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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: {Lance} on December 29, 2015, 02:22:06 AM
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Let the hilarity commence. He was hackin in a smurf and forgot to turn them off is my guess.
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Fail...
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Always told it.
But the frenchman is just dumb.
Here your super hero hahahaha
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hilarity commence
He just doesnt care about it.
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Always told it.
But the frenchman is just dumb.
Here your super hero hahahaha
you have not yet accepted his challenge? He logged on with antihack patch as promised. All is fair, man!
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Always told it.
But the frenchman is just dumb.
Here your super hero hahahaha
You're still dumb, and you're still a hacker too
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The truth about swift is pretty easy..
The dude never do 1v1 without joe and jordan as watcher... if joe and jordan are afk he will just talk on channell all day long untill they came..
Then when joe and jordan are there he will accepte 1v1..
The truth is, this is way much more easy to get tip by jordan and joe instead to hack and get caught.
but if he start lose even with the tip, then he will start to map hack your ass.
Because that dude just cant accepte peoples beat him.
Swift is a pure lie from the start.
And you have these retards admins who push him everywhere as the best player ever.
What a fucking stupid shame.
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If this is true I would just give him a warning. Idk this guy but we don't have many players left.
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wow fucking ban this dumb trash.
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Ddnt u photoshop this ?
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its not photo shopped but i do believe we should find out from iL if its a false positive or not before starting a witch hunt
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take something from iL good one..
hes gonna keep the hacker lightbringer and kick Tk one of the best admin all time.
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Ah well, this never gets tired...
Im not sure why we got this anti hack anyway.
People get caught after caught and never gets banned its so frustrating.
Swift got caught so many times in the past, nothing ever happend because hes a good talker and admins got no guts to ban him.
Martin-18 is prolly the biggest hacker, but is online 24/7.
If theres 1 reason why this game dies and people losing spirit , thats maybe one of it.
I was done for a few months playin some diablo3 now im back, but nothing changed.
Get the guts and ban the hacking people ... at least ban the people which had plenty of chances. Im not tellin anyone to ban some1 who got caught once.
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Ah well, this never gets tired...
Im not sure why we got this anti hack anyway.
People get caught after caught and never gets banned its so frustrating.
Swift got caught so many times in the past, nothing ever happend because hes a good talker and admins got no guts to ban him.
Martin-18 is prolly the biggest hacker, but is online 24/7.
If theres 1 reason why this game dies and people losing spirit , thats maybe one of it.
I was done for a few months playin some diablo3 now im back, but nothing changed.
Get the guts and ban the hacking people ... at least ban the people which had plenty of chances. Im not tellin anyone to ban some1 who got caught once.
dude they dont fucking cares about hacking, iL is probably a hacker himself, russia is know as the most hacking country of the world no matter what, they live with hacks all day long dude.
Its not about warcraft II, it's about everything, do you think he cares about hacking?? Really??
He fucking kick off tk out of the staff to keep lightbringer, and lightbringer is a fucking hacker like swift dude.
You guys are all blind and idiots and live into your little dream.
Blid is now The CHAIRMAN!!! is that a joke??? moustopher and burnt disapear?? Who is really surprise???? tora and smeagole are admins??? OMG lol.... at least props to tora,, i just think he did that on the wrong time with the wrong tools. But still much respect.
the thing is your really all blind for years now... we can have way much better but we all losing our time whit that stupid lazy none smart staff..
You guys are really wasting your life for a dumb cheating lie game for years now.
your probably all 30 years old, and still playing this wasted server for what? Hope it's just for fun... but if fun is staying all day long on my computer for that liying server.... thats not for me anymore.
All the war2RU server is build on lies.
War2Ru Story mean nothing, fucking realize it.
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ToRa says he was trolling .. but he's one of the people i notice have AH on sometimes, and "none" other times.
idfk
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Ddnt u photoshop this ?
No he didn't, I saw it myself also last night. And I also took an SS.
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in that case not nice swift :)
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wow fucking ban this dumb trash.
lol
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If this is true I would just give him a warning. Idk this guy but we don't have many players left.
lol
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He uses the "trolling" excuse every time he's caught. It never gets old if u ask me. I like watching him come up with the most rediculous lies that people just clammer over to accept as actual truth. It's amusing how much wool he has packed away in that studio apartment. He is like mage, sometimes he has the AH on, sometimes he doesnt with no real rhyme or reason other than the players that are on currently at the time, thats the only thing I've noticed anyway as a semi-constant. Just last week Mage went on a superior meltdown because I asked why he didnt have the AH running. Its a touchy subject for mage and we'll soon see how swiftbags reacts. But I need to go buy some popcorn first, this should get good.
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I really havent been around very long so I cant speak about swift past history.
However i will say it does seems kind of suspicious that he sometimes plays with AH on and sometimes with AH off.
I will say that in this circumstance that I believe he is in fact trolling. The guy likes to stir up controversy. Why else would he purposely sit in the channel with his hacks on.
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The truth about swift is pretty easy..
The dude never do 1v1 without joe and jordan as watcher... if joe and jordan are afk he will just talk on channell all day long untill they came..
Then when joe and jordan are there he will accepte 1v1..
The truth is, this is way much more easy to get tip by jordan and joe instead to hack and get caught.
but if he start lose even with the tip, then he will start to map hack your ass.
Because that dude just cant accepte peoples beat him.
Swift is a pure lie from the start.
And you have these retards admins who push him everywhere as the best player ever.
What a fucking stupid shame.
Equinox you are retarded lol. You keep trying to rope me into this by insinuating I tip. Anyone who knows me knows I'm completely against any type of foul play. I've banned watchers or killed them if they even rep me a little. Just because you are somehow mad at me months later because I beat you easily doesn't mean you need to keep trying to drag me into this. Don't forget that the 1s we played, I let no one watch because you were paranoid about it.
Anyway, I'm glad that I occupy space in your everyday thought. Rest assured that I don't fault you for your personality defects. GGs
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Hes totally trolling nothing, that dude used to hack all is stupid life to feed his egocentric side and use the troll excuse everytime he got caught.
That dude is build on lies.
The staff is build on lies too, lightbringer is a hacker, blid is only interess by money, moustopher is a lazy person, iL is the secret keeper, that dude protect everyone who seem to cheat hack and get rid of the good peoples.
That server is build on lies.
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The truth about swift is pretty easy..
The dude never do 1v1 without joe and jordan as watcher... if joe and jordan are afk he will just talk on channell all day long untill they came..
Then when joe and jordan are there he will accepte 1v1..
The truth is, this is way much more easy to get tip by jordan and joe instead to hack and get caught.
but if he start lose even with the tip, then he will start to map hack your ass.
Because that dude just cant accepte peoples beat him.
Swift is a pure lie from the start.
And you have these retards admins who push him everywhere as the best player ever.
What a fucking stupid shame.
Equinox you are retarded lol. You keep trying to rope me into this by insinuating I tip. Anyone who knows me knows I'm completely against any type of foul play. I've banned watchers or killed them if they even rep me a little. Just because you are somehow mad at me months later because I beat you easily doesn't mean you need to keep trying to drag me into this. Don't forget that the 1s we played, I let no one watch because you were paranoid about it.
Anyway, I'm glad that I occupy space in your everyday thought. Rest assured that I don't fault you for your personality defects. GGs
Youve always been a cheater and a tipper, probably a hacker too.
The only thing right here is that dude get caught multiple time and you keep hanging with him??
How so?? How the hell are you brotha with him like 2 nuts on a ball sack after all the times he get caught?? you probably hack too.
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God swift is probably following this thread right now and laughing his ass off....
I wish i was on last night when this all happened wouldve been ended quickly and painlessly....
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Even if the idiot was trolling by turning his hacks on, ban him for a week for stupidity. Admins just shield hackers. It's pathetic. He clearly hacked(unless iL's top secret algorithm is flawed), now ban the dumbass for a week and put a end to it already.
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I should right....
The truth is there isnt really a set procedure for how to deal with people caught on the anti hack yet.
The way i have recently started dealing with this, is first msging the person in question and seeing whats going on. If they dont respond I simply ban their ip for 3 days.
If they do responde i give them a warning.
The reason why I am farily reluctant to ban swift is because he wasn't actually caught hacking in a game. He was just hanging in the channel it seems and wanted to screw around.
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I really havent been around very long so I cant speak about swift past history.
However i will say it does seems kind of suspicious that he sometimes plays with AH on and sometimes with AH off.
I will say that in this circumstance that I believe he is in fact trolling. The guy likes to stir up controversy. Why else would he purposely sit in the channel with his hacks on.
Like I said before there is 1 simple explanation for the idling. He was hacking on a smurf, then when done, he logged out/in as himself and forgot to disable the spell/build hack which is persistent unlike the maphack which has to be enabled every time.
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The way i have recently started dealing with this, is first msging the person in question and seeing whats going on. If they dont respond I simply ban their ip for 3 days.
If they do responde i give them a warning.
The reason why I am farily reluctant to ban swift is because he wasn't actually caught hacking in a game. He was just hanging in the channel it seems and wanted to screw around.
Lol is that iL 2.0???
all this staff are total joke.
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First off, I am not going to waste a lot of time in this thread. I am going to speak up on the matter and kind of just leave everyone else to think what they will past that. And yes, everything I say will be truth even though I understand that everyone who reads this has good reason to doubt my integrity on this matter, or frankly any. That being said, I don't really care that much about this issue and also it's not like I have much of a reputation to protect anyhow. I am going to post this, reply a bit to some of you guys, but overall I am just going to continue living my life and enjoying some war2 games casually.
So here it is,
I don't have any hacks, and I haven't in some years whatsoever. It seems people are already coming up with excuses for me on this matter. And yes, it would be easier to just say it was a troll. Most likely a lot of you would believe that reason given my past, and the admins would probably slap me with a warning or a short ban. However, I would be lacking foresight if I tried to take the easy way out. I didn't hack and I wasn't trolling. I was wanting to play War2 last night, but it also just so happened that I wan't feeling the best due to the flu. I elected to just turn off the monitor and hit the sack early. This left me afk in the channel overnight, assuming my connection held up.
This was either a system error, or I was framed somehow. I am strongly leaning towards the latter given that a minority of people, and no household names, have been "caught" on AH. It would be a fairly large coincidences to say that "Swift" got a false positive due to an error and not intentional foul play.
I'll reply to some questions or concerns in this thread if they're addressed in a respectful manner. I won't be responding or reading anything that comes from Equinox or Lance. Equinox is a crazed and obnoxious individual who lacks the ability to reason soundly. Given his obsessive campaign against the .ru administration and cheating over 2015 It is safe to say that this thread is the highlight of his entire year. I don't mean for that to be insulting, I am just wanting to note that he will most likely come at this with a huge bias. Lance, well I suspect him of foul play on this matter. You see, I found out about this thread about thirty minutes ago. TK texted me this morning 6:45ish western time calling me a hacker, and I responded asking if he got smurfed by someone he thought to be me. He responded "huh" and the conversation basically died off there. I didn't think much of it and went on about my day. Around 5, I logged onto war2 and 00Joe logged on shortly after. He started talking to me about "hack trolling" and I instantly put the dots together that something must have happened and TK wasn't just being strange. Joe assumed that I was just trolling and I had to tell him that I didn't hack or smurf and that it's offensive he assumes every smurf is me, and that I would like him to fill me in on whats going on so he told me to go read the thread. Of course, now I can see why he assumed it was a troll matter. At first I assumed the issue revolved around a smurf, but instead, as we all know, it revolves around AH.
On my way to this site to view the thread I was pondering that it was probably a frame job and I instantly thought to myself "It would most likely be Claw, Lance or tupac" and sure enough....
Let me tell you, I wasn't surprised in the least that it was "Lance" who started this thread. The guy is a renowned programmer/hacker who also happens to have a grudge against me dating back to when I caught him via ss with an invisible peon in a plains of snow game back in 2008.
Also, I need to apologize to smeagol. I must admit, that I assumed it wasn't a false positive situation. Now I know that it's entirely likely.
I am basically concluding it was a frame job on my end, and that whoever did it is a sociopath and a coward. He wins some weird battle via way of personal amusement here, but just the fact that hes able to go to this length on things is evidence, to me at least, that hes a miserable fuck and his life is a lost cause.
I invite all admins to share any and all smurfs associated with my IP.
I'll take ss anytime. I'll warvid anytime.
And if enough people want it, hell even a few, I'll begin streaming on 5-10 min delays from here on out every single game.
Anyway, I saw this one coming. After I heard about the Smeagol thing I knew that IF he was in fact framed then someone like me would be the next best candidate to fuck with next. I set up AH a few days ago to appease ~ToRa~ for his tournaments, and thought instantly in the moment that there's a chance I am setting myself up to getting framed.
But anyway, listen guys all I can do is tell you that what I am saying is 100% truth and I know that you're free to believe what you want. You all have good reasons to seriously doubt me, given my history of trying to pull the strings for years with my bullshit, lies, and trolls. That being said, I am going to not really take this whole matter to heart, as luckily it's only War2, and it's not like I am getting framed on something of importance.
I'll be a good sport and leave AH on, even though I know now without a shadow of a doubt that it either has errors or is susceptible to third party tampering, or both. See you all on the game!
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maybe claw framed him.
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Has iL checked the logs?
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maybe claw framed him.
Like claw framed smeagol, it's always claw. [emoji23]
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First off, I am not going to waste a lot of time in this thread. I am going to speak up on the matter and kind of just leave everyone else to think what they will past that. And yes, everything I say will be truth even though I understand that everyone who reads this has good reason to doubt my integrity on this matter, or frankly any. That being said, I don't really care that much about this issue and also it's not like I have much of a reputation to protect anyhow. I am going to post this, reply a bit to some of you guys, but overall I am just going to continue living my life and enjoying some war2 games casually.
So here it is,
I don't have any hacks, and I haven't in some years whatsoever. It seems people are already coming up with excuses for me on this matter. And yes, it would be easier to just say it was a troll. Most likely a lot of you would believe that reason given my past, and the admins would probably slap me with a warning or a short ban. However, I would be lacking foresight if I tried to take the easy way out. I didn't hack and I wasn't trolling. I was wanting to play War2 last night, but it also just so happened that I wan't feeling the best due to the flu. I elected to just turn off the monitor and hit the sack early. This left me afk in the channel overnight, assuming my connection held up.
This was either a system error, or I was framed somehow. I am strongly leaning towards the latter given that a minority of people, and no household names, have been "caught" on AH. It would be a fairly large coincidences to say that "Swift" got a false positive due to an error and not intentional foul play.
I'll reply to some questions or concerns in this thread if they're addressed in a respectful manner. I won't be responding or reading anything that comes from Equinox or Lance. Equinox is a crazed and obnoxious individual who lacks the ability to reason soundly. Given his obsessive campaign against the .ru administration and cheating over 2015 It is safe to say that this thread is the highlight of his entire year. I don't mean for that to be insulting, I am just wanting to note that he will most likely come at this with a huge bias. Lance, well I suspect him of foul play on this matter. You see, I found out about this thread about thirty minutes ago. TK texted me this morning 6:45ish western time calling me a hacker, and I responded asking if he got smurfed by someone he thought to be me. He responded "huh" and the conversation basically died off there. I didn't think much of it and went on about my day. Around 5, I logged onto war2 and 00Joe logged on shortly after. He started talking to me about "hack trolling" and I instantly put the dots together that something must have happened and TK wasn't just being strange. Joe assumed that I was just trolling and I had to tell him that I didn't hack or smurf and that it's offensive he assumes every smurf is me, and that I would like him to fill me in on whats going on so he told me to go read the thread. Of course, now I can see why he assumed it was a troll matter. At first I assumed the issue revolved around a smurf, but instead, as we all know, it revolves around AH.
On my way to this site to view the thread I was pondering that it was probably a frame job and I instantly thought to myself "It would most likely be Claw, Lance or tupac" and sure enough....
Let me tell you, I wasn't surprised in the least that it was "Lance" who started this thread. The guy is a renowned programmer/hacker who also happens to have a grudge against me dating back to when I caught him via ss with an invisible peon in a plains of snow game back in 2008.
Also, I need to apologize to smeagol. I must admit, that I assumed it wasn't a false positive situation. Now I know that it's entirely likely.
I am basically concluding it was a frame job on my end, and that whoever did it is a sociopath and a coward. He wins some weird battle via way of personal amusement here, but just the fact that hes able to go to this length on things is evidence, to me at least, that hes a miserable fuck and his life is a lost cause.
I invite all admins to share any and all smurfs associated with my IP.
I'll take ss anytime. I'll warvid anytime.
And if enough people want it, hell even a few, I'll begin streaming on 5-10 min delays from here on out every single game.
Anyway, I saw this one coming. After I heard about the Smeagol thing I knew that IF he was in fact framed then someone like me would be the next best candidate to fuck with next. I set up AH a few days ago to appease ~ToRa~ for his tournaments, and thought instantly in the moment that there's a chance I am setting myself up to getting framed.
But anyway, listen guys all I can do is tell you that what I am saying is 100% truth and I know that you're free to believe what you want. You all have good reasons to seriously doubt me, given my history of trying to pull the strings for years with my bullshit, lies, and trolls. That being said, I am going to not really take this whole matter to heart, as luckily it's only War2, and it's not like I am getting framed on something of importance.
I'll be a good sport and leave AH on, even though I know now without a shadow of a doubt that it either has errors or is susceptible to third party tampering, or both. See you all on the game!
What a trash Lolllllllllllllllllll
LIFEBAN!!!!!
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You know I just caught someone else hacking on the server, and yet I don't see a new thread with people gearing up to troll against this individual.
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You know I just caught someone else hacking on the server, and yet I don't see a new thread with people gearing up to troll against this individual.
Maybe he dont flag himself as the best player of the world, own all the tournament since ten years and keep getting caught multiples times since 10 years.
Nobody fucking cares about dellam and smeagole who hacks, we want to caught the real hacker and punishe them HARD as exemple.
But since your staff is full of retard you guys just gonna keep put pression on dellam and make all of US believe you guys actually do something against hacks.
Fuck off.
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Without taking sides on whether he was framed or hacking or just a false positive,
Anyone else find it unusual that Lance took the screenshot 3 SECONDS after it went from AH to HACK! ??
Its like he was sitting there waiting for it to happen
... or maybe just another incredible coincidence
Did Lance write the AH php script or does he have access to it?
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Without taking sides on whether he was framed or hacking or just a false positive,
Anyone else find it unusual that Lance took the screenshot 3 SECONDS after it went from AH to HACK! ??
Its like he was sitting there waiting for it to happen
... or maybe just another incredible coincidence
Did Lance write this script or have access to it?
That's what i was just talking nice catch! I hope he didn't but its possible if he had access to the new loader and ran code on our pcs he could of made a command to execute a known hack on our pcs... example /hacker tupac ban im hacker now....
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Without taking sides on whether he was framed or hacking or just a false positive,
Anyone else find it unusual that Lance took the screenshot 3 SECONDS after it went from AH to HACK! ??
Its like he was sitting there waiting for it to happen
... or maybe just another incredible coincidence
Did Lance write the AH php script or does he have access to it?
Actually if lance is like me he will always let open that anti hack list no matter what, it give opportunity to caught hacker but also give you opportunity to see whos playing or join the game while we do other thing..
How i see that is lance was playing heartstone and was alt tabbing to see if someone else log for playing when he caught that dumb fucker.
Nothing strange here, was pretty sure he will get caught a good day.
He deny that anti hack for six month and 1 week after install that anti hack he get caught, let me LAUGH LOL
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Anyone else watching server status right now?
Looks like a massive flood going on with 100s garbage usernames in 100s of garbage channels
Also i just watched DDefenderr go from AH to HACK! at the same time im watching this flood ramping up
Then DDefender back to AH a min later (false positive?)
{Lance} and tupac are both on right now
Weird stuff lol
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Hasn't been a fun night to say the least.
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Anyone else watching server status right now?
Looks like a massive flood going on with 100s garbage usernames in 100s of garbage channels
Also i just watched DDefenderr go from AH to HACK! at the same time im watching this flood ramping up
Then DDefender back to AH a min later (false positive?)
{Lance} and tupac are both on right now
Weird stuff lol
Should be good now, my bots did get them all. An admin will have to ipban them off the server thought.
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I think it's Archer thought. I don't think anyone else plays with flood bots on here like he does.
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Hm guess he gave up [emoji14], they logged off server.
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All the bots have differt ips however I did catch this guy
Both names appear to be the same person and after i banned his ip the bots stopped.
But then who knows for sure. All i do know for sure is that whoever did it really has no life.
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Word, send me a PM if he's back.
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Kyle just started using the AH a week ago? Really? No wonder he got caught. He's not use to how it works yet I guess :/ iL will be able to determine what the issue is easily with the logs. He seems to be a bit MIA at the moment. The hilarity looms large though :D It's amazing what a simple SS can do lmao. Poor old Kyle was having a complete nuclear meltdown in chat tonight, that was rather humorous.
BTW, just take a look at the SS and pick someone who was on and ask them what was being said. There were LOTS of people saying "Someone should post a SS of it in the forums". Ogremage, Deathknight, VietPro, Slick, Koin, etc. We were ALL playing games for hours and people were talking about the status page all night. I waited patiently to see if someone would do it, no one did, so I did it myself. Theres nothing suspicious in the least about it. Either he hacked, or theres a problem with the AH. I'm leaning more towards the scenario of kyle not being familiar with how things work and got messed up when switching accounts after hacking on a smurf (what? swift smurfs?! no way! LFMAO, probably one of the biggest smurfs out there except for blid ;), so it's not exactly uncommon for him to be smurfing to begin with, it seems to fit). That's the only explanation I can come up with that makes any sense at all. He probably was smurfing with the AH OFF of course, and then switched to his own name and then went to bed. That's how I see things.
Until iL pipes in with the exact memory locations and values that were being reported, all we can go on is speculation. But thats the fun part :D I'm betting that it was a spell or build hack location since those are persistent unlike the map hack location/values. They persist across war2 reloads.
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Thank you for blocking us. We were not hacking. We were playing against each other.
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Just checked logs.
However, that looks like a false positive, so i'm sorry.
Let me explain:
How my antihack works:
It reads the memory values known as used by hacks from war2 memory. Then it sends that values to the server. And then the server compares that values to "known clean war2 values" and reports HACK if differs.
For map hack known "clean" value = XX. "Hack" value = 00.
That's why when i see value 00 from someone i can definitely say that he activated maphack. When i see XX i can definitely say that maphack is not being activated for him.
But what if value changes from XX to anything else, like 02? I have no idea if the map will be open (as in maphack) or ok (as usual), but that definitely means something strange happens. Normally that value is ALWAYS XX. That's why that will also be reported as HACK.
Another question is, what happens if reading the memory value will cause error for some reason? I've been so stupid that i didn't check that properly until last update.
Technically, value possibly be sent to the server then is not defined, but that should be 00 most likely.
I still don't understand how that can happen that defined and existing memory data in existing process can be checked most of the time, but not in several moments.
But I added that check to new version, just to be sure, marking failed-reading values as UNDEFINED.
And now what i can see in server logs:
These are several akas being marked as "HACK!":
- thaydrad:
map value: XX changed to YY and then changed back to XX.
other values also have been also changed to YY and then back to proper values.
YY is not any of known hacking values.
No idea what that can mean, but that's not kell-known hacks.
- 8472:
values have been clean most time. But sometimes changes to UNDEFINED.
- 00Kyle:
values have been ok at the beginning. But then they have been changed to UNDEFINED. After that they all have been changed to 00. And then to UNDEFINED again, many times.
00 means hack for maphack, but not for other hacks. So, 00 for all values could mean something else than hacking. No idea what exactly.
- Miron:
All values changed to UNDEFINED also.
Returning to the past:
xXxSmeagolxXx used previous version and i rechecked now:
All values have been changed from ok to 00. That could mean hack for maphack, but other values should be different.
I think that means antihack have not been able to read his memory values properly for some reason and then sent 00 instead. I classified that as hack. And i think i was wrong.
So i think that was false positive with xXxSmeagolxXx also.
I'm sorry again.
My future plans:
1. the problem in loader have been fixed. So, no more false positives. There are some more problems (not related to false positives) i plan to fix soon, so several new versions should be released.
2. my idea to consider any non-proper value as hack have been bad. I think 3 states should be shown: definite OK, definite HACK and undefined.
3. my idea to keep everything secret have been failed also. I have to discover at least several basic concepts about antihack and it's logic. Such discovering could cause the rish of hacking the antihack, but i can't keep everything secret anymore.
4. i still plan to rewrite the backend of server side from scratch to handle input data more careful. So, i'll consider these new conditions also.
I'm sorry again, but antihack project is still in testing stage. So, some bugs in code and in concept appeared in real environment only.
I'll make efforts to never repeat such situations.
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Just checked logs.
However, that looks like a false positive, so i'm sorry.
Let me explain:
How my antihack works:
It reads the memory values known as used by hacks from war2 memory. Then it sends that values to the server. And then the server compares that values to "known clean war2 values" and reports HACK if differs.
For map hack known "clean" value = XX. "Hack" value = 00.
That's why when i see value 00 from someone i can definitely say that he activated maphack. When i see XX i can definitely say that maphack is not being activated for him.
But what if value changes from XX to anything else, like 02? I have no idea if the map will be open (as in maphack) or ok (as usual), but that definitely means something strange happens. Normally that value is ALWAYS XX. That's why that will also be reported as HACK.
Another question is, what happens if reading the memory value will cause error for some reason? I've been so stupid that i didn't check that properly until last update.
Technically, value possibly be sent to the server then is not defined, but that should be 00 most likely.
I still don't understand how that can happen that defined and existing memory data in existing process can be checked most of the time, but not in several moments.
But I added that check to new version, just to be sure, marking failed-reading values as UNDEFINED.
And now what i can see in server logs:
These are several akas being marked as "HACK!":
- thaydrad:
map value: XX changed to YY and then changed back to XX.
other values also have been also changed to YY and then back to proper values.
YY is not any of known hacking values.
No idea what that can mean, but that's not kell-known hacks.
- 8472:
values have been clean most time. But sometimes changes to UNDEFINED.
- 00Kyle:
values have been ok at the beginning. But then they have been changed to UNDEFINED. After that they all have been changed to 00. And then to UNDEFINED again, many times.
00 means hack for maphack, but not for other hacks. So, 00 for all values could mean something else than hacking. No idea what exactly.
- Miron:
All values changed to UNDEFINED also.
Returning to the past:
xXxSmeagolxXx used previous version and i rechecked now:
All values have been changed from ok to 00. That could mean hack for maphack, but other values should be different.
I think that means antihack have not been able to read his memory values properly for some reason and then sent 00 instead. I classified that as hack. And i think i was wrong.
So i think that was false positive with xXxSmeagolxXx also.
I'm sorry again.
My future plans:
1. the problem in loader have been fixed. So, no more false positives. There are some more problems (not related to false positives) i plan to fix soon, so several new versions should be released.
2. my idea to consider any non-proper value as hack have been bad. I think 3 states should be shown: definite OK, definite HACK and undefined.
3. my idea to keep everything secret have been failed also. I have to discover at least several basic concepts about antihack and it's logic. Such discovering could cause the rish of hacking the antihack, but i can't keep everything secret anymore.
4. i still plan to rewrite the backend of server side from scratch to handle input data more careful. So, i'll consider these new conditions also.
I'm sorry again, but antihack project is still in testing stage. So, some bugs in code and in concept appeared in real environment only.
I'll make efforts to never repeat such situations.
Did you just admit that your anti hack used to the be just crap?
Just wondering why always the same people which have had a hacking history get caught again and no1 else.
Just wondering why no1 else like Joe, Cola, Lego, Braviet, Jesk, Alf.... ect..people which used anti hack daily but never had the same issue. Always gets the same people we talk about.
But again its the wrong script and not the player :)
When Martin-18 got caught, he didnt get the ban.
Obvious it was his brother or his cousin who played on his name, no ban.
ZZzzZZzzZ
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I've probably banned martin18 100 times since I've become admin. The problem is the guy plays on proxies and thus is able to circumvent any ban we give him .
Which is why ive left him alone for now. At least if u see martin18 join a game u know he is a known hacker. And not just some random smurf
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yeah I've also banned martin18 a couple dozen times. i'm shocked there's so many proxies out there he can play from?? the martin18/dellam issue is definitely one that needs to be solved by a hardware ban. until then just know we are banning their IPs but if you see martin-18 online that he's a hacker.
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..i'm shocked there's so many proxies out there he can play from?? ...
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It shouldn't shock you.
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I like playing Martin-18. he doesn't even try to hide the hacks (especially if there's no watchers). Him blatantly hacking improves my game imo.
he's got me 3-2 but those 2 wins were damn hard to do and required an insane amount of scouting and unit control.
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How ironic. The only one that seems to actually look like a real possible hack is the 00Kyle username (dont get your panties in a wad kyle, there is still no timestamp for the detected values yet, so its still uncertain at this point, but if it turns out these were during chat time, then that is a major bug and this thread would be well worth the effort to fix such a bug). That looks to me a lot like toggling with a game trainer (artmoney for example).
Here is a question. Have you tried to actually test the values you are receiving while in a game to see what they do? Also, you should NEVER be checking values of someone that is in chat (00Kyle for example, while his values look the most suspicious, we all saw him idle in chat, so a timestamp for the detected values is necessary to see if it was during a game or not). Sitting idle in chat will almost certainly result in bizarre values as war2 does it's housework and clears values periodically, checks statuses of servers, ping, video, etc.
Another question. Are you timestamping these detections at all? Like can you crosscheck the timestamp to see if that person is in a Game log anywhere? Maybe ask the people that were in that game if anything suspicious seemed to be happening?
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iL, thanks for semi-clearing this up for me.
However, I am going to maintain that I highly suspect Lance of triggering the false positive. I find it very suspicious that Lance was one the first on the scene, and the one to make the thread. Of the people who were on that night, many told me it was Lance who brought it to their attention. The part that gets me though is how much of a personal interest he has taken in this. He's the only one really seems to care much. He made sure a handful of people on the server aware of the "Hack!" and he also made this thread, and already began making up potential narratives to feed peoples minds as to how it could have went down, and he also was on the server privately messaging people to try to convince them that it was definitely legitimate and that I was hacking. Taking his immediate campaigning into account and given Lance's lack of character, his personal issues with me dating back to when I caught him, and the fact that hes renowned for programming and messing with the server in way or another over the years (it's a fact that he was ddosing players like the_g0d and I at one point, btw, he made no point to hide it) - I think its fair to at least raise an eyebrow in suspicion.
Also - iL & Blid please speak on this. ~ToRa~ told me that it wasn't a false positive with xxxsmeagolxxx and that he had hacks on in the channel? He also implied other adminstration knows about it as well?
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If you read my post swifty, you'll see that checking values during chat is an unrecommended method since it would indeed result in bad values. That's why I've asked to see if he's been timestamping them. There is absolutely no reason to be checking during chat. If yours were during chat, then why not accept it as having helped? As for msging people, you're just making things up on that one. The only people I even spoke to were 00Joe and Tora. Joe will tell you everything I told him, and he'll tell you that everything I just said in my posts all jive with what I was telling him. The fact that it's all speculation until hard evidence can be found to detract it. If however these things are happening DURING games, then I think the likelyhood of "false positives" just took a huge nose dive and are very likely iL's non-understanding of just what types of hacks are possible and what they would do to memory locations/values. It's at that point that he should seek either myself or Tupac's help in deciphering the results which he may very well be doing now as we speak.
I think 1 addition to the UI of the Status page that is missing is a Timestamp field. The *Hack* always staying on is GOOD, but it's completely useless without a timestamp to go along with it. Even a link to the Game log would be nice.
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Backtrack in whichever manner you may like. Finally throwing in a few areas of saving grace for me in your posts now that it looks like iL is going to rule it a false positive. It was not so earlier. You've the only one who took a personal interest in this and you even went so far as to campaign against me with random narratives you made up to act as possibilities. Nothing you say matters to me, I am 99% sure you're involved and I am certainly not the only one who is suspicious.
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Just ask Joe and Tora what I said. I've said, and maintain still, that it's speculation until proven otherwise. If these are happening during a game, you're probably not going to like the outcome however. I just hope for your sake that these all happen during chat. If thats the case (which it should never have been to begin with), then this is a bug that needs fixing. See unlike you I see this as a debugging process. You view it as some sort of personal crusade. I knew you would which is why I mentioned that hilarity would ensue after I posted it. You delivered in every way possible, even exceeding my own expectations by trying to say I somehow had something to do with it. That was like one of the "cool scenes" in a movie hahaha. That was especially hilarious :) I had to go back to walmart to get more popcorn because it's a pretty cool movie :D
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I still don't understand how that can happen that defined and existing memory data in existing process can be checked most of the time, but not in several moments.
There is actually an explanation for this. If a game trainer is active, it can and will lock access to specific memory locations (or even all locations an entire process). ArtMoney (as do most other trainers) has a "Lock value" feature for example that will do just that. So this happening is not surprising to me. You should never run into issues reading memory addresses UNLESS something is blocking it, and if thats the case, then you should sound all the whistles.
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I am aware that you talked to those two, but I also have other sources. Joe's story differs from the one you're saying, and he's a pretty stand up guy with about his only mark against him being that he associates with me, so I'll definitely believe him over you. He'll most likely chime in and reply to you though, so we'll hear the truth, over your bullshit, if he does. At the end of the day though, how could I believe you over anyone or let alone believe you in anything?
Just for anyone who doesn't really know the lengths to which lance lies, please read this thread in which he gets undeniably caught hacking within the middle of the thread:
http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12480&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=kypkahn&start=0 (http://war2.warcraft.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12480&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=kypkahn&start=0)
There's a lot of threads where people get owned out there. But this one is unique in that, you never see someone get caught in their bullshit so red handed like in this thread with Lance. Also, you really get to see what lengths this guy will go to with his lies. It's not just "No I didn't hack, or bla bla bla" he's really coming up with immense fabrications and altering each little detail of the story. Anyone who reads that thread will never trust anything you ever say for the rest of your life, don't ever show it your girlfriend, friends or family.
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Like I said, you're on a personal crusade. I'm simply debugging and having fun with it. If there is anyone thats easy to stir up. It's you :D If you are hackin though, it would be more helpful to just admit it so that we can use this as knowledge to help catch others as well and to validate the AH as actually working. This is exactly what the AH needs, scrutiny in order to make it better and who else better to validate it than swift? What we dont need are excuses to call it unreliable and useless and then never use it so that you can go back to your old ways. I rather liked your own stream every single game idea. You should think about doing that until things clear up. If the strange detected values strangely stop while you're streaming. Well then, I guess anyone could read between the lines. If they DONT, then we'll have video freaking evidence that would be INVALUABLE in debugging :) I'm curious to see if these strange values suddenly stop. It is rather odd that it's only certain people that seem to have this happen consistently. This is the first time I've seen your name pop up specifically but that probably only because you've just recently started using it. Hopefully its a 1 time event that never re-occurs because the true goal of the AH IS NOT TO CATCH PEOPLE, it's to DETER people from hacking in the first place. If it does that, then it's done its job even if it never catches anyone from now on.
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If the strange detected values strangely stop while you're streaming. Well then, I guess anyone could read between the lines.
You must think me to be dumb lmfao
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I still don't understand how that can happen that defined and existing memory data in existing process can be checked most of the time, but not in several moments.
There is actually an explanation for this. If a game trainer is active, it can and will lock access to specific memory locations (or even all locations an entire process). ArtMoney (as do most other trainers) has a "Lock value" feature for example that will do just that. So this happening is not surprising to me. You should never run into issues reading memory addresses UNLESS something is blocking it, and if thats the case, then you should sound all the whistles.
True the locking feature Doesn't work like it's name is. It's just a rewrite multiple time over a memory location. Which the game will always process faster. So freeze a value to 0 would work but when it changes it still exposes that change to 1 or whatever it was before its set back to 0. So reading the values would still be effective even if trainer.
Also yes we do what to check in chat for hacks. Especially for the nasty hacks I made awhile ago. Game jammer, host hack, etc.
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Those are not done while in chat, they are done while joining a game which is the same as being in a game. They still require you to be in the game lobby (different than being in the chat). What hacks are there that can be utilized while in the chat itself? None that I'm aware of that couldnt be replicated with a bot. If it can be replicated with a bot, then there is no point in trying to defend against those with the AH.
As for the locking mechanism, you may be thinking of Cheat Engine which does overwrite memory locations. The paid version of ArtMoney as far as I can tell does indeed lock locations rather than overwrite. Or perhaps it's just a better implementation of overwriting, I have not looked into it that much as I had no need to. I've used it to lock war2 in a specific state by locking ALL the locations. Literally the game froze, absolutely nothing would work, not even screen re-writes, so the screen would be completely black. Thats how I created the minimap hack by stepping through every single click very very slowly. If however iL is seeing problems accessing certain memory locations, that is cause for concern. Either his method for reading locations is wrong or there is something 3rd party locking it such as a trainer. There shouldnt be any reason that he has issues reading memory locations at all. Well, at least LEGIT reasons that is. There could be other reasons that will cause it, all of which are probably signs of being up to no good. I know for a fact that War2 is not the one doing it since it also has memory checking code itself so it would make no sense to lock anything (its just not in use atm, which I hope to see changed soon with packet 17 once iL has a chance to get my implementation running, its a work in progress on his end atm).
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I don't really care for your little thread but let me clear something up for you guys. Swift is a terrible person, he does not troll he just a pure narcissist like Equinox. They are both miserable people that could probably live a wonderful gay life together if they were both gay. Swift can speculate I hack all he wants, or listen to Tora, Blid, Mouse don't care he can contact them all I have not hacked since 2005 and Swift has. This thread is funny how people take this shit so serious, they troll and discuss crap like they mean something. I suggest you guys go back to playing and stop the passionate discussion about the anti hack because it is broken and always was.
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So you're not interested in debugging things? You'd rather keep it in a supposed "broken" state so that it cant be used against anyone? Mmm, idk, thats kind of backwards thinking wouldnt you say? Why would anyone want to just throw it out and dismiss it. This is the type of app war2 has needed for many years. Anyone against it, well, they should probably be scrutinized pretty thoroughly :) If anyone would want it fixed, I would think that it would be the people it says are hacking. That cant be done without threads like this that push for improvement. I'm more interested in finding out if results are accurate or not and if they are not, how to improve it such that it IS accurate. I just look at it differently than you and swift because it doesnt seem to affect anyone other than certain people and we need to find out why that is. Either confirm that something odd is going on or fix a bug that causes false positives. It's not like it's saying EVERYONE is hacking. It's a very select few, almost ALWAYS noobs, and every once in a great while, it catches someone known which seems to be very rare. That to me would fall right in line with proof rather than false positives because if anyone is hacking, I'd expect the newbies to be doing it rather than well known people and that is exactly what we are seeing with the AH results.
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Well I have hacked in 2005 as my whole team had "defense hacks" because hacking in PBall was very common at the time. Lance I could care less about your little GOW games, BNE games, or computer wars. The anti hack working the only thing in matters to me that it does is my tournaments. Everyone knows Swift hacks it's not hard to figure out. He has yamon and whoever else vis him while he beat players with a far better mental and physical game than him. Anyway I'm logging off her I'm busy today. Take care Lance good seeing you, say hi to your wife for me(this is a joke but not disrespect).
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Everyone knows Swift hacks
To the contrary I was not one of those, but I do have some doubts now. He has hacked in the past (like I have myself), that is what everyone knows. But does he still hack, that is what I'd like to find out (as would everyone else probably). Until I posted that SS, I had no real reason to believe he was still doing it. I did find it odd that he didnt use the AH but didnt really think much of it until this issue came up. Mage is another one that I think is now clean as long as he's using the AH. He does have a habit of using it and then not using that is rather alarming though. But as long as it's on, I assume everyone is clean. I dont even bother to ask for SS's if I see someone using it. Thats how I want things to be, but if there are problems with it, then those need to be worked out so that I can continue to forego asking for SS's all the freakin time.
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Those are not done while in chat, they are done while joining a game which is the same as being in a game. They still require you to be in the game lobby (different than being in the chat). What hacks are there that can be utilized while in the chat itself? None that I'm aware of that couldnt be replicated with a bot. If it can be replicated with a bot, then there is no point in trying to defend against those with the AH.
As for the locking mechanism, you may be thinking of Cheat Engine which does overwrite memory locations. The paid version of ArtMoney as far as I can tell does indeed lock locations rather than overwrite. Or perhaps it's just a better implementation of overwriting, I have not looked into it that much as I had no need to. I've used it to lock war2 in a specific state by locking ALL the locations. Literally the game froze, absolutely nothing would work, not even screen re-writes, so the screen would be completely black. Thats how I created the minimap hack by stepping through every single click very very slowly. If however iL is seeing problems accessing certain memory locations, that is cause for concern. Either his method for reading locations is wrong or there is something 3rd party locking it such as a trainer. There shouldnt be any reason that he has issues reading memory locations at all. Well, at least LEGIT reasons that is. There could be other reasons that will cause it, all of which are probably signs of being up to no good. I know for a fact that War2 is not the one doing it since it also has memory checking code itself so it would make no sense to lock anything (its just not in use atm, which I hope to see changed soon with packet 17 once iL has a chance to get my implementation running, its a work in progress on his end atm).
No these hacks need to be called before the game is created either chat, or join / create pretty much the same :/ to jam the game you need to execute the cheat while joining.
Yes he should have no problems reading the memory with out 3rd party interference.
I don't really care for your little thread but let me clear something up for you guys. Swift is a terrible person, he does not troll he just a pure narcissist like Equinox. They are both miserable people that could probably live a wonderful gay life together if they were both gay. Swift can speculate I hack all he wants, or listen to Tora, Blid, Mouse don't care he can contact them all I have not hacked since 2005 and Swift has. This thread is funny how people take this shit so serious, they troll and discuss crap like they mean something. I suggest you guys go back to playing and stop the passionate discussion about the anti hack because it is broken and always was.
This is why it takes trial and error for this type of project. This is exactly why the client is not locked down yet. I've been slacking on my research and development. I'm currently working on some stuff that iL don't know about and he will soon. You guys shouldn't be mad at all play the game have fun. Because of the false positives happen we are able to learn and revise the code. You have your name cleared by the system admin. We are now on the journey to making this anti cheat more effective.
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read what knitter says in his both posts.
he is totally telling the facts.
anyway. pointless thread. u just give attention to this attention hore.
boot hackers/ smurfs.
gg.
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He uses the "trolling" excuse every time he's caught. It never gets old if u ask me. I like watching him come up with the most rediculous lies that people just clammer over to accept as actual truth. It's amusing how much wool he has packed away in that studio apartment. He is like mage, sometimes he has the AH on, sometimes he doesnt with no real rhyme or reason other than the players that are on currently at the time, thats the only thing I've noticed anyway as a semi-constant. Just last week Mage went on a superior meltdown because I asked why he didnt have the AH running. Its a touchy subject for mage and we'll soon see how swiftbags reacts. But I need to go buy some popcorn first, this should get good.
Do you not realize that literally no one has any respect or appreciation for you? You seem to be a little obsessive here and it's quite cringe worthy. Anyone who knows you knows you are the biggest pile of shit out of all of us, and you are the one leading this crusade? Rofl. It's funny that you do not realize how meaningless you are to this community. Watching you try so hard to continuously wiggle in your opinions and rhetoric over hacks/hackers/ex-hackers is quite pathetic. There's a difference between anyone who has gotten caught hacking and you. You MADE the hacks you used.
As for the Anti-Hack, I did not know that it did not start when you ran "War2Combat Loader" as I am not a {shitbag} who lurks the website every time someone logs on the server. After doing a little bit of figuring out myself I found that clicking "Activated War2 Combat" or "War2pPatcher" will run the anti-hack. Here's a genius idea, remove every application to connect besides that one as there are like 4 or 5 different ways to start war2 combat. It's confusing, convoluted, and leads to massive faggots like you accusing people simply for not running the "right" version of combat.
PS
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Hey {shitbag} why don't you stfu when your supposed to be watching?
Enjoy the chat channel from now on.
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My my well arent you just the apitomy of the cutting torch calling the fire hot. You realize there are people saying that you were saying you couldnt get the AH working many weeks maybe even months before I asked you a simple question that made you go all stupid like. If anyone should be using it, its you.
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Sounds like a false positive. Swift is a top player and doesn't really need a hack to beat most players. If anything it would just make things more easy for him and he would get bored a lot faster. He's more likely to do something silly to make things more not less challenging. People can change
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Sounds like a false positive. Swift is a top player and doesn't really need a hack to beat most players. If anything it would just make things more easy for him and he would get bored a lot faster. He's more likely to do something silly to make things more not less challenging. People can change
The biggest cheater protecting the biggest hacker.
How ironic it is...
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Paper Boys not protecting you, what stolen goods are you smoking?
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My my well arent you just the apitomy of the cutting torch calling the fire hot. You realize there are people saying that you were saying you couldnt get the AH working many weeks maybe even months before I asked you a simple question that made you go all stupid like. If anyone should be using it, its you.
What? If ANYONE should be permabanned from this community it's you. No one believes anything you say, as you have ZERO credibility. We could take a trip back down memory lane to expose how many pieces of corn are stuck to your face with the shit you spew, {shitbag}. How many folks would like a sticky on this forum of all the pathetic attempts of Lance to gain control of this community or at the least be in a position of power through manipulation, deceit, or hacking? The list would pale in comparison to anything Swift or I have done combined. Maybe it's time for Picka to come back around and humble you? Hopefully he sees this and forces you to have to go play war2 in a McDonalds lobby again. Rofl.
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So the assumption is correct then, you're still hacking when the AH is off. Thats pretty much what I figured. The guilty always resort to your type of behavior. You've been caught hacking probably more than anyone other than Dellam. In my eyes, you're like the Dellam of the tier 2 players. You both vehemently deny things even when faced with obvious proof, often times followed by overly violent behavior.
Why dont you use your real name anymore? Oh I'm sorry, I forgot. Because it's reputation is so fucked up that you cant. Many of the old players who still dont know you're mage would have a cow if they knew who they were playing with. Just the other night I informed someone who you were when they asked, and lets just say that their reaction was.... somewhat predictable I'll put it that way.
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This will be my last response to you, as you are so delusional that I don't even think you realize how stupid you sound. Your assumption is just that, you making an ass out of yourself. I haven't been caught hacking more then you, I have never stolen anyone's PW, I have never hacked the forums, I have never hacked the client, I have never tried to take over the server, and I have never spammed or DDOS'd anyone. Let that sink in you ignorant fool, as these are just SOME of the atrocities you have committed. Obvious proof? You must of missed the big giant SS on the previous page that shows you are implying that I hack in it. I don't use my username because it is locked. Boy you are really reaching aren't you? You are so pathetic, haha. I am not hiding who I am and there are plenty of people who enjoy playing with me. I play private games with top players while you have to play in public games with the scrubs. This entire thread shows how ignorant, pathetic, and vile you truly are. Keep reaching, buddy. Some day, some one, some where might like you other then USA~Feature, but I highly doubt it. Keep spending your life on trying to achieve that though, as it seems worthwhile and productive. ::) ::) ::)
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Funny how all the hackers and cheater protect swift Lol
PB, MAGE, i mean all these old school loser get a reality check since they cant hacks anymore! Lol
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Your assumption is just that, you making an ass out of yourself.
I see, so that's basically the same excuse you gave when you were refusing screenshots in the past. Reading between the lines with you is about as easy as reading bold print in 30 weight size font. You're fooling no one. Coming up with excuses to not use the AH is the exact same thing as coming up with excuses to not post SS's (some of which you still have not posted from just this past week I might add). In addition to the AH, I suggest you take some braincells from swift and start streaming every game you play as well. But of course we all know you would never do such an ATROCIOUS thing as that right? I mean, you'll come up with every excuse in the book in order to avoid it. Trust me, it's not that big of a deal. I wonder how I know that? Could it be because I do that very same thing myself? Naaah, no way, that couldnt be it. That would just make to much sense.
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ArtMoney (as do most other trainers) has a "Lock value" feature for example that will do just that.
Just checked Lock value in artmoney, looks like it prevents changing value, not readin it. Antihack doesn't return an error while reading...
At the same time they obviously use some software that prevents reading. Just wondering what is it.
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Still would like to know exactly how Lance was able to tamper with AH. That's the only thing left unsolved in this thread.
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Well, i'll add some additional checks to understand how exactly war2 being blocked from reading memory...