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Title: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: XuRnT on April 20, 2017, 08:17:53 PM
u8t3io3p the current ladder leader has been on such a impressive role lately. He has won chop tours, made it to finals in KOTH series 2vs2 tour, GoW 3vs3 tour, and won the Humans Only 2vs2 tournament.

His last series with 00Kyle was about a month ago where the games went as following

00Kyle (#2) defeated u8t3io3p (#1) on "Garden of War" at 23:36:59 on 03/18/2017.
00Kyle (#2) defeated u8t3io3p (#1) on "Garden of War" at 23:26:50 on 03/18/2017.
00Kyle (#3 → #2) defeated u8t3io3p (#1) on "Garden of War" at 23:12:15 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#3) on "Garden of War" at 22:59:15 on 03/18/2017.
00Kyle (#6 → #3) defeated u8t3io3p (#1) on "Garden of War" at 22:48:07 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#2) on "Bridge to bridge combat BNE" at 22:31:55 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#12) on "Bridge to bridge combat BNE" at 22:15:52 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#12) on "No way out of this maze BNE" at 22:06:35 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#12) on "Gold Rush BNE" at 21:58:40 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#12) on "Gold Rush BNE" at 21:44:07 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#6) on "Gold Rush BNE" at 21:31:59 on 03/18/2017.
00Kyle (#12 → #6) defeated u8t3io3p (#1) on "Gold Separates East&West L" at 21:25:57 on 03/18/2017.
u8t3io3p (#1) defeated 00Kyle (#12) on "Rivers" at 21:02:31 on 03/18/2017.

To me it looks like u8 has a better overall game play on a variety of maps. Do you think he would win this series KOTH style if 00Kyle was willing to do the showdown?
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 20, 2017, 08:25:47 PM
The real question is does u8t3 aka Swagier believe he can beat 00kyle aka swift.

Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: BenJamin on April 20, 2017, 08:28:40 PM
The real question is does u8t3 aka Swagier believe he can beat 00kyle aka swift.



If it was gow only the answer is no. If it were all the other maps then the answer is yes. U8 just doesn't have the required APM to beat kyle on gow or fastest maps.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on April 21, 2017, 08:35:58 AM
Swift is very good at GOW he is definitely the best active GOW player left. He is up there with the greatest GOW players ever. In any BNE Swift would be up there but I highly doubt he's the "best ever" at BNEs. There so many BNEs with so many different terrains changing things up and lots of variables like water map or not. Kyle is definitely a good player but his ego and need to be the best turns a lot of people off besides the fact hes a troll and likes making people mad. On the other hand Swift can be personable when he isn't "living in an image" or trying to piss someone off. Anyway just my 2 cents.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Igognito on April 21, 2017, 10:41:54 AM
I think the real question is: Who wants to see the match with commentary!
I would like to schedule 1v1 master matches, where I sit as a watcher and record the game.
After I do a commentary and try to analyze the games like I had done for Shotgun/Knitterhemd matches.

For that I vote: YES
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 21, 2017, 11:12:49 AM
Unlikely this matchup will happen any time soon.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Szwagier on April 21, 2017, 11:42:36 AM
we played 14 games and score was 8-6 (one gow didnt record cause pb(?) made saps)

why u guys care about it
 :critter: :critter:

i was streaming and it was 3h so u could rewatch it in 2 weeks
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 21, 2017, 12:48:32 PM
we played 14 games and score was 8-6 (one gow didnt record cause pb(?) made saps)

why u guys care about it
 :critter: :critter:

i was streaming and it was 3h so u could rewatch it in 2 weeks

Can you post the link so ppl can rewatch it?
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: mousEtopher on April 21, 2017, 12:52:16 PM
we played 14 games and score was 8-6 (one gow didnt record cause pb(?) made saps)

why u guys care about it
 :critter: :critter:

i was streaming and it was 3h so u could rewatch it in 2 weeks
szwagier make me an editor at your twitch so I can highlight you/swift & other nice matches
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on April 21, 2017, 01:12:36 PM
U8 is a good player. However I am not currently well practiced vs good players, while he has been for many months. He has play been playing vs braviet/alf on gow and random maps almost every other day for several months, more or less.

If U8 is confident that he can take me in either a gow or koth series, and would like to play an official series then I am down.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 21, 2017, 01:16:44 PM
Lets make it a grand master challenge if this does come to fruition. This way there will be a prize at the end of the tunnel.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: The Legend of StarTale on April 21, 2017, 01:37:38 PM
Honestly I believe Swift is better and not just on gow. Swift is very strong on a lot of bne/classic maps. The only edge I would give u8 would be on water maps tbh. U8 grinds out HSC games vs Braviet just about every day. Swift is a much faster, strategic, and thoughtful player. Though his strongest ability has to be the way he adapts to the player he's facing through a series. Swift plays differently vs top players. The longer a series goes, the more likely it is Swift is able to adapt to the player. Swift vs Viruz and Swift vs Shotgun have separate strategies and tactics. Not trying to take anything away from u8 though, as he is a very strong player and good on just about every map. The thing that blows my mind about szwagier is how low his apm is considering how good he has become. I think if they get to the late game that's what gives Swift a strong edge over him too. My pick for the bo11 is Swift
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Szwagier on April 21, 2017, 03:39:29 PM
we played 14 games and score was 8-6 (one gow didnt record cause pb(?) made saps)

why u guys care about it
 :critter: :critter:

i was streaming and it was 3h so u could rewatch it in 2 weeks
szwagier make me an editor at your twitch so I can highlight you/swift & other nice matches
xurnt got it and he could do that...


apm doesnt matter
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: mousEtopher on April 21, 2017, 09:22:26 PM
yeah but burton's busy, add me too ok??
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 22, 2017, 08:36:07 AM
If this match up does happen i'll raise the prize payout to $50 for the winner
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: tk[as] on April 22, 2017, 10:45:28 AM
i'd say they're pretty evenly matched .. just comes down to who is having a better day. i dont think either is "better" than the other player.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on April 22, 2017, 11:46:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxnaPa8ohmM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxnaPa8ohmM)
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 22, 2017, 12:28:25 PM
i'd say they're pretty evenly matched .. just comes down to who is having a better day. i dont think either is "better" than the other player.
Well I don't see Swagier accepting
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: tk[as] on April 22, 2017, 01:04:22 PM
he said the last series they did was 8-6 his favor i believe .. i think he's implying the series has already been done... if i had to guess, they could play 100 or so games and there wouldnt be more than a 5-10 game spread.. and im sure spot location would account for the spread.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: tk[as] on April 22, 2017, 01:10:59 PM
their gow games right now that are recorded under u8 and 00kyle are 19-14 in kyle's favor

when u look at other maps i think u8 has a slight lead.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 22, 2017, 01:47:55 PM
Well im offering a $50 prize for the winner for a bo11 KOTH series.
Swift accepted
 Swagier hasn't.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Szwagier on April 22, 2017, 01:59:12 PM
i accept also but swift said he need unrust
 :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter:
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 22, 2017, 02:02:06 PM
i accept also but swift said he need unrust
 :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter: :critter:

Very good can we agree to a day and time we need to get Xurnt to stream this. Will probably be 20+ watchers
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on July 29, 2017, 02:52:32 AM
Here is some interesting insight that I don't think anyone's ever noticed:

Burnt has been a scumbag towards me since when we first met around the days .ru first started. It used to get to me a little like a decade ago, now I find it slightly funny. Only slightly though...  ::)

Funny story. He Started out creating multiple replay packs, some of them had my games in them but only showcasing my losses and little to non of my wins. Eventually youtube videos overtook replay packs, and he looked instead to uploading my losses on youtube from then on. Now he randomly joins my games and records series that he only intends to post on youtube (without my permission) if I lose - like recently vs lone (which were entirely practice games in which i was helping lone with his macro and wasn't looking to win, just unrust).

Aside from a few series losses to viruz, I've only lost like no more than threeish real series (one to lone 1-2 on ef, one to u8 6-8 on various maps, etc) in the last so many years (off the top of my head). But as soon as I get spanked, by u8 and lone, hes there to point it out. He also makes sure to point out the ones vs viruz as well, knowing full well I've won against him tons too - including in tournaments.

In the early years he used to flame me consistently and talk shit all the time behind my back, according to many players. Now it appears he lightened up and goes relatively easy on me. :D

ohhh burntzy, for all you've done for war2, you sure had it out for me in the process<3 much luv


Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on July 29, 2017, 04:15:01 AM
burnt only uploads games i lose in too, are extremely bad ie i just give up cuz its 3am and cbf.. no idea why he uploaded such horrible games
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: XuRnT on July 29, 2017, 05:57:21 PM
The replay packs on http://en.war2.ru/downloads/ (http://en.war2.ru/downloads/) are the same ones that were on the old site.

Only Replay pack 2 mentions tournament finals and has Swift vs Foonat and Swift vs Viruz in it. So I am guessing this must be the one he is talking about. One replay pack that has him losing (idk he might not even be losing would have to actually watch them)

I barely posted any replay packs...

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The youtube video thing we already debunked earlier this year when I posted to you my old videos of Scrubbo vs Swift with more of you winning there.

As far as recent youtubes, anything I go and record I post to the channel. Regardless if you won or lost vs. LoNe it would be posted.

http://www.youtube.com/user/war2combat (http://www.youtube.com/user/war2combat)

Use the search function, put in 00Kyle or Swift.. I am sure you will find plenty of games with you winning.

I pointed out the fact that u8 won a lot of games vs. you because that is a accomplishment. You are a very tough player and for him to pull that off it was pretty neat to see. This was not about putting you down, it was about showing respect to u8. I browse through the ladder results a lot, and like to see records of who all is playing who, and I was hoping that maybe you guys would have done a showdown for the fans.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Ash on July 30, 2017, 12:08:26 AM
Here is some interesting insight that I don't think anyone's ever noticed:

Burnt has been a scumbag towards me since when we first met around the days .ru first started. It used to get to me a little like a decade ago, now I find it slightly funny. Only slightly though...  ::)

Funny story. He Started out creating multiple replay packs, some of them had my games in them but only showcasing my losses and little to non of my wins. Eventually youtube videos overtook replay packs, and he looked instead to uploading my losses on youtube from then on. Now he randomly joins my games and records series that he only intends to post on youtube (without my permission) if I lose - like recently vs lone (which were entirely practice games in which i was helping lone with his macro and wasn't looking to win, just unrust).

Aside from a few series losses to viruz, I've only lost like no more than threeish real series (one to lone 1-2 on ef, one to u8 6-8 on various maps, etc) in the last so many years (off the top of my head). But as soon as I get spanked, by u8 and lone, hes there to point it out. He also makes sure to point out the ones vs viruz as well, knowing full well I've won against him tons too - including in tournaments.

In the early years he used to flame me consistently and talk shit all the time behind my back, according to many players. Now it appears he lightened up and goes relatively easy on me. :D

ohhh burntzy, for all you've done for war2, you sure had it out for me in the process<3 much luv

Lol the most fragile ego I have ever seen. That's what happens when ur legacy is built on lies, tricks, and cheats. Also players who make excuses until they are playing 20x more a day than their opponent, only then is it fair ::belly laugh::
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on July 30, 2017, 01:53:25 AM
Here is some interesting insight that I don't think anyone's ever noticed:

Burnt has been a scumbag towards me since when we first met around the days .ru first started. It used to get to me a little like a decade ago, now I find it slightly funny. Only slightly though...  ::)

Funny story. He Started out creating multiple replay packs, some of them had my games in them but only showcasing my losses and little to non of my wins. Eventually youtube videos overtook replay packs, and he looked instead to uploading my losses on youtube from then on. Now he randomly joins my games and records series that he only intends to post on youtube (without my permission) if I lose - like recently vs lone (which were entirely practice games in which i was helping lone with his macro and wasn't looking to win, just unrust).

Aside from a few series losses to viruz, I've only lost like no more than threeish real series (one to lone 1-2 on ef, one to u8 6-8 on various maps, etc) in the last so many years (off the top of my head). But as soon as I get spanked, by u8 and lone, hes there to point it out. He also makes sure to point out the ones vs viruz as well, knowing full well I've won against him tons too - including in tournaments.

In the early years he used to flame me consistently and talk shit all the time behind my back, according to many players. Now it appears he lightened up and goes relatively easy on me. :D

ohhh burntzy, for all you've done for war2, you sure had it out for me in the process<3 much luv

Lol the most fragile ego I have ever seen. That's what happens when ur legacy is built on lies, tricks, and cheats. Also players who make excuses until they are playing 20x more a day than their opponent, only then is it fair ::belly laugh::

this is about your one sided quarrel you have with me, rather than the position i have taken with burnt on a topic you know nothing about. you have no interest in taking an hour or so to inspect the legitimacy of my claims, you're just here to vent / bash... and perhaps get a holier than tho / good guy type self approval stamp. that seems to have been your shtick for years.

You're one of a small group of players who I haven't initiated any of the various negative exchange of words with for quite a few years... i take the blame though, as I specifically remember being a relentless prick to countless players years back and I think you were one of them. Almost everyone of those players is either cool or indifferent with me now. Have at if you want to continue flaming and trying to feel like you're one upping me. i'm ok with just about everybody on this game having a Lifetime Pass on that one.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Ash on July 30, 2017, 03:19:55 AM
this is about your one sided quarrel you have with me, rather than the position i have taken with burnt on a topic you know nothing about. you have no interest in taking an hour or so to inspect the legitimacy of my claims, you're just here to vent / bash... and perhaps get a holier than tho / good guy type self approval stamp. that seems to have been your shtick for years.

You're one of a small group of players who I haven't initiated any of the various negative exchange of words with for quite a few years... i take the blame though, as I specifically remember being a relentless prick to countless players years back and I think you were one of them. Almost everyone of those players is either cool or indifferent with me now. Have at if you want to continue flaming and trying to feel like you're one upping me. i'm ok with just about everybody on this game having a Lifetime Pass on that one.

I'm literally just commenting on the topic of the thread. I did not realize studying Burnt's conspiracy against you for an hour was a requirement. Your level of pre-game fear and excuse making is so sad it's hilarious. Yes we all know you and you play war2, so thats cool cuz that means theres ppl that play war2. Plenty of douches in the world, but you're our war2 douche.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Knitter on July 30, 2017, 09:59:38 AM
Finally ash has spoken and hes right.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on July 30, 2017, 11:18:54 AM
:D That same reply to ash applies even more so to you, knitter.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Yamon on July 30, 2017, 12:43:35 PM
swift is much much much better than u8t. swift hops on once in a blue moon, and beats him in a series every time. U8t plays every single day.
I honestly have no  idea why people think u8t is better than swift other than they're just not good at the game.
The problem with u8t, is he may have the potential to be near swift's level, but swift crushed all of the best players the game has ever known, and was very active in war2's prime. U8t will never have that opportunity to improve and get on swift's level.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: XuRnT on July 30, 2017, 01:41:32 PM
swift is much much much better than u8t. swift hops on once in a blue moon, and beats him in a series every time. U8t plays every single day.
I honestly have no  idea why people think u8t is better than swift other than they're just not good at the game.
The problem with u8t, is he may have the potential to be near swift's level, but swift crushed all of the best players the game has ever known, and was very active in war2's prime. U8t will never have that opportunity to improve and get on swift's level.

Well the topic was about KOTH Style multiple maps though, and I think u8 has practiced a variety of maps more then any other top player in recent years. I think it really evens the playing field a bit if they ever would have faced off.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Sentinel1 on July 31, 2017, 03:28:36 AM
swift is much much much better than u8t. swift hops on once in a blue moon, and beats him in a series every time. U8t plays every single day.
I honestly have no  idea why people think u8t is better than swift other than they're just not good at the game.
The problem with u8t, is he may have the potential to be near swift's level, but swift crushed all of the best players the game has ever known, and was very active in war2's prime. U8t will never have that opportunity to improve and get on swift's level.

you cant discount what szwagier does and say swift crushed the best players the game has ever known when the people he was crushing were in the same boat that swift purports to be in now - that is, not active, not caring.  if szwagier beating swift doesnt count, then neither does swift beating scrubbo, for example.  and swift and shotgun have played like 20 times all time.  i called swift out on this before and swift said they've played "hundreds of times" but there's zilch in the ladder to back this up.  around 20 games.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Swift on July 31, 2017, 01:23:20 PM
swift is much much much better than u8t. swift hops on once in a blue moon, and beats him in a series every time. U8t plays every single day.
I honestly have no  idea why people think u8t is better than swift other than they're just not good at the game.
The problem with u8t, is he may have the potential to be near swift's level, but swift crushed all of the best players the game has ever known, and was very active in war2's prime. U8t will never have that opportunity to improve and get on swift's level.

you cant discount what szwagier does and say swift crushed the best players the game has ever known when the people he was crushing were in the same boat that swift purports to be in now - that is, not active, not caring.  if szwagier beating swift doesnt count, then neither does swift beating scrubbo, for example.  and swift and shotgun have played like 20 times all time.  i called swift out on this before and swift said they've played "hundreds of times" but there's zilch in the ladder to back this up.  around 20 games.

Some of the players that I've contested against clearly weren't in their competitive primes - a great example would be KHB who I played maybe 15x.
Scrubbo isn't a prime example of this by any means - he played something near 4k games in around a year or two alone. He probably wasn't too rusty if at all, and became impressively good on .ru. But yes, we've all played people who were rusty, and we've all played players who weren't. If you're keeping score, then you can just keep track of what era it is for what players. Just like U8, how some of his opponents are active and some aren't, the same could be said for my opponents back in the day. These days it seems like the european players and braviet are the best.

I don't think I claimed to have played shotgun HUNDREDS of times. I've played Viruz and a few others hundreds of times, and I've most likely played shotgun something over one hundred times.

You've backed yourself into a corner however, with your source and claim of only around 20 games. Nobody cares enough to think about how many times SG and I have played, besides you - however for the people who are in the know with wc2 it's clear and obvious that sg and I have played well over 20x. You're using the ladder to back up your position of around 20 games, yet you seem to forget that it doesn't include the original .ru ladder - which was active during sg's and I's little rivalry during the early .ru days. Realizing this, you should now be aided in completely losing your self trust in your judgement on the matter. I've also posted a few warvid series from during that era, and many players were around (including on this forum) to witness me and sg going back and forth.

Aside from our 14 game series last week alone, we've only I think played two series since 2014 which were about 5 games a piece. The ladder doesn't record every game, but the ladder alone will have 30-40 games of me vs shotgun since 2012. I think the current ladder doesn't have record from 2006 to the start of 2010 - which is when we played the bulk of our games.

Within his first few months back alone (maybe sometime 07?), we played around 20 games - with out first series ever being a KOTH I believe. He was pretty rusty though during our initial games. Then after that, we started having series that were roughly 8-12 games each. If you count the times we smurfed each other, its well over 20 games right there alone. I remember once he tricked me by getting on some newbs name, blazinbuks or something, and then he spanked me pretty badly in like an 11 game series on that name.

Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: tk[as] on July 31, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
u8 is better imo ... kurwa, but better.
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: shesycompany on July 31, 2017, 07:21:33 PM
this is the game that should of been a e sport..crazy talent both(it is with us but blizz should have them on the main dam page....) ufc but with war2 damm fuck take my $
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 01, 2017, 12:48:57 PM
U8 you got a day and time you can play Swift bo11 for $50?
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: I hate naggers on August 01, 2017, 03:22:34 PM
dang, i wish i was good at gow. But with relatively low effort, i could only reach decent level (koorb, tyrus etc). huge amount of work to compete with broviets and the others
Title: Re: Poll: Can 00Kyle beat u8t3io3p in bo11?
Post by: Szwagier on August 01, 2017, 03:32:18 PM
I think sunday will be fine 3 est time,  i will know 100% at Friday,  not sure when i am going to bicycle trip( Saturday or sunday but 90% saturday)