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Title: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 02, 2016, 12:00:53 PM
Hey guys as most of you already know we will be hosting a 4 week Tier 1 tournament. Start time for the tournament will begin at  10/09/2016 at 12am Eastern time.

http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1 (http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1)

All matches will be player on even faster with high settings.
Round 1 will be-Bridge to bridge combat
Round2 -Fierce ocean combat
Semi Finals-Gold seperates East from West
Finals-Garden of War
Each round will be best of 5 except for finals which is bo7

Each round will end 7 days after start time.
Example:  tournament start time begins at  10/09/2016 at 12am Eastern time. Round 2 will begin at 10/16/2016 at 12am Eastern time.
All players must have finished their match by that time. If you are having trouble reaching your opponent PM me and we will try to set up a date and time for your match. If a player is unreachable or unwilling to play, they may be removed from the bracket and replaced. 

Master tags will only be retained or given out to players who reach Round 2 or higher.
A Cash prize of $75 will be given to the 1st place finisher and a $25 will be given to the 2nd place finisher.(Players must stream or warvid to collect their cash prize.)

Note, All players are subject to AH, SS, and war video requests from their opponents. If your opponent requests it please comply. If you are having a dispute with your opponent which you are having trouble resolving please PM me. We will do our best to try and make all players happy.
Furthermore while streaming is not required for all rounds we do request that all players please stream their matches.
http://en.war2.ru/tutorials/how-to-live-stream-warcraft-2/ (http://en.war2.ru/tutorials/how-to-live-stream-warcraft-2/)
If you need any help setting up your stream please reach out to mousEtopher .
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 02, 2016, 12:01:46 PM
If anyone would like to make any changes or comments please comment bellow before the start time.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: XuRnT on October 02, 2016, 06:26:43 PM
I would switch one match in particular if both plan to play, Shotgun vs. Jesk in round 1? If only Round 2 keeps master tag that seems kind of silly. Assuming Braviet is going to be replaced with someone else in the near future here is my bracket


1. u8t3io3p
2. GreenAgenda

3. 00Joe
4. Alf-Attack

5. 00Logan
6. Braviet

7. BHC-Jesk
8. 00Steve

9.  Player
10. Sepi

11. Startale
12. Mystical

13. Knitterhemd
14. Medivh

15. Shotgun
16. Yamon
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 02, 2016, 10:11:18 PM
I see your point ill rearrange them when I get home tonight
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 12:11:03 AM
Bracket has been updated!! All players please see your new opponents for round 1.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Shotgun on October 03, 2016, 12:59:06 AM
Should make it random res :P
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 02:07:38 AM
I was thinking high this time then medium then low. Maybe next one we can do random.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Warchief Lightbringer- on October 03, 2016, 05:15:29 AM
Yamon is good but nowhere in tier 1. :) But gl to him!
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 01:34:58 PM
Yamon.. joe.. greenagenda. Mystical.. none are or ever have been tier 1. .. or tier 2... maybe by today's "tier 2" standards

Gotta fill spots tho.

Just shows how much game is dying.. there will come a day when spb is the best war2 player alive... because all the other good players eventually will quit.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 01:46:54 PM
Hey guys as most of you already know we will be hosting a 4 week Tier 1 tournament. Start time for the tournament will begin at  03/09/2016 at 12am Eastern time.
3/9?  Do you mean 10/9?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 01:47:46 PM
Yamon.. joe.. greenagenda. Mystical.. none are or ever have been tier 1. .. or tier 2... maybe by today's "tier 2" standards

Gotta fill spots tho.

Just shows how much game is dying.. there will come a day when spb is the best war2 player alive... because all the other good players eventually will quit.
I could probably find this out by digging back into older threads but GreenAgenda being in a tier one tournament is a very mysterious thing to me
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 02:06:27 PM
By most standards.. only 2 maybe 3 of these players would have ever been considered tier 1 until recently
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 02:12:00 PM
@TK your such a cynic.

Who cares how war2 used to be. This isn't 2007 this is 2016, obviously this game won't have the same number of player that it once did. However we are constantly adding new players and old players are always coming back for some nostalgia.

As far as the bracket goes GA wants to play and believes he belongs in the tier 1 bracket. Why not give him a chance to see how well he will do. Its good to throw a few tier 2 players in the mix to let them practice against some tier 1s.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 02:14:24 PM
Why label it "tier 1" tournament of not even half the players are what most would consider tier 1..
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 02:16:01 PM
Let's just call it starcraft tournament
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 02:18:51 PM
We re did the tiers to show reflect our current player base.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2521.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2521.0.html)


Like I already stated this is 2016, we need to work with whats in front of us. There is no point in dwelling on the way things were.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 02:23:33 PM
Honestly I don't even care .. LB mentioned yamkn, and I saw at least 3 other players who do not fit in who yamon is probably better than in 1s.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 02:25:54 PM
So back to the point then who will advance to Ro2. Keep in mind the map is bridge to bridge combat.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 02:29:02 PM
What's bridge to bridge .. like gseps? 40k mines on 96x96?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 02:44:52 PM
Heres an example,

https://youtu.be/hdJ1YFkPt8M
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 03, 2016, 03:52:52 PM
tk why do you complain about everything?  tora is doing something nice and productive for the community.  it's better to fill out a few spots with lesser players than exclude a few players who belong and want to play.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 04:27:47 PM
By most standards.. only 2 maybe 3 of these players would have ever been considered tier 1 until recently
Well that's relevant to your own weeping agenda but what I'm referring to is that GreenAgenda specifically would lose 10-0 to all the other tier one players listed.  Did someone get him confused with GreenPlastic (Joe)?  Has he suddenly become good?  What's up?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 04:36:10 PM
How is that good for my agenda? What is the difference between me saying some of those players are not on the same competitive level and you saying one is not? .. and while I agree green agenda is at the bottom of the list and there are other players that should/could easily replace his position in the tournament. .. I bet he could pull off at least one win against most of the other players, and probably 3-4 wins  (out of 10 games) against 2-3 of the other players.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 04:38:32 PM
"I'm blid and my weeping agenda is more relevant tan TK weeping agenda"  ..
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 04:39:58 PM
Well the idea is that these are the "tier 1" players these days.  Your gripe is that "tier 1" has fallen from where it was in the past.  But what I'm saying is one guy specifically has been miscategorized.  They're totally separate things.  You're being cynical and negative about the whole endeavor where I'm just saying the 10th player could be someone else.

And by the way, Szwagier, Alf, JesK all used to be worse than me.  But they got really very good, it can't be denied.  It's not really a matter of the competition getting worse in some of these cases
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 04:46:53 PM
We have the same gripe... you have just selected fewer players to gripe about.. and GA is no further from myst, yamon, or Joe in skill than any of those 4 mentioned are from alf, player, or knitter... in fact I watched knitter and GA play and GA lost the series, but definitely kept knitter on his toes.. this was about 3 weeks ago and I believe green agenda has been playing pretty consistently between then and now
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 04:49:38 PM
Let it be clear that I did not mention any gripes about it until someone else mentioned yamon not being at the same level... which to me is silly to point him out when he's not even in the bottom 3 1v1 players on the list
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 04:52:30 PM
We have the same gripe... you have just selected fewer players to gripe about.. and GA is no further from myst, yamon, or Joe in skill than any of those 4 mentioned are from alf, player, or knitter... in fact I watched knitter and GA play and GA lost the series, but definitely kept knitter on his toes.. this was about 3 weeks ago and I believe green agenda has been playing pretty consistently between then and now
It's not the same at all, because I'm not disappointed like Oh dear we used to have so many better players, I'm just saying Hmm slot in 00STEVE or whoever because there are lots of better players to choose from!

That said I missed Tora's post where he said GreenAgenda wanted to play and believes he can compete so I mean unless there's others mad about being left out then sure let's see how it goes.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 05:05:30 PM
00steve is slotted in.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 03, 2016, 05:15:58 PM
fine, someone else then, like Koorb for example.  There's lots to choose from.  But as I said, if GA wants to be there and no one is salty about being left out then it's cool.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 05:23:00 PM
koorb is perfect example.. dude has been afk for like a year or more, logs on and will eat at least 5-6 of those players for breakfast.

the players on that list haven't gotten better.. their competition just stopped playing.

kinda takes a shit on the whole "tier 1" concept... and koorb has never been considered a tier 1 player.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 05:30:27 PM
i thought the whole idea of breaking people into tiers was to group people who were able to compete with other people

some of them are just flat out literally not able to compete with other people on the list in 1v1's
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 07:05:50 PM
Have u watched koorb play recently? He would not "eat 5-6 players in the bracket for breakfast."
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 03, 2016, 07:07:32 PM
what's preventing tk from hosting his own perfect tournament????????
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 07:09:57 PM
Tk lets try it and see how it goes thrn judge after.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 07:10:49 PM
5-2'd yamon after over a year break.. the rust is wearing off. another 30-40 1v1's and he's fine.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 07:13:14 PM
Anyway its not just me working hard on this tournament. Moustopher and ritilin are helping and working hard to. If you can find a productive way to contribute please do.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 07:13:57 PM
i think the tournament is a good idea... calling it a "tier 1" tournament takes away from actual tier 1 players is all imo ... if i had permission from my wife.. i could literally play 4-5 hours a day for a week and be able to compete in this tournament and i know damn well im not a tier 1 player and never have been.. even a tier 2.. i'd be lucky if i were ever considered tier 3... at least not prior to sept 2016
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 07:17:33 PM
Like I already said we are focusing on players that are active and playing now. Not players that played 10 years ago. For 2016 I dont think its unfair to call this a tier 1 tournament. Not all the players in the bracket are tier 1. But they are all good active players

Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 03, 2016, 07:26:34 PM
who gives a fuck what its called are you really that frustrated about the title of a warcraft 2 tournament?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 10:44:59 PM
I just beat your tier 1 player (GreenAgenda)  3-1 after he said "Bo 5 ... you wont win one"

and none of us were ever spot fked.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
U wanna play in the tournament tk? Also never said he was tier 1.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 03, 2016, 10:57:40 PM
U wanna play in the tournament tk? Also never said he was tier 1.

So since i beat startale i can take his place? hahahaha
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 10:58:40 PM
You can take braviets place if you want. He not respnding to my pms.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 03, 2016, 11:11:52 PM
You can take braviets place if you want. He not respnding to my pms.

No i want startale one
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 11:14:16 PM
nah. im not a tier 1 player. i dont belong.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 03, 2016, 11:20:27 PM
nah. im not a tier 1 player. i dont belong.

Would u play in a month long tier 2?

Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2016, 11:29:11 PM
nah. im not a tier 1 player. i dont belong.

Would u play in a month long tier 2?



i'd play in a weekend long tournament of any "tier" if any decent players are allowed.. but it'd have to be this weekend. ill be afk for a couple months after this weekend.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 04, 2016, 01:35:12 AM
You can take braviets place if you want. He not respnding to my pms.

No i want startale one

7-2 on StarTale
10-0 on Naniwa

17-2, gg ezpz
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 04, 2016, 01:39:19 AM
You can take braviets place if you want. He not respnding to my pms.

No i want startale one

7-2 on StarTale
10-0 on Naniwa

17-2, gg ezpz


2-6 equinox vs startale

2-1 ZZ vs startale

total 7-4 and im rusty.

your 10-0 was cheated since you were looking my stream.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 04, 2016, 01:44:22 AM
except you weren't even streaming? lawl
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 04, 2016, 01:48:56 AM
The 10-0'ing was real, and no matter what excuse you make it happened.

(https://imgflip.com/i/1bpyoj)

rooofl
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2016, 02:52:05 AM
Would actually be cool if Equinox did take Braviets place.

Just cause if you look at the bracket it will show he would be facing Startale in the 1st round. So if he somehow won he would actually get Startale's Master icon.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 04, 2016, 02:58:14 AM
Would actually be cool if Equinox did take Braviets place.

Just cause if you look at the bracket it will show he would be facing Startale in the 1st round. So if he somehow won he would actually get Startale's Master icon.

Put swift in the tournament and i will face startale on this first round.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 07:46:58 AM
SPB would be a good fill spot... solid 1v1 player and very active
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 07:47:21 AM
And he's underrated these days
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2016, 10:14:33 AM
Swift uninstalled war 2 temporarily so he not playing.

Spb doesn't really speak English and thus its hard to get him to commit to something like this tournament.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 12:06:36 PM
SPB is much more fluent in English than he let's on..
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 12:07:14 PM
I'd go as far to say that he is nearly as fluent as equinox

Mystical and paperboy could probably verify.. they met up with him in Vegas a few years back I believe

He just has no interest in socializing imo. He is here to play war2 and that's about it lol
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 04, 2016, 12:13:36 PM
he owns
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2016, 12:20:59 PM
Yeah that's probably why he is so good.
He only focuses on playing.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 04, 2016, 12:23:21 PM
well hes sort of good but id say that comes more from playing 50,000 games.  call it "the yah`mon principle."
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 06:01:03 PM
Swift uninstalled war 2 temporarily so he not playing.

Spb doesn't really speak English and thus its hard to get him to commit to something like this tournament.

negative ghostrider ... i saw kyle log on for 2.4 seconds yesterday and insta logged... then logged back on under a smurf name and is currently logged on under said smurf name with an idle time of 1hr 1 minute and 23 seconds.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2016, 06:48:07 PM
You know Tk that is kinda stalkish. Lol
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Ywfn on October 04, 2016, 08:31:48 PM
If Braviet doesn't respond in time, since this is more interesting with the maps, I would be willing to step in and throw your tier system a bit of chaos.  That is, of course, unless Startale fears the b2b matchup :)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 04, 2016, 08:37:07 PM
If Braviet doesn't respond in time, since this is more interesting with the maps, I would be willing to step in and throw your tier system a bit of chaos.  That is, of course, unless Startale fears the b2b matchup :)

Startale fear everyone so i will not be surprise hahaha
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 04, 2016, 08:43:41 PM
Im talking to Viruz right now so I am hoping he agrees to step in.
 But if you want to play you may be able to take Mystical's or 00steve's spot. Just because neither one of them have forum accounts and thus its difficult to get a hold of them.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 04, 2016, 08:51:45 PM
You know Tk that is kinda stalkish. Lol

nah.. kyle is just predictable a lot of times.. and his personality is unique.

i was in game when i saw "you're friend 00kyle has logged...."      (dont get it twisted, we're not really friends.. but we're aware of when eachother logs on known accounts) so it wasnt really stalking
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Ywfn on October 04, 2016, 08:55:05 PM
Viruz:  1v1 b2b or fear?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Warchief Lightbringer- on October 05, 2016, 01:25:04 AM
FN, I'll step for the B2b!
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 05, 2016, 02:10:26 AM
If Braviet doesn't respond in time, since this is more interesting with the maps, I would be willing to step in and throw your tier system a bit of chaos.  That is, of course, unless Startale fears the b2b matchup :)

I would love to get tossed around on some other maps! Shall we do another koth? Maybe Maze again?! :P
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 05, 2016, 05:23:40 PM
Ok Braviet has officially been replaced with
Viruz

Good luck to viruz and startale in round 1
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 05, 2016, 05:45:11 PM
Ok Braviet has officially been replaced with
Viruz

Good luck to viruz and startale in round 1

More like GL to viruz cause he's gonna need it. Viruz only at 10%, he needs to be at 50% to beat Startale.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 05, 2016, 06:26:52 PM
lol I know what u mean. Good chance Startale will be taking viruz's master tag away.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 06, 2016, 09:31:12 AM
What a round 1 match this will be!
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: mousEtopher on October 06, 2016, 09:41:32 AM
Ok Braviet has officially been replaced with
Viruz

Good luck to viruz and startale in round 1

Nice, the return of Viruz! Make sure you stream ST!

On a side note I'd be happy to sit in and record tourney matches for anyone who can't stream (can pm my mousetopher bot anytime and I'll see it if I'm at my pc, or pm me on discord). It'd be nice to record as many matches as possible and save them all together in a youtube playlist, more than one person I know of has expressed interest in that.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Warchief Lightbringer- on October 06, 2016, 11:46:22 AM
Mousey. Do it on warinsight too....
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 06, 2016, 12:06:59 PM
Ok Braviet has officially been replaced with
Viruz

Good luck to viruz and startale in round 1

More like GL to viruz cause he's gonna need it. Viruz only at 10%, he needs to be at 50% to beat Startale.

Viruz can unrust in a day, while it takes everyone else weeks
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 06, 2016, 12:22:16 PM
Wanna make a friendly wager swift? $50 swagier wins this tournament
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 06, 2016, 12:25:52 PM
Odds are too close, hes better than everyone on that list except maybe sg
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 06, 2016, 12:26:13 PM
Wanna make a friendly wager swift? $50 swagier wins this tournament

The bet is 1:1 that szwaiger will win?

So if anyone other than szwaiger wins then the other person wins $50?

Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 06, 2016, 12:32:31 PM
swag would probably beat anyone of them on FOC, but he isn't very good at gseps.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 06, 2016, 12:43:50 PM
Wanna make a friendly wager swift? $50 swagier wins this tournament

The bet is 1:1 that szwaiger will win?

So if anyone other than szwaiger wins then the other person wins $50?



No no I'm not a bookie.

If someone wants to bet someone other than swag wins thou im willing to take that bet thou.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 06, 2016, 12:47:35 PM
U8 is the clear favorite, you would have to give better odds that -100/+100
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 06, 2016, 12:52:49 PM
Smart man doesn't make a bet he knows he can't win  ;).

I probably never should have brought it up.

I doubt anyone will ever bet against u8.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 06, 2016, 03:28:19 PM
I'd take shotgun winning.  Szwag loses to Viruz on Gseps, SG beats Viruz on Gow.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 07, 2016, 05:28:15 AM
What are the settings? B2B Classic/BNE High/Low? Foc Classic/BNE High/Low?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Warchief Lightbringer- on October 07, 2016, 05:50:42 AM
Don't be so sure about szwagier guys. Maybe he will pull off a ~KaNuKs~ ...You never know :D
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 06:25:02 AM
What are the settings? B2B Classic/BNE High/Low? Foc Classic/BNE High/Low?

Its all EF and High.

You have a different opinion on how the setting should be? 
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 06:29:18 AM
Shotgun did suggest random resources.

Next Tier 1 tournament we probably will take his advice on that.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Equinox on October 07, 2016, 06:29:48 AM
What are the settings? B2B Classic/BNE High/Low? Foc Classic/BNE High/Low?
Yeah startale need to know cuz i caught him praticing against AI on B2B 1 hour ago, viruz already in his head, bye bye master icon hahahaha
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: braviet on October 07, 2016, 07:01:14 AM
Put me in coach, I'm rdy.  I don't care about winning the tourney. Plz, just put me with u8 in the first round. Someone's gotta stop him.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Ywfn on October 07, 2016, 07:18:44 AM
Shotgun did suggest random resources.

Next Tier 1 tournament we probably will take his advice on that.

Shouldn't do random resources on a couple of maps, GoW classic is one example--the spots are too uneven for low and medium.  Just need to be selective about the maps--most maps it would work great.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 07, 2016, 07:21:15 AM
Def should replace GA with brav
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 07:23:07 AM
Put me in coach, I'm rdy.  I don't care about winning the tourney. Plz, just put me with u8 in the first round. Someone's gotta stop him.


OHHH SHIT ITS BRAVIET, You got it lol ill give u u8 if u want. 00steve is impossible to reach so I suppose Ill remove him.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 07, 2016, 07:31:46 AM
braviet sighting
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 08:10:11 AM
If anyone knows how to get in contact with 00steve please let me know. Until then its shotgun vs Greenagenda.

This actually is turning out to be a strong tournament.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 11:00:52 AM
Wanted to let you guys know the maps will be played as such,

Bridge to Bridge Combat - BNE

Fierce Ocean Combat - Classic

Gold Seperates East and West - Classic

Garden of War - Classic
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Antti_Kiviniemi on October 07, 2016, 11:18:06 AM
Wanted to let you guys know the maps will be played as such,

Bridge to Bridge Combat - BNE

Fierce Ocean Combat - Classic

Gold Seperates East and West - Classic

Garden of War - Classic

and resources? high?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 07, 2016, 11:33:34 AM
yeah its all EF, high
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 07, 2016, 11:38:55 AM
Go away viet! 8)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 08:56:27 AM
Bracket has been updated.

00Joe has requested to be removed from the bracket and sepi has been banned. For this reason we have added two new players to the bracket.

Esn- and Ywfn
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 08, 2016, 12:19:55 PM
Bracket has been updated.

00Joe has requested to be removed from the bracket and sepi has been banned. For this reason we have added two new players to the bracket.

Esn- and Ywfn

How long is sepi banned for and does he get to keep his master icon?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 12:31:02 PM
Bracket has been updated.

00Joe has requested to be removed from the bracket and sepi has been banned. For this reason we have added two new players to the bracket.

Esn- and Ywfn

How long is sepi banned for and does he get to keep his master icon?

Sepi will lose his master icon yes.

He is banned until he clams down. Whether that takes 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, or 1 year. Its up to him how long he will remain banned for.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 01:00:15 PM
Ok I finally got a hold of 00Steve.

Which means 00Steve will be replacing Esn- and 00Steve will be facing Startale in Ro1
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 02:33:12 PM
Wtf why 00joe withdraw?  .. I was really looking forward to seeing how he stacked up against some of the players
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 02:33:51 PM
Or at least alf..
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 02:52:45 PM
He gave a bunch of reasons why, not really important why we withdrew point is he withdrew.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 03:05:05 PM
The why is always important.. especially from a double click-using player who claims to be at a certain level and almost never plays anyone 1v1 to defend the claim.

I wanna see him defend it
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 03:33:53 PM
The why is always important.. especially from a double click-using player who claims to be at a certain level and almost never plays anyone 1v1 to defend the claim.

I wanna see him defend it

He said he doesn't like the toxic atmosphere around the server lately.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 03:36:19 PM
I think fear of alf and fear of recording with double click -,-
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 03:38:15 PM
I think fear of alf and fear of recording with double click -,-
He woulnt have even faced alf ro1 you know, he would have faced 00steve or startale
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 03:42:24 PM
Brackets on page 1 show alf.. but steve or ST doesn't help him get past round 1
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 04:03:33 PM
What Bracket u looking at?

http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1 (http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1)

It was originally 00joe vs Sepi ro1 in the 2nd bracket.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 04:14:43 PM
Oh nm it's burnts bracket
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 04:33:16 PM
I was sad when he told me he wouldn't play. I was also looking forward to seeing his 1v1 skills.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 08, 2016, 05:22:57 PM
Joe's a pretty good player and ok guy who tries to project himself as better than he is as a devoted Swift acolyte.  He'd never put himself in a position where he'd have to prove he's as good as he pretends.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 06:08:41 PM
Agreed... if u always ally strong players, it makes u appear stronger
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 06:15:01 PM
There's a name for it.. "stacker" ;)

I personally like challenges or at least evenly matched games. Knowing I'm going to win before game starts = boring imo
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: tk[as] on October 08, 2016, 06:17:56 PM
I actually like being at a slight disadvantage and then pullinga win off. Those are the best games I think
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 06:42:29 PM
In 00joe's defense he has played in singles tournaments before.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1590.msg27082.html#msg27082 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1590.msg27082.html#msg27082)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 08, 2016, 07:09:18 PM
not sure having the courage to get through DW-x)Locka(, Warhammer, and x-DW-x)Reaper( really proved anything.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 08, 2016, 07:14:21 PM
Reaper is lux
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 09, 2016, 09:24:17 AM
Ok,

Swagier has defeated Braviet 3-2 and he has advanced to ro2.

You can watch the reply on his stream here.

 https://www.twitch.tv/szwagiermc (https://www.twitch.tv/szwagiermc)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Player on October 13, 2016, 03:10:38 PM
Is Medivh participating??
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 13, 2016, 03:30:30 PM
He seems to have dropped out as have most the tier 2s you will get a bye and face alf this weekend.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: mousEtopher on October 13, 2016, 03:41:16 PM
Tier 3s are the future
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: LuX on October 13, 2016, 06:33:27 PM
I will be able to play GreenAgenda tomorrow night or Saturday night.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 13, 2016, 06:40:55 PM
If you dont see him tonight dont worry about it.

Saturday we gotta move on to ro2, I believe you play Viruz Saturday night.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 14, 2016, 02:22:50 PM
Hey all Tier 1's who haven't played. There has been a lot of drop outs from the tier 2's and a couple tier 1's. Due to this we will be handing out bye's to the players who were unable to reach their opponents.

Furthermore we will not be removing master tags from players that played and lost.
We will be removing master tags from players that were unreachable or unwilling to play.

Check out the updated bracket here, round 2 will begin tomorrow.

http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1 (http://challonge.com/Tier1ro1)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 14, 2016, 03:02:16 PM
Why does viruz get a bye when yamon is more active?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 14, 2016, 03:46:25 PM
Yamon refused to play, he said he doesnt like the map pool.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 14, 2016, 05:32:14 PM
Are there going to be any videos of this? Szwaiger is going to win vs. Startale easy, the shotgun vs. JesK will be very intersting.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on October 14, 2016, 05:54:54 PM
Yamon refused to play, he said he doesnt like the map pool.
Whaaat
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 14, 2016, 06:13:36 PM
Yeah lotta players only play gow Blid.

Ill ask SG and jesk to warvid benjamin.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: the_magician on October 14, 2016, 09:44:32 PM
it would be nice to see a live bracket somehow. also some kind of notification to when the games are on or at the least upload the tourney to youboob so us casuals can watch it

ty in advance  8)
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Winchester on October 14, 2016, 09:53:41 PM
upload the tourney to youboob

lol
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Ywfn on October 14, 2016, 11:20:18 PM
shotgun vs. JesK will be very intersting.

Lucky for shotgun it's not a 4v5 challenge vs Jesk.  What an annihilation that would be.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: mousEtopher on October 15, 2016, 08:20:06 AM

Thar she blows
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: the_magician on October 15, 2016, 03:20:30 PM
thanks for update, didn't see the link prior
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 16, 2016, 01:02:35 AM
Check out the updated bracket, looks like Lux has beated Viruz 3-0 on Foc.

Warvids will be coming soon.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 16, 2016, 01:19:53 AM
Joe did stream it thou, u guys can check that in the meantime,


https://m.twitch.tv/00joew2
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 16, 2016, 03:35:29 PM
Check out the updated bracket, looks like Lux has beated Viruz 3-0 on Foc.

Warvids will be coming soon.

Shocked that viruz got rolled like that, he is still only at 20% or is logan actually playing serious now?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 16, 2016, 03:37:41 PM
Joe did stream it thou, u guys can check that in the meantime,


https://m.twitch.tv/00joew2

Joe has done a great job giving pro analysis in some great games. I don't even mind his slow southern accent or lame jokes.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Sentinel1 on October 16, 2016, 03:44:31 PM
not in those games lol he doesnt know anything about water maps.  asked startale if juggs can see turtles.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: GreenPlastic on October 16, 2016, 04:52:58 PM
The whole commentary came about because one of lux's irl friends was going to watch the stream.  Figured he'd have more of an idea of whats going on if I share my limited knowledge on water than having no clue what he's watching at all.  There were some casts of a few garden of war games after that I enjoyed talking about.  Had a few people that enjoyed it so it may be something I continue to do from time to time.  I'd like to promise the lame jokes won't continue but I'd be lying.  I really enjoy telling horrible jokes for my own amusement knowing how they'll be taken.  Anyway, thanks for the input.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: GreenPlastic on October 16, 2016, 04:53:59 PM
Also wanted to add that Startale and I will be co casting in the future.  I felt that it brought a really great dynamic to the games having 2 opinions and some technical input as well.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 19, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
i thought we are playing for fun this tour...

Its about startale, we talked at sunday and i know he is working at sat sun mon 12h, i understand that he dont want play after his work, so my suggestion was at tuesday when i will back from work ( my midnight his 17) i was online till 3:30 am he came for one game as watcher ignored me and went afk again, when i get up at 11 he was still "streaming victory" from last game, now he is probably playing another game,

Viet where are you? only u are playing all maps :<

guess fear,ppl who refuse playing cause "not my map, i dont want play vs him" should be banned from tours forever
GG WP NO RE
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 19, 2016, 07:01:41 PM
Startale probably knows you are a huge favorite vs. Him but he isn't the type to dodge players. My guess is that he just wants to better prepared to play vs. you.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 19, 2016, 07:07:05 PM
prepare???!?!?!?!? for??? i thought "master" player should be rdy anytime for playing diffrent map, not only gow?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~oE~ on October 20, 2016, 11:20:14 AM
Why is each round a series on 1 map?

If the intent is to prove who is the best all around player, isnt the better way to do it to have each round a 'best of' series on different maps? Can be the same for each round but it equalizes ability across maps and ensures the better well rounded player should win.

(EG - i dont know if 00whatever is the truly better than Virus but hes definitely better on FOC. Doesnt necessarily mean he is better across maps and therefor the better well rounded player)

 
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 20, 2016, 11:30:05 AM
I was on all Tuesday morning which is when we agreed to play. I didn't see you till the evening when I was getting my daughter ready for bed. I hopped on cause Dugs messaged me on facebook. I said I would be able to play when she fell asleep, which was going to be about an hour. You said 5 mins or else? Lol. I am able to play right now for 2 hours or tomorrow from 9am-noon.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 20, 2016, 11:32:09 AM
Didn't realize I left the stream on, lol. Just goes to show I wasn't even on the PC
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 20, 2016, 06:09:16 PM
wtf??!!?? i said we can play AFTER MY WORK AND I SAID IT WILL BE MY MIDNIGHT AND YOUR 17 AND U ACCPECT IT  and i waited 2h
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 20, 2016, 07:13:07 PM
wtf??!!?? i said we can play AFTER MY WORK AND I SAID IT WILL BE MY MIDNIGHT AND YOUR 17 AND U ACCPECT IT  and i waited 2h

Looks like it's just ST's words vs. Szwaiger's. This can only be settled with screen shots or maybe just agree on a time and post publicly.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 20, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
To be honest this month long tournament seems like a good idea in theory. The idea was to give players the ability to play on their own time. I did try my best to coordinate with all the players via pms and Facebook. Players like Viruz, Lux, knitterhemd  and a couple others were very postive in their responses and did play

 Unfortunately there has been too much dodging and excuses from many of the other players, for these reasons we will be suspending this tier 1 tournament will further notice.
It seems we will have to go back to making it a 1 day 2-3 hour affair.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: LuX on October 20, 2016, 08:59:50 PM
I would give it through the weekend Tora. It seems the biggest problem is the different time zones especially with work. It worked out well with Viruz and I because we are the only 2 that are in the states that played each other. Weekends should free up more time for players.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 20, 2016, 10:36:14 PM
I am free to play Friday anytime, but I never knew szwagier was a lying tard like the other pollacks on this game. You asked me what time and I stated it, mouse was right there. Maybe you did not understand time zone IDK
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: I hate naggers on October 21, 2016, 12:56:15 AM
pollacks
warnnn
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 21, 2016, 06:09:11 AM
Nice try bro i see that u are stupid and i wont talk to you anymore if u dont remember that u accept your 17:00 tuesday. Maybe eq was right, nice fear

And yes i cant play today and saturday morning , thats why i talk about tuesday
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: the_magician on October 21, 2016, 10:40:48 AM
this tourney is way too long and so many people are dodgers.

it would have been much better if you threw in some t2 players (who are actually active),
made the series 3 different maps instead of Bo3 on one map
map pool should be something like GoW, PoS, and B2B, maybe maps like GWN or Dark Paths

this way it would be more conclusive of a good wc2 player. Playing a water map like FoC is ridiculous because most pro players don't even play water maps...

tournament shouldn't be a month long. if you can't play cause you're too busy with irl then your basically a retired vet. Why not host a tourney for the new talent?

just my 2c  :-\
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BHC-JesK on October 21, 2016, 11:06:59 AM
To be honest this month long tournament seems like a good idea in theory. The idea was to give players the ability to play on their own time. I did try my best to coordinate with all the players via pms and Facebook. Players like Viruz, Lux, knitterhemd  and a couple others were very postive in their responses and did play

 Unfortunately there has been too much dodging and excuses from many of the other players, for these reasons we will be suspending this tier 1 tournament will further notice.
It seems we will have to go back to making it a 1 day 2-3 hour affair.

Another problem was that you set players for a tournament without even asking them resulting in having inaktiv players and players who don't like the maps/format.

An alternatively format that worked pretty well in like 2012(?) was a league format. Everyone can just play everyone and gets points based on results. Thats an highly motivating and fair format. Non-top players can try to get a good ranking when they are very active for example. This again rises the questions why we don't have a motivating (for example elo style) ladder system yet. Remember all of them newbies in wc3 trying to climb the levels and collect avatars lol.

My opinion on different maps
Most non gow maps have very little variation if you play them at a high level. That said, for me bo5/bo7 is pretty boring on most non gow maps because it either results in repetitive games (small-med rush maps) or in long ass late games (big maps / sea). I prefer loser picks next map (for example from a certain map pool) and random res adds even more variation. Different predefined maps in a boX is fine too.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 21, 2016, 11:45:07 AM
The problem is with a league its very difficult if not impossible to keep track of all wins/losses of something like a league.

The ladder is not a good representation of where players stand among the community. Unfortunately the ladder is full of smurf accounts and is easily manipulated.
There is no real solution to this problem.

As far as not including players in the discussion I don't believe that is a fair assertion. While its true I didn't ask Jesk specifically what maps he wanted to play and which he didn't. I did request feedback from players for weeks before starting the month long tournament. KOTH probably was the way to go I won't disagree with that.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BHC-JesK on October 21, 2016, 02:52:04 PM
The problem is with a league its very difficult if not impossible to keep track of all wins/losses of something like a league.

The ladder is not a good representation of where players stand among the community. Unfortunately the ladder is full of smurf accounts and is easily manipulated.
There is no real solution to this problem.

As far as not including players in the discussion I don't believe that is a fair assertion. While its true I didn't ask Jesk specifically what maps he wanted to play and which he didn't. I did request feedback from players for weeks before starting the month long tournament. KOTH probably was the way to go I won't disagree with that.

it's not hard to track scores, the winner has to report the score in a topic. last time i think i did an excel sheet with % win ratios n stuff. but that's just a suggestion

i don't care what kinda formats you host, but getting auto-set in a tournament and kinda getting forced to play is just strange.

€found the sheet
just trying to give suggestions and maybe improve stuff, don't feel attacked.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: mousEtopher on October 21, 2016, 05:01:11 PM
This again rises the questions why we don't have a motivating (for example elo style) ladder system yet.

ELO ladder is a nice idea, several people have brought it up, e.g. Jos has made the point that it would make it much easier for newb's to find players their own level to vs. I'd like to and am reasonably certain I can make it happen, just a matter of finding the time.

Unfortunately there has been too much dodging and excuses from many of the other players, for these reasons we will be suspending this tier 1 tournament will further notice.

sadness
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: BenJamin on October 21, 2016, 05:09:45 PM
Can we just skip all the bs and see szwaiger vs. Shotgun already?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 21, 2016, 08:39:51 PM
Can we just skip all the bs and see szwaiger vs. Shotgun already?
Way ahead of you, hopefully they will play tomorrow.

Also hoping I can get Lux to play Alf-attack or player this weekend. Just haven't gotten a chance to msg any of them yet.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 21, 2016, 10:58:54 PM
That's a good idea. Just setting up scheduled matches between opponents. Time to practice, and get some build up with the community, and friendly or cash bets!
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 22, 2016, 08:04:21 AM
The problem is with a league its very difficult if not impossible to keep track of all wins/losses of something like a league.

The ladder is not a good representation of where players stand among the community. Unfortunately the ladder is full of smurf accounts and is easily manipulated.
There is no real solution to this problem.

As far as not including players in the discussion I don't believe that is a fair assertion. While its true I didn't ask Jesk specifically what maps he wanted to play and which he didn't. I did request feedback from players for weeks before starting the month long tournament. KOTH probably was the way to go I won't disagree with that.

it's not hard to track scores, the winner has to report the score in a topic. last time i think i did an excel sheet with % win ratios n stuff. but that's just a suggestion

i don't care what kinda formats you host, but getting auto-set in a tournament and kinda getting forced to play is just strange.

€found the sheet
just trying to give suggestions and maybe improve stuff, don't feel attacked.


We're happy to hear all suggestions jesk.

Would players need to report wins/losses themselves? I have little faith in most players keeping track of their wins/losses. Unless we could add a sign up page for players and have the server automatically track thier wins and losses I dont think it would work.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 22, 2016, 10:20:51 AM
Can we just skip all the bs and see szwaiger vs. Shotgun already?
Way ahead of you, hopefully they will play tomorrow.

Also hoping I can get Lux to play Alf-attack or player this weekend. Just haven't gotten a chance to msg any of them yet.

What are you guys talking about. Lux has a good shot at beating u8 on gseps.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 22, 2016, 10:35:47 AM
Thats 1 map, swag would win if they played 4-5 different maps.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Swift on October 22, 2016, 05:05:13 PM
That has nothing to do with the tournament. The matchup would take place on gseps, and if you have to give the odds to anyone it could possibly be slightly in favor of Lux. Lux had a good chance of getting by both viruz and u8.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: I hate naggers on October 22, 2016, 05:21:25 PM
u8 has always been average at straightforward rushing maps

ive been owning szwagier on them before he was cool.

Okay maybe i exaggerated a little
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 22, 2016, 05:38:03 PM
That has nothing to do with the tournament. The matchup would take place on gseps, and if you have to give the odds to anyone it could possibly be slightly in favor of Lux. Lux had a good chance of getting by both viruz and u8.

We don't plan to leave Lux hanging he will get a match up with a cash prize if he wins.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 22, 2016, 08:16:24 PM
show match me vs claw  gseps bo7

or fear claw??
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Shotgun on October 23, 2016, 06:38:38 AM
So what is happening now. Should Lux play szwagier and I play jesk on FOC? or do I play szwag? Im so confused
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 23, 2016, 07:58:58 AM
Shotgun u play swagier.

I already msged u and u8 that matchup. Also please try and warvid it.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 23, 2016, 08:08:09 AM
Today i cant play. Lets try next saturday?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: I hate naggers on October 23, 2016, 03:34:16 PM
lying tard like the other pollacks on this game
I am offended by this statement, you dumb nigger
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on October 23, 2016, 10:20:50 PM
Not sure why u8 and I still don't play? I've been on quite a bit even saw him today and he didn't want to play. I ended up playing Medivh instead
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: LTFan on October 23, 2016, 10:52:02 PM
yeah how does startale lose his position in this tourney and u8 gets to play SG instead?
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Player on October 23, 2016, 11:33:05 PM
Alf and I are still in.  We're ready.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 24, 2016, 10:00:00 AM
Not sure why u8 and I still don't play? I've been on quite a bit even saw him today and he didn't want to play. I ended up playing Medivh instead

cause it was 3 am when i was in bed and only watching? .......... i wont play any tour games in my night i can play 8am-> 1 am


and tora is not talking about tourney match,to be honest we should both be disqualified, and alf and player and sg Only lux played and he should win cause he played to 22.10
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 24, 2016, 10:42:44 AM
The tournament itself has already been broken apart due to players not playing each other for whatever reasons. We can't just give out byes to everyone like we did in Ro1. Which is why its been suspended.

We've already sent out pm's to Shotgun, Swagier, Statale, Alf-attack, Lux, Player and Jesk explaining the situation.

We've also given them the option to play among themselves in KOTH matches for cash prizes.
U8 and SG we did set that up as a exculsive match due to interest in the community, but that shouldn't be interpreted as SG and u8 somehow being better than the other players.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Shotgun on October 24, 2016, 10:51:45 AM
Szwagier and I will get around to playing each other, it's very tough with Time Zones though.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 24, 2016, 10:59:18 AM
Long as u guys play all that matters. Whether its this weekend or two weekends from now.
Title: Re: $100 Tier 1 tournament October 9th - November 6th
Post by: Szwagier on October 24, 2016, 11:32:51 AM
i got free saturday so i can play all day so i think it wont be a problem from my side