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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Lambchops on December 26, 2017, 02:21:04 PM

Title: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 26, 2017, 02:21:04 PM
As you know, I do not use a "double-clicker" schitzo.

other things I don't use include:

AutoIt
VBs
map hacks
Observer
Stealthbot
Screen overlays
.... everything else you children play with.

STFU and go get some practice playing without your hacks. :D
i saw how u lust, thats enough for me

yes i got hack, which ones?
lol don't know, don't care.

Fix is the same for everyone.

For those who don't know, Swagier is our "Grand Master" aka u8t3io3p - whatever that means.

So this is a real question. I don't expect people to seriously vote 'No' here, but I would like to know people's opinions. Wouldn't it be much more fun if everyone went back to playing normally ???

Please don't bother with all the OMG what are you talking about? garbage. Make a new forum name if you all want but lets decide this. I'm happy to put the work in to shut up this big-mouthed Polack, but if everyone else wants to keep hacking and being his bitch then what's the point?
 :critter:
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Sentinel1 on December 26, 2017, 02:37:12 PM
I have literally no idea whats going on here.  You translated broken english into your own form of broken english and ask "what do you guys think" but even worded that confusingly.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 26, 2017, 03:17:56 PM
huh observer give u advance? when your opponent havent got?
whats VB? AutoIt?Screen overlays?
Stealthbot ???? chat abuse?

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2554.msg43462.html#msg43462 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2554.msg43462.html#msg43462)

but i see u got doubleclick as i said and u could just say it "yes i got double click" if any players from top using it should get ban also - its my opinion

too bad for u i never used it



but if 9 ogres  meet 9 ogres and both player start lusting in the same time, who will win? person with double click or person who is lusting normal?
this give advance



I have literally no idea whats going on here.  You translated broken english into your own form of broken english and ask "what do you guys think" but even worded that confusingly.


i saw him using doubleclick and he deny it but he is using it :D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 26, 2017, 03:32:56 PM
probably he was cheating, that filthy animal lambchops

would b nice to see absolutely hack-free environment, but we a bunch of lazy fags so no memory protection launcher and no action tracker
its gooder to hax hard and NEVER get caught! this be a lesson for you, newbchops
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 26, 2017, 03:48:05 PM
its gooder to hax hard and NEVER get caught! this be a lesson for you, newbchops

No its boring, thats why I dont do it, however I'm not interested in the opinion of the people selling the hacks, I had no doubt what you would say. I'm interested in the general consensus of the players on the server. I'm sure some of them would rather nobody used them.

... and never get caught pffff! What shit. Actually it was lust macros that provided the first difinative evidence of hacking for me. I remember that was before my son was born, which was 2008. Playing BGH n/a .... all the gow 'pros' invaded the game and used the same lame ass macro. What a joke. At that point I started investigating. If I wanted to sit around all day making wc2 build macros just so I could brag in game chat I'd jump off a bridge. Sad, sad, sad... get a life
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Disgruntled on December 26, 2017, 09:01:10 PM
What should i do with all these extra buttons and keys?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 26, 2017, 09:24:37 PM
What should i do with all these extra buttons and keys?
k thats a no. fair enough thx for your input
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 26, 2017, 09:46:54 PM
if u are saying i got hack proof it, but u cant so sad  :'(

No I'm saying this game is full of people hacking. Many of them are people I like. Can't really blame people for wanting to stay competetive. I can provide a full analysis of what everyone is doing - but I dont want to spoil the game. If more people are happy to keep hacking then whatever, I think it's a mistake but  hf.

That's why I left it alone years ago. Perhaps now you wankers have nearly killed the game dead I thought maybe some people might be curious who the best players are while there's still people left to play against.

I don't like the biggest hacker on the server accusing me of pathetic garbage because he's a hypocritical douche.... and I dont have to prove it because everyone already knows it.

But if the community has reached the point where they're actually serious about stopping the hacking, then yes, I can shut your shit down, make no mistake :D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 26, 2017, 11:16:53 PM
So, im waiting for it

10 years ago, maybe more ripe thought i hacks, he asked me many Times for ss, he found nothing. .   u will be second
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 27, 2017, 04:19:37 AM
What a joke. At that point I started investigating. If I wanted to sit around all day making wc2 build macros just so I could brag in game chat I'd jump off a bridge. Sad, sad, sad... get a life

it appears to me someone got caught & mad

we should eliminate all macrohaxing on the server, even the doppelclicks. so, why aint u doing it
it wont happen by iL saying yes, you have to force your solution down his throat and then he will say yes eventually
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on December 27, 2017, 12:02:52 PM
Noooo! Don't ban me hax plzzzz ;)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on December 27, 2017, 02:03:01 PM
Let's end all hacking! ✊️🌈😎
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 27, 2017, 02:10:10 PM
nice smoke bomb thread tho


LAMBCHOPS GOT CAUGHT HAXING!!! USING 3RD PARTY TO LUST OGGERS!!!! NOW HE MAD AND PROJECTING HAX ON GREAT SZWAGIER

BAN THAT NAGGER
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on December 27, 2017, 03:53:02 PM
I mean he didn't get caught, he got accused
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 27, 2017, 04:18:29 PM
ok then no ban. only forgiveness for his rude accusations
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: eleison on December 27, 2017, 04:39:38 PM
Hum, this feels sketchy...

So Lamb gets accused for using macro hack. And then describes the server like everyone is cheating. Mainly cheaters thinks everyone else hacks. That's how a hacker starts hacking, because he thinks most others also hacking. Also lambs defence is to accuse the guy back.

I have nothing personal against lambchops. But I have noticed his skill level gets higher after getting lust. That will say its easier to beat him before he gets lust. And yes I notice these things very well.

If there is no proofs, the only thing to continue this is by looking into the future. If Lambchops used macros, we can now hope he stopped using it in future plays. For a more fair game. Because I don't believe any of the top pro players is using macros or hacking.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 27, 2017, 07:42:22 PM
Hum, this feels sketchy...

So Lamb gets accused for using macro hack. And then describes the server like everyone is cheating. Mainly cheaters thinks everyone else hacks. That's how a hacker starts hacking, because he thinks most others also hacking. Also lambs defence is to accuse the guy back.

I have nothing personal against lambchops. But I have noticed his skill level gets higher after getting lust. That will say its easier to beat him before he gets lust. And yes I notice these things very well.

If there is no proofs, the only thing to continue this is by looking into the future. If Lambchops used macros, we can now hope he stopped using it in future plays. For a more fair game. Because I don't believe any of the top pro players is using macros or hacking.


You are replying in the wrong thread. HERE (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3765.msg61747.html#msg61747) is the thread where Swagier accuses me of unsing "doubleclick" to cast bloodlust. Go accuse me there if you want. This thread is asking if you think hacking should be stopped. What is "sketchy" is anyone trying to divert the conversation, and not just voting YES.

... and BTW (A)my skill level changes a great deal depending on how depressed I am on any given day, (B)my late game has always been better than my early game, this is not a secret, thanks for finally noticing. (c) IIRC I didn't even have lust the first time I beat you 1v1, it was straight ogres.

So that's clearly a 'no' vote from eleison.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 27, 2017, 07:59:49 PM
we should eliminate all macrohaxing on the server, even the doppelclicks. so, why aint u doing it
it wont happen by iL saying yes, you have to force your solution down his throat and then he will say yes eventually

The current anti-hack does not even disable the warcrap map hack. One of the first things I did when I started the anti-hack project was made a patch to stop it from working. It was never implimented. Why? IDK but TBH one of the main factors in I stopped developing the anti-hack was that as far as I could tell, nobody just wanted to stop the hacking, they wanted to let people hack but have proof. Four years later when the the anti-hack project was finally completed and it doesn't seem to do anything much. Can anyone explain to me why the EF_GAMEBOT makes games all day with a nice green [AH] next to it's name?

I am not going to devote big hours of my life to developing something without the support of the community. If people would rather hack then I'm not wasting my time. The one thing that HAS to happen if this is going to work is that it HAS to be mandatory, and that can't happen without the support of the server operator.

Any pro who is going to suggest that they don't think anybody is hacking is either talking crap or just plain STUPID. That's what this vote is about: Is this server about who can play WC2 the best or who can hack WC2 the best? It's your game people. Decide.

ok then no ban. only forgiveness for his rude accusations

You can stop trolling now Tom. I'm actually seriously interested in people's opinions. If people want to hack then OK let's do it. If not then let's not.

Anybody paying attention will notice that the great Cpt~Claw has technically stated his support for stopping his hacks, but then spent the rest of the time trying to de-rail any conversation. "sketchy" eh?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 27, 2017, 08:03:32 PM
I have literally no idea whats going on here.  You translated broken english into your own form of broken english and ask "what do you guys think" but even worded that confusingly.
Read the poll at the top of the page. That is the context for the posts.

Ima go ahead and count that as a 'no' from Sentinel1, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 27, 2017, 08:05:02 PM


Noooo! Don't ban me hax plzzzz ;)

LOL had a feeling you might say that. Sorry mate, nothing personal, if the vote comes up no we can all hack it to death together.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 27, 2017, 08:11:28 PM
Let's end all hacking! ✊️🌈😎
Yay, my first genuine, unqualified yes. Thanks Mate :)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on December 28, 2017, 09:53:53 AM


Noooo! Don't ban me hax plzzzz ;)

LOL had a feeling you might say that. Sorry mate, nothing personal, if the vote comes up no we can all hack it to death together.

Just make a good anti hack! I don't wanna bypass it twice in 24 hours of its release. :)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 28, 2017, 10:42:21 AM
trading hax for penis pics
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 28, 2017, 11:45:10 AM


Noooo! Don't ban me hax plzzzz ;)

LOL had a feeling you might say that. Sorry mate, nothing personal, if the vote comes up no we can all hack it to death together.

Just make a good anti hack! I don't wanna bypass it twice in 24 hours of its release. :)

haha really? no security for the security?.... noob mistake ;) TBH I've never done more that glance at it for about 5 minutes.

trading hax for penis pics

No need to drop the price just yet, the way this vote seems to be going I think your business model is safe.

         
... unless theres lots of people stealth voting IDK, have to ask admins for the results next year.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on December 28, 2017, 02:59:31 PM


Noooo! Don't ban me hax plzzzz ;)


LOL had a feeling you might say that. Sorry mate, nothing personal, if the vote comes up no we can all hack it to death together.


Just make a good anti hack! I don't wanna bypass it twice in 24 hours of its release. :)


haha really? no security for the security?.... noob mistake ;) TBH I've never done more that glance at it for about 5 minutes.

trading hax for penis pics


No need to drop the price just yet, the way this vote seems to be going I think your business model is safe.

         
... unless theres lots of people stealth voting IDK, have to ask admins for the results next year.



Here is a video of my anti hack I wrote years backs. It can detect all spells hacks and build hacks even if it's an unknown memory address.

Here is a sample of all this code at work. I didn't give you this version though with server console, and client side anti cheat system.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQaSAxCjpnU[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQaSAxCjpnU[/url])


It can detect all spell, build hacks before the hacker uses them! It only has a white list black list for map hacks being detected and other hacks but the lists is such a lame way to prevent cheating.


I even had an array written to detect units levels and compare possible spells trained. Same with buildings and units. I feel it would defiantly patch spell hacks, build hacks, etc. This would cause false positives in custom maps...  >:D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 28, 2017, 03:54:52 PM
Letz prevent all hax! dont listen to all those tarded noggers that want to stroke their egos with "i knew he's hacked all along!". fuck blid and stop the hax, i am your man, lambchops

anyway my cherry tomato bushes are almost dead because i was absent in my flat during christmas, how to revive them
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Player on December 28, 2017, 06:58:32 PM
Yes.  Lol at the voting options :).  And yes, post the analysis to expose all the hacking hackers using hacks to hack!
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 28, 2017, 10:37:42 PM
Yes.  Lol at the voting options :).  And yes, post the analysis to expose all the hacking hackers using hacks to hack!

Hehe yeah I think I'm funny too ;D

Expose all the hackers? OMG At this stage you can barely even call them "hackers".... these days they're just "Players" (see I'm freakin hillarious). I don't have a suspicious mind, I have an analytical mind.

Perhaps this is a good moment to point out.... I have made a build macro. For one map only. I made my mad bot. It plays chop mad. Then I made a name "BotTest" and asked people to challenge it. I left and let people have wins when they didn't just suddenly quit.

I got it to have every peon standing exactly where it has to be before its needed and do everything perfectly. I mean it didn't "hack" the rules - just played perfectly to build. It could build 9 roosters simultaneously then make 1 peon repair each roost before you could blink. It could automatically rack drags the instant the last drag was built. So what happened??

The 'good' players still beat it ;D Man some people are so 'good' lol. So I made my V1.01 bot. Actually there was this one Player who was really helpful with that, can't remember his name, think it started with a 'K' or something... that guy was really 'good' at chop mad. My bot could out-rush him by IDK maybe 7 or 8 seconds but with travel time it wasn't enough and he would have more gold and win with more drags.

So the next bot 2-halled and created peons (at mad speed) and sent them mining from game start while orchestrating another 20 or so to chop/build/repair/upgrade/destroy at the same time. It slowed the rush by about 7 seconds but meant that it had the extra gold and suddenly the bot had reached 'good' level.... and by that I mean inhuman, impossible, absolutely no freakin way and then some 'good' level.

This is all just sublime, and after the fact, because that was about 5 or 6 years after I first proved to myself that all the top players were using build macros... at least on customs like bgh etc. and things are much more sophistocated these days. Need I go on? I have SSs and even warvid of some pretty advanced hacks, everybody knows, so what? I pretend I don't notice that some things build faster than others (and by notice I mean KNOW). I still go ahead playing chop and building/chopping 100% by hand because its how I like to relax.

>> That's until Grand Master Micropenis Script-Kiddie decides to be an arrogant douche and suggest I would use something as downright NOOBISH as a "double-click". That's just fucking insulting, and he knows it. For the record: never used it - never even downloaded it. So OK ass-face, you want to hack accuse? Let's get real about this:

I can totally dissect every single stat of every building from the moment it's placed, and every unit from the moment it is created. I can watch the internal state of every peon as it leaves a mine, returns to a hall, transitions to inside the hall and drops its gold then leaves the hall and heads back to the mine. I can watch the targets of every grunt change from one unit to the next. I can see the planned pathing of every unit 20 steps ahead of where It decides what to do (yes it is 20 steps). I can track the training progress of every unit in real time as it is being trained ...... and I can dump all of this to a file 10 times a second .... IDK probably 50 times a second, but what's the point?

Why? So that big mouth Grand Master Hakkity Haxzor can double talk and change the subject? Who is really going to analyze all those stats? Who actually can? Probably the only person who would pay attention to this kind of information is Grand Master Scrotum-Hack himself who would use the info to improve his lame-ass little hacks. Most people will just see pages of shit talk on a forum and shrug their shoulders (oh and ofc tupac would read every nerdy number too ;) ). Should I spend hours analyzing and detecting one type of hack? Why? So some people make up new smurf names for a while and develop other hacks? So I can waste my life writing another program so the non-nerds can see the next hack? What if people are actually embarassed enough to quit? Then what?
 
I don't want to expose anyone. The game is nearly dead as it is. If it wasn't for this bunch of hacking assholes there wouldn't be anyone left to play with. Half of you are my friends, the other half are complete tossers but at least you play WC2. If I don't know all your AKAs it's because you mean that little to me that I've never bothered looking them up.

This thread is not about accusing or exposing anyone. OMG szwag hacks! pfff anybody who doesn't already know that hasn't bothered reading this far. Yes he pissed me off. As "Grand Master" hacker he should have better manners and not act like trailer-trash, but the thing that really started this thread happened about a week earlier. It was this:

There was a new player playing gow. Not a total noob, he understood the game. I think he was an old player who had come back to check out the server. He starts complaining that the guy rushing him is hacking. I tell him to STFU because he's just a noob and doesn't understand how good players build... the usual.... but his reply surprised me. It wasn't just crying he simply said that it was impossible to have that many grunts (think it was 8?) that early in the game. I still told him to shut up... but actually I noticed it did seem strange, so I checked it out and sure enough, his opponent was just flooding him with impossible grunts. Why? Because the guy was a nobody so his opponent thought it was ok to not "click twice like a gentleman".

The point is the new guy played another couple of games and I never saw him again. Could have been another player who came back to the fold, but instead he was just yet another person who checked it out then said, "what a bunch of hackers" and went and played something else. He won't be back, and so our game dies. We are killing it.

Actually in off-the-record candid conversations with people, there seems to be a bit of support for the notion that hacking shouldn't be allowed in tournaments. I think the opposite: all you 'good' people go hack the crap out of each other in the tourneys. LEAVE THE NOOBS ALONE. Have some common sense and work it out you bunch of dopamine junkies. You are killing your own supply.

But it seems like most people just want to keep using the hacks. Actually I'm kind of relieved. I don't really need a heap of extra work to do, but if this community could actually come together and decide they wanted to fix the game I would fix the security.
                                                                                                                           :critter:
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Player on December 28, 2017, 11:53:09 PM
Interesting.  I've played a few games of Warcraft 2 over the years and have never experienced the feeling that someone was using a bot to build/make units at an impossible rate in normal games (classic maps and chop).  It could be that I'm just so good I don't notice that kind of cheating though. 

I will say I've notived the double click bs where people lust incredibly fast, but that's not as extreme as you describe.  I've also been in some BGH free games where I'm pounding the keyboard and mouse at an incredible rate (at least 15,000 APM) and my opponent is cranking out 46 times my units from the same amount of barracks which has to be a macro.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 12:28:42 AM
...where I'm pounding the keyboard and mouse at an incredible rate (at least 15,000 APM) and my opponent is cranking out 46 times my units from the same amount of barracks which has to be a macro.

HAHAHA you're funny too ;D Nice

BTW: not sure how current you are.... it is quite possible to glitch the build/train initiation times so your units finish much faster. Even if it's dialed down to a modest amount so it's not too obvious, the exponential growth nature of the game means it adds up to a huge advantage.... its not so much the 46x as many ogres(macros ofc)... its the effect 5 or 10% faster peon production has on the growth j-curve.


Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 12:49:59 AM
I will say I've notived the double click bs where people lust incredibly fast, but that's not as extreme as you describe.

Without having ever tried it I don't think the advantage of using a double-clicker on lusting is that extreme that it would be definatively noticable in-game, although I guess it would help if you were used to it.

Impretty sure the BGH n/a etc. lust macro that gets used is an autoit script that works something like this:

- get 9 ogres make them stand in a square then select the middle ogre
- start the script (hotkey) then the script hits the "centre on unit" F-key, followed by [ B ] dbl-click [ B ] dbl-click etc. in a square pattern.

Because the screen is automatically centred on the 9 ogres the mouse-click co-ordinates are always the same so they can just be hard coded into the script. Standard script-kiddie crap.... never done it, but if it's not that it's something very similar.

I've seen people obviously using a gaming mouse with built in auto-clicker for microing units... attacking with grunts ... peons in chop this kind of stuff. I'm actually tempted to try that next time I've got spare cash to waste on a fancy mouse. Looks useful.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 04:17:03 AM
https://youtu.be/yH_XFIDZTnQ?t=2m1s
this is the one rax bug that gives some advantage in free maps. too lazy to make calculations, but maybe 30%?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 04:18:20 AM
i dont believe in your theory that "script for chop mad is godlike, therefore everyone beating it is just using better hax". chop mad is a relatively easy map, yet only one guy really reached my level there, and i could still beat him by using my supreme unit control. oh, and i was legit, so was my enemy

maybe retards like... uhh what was his name, the waterknights macro guy... zeromus, yeah zeromus. maybe retards like zeromus would use some kind of lame ass macro but he was a newbie in all customs, so macros clearly didnt help

still, i was extremely rude to players and when i knew i could get away with it, i was also destroying my fort and rebuilding hall, i dont think they appreciated my humor.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 29, 2017, 05:26:46 AM
im still waiting for my hacks.....
guess u are mad casue some1 saw it XD
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on December 29, 2017, 10:32:57 AM
https://youtu.be/yH_XFIDZTnQ?t=2m1s
this is the one rax bug that gives some advantage in free maps. too lazy to make calculations, but maybe 30%?

Didn't I teach you that claw? You couldn't get it to work at first then 30 minutes later you figured it out? I also show you, you can do it with mages? Anyways I turn that into a hack now lol!!!
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 11:11:14 AM
dont think you showed me that, you only explained how to do it with your sub-par english (which is better now, so congrats, clearly you can finally afford college). and yes, you told me about turning that into a hack as well, which is strong in maps with only 1 barracks and no possibility of building another one
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 11:50:09 AM
chop mad is a relatively easy map, yet only one guy really reached my level there, and i could still beat him by using my supreme unit control. oh, and i was legit, so was my enemy

Yes kids. For anybody who doesn't know the "Chop Mad" mad was purpose built for scripting. The spots are the same width as the screen you can build without having to move the screen offset. It's a see who can build the best macro competition, which is fine.

still, i was extremely rude to players and when i knew i could get away with it, i was also destroying my fort and rebuilding hall, i dont think they appreciated my humor.

Bahahahahah. Build hacks? How noobish. I didn't know you stooped that low. Destroying your fort and rebuilding hall would result in such a huge loss of gold that you could never beat anyone good. ROTF  ;D

.... it is quite possible to glitch the build/train initiation times so your units finish much faster.
anyone else notice how claw tries to distract the conversation when he gets uncomfortable ;D

Hehe. IDC ... I'm just an offering to fix it, thats all. I expect that the result of this thread will be nothing... which mean everyone just keeps hacking and nobody really cares.

im still waiting for my hacks.....
guess u are mad casue some1 saw it XD


What does this barely literate attempt at english mean? That you accused me of some shit and now you want me to provide proof? pfff you were the one who started the accusations, not me.

.... and I dont have to prove it because everyone already knows it.

Bahahahaha.... it's ok, relax. Nothing will happen.
 
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 11:58:13 AM
Oh and if anyone is actually reading this the whole "one rax" thing is just a smokescreen - it's not relevant to anything.

This is just claw trying to distract you. Next he will probably start saying a bunch of racist stuff and hope people talk about that.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 29, 2017, 12:05:18 PM
I didnt say u are hacker, i said u are using macro for lusting ogres and i gave u topic! when yamon saw that also one year ago,

u said im hacker so im waiting for any proof about my hacks,

maybe lets play "better game" if u wont find u will get banned if u find i will get banned
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 12:52:38 PM
Bahahahahah. Build hacks? How noobish. I didn't know you stooped that low. Destroying your fort and rebuilding hall would result in such a huge loss of gold that you could never beat anyone good. ROTF  ;D
thats neither funny nor smart. sir, are you truly mad?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: FlyDude on December 29, 2017, 03:09:20 PM
I didnt say u are hacker, i said u are using macro

If one is able to apply a macro, and that is a hack, then that individual who may benefit from the use thereof is a hackER.

Now, I understand that some people like to migrate the definitions of terms, but language is important.

So yes, you are calling people hackers.

And, you are correct.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 03:40:34 PM
thats neither funny nor smart. sir, are you truly mad?

Nah its hell funny ;D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 03:44:48 PM
maybe lets play "better game" if u wont find u will get banned if u find i will get banned

LMAO so is that a YES vote of a NO vote? hmm?



The point is I dont want u banned. I would prefer u stopped hacking, but wvr.

As I keep saying: we dont have enough players left. Why would u want me banned?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 03:46:44 PM
anyway this quote is truly disturbing
Quote
Yes kids. For anybody who doesn't know the "Chop Mad" mad was purpose built for scripting. The spots are the same width as the screen you can build without having to move the screen offset. It's a see who can build the best macro competition, which is fine.
do you seriously think that everyone better than you or your script is a macro hacker? what a tard, lol. I mean its one thing to be bad, its another thing to be too bad to even comprehend that others may do better. Youre not a horse looking at a slightly faster horse, youre an ostrich looking at an airplane
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 03:59:17 PM
anyway this quote is truly disturbing
Quote
Yes kids. For anybody who doesn't know the "Chop Mad" mad was purpose built for scripting. The spots are the same width as the screen you can build without having to move the screen offset. It's a see who can build the best macro competition, which is fine.
do you seriously think that everyone better than you or your script is a macro hacker? what a tard, lol. I mean its one thing to be bad, its another thing to be too bad to even comprehend that others may do better. Youre not a horse looking at a slightly faster horse, youre an ostrich looking at an airplane

You are seriously asking if I think that anyone who can build faster than a bit that can do 20 things at once is hacking?

LOL



YES
Anyone who can build faster than a bot that can do 20 things at once is hacking.



OH.... you said  "macro" ahhh no thats your qualification. pfff. You think because I don't hack that I cant hack? I'd rather fix the game than break it. That's what this poll is about. If the community decides that they want your 'AIRPLANE' then maybe I'll play too. Won't that be fun?

You really think I don't understand ngk~laalaa's method of issuing commands? LOL no mate, I just have a LIFE.

...and when was it that this airplane ever beat my ostrich? Last I checked you were still dodging ;D

Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 04:00:42 PM
srsly
(http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/assets/images/current-products/767.jpg)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 05:40:05 PM
srsly
([url]http://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/assets/images/current-products/767.jpg[/url])

Really? Cool you have been busy.

Have you worked out how to get units to attack the opponent with the lowest HP yet?

and lets have an ostrich vs airplane MAD challenge then. I'm game. How about it?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 05:48:55 PM
im constantly saying i dont hack, youre constantly saying you will hack HARDER than me, all that while making rage-threads about stopping all the hacks seconds AFTER you've been caught hacking
youre scared ostrich on a concrete sidewalk

if that is a legit challenge and not preparation for hackfest (im sure its the latter), theres nothing to prove by me. i was objectively the best chop mad player with a very close 2nd place. then, there was a bunch of really good guys, then some above average guys, then ch0ppy, and then 95% of community who were trash and thought theyre good because they beat ch0ppy (its like beating arrow in archers friends)
are you even good these days? I only remember you being semi-ok at chop and perhaps chop_mad
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 06:09:06 PM
im constantly saying i dont hack, youre constantly saying you will hack HARDER than me, all that while making rage-threads about stopping all the hacks seconds AFTER you've been caught hacking
youre scared ostrich on a concrete sidewalk.... rage cry I'm scared I have 10 different personalities

Hehe there's no rage mate. I just explained my bot, which is not a secret ..... in fact it was your idea was it not? I know that was just a cover because you hoped I would explain stuff to your noob ass. I'm not that silly. I gave you one little trinket as a test and you failed the test so you get nothing more.

It's an offer to stop the hacks not a threat. It's dependant on the server operator and the community deciding that's what they wnat to do.

But as you say that my bot is an ostrich compared to your airplane then lets see.... but of course you keep dodging. What kind of airplane can't beat an ostrich? srsly? The bot certianly isn't anything fancy. I think I spent 2 afternoons messing with it then another one when I changed it to 2hall. IDK maybe you'll win, no big deal but it might be fun. At least I'm not too scared to try it out.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 06:21:04 PM
i think you just fail to comprehend that one can play, be good at & enjoy chop_mad
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 06:26:32 PM
and yes, chop mad bot is a great idea. how about this! a chop mad hostbot, which waits for the player AND THEN for a command! the commands? just a number from 1-10 being difficulty! possible to see your progress, competition in a "dead" map. so awzum

why does dirty lambchop have the need to use his filthy hax in a regular match vs poor szwagier instead? must be no self-control. if you were given one large bag of ostrich food, you would eat it within one meal
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 06:38:23 PM
Why does dirty lambchop have the need to use his filthy hax in a regular match vs poor szwagier.....


ROTFLMFAO ;D Hahaha you really are funny sometimes. I wish you were this funny more often. srsly. Priceless ;D


Unfortunately it's still a BIG FAT DODGE



(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/07/Legal_Eagle_Ultralight.jpg)


Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 29, 2017, 06:47:14 PM
maybe lets play "better game" if u wont find u will get banned if u find i will get banned

LMAO so is that a YES vote of a NO vote? hmm?



The point is I dont want u banned. I would prefer u stopped hacking, but wvr.

As I keep saying: we dont have enough players left. Why would u want me banned?


ofc u can vote, if u are saying no , u got no proof i got hack, if u  yes u got proof of my hacking

its simple, both we know u got nothing but lets make still shittalk, cause i saw your lusting 5 ogres less 1 sec and u have(had?) got macro not me
 wvr? what is that

I want ban you cause u accuse my good name, when i know i never hack, but u had macro and u mad about it that




Since u got lot of my POV i want see your, maybe lets play 1x1 chop gow? anything where u can make ogres with lust

I still got no idea why admins all this topic

If u got any proof of some1 hacking say it and lets ban all hackers
if u got 0 just stfu
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 29, 2017, 06:49:57 PM
LAMBCHOPS = filthy haxer using lusthax. possibly mixed-race
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 07:15:42 PM
LAMBCHOPS = filthy haxer using lusthax. possibly mixed-race

This is just claw trying to distract you. Next he will probably start saying a bunch of racist stuff and hope people talk about that.

ROTF ;D pwnt

Since you asked: I'm an Australian, my parents are Australians. We are all "mixed race" here mein fuhrer ;)

maybe lets play 1x1 chop gow?

No thanks - I concede. You could probably beat me even without the hacks. Makes me wonder why you want to keep them so bad.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 29, 2017, 08:03:16 PM
LAMBCHOPS = filthy haxer using lusthax. possibly mixed-race

This is just claw trying to distract you. Next he will probably start saying a bunch of racist stuff and hope people talk about that.

ROTF ;D pwnt

Since you asked: I'm an Australian, my parents are Australians. We are all "mixed race" here mein fuhrer ;)

maybe lets play 1x1 chop gow?

No thanks - I concede. You could probably beat me even without the hacks. Makes me wonder why you want to keep them so bad.

its not about who win i want see your pov lol

anyway i think u should got punishment about saying i hack without any proofs, but guess admins tolerate this

anyway2 u are to bad even with macro hack to beat most players from tier3 so guess u are allowed to use it so sad lol
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 08:54:24 PM
its not about who win i want see yout pov lol

anyway i think u should got punishment about saying i hack without any proofs, but guess admins tolerate this

I didn't really say "you hack", I called you:

big-mouthed Polack
the biggest hacker on the server
a hypocritical douche
Grand Master Micropenis Script-Kiddie
Grand Master Hakkity Haxzor
 ;D ;D ;D

... and you think I deserve "punishment" for your wounded pride? Bahahahaha.... HOW BIG IS YOUR EGO?
Where is your proof for your DUMBASS 'doubleclick' accusations? Should you be banned?

Szwagier:
"I never hack but you hack but we shouldn't stop the hacks because you can't prove I hack"


LMAO Do you try this stuff out in your head before you write it? How does it sound?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 10:30:29 PM
Ohhhh.... my 'pov' ... like warvid or something? What are you expecting to see? HAHA None of that rubbish here mate.

Here's a vid of me totally 100% legit doing a chop mad build. This build sacrifices a bit of speed for extra gold.

No bots involved... I'm just really really good.... no seriously... prove it  ;D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 29, 2017, 10:50:42 PM
anyway2 u are to bad even with macro hack to beat most players from tier3

Exactly (ignoring your 'macro' accusation) look at my last post then ask yourself: if I decided to hack in games would my stats be 2324-3086-66?

I actually enjoy playing WC2. Perhaps I am a lazy player, but you can record my games with Insight any time and you will see I never chop exactly the same way twice. It's all done by hand with a normal 2-button mouse. How about you? ;)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Cel on December 29, 2017, 11:37:38 PM
I know I might get bashed but here is a new comer point of view for what it is worth:
I am not long back on the server I do love the game and I am very happy I get to play and have fun on it again though I think I can give another perspective to that matter:

Even though hacks exists and people might use them which is disrespectful and denotes a clear brain deficiency if you ask me.
War2 is not the only rts/competitive game out there that is hackable look at Starcraft for example, there are things you can prevent and things you will never reliably catch (like macros) the question is how it is handled overall how big of a drama it makes.

Let's look at the big picture now war2.ru is roughly <100 players online at its best hours.
We want more players right? Players especially new players they want to have fun they want to play an old game and enjoy their time doing it they want to play too.
Sometime they are good most of the time they are pretty bad lets be honest here not every one played the game before.
The point is there is one thing that I am pretty sure of: negative attitudes, elitism, aggressiveness, and accusations of hacking these just look terrible from outside, that just does not sound fun at all.
Knowing this is a freaking 20 years old game that not more that 100 people on the whole planet play at one point in time. How bad do you want to win knowing how worth is the competition from that perspective anyway?

Let's take a guess on effects of our actions/talking on the server and its players:
By complaining and spamming a guy that you legit think is hacking on war2bne channel or insulting someone publicly what are the odds the guy was actually really hacking and if he was how much is that going to help the case vs how much are you harming the fun of everyone else on that channel by whining about it or bringing that up?
Now consider you've been insulting/spamming/whining about it for about 10 min (sometimes its even more) on that public channel or stream or video you were on.
How likely are you going to catch the attention of a new player that will read that and think that the game is straight broken and full of hackers, or that it is full of whiny/bad mannered people and in both cases come to the conclusion that it's not fun or worth downloading do you think?

More than fixing hacking I would recommend fixing attitudes and by that I don't mean new rules and stuff I mean just people trying to behave and have fun.
So far I think I only played one game with a hacker inside it who actually said he had a hack from the very beginning and he was actually terrible and he lost it because he was also very new.
I am not going to lie I laughed my ass off. And for all other games I played, I never felt like I was cheated on, maybe I was and in all honesty, I don't really care I had fun playing most of them that's the point isn't it?!?

Now about welcoming new players and having fun doing it:
When they are totally new sometimes I just put them in a team as a bonus and sometimes you don't even see one grunt from them (actually happened on HSC the guy just played sim city while the rest played normally I think Yamon was in that game which was a pretty fun game series)
I think bringing/allowing new players in your games that do play horribly bad might teach you something else about the many ways to have fun, these guys they just want to have fun, sometimes you are in imbalanced team with good players and you face new/bad players, in this case just make freaking skeletons and rangers and forbid yourself ogers for example give them a chance.
Trust me you will have much funnier games if you don't always play for the win but try to make up rules to balance things up and make the game fun for everyone.
And yes you can say that with smurfs its hard to balance, we never know players level we could though make a elo based on IP addresses and bla bla bla but you know what? Most of the time people are honest on their skill levels and if they are not well you play one game and you are fixed, usually its fast and the next game you pretty much know what you are dealing with.

So yeah conclusion hacks exists yup that's sad. Now what? Do we really want to keep complaining about something that is barely noticeable by most of the player base in a public and loud way?
Does it do the game, the server and all of what is fun about it really justice?
Or shall we all try to handle these problems in a more mature way to make sure it is not overshadowing all good the game has to offer for new comers?

(this reply is not about that forum post in particular more about hacking and the way it comes up in general)

Love and baguettes <3

 :critter:
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 30, 2017, 12:18:37 AM
here is a new comer point of view...

I absolutely agree. I am already planning to ask the forum admins to delete this thread later (once everyone has had their say) precisely so it does not cast the server in a bad light for newcomers.

Some info you may or may not be aware of:

I'm a regular player, not a very big deal around here as far as 'pro' players are concerned.

Szwagier aka u8t3io3p who is the current tournament winner of just about everything and has the "Grand Master" tag decided to accuse me of hacking for reasons best known to himself.

I also happen to be a reasonably experience programmer, and AFAIK I have a better understanding of the internals of the Warcraft II program than anyone else still playing.

This thread is about a genuine offer to stop the hacking, which I am pretty confident I can do. The point of it is not about accusing and/or insulting anyone (that's just a bonus ;) ). It's about the very genuine question of whether the majority of players would like the hacking to stop.

Sadly I think the answer is no :(

You mentioned starcraft which is an excellent example. SC1 got TOTALLY hacked (mostly by the Koreans), in the end there were starcraft bot leagues which were 100% AI vs AI - that in itself sounds like awesome fun, but unfortunately it totally destroyed the game for any genuine human players because it became impossible to get a fair game.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 30, 2017, 02:20:54 AM
I'm a regular player
who happens to help himself in boring repetetive actions like lusting with his macrohax framework! NOT NICE!
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 30, 2017, 04:18:04 AM
So i want your pov where u can Lust and u are giving me Chop mad, lol, record on go where u are lusting ogres
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 30, 2017, 06:00:19 AM
it really goes to show how confused lambchops is and how right eleison was about projection - if youre the hacker, youre WAY more likely to think/accuse others of doing the same
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on December 30, 2017, 10:49:07 AM
Been following this thread for a bit.
Looks like this started a couple days ago when Lambchops and u8 were in a 3v3 gow game I was hosting. Lamb was at 5 and u8 was at 11. u8 went to attack Lamb at 5 and saw him Lust with the double click macro and called him out on it. u8 also made a thread here,

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3765.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3765.0.html)

This whole issue with double click macro was addressed months ago in this thread

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2154.msg37404.html#msg37404 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2154.msg37404.html#msg37404)

Double click macro was readily available in the download section of the server. After some deliberation it was decided to be cheating and was then removed.
Using a double click macro is considering cheating but it's not an offence that warrants a ban.
There is currently no way to prove someone is programming a key to create macros.

Lamb is saying this-

I'm saying this game is full of people hacking. Many of them are people I like. Can't really blame people for wanting to stay competetive. I can provide a full analysis of what everyone is doing - but I dont want to spoil the game. If more people are happy to keep hacking then whatever, I think it's a mistake but  hf.


I disagree with the assessment that "most players" on the server are hacking however I accept that our AH isn't that great and can be bypassed.

The current anti-hack does not even disable the warcrap map hack


That is incorrect I believe. The current AH does detect all the hacks from warcrap provided someone isn't using the old
 war2 CD rom.

TBH one of the main factors in I stopped developing the anti-hack was that as far as I could tell, nobody just wanted to stop the hacking, they wanted to let people hack but have proof. Four years later when the the anti-hack project was finally completed and it doesn't seem to do anything much. Can anyone explain to me why the EF_GAMEBOT makes games all day with a nice green [AH] next to it's name?


Lance was the one that created the EF_GAMEBOT it is meant to host games for players who are brand new to the server and don't know how to host games. At one point anyone could whisper the bot and request a game to be made.(idk if this is still possible.)


The current AH does do something. Are there ways around it sure. IL is fairly busy however he has indicated he is willing to accept help from outside sources to speed things along.
If you are able to make a better AH I invite you to do just that. Idk what happened 4 years ago but I will tell you if you are able to make a better AH the community would love to see it.

Finally I will say there is no actual proof u8 hacks.
Players are allowed to voice suspicions of top players however without actual evidence it doesn't make sense to continually voice their suspicions. 
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 30, 2017, 11:10:57 AM
it really goes to show how confused lambchops is and how right eleison was about projection - if youre the hacker, youre WAY more likely to think/accuse others of doing the same

LOL Why are you here?

Why as soon as the subject of hacking comes up are you always here?

The most infamous hacker in the history of the game, and you're always defending anyone who buys your bullshit.

Everybody knows. I'm offering to stop you. It's up to the community to decide if they want that or not.

dont believe in your theory that "script for chop mad is godlike, therefore everyone beating it is just using better hax". chop mad is a relatively easy map, yet only one guy really reached my level there, and i could still beat him by using my supreme unit control. oh, and i was legit

So you are the best MAD player ever. I have just provided an example of what it takes to be competetive with pros. But you are better, and it's all legit?  ;D Nobody believes that.

If you are producing hacks you are far more likely to defend the hackers.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: easycompany on December 30, 2017, 11:17:57 AM
EF_GAMEBOT yeah u can whisper it to start...read the commands somewhere in this forum.

hats off to lance for making that!

lamb and swaz like dam dudes this is to much energy save it for someone like dellam.

wish i could play but i cant..mommy said it was the devil  >:D
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: ~ToRa~ on December 30, 2017, 11:22:44 AM
I can totally dissect every single stat of every building from the moment it's placed, and every unit from the moment it is created. I can watch the internal state of every peon as it leaves a mine, returns to a hall, transitions to inside the hall and drops its gold then leaves the hall and heads back to the mine. I can watch the targets of every grunt change from one unit to the next. I can see the planned pathing of every unit 20 steps ahead of where It decides what to do (yes it is 20 steps). I can track the training progress of every unit in real time as it is being trained ...... and I can dump all of this to a file 10 times a second .... IDK probably 50 times a second, but what's the point?

You would be surprised how many top players have actually done just this. I remember Shotgun once quizzing me asking "how many bags of gold are in 12.""How long does it take for 2 to run out." Players do actually fight down to the steps of peons.

 
There was a new player playing gow. Not a total noob, he understood the game. I think he was an old player who had come back to check out the server. He starts complaining that the guy rushing him is hacking. I tell him to STFU because he's just a noob and doesn't understand how good players build... the usual.... but his reply surprised me. It wasn't just crying he simply said that it was impossible to have that many grunts (think it was 8?) that early in the game. I still told him to shut up... but actually I noticed it did seem strange, so I checked it out and sure enough, his opponent was just flooding him with impossible grunts. Why? Because the guy was a nobody so his opponent thought it was ok to not "click twice like a gentleman".

Well that's unfortunate always sucks to see a new players come and leave shortly after. 
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 30, 2017, 12:05:29 PM
The current AH does do something. Are there ways around it sure. IL is fairly busy however he has indicated he is willing to accept help from outside sources to speed things along.
If you are able to make a better AH I invite you to do just that. Idk what happened 4 years ago but I will tell you if you are able to make a better AH the community would love to see it.

Finally I will say there is no actual proof u8 hacks.
Players are allowed to voice suspicions of top players however without actual evidence it doesn't make sense to continually voice their suspicions. 

For an AH to have any real effect, it has to be mandatory. The server must refuse to let other clients connect.

I don't want to spoil everyone's fun. If more people want to hack, then so be it - HF. I also don't want to waste my time if the server is going to selectively whitelist players. If anyone has concerns about my playing they can always contact me, I'm quite approachable.

Of course I know what the gamebot does. It's a nice idea although it rarely, if ever, gets used. My (rhetorical) question was why, when it is clearly a bot being controlled by a script does it get cleared by the AH?

I don't continually accuse people. In fact I pretty much NEVER accuse people. There was one guy a while ago who was mapping and being an ass about it, but as I said at the time it was more because he was being an ass about it then because he was a nooby map hacker. This thread was prompted by Grand Master Heinrich Haxzalot accusing me.

Its only been a few days, and some people may be away for the silly season so once everyone has a chance to decide what they want this thread can be deleted (or not, idc) and I will go back to shutting the hell up about it and either work on fixing the AH or not.

TBH I'm kind of hoping I don't have to do it because it's a lot of work and I have pleanty of other things I'd rather be doing, but if it comes down to it I will. So really Mr. Claw, it's in your best interests to just stfu and hope this goes away eh?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Player on December 30, 2017, 12:32:55 PM
The decision has been made, fix the AH!
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 30, 2017, 01:04:56 PM
You would be surprised how many top players have actually done just this. I remember Shotgun once quizzing me asking "how many bags of gold are in 12.""How long does it take for 2 to run out." Players do actually fight down to the steps of peons.

Really? Well like I say, I don't want to spoil anyone's fun ;) I'm surprised because every time I chat to a wannabe hacker the first thing they want to know is how to find out where all the units are... and no I don't tell them. I also don't talk about anything people share with me in confidence, if I did this would have been a much shorter conversation. If people know how to access all the info why would anyone be relying on gold counting to get info on other players' troop production? I'm happy to play the game, provided we all agree on what the game is.

I'd have to think that surely there's 600 bags of gold in 12. Each bag removes 100 gold regardless of the amount of tech bonus recieved when you drop them off. Of course this assumes that you only remove each bag from the mine once. A better question might be how much gold can you get out of 12? This depends on when you upgrade, what the tech bonuses are and how many times you drop each bag of gold off at your hall.

Actually I saw a classic micro fail the other day, made me LMAO. Early in a gow game. 12 had rushed grunts into 2's gold line. The guy defending 2 got a grunt and was trying to kill off the couple of attackers that were left. He was doing ok until he accidentally killed one of his own peons that was walking past with a bag of gold. Honestly I nearly fell out of my seat laughing.

wish i could play but i cant..mommy said it was the devil  >:D
Awww....  your mommy's mean :(
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Lambchops on December 30, 2017, 01:40:32 PM
Ok well at this point I'll sign off from this discussion.

Admins feel free to delete this thread, when and if you feel that is appropriate. I think it's probably for the best.

You know how to get in touch with me if you want to proceed. You can message me through the forum or via my personal email. TBH I probably check the forum more often so you can PM me here and tell me to check my email if you want.

 :critter:
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on December 30, 2017, 02:52:45 PM
We were in same team and i was watching him how he is lusting, almost like pc
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 30, 2017, 02:56:55 PM
So you are the best MAD player ever. I have just provided an example of what it takes to be competetive with pros. But you are better, and it's all legit?  ;D Nobody believes that.
yes, we know. hence the ostrich and airplane analogy, which you failed to grasp (and thought its some sort of hax comparison)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on December 30, 2017, 02:57:48 PM
been inactive for like 1-2 years and people had already forgotten i was an absolute chopchop monster, disgraceful ostrich.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on December 31, 2017, 11:46:45 AM
You would be surprised how many top players have actually done just this. I remember Shotgun once quizzing me asking "how many bags of gold are in 12.""How long does it take for 2 to run out." Players do actually fight down to the steps of peons.

Really? Well like I say, I don't want to spoil anyone's fun ;) I'm surprised because every time I chat to a wannabe hacker the first thing they want to know is how to find out where all the units are... and no I don't tell them. I also don't talk about anything people share with me in confidence, if I did this would have been a much shorter conversation. If people know how to access all the info why would anyone be relying on gold counting to get info on other players' troop production? I'm happy to play the game, provided we all agree on what the game is.

I'd have to think that surely there's 600 bags of gold in 12. Each bag removes 100 gold regardless of the amount of tech bonus recieved when you drop them off. Of course this assumes that you only remove each bag from the mine once. A better question might be how much gold can you get out of 12? This depends on when you upgrade, what the tech bonuses are and how many times you drop each bag of gold off at your hall.

Actually I saw a classic micro fail the other day, made me LMAO. Early in a gow game. 12 had rushed grunts into 2's gold line. The guy defending 2 got a grunt and was trying to kill off the couple of attackers that were left. He was doing ok until he accidentally killed one of his own peons that was walking past with a bag of gold. Honestly I nearly fell out of my seat laughing.

wish i could play but i cant..mommy said it was the devil  >:D
Awww....  your mommy's mean :(


Found it!!! I can now find all units and x and y positions. Really easy to reverse out if you make a custom map. Now real game playing bots can be made on my end. I need to write an array now to send mouse clicks and keys while looping through each unit.

😈😈😈😈
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: easycompany on December 31, 2017, 03:34:02 PM
we need some mem exe over riding the exe..shit i cant do that..then we can hopefully add more stuff to the engine.

yall all entered the dark side shame on you all...well happy news years!
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tk[as] on January 01, 2018, 10:42:47 AM
Chop mad.. E.z. map. If claw was the best its because nobody good played it more than a couple times a month
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 01, 2018, 11:02:10 AM
If claw was the best
i was!1 and idk - i pretty much crushed everyone on archers.. on mad i was much better (+way more practice)

why do you keep barking, is that because i once raped your newbie ass in series 7-1 or what
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tk[as] on January 01, 2018, 11:15:29 AM
Its because you literally showed me hacks you were working on (and some successfully), and then hype yourself up like you win solely on skill.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 01, 2018, 11:41:42 AM
yes.
logic of the noggers here:
"i have 1 million dollars!"
"prove it by spending it right now, otherwise you lie!"
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 01, 2018, 11:42:13 AM
tk youre literally a zero in w2, you havent accomplished shit so even a super worthless title like "best chop mad player ever" is tempting for ya
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tk[as] on January 01, 2018, 06:41:19 PM
Cant believe u called me a zero @ war2.. U could have said anything in the world but you pulled the "you're a nobody in this game!" card. That hurts claw. Bad.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 02:28:04 AM
lets just put aside the meanie factor and focus on facts. that was a fact, even if it isnt meanie meanie to you
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tk[as] on January 02, 2018, 07:53:08 AM
And I'm just sticking to the facts when I say that you created undetectable hacks and showed them to me
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 08:06:13 AM
yes, thats totally accurate. its the second part of your previous post that was bullshit
"and then hype yourself up like you win solely on skill."
because I totally did - i am... was extremely skilled on certain custom mapz

stick to the facts and suddenly we will come to an understanding. simple!!









selling hax for penis pics
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on January 02, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
And I'm just sticking to the facts when I say that you created undetectable hacks and showed them to me
Enlighten us all on the hacks you seen. I will patch them so he can't hack no more.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 10:52:07 AM
And I'm just sticking to the facts when I say that you created undetectable hacks and showed them to me
Enlighten us all on the hacks you seen. I will patch them so he can't hack no more.

try patching literally anything first, LOL

every single hack on the planet still works on war2.ru
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on January 02, 2018, 12:59:27 PM
And I'm just sticking to the facts when I say that you created undetectable hacks and showed them to me
Enlighten us all on the hacks you seen. I will patch them so he can't hack no more.

try patching literally anything first, LOL

every single hack on the planet still works on war2.ru
So stupid rofl! They might work but il has your info logged. He hasn't implemented an auto ban, and not telling the user it's detected is smart. So now you don't know if the anti hack knows about your hacks :)


Oh and to bust your bubble if you played war2 on your aka, then changed ip and new aka he writes to the registry so he can determine its you still LOOL to properly dodge it.


1. New install of Windows
2. New IP
3. New aka
4. Not sure if he is logging any hardware. So to be 100% safe new machine or VM!


So if you have hacked and not done the 4 things above he knows ;)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 01:01:28 PM
cool, so is anything i said wrong? nope
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on January 02, 2018, 01:05:56 PM
cool, so is anything i said wrong? nope
Reread I edited post.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tupac on January 02, 2018, 01:07:15 PM
cool, so is anything i said wrong? nope
Reread I edited post.

Lol you don't have the slightest clue do you?
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
not a single thing i said is wrong. sure lets give it 100000 more years to have a huge hax-database and THEN! oh wait iL will die from old age :(
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: I hate naggers on January 02, 2018, 03:56:59 PM
AH hasnt done literally jack shit and even fucking dellam was flagged as UNKNOWN instead of HACK, so what are we talking about here? how USEFUL it is? it doesnt even flag hacks properly. it has literally no impact on average joe THAT ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME (admins have no idea how that feels), he's still getting hacked.

power hungry h0m0z like blid may get some joy from looking at the huge, mythical database of filthy hackers, but its a shame that the AH is not mandatory, its a shame its not stopping anyone from hacking and its a shame that its not even flagging warcraps and other hackkitpros properly. All we have are unknown dellams and HACK smeagols/swifts (funny tho that two suspicious and emotional people got flagged on accident, and not a single regular guy)

things i say are obvious, are true, how come people are calling me ignorant, mad or a newbie? dumb nogger faggots. tupac youre actually black, right? that explains a lot LOL
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: tk[as] on January 02, 2018, 09:37:32 PM
Voice automated enemy starting locatuon

Re designate attacking priority .. So instead of a tower hitting a grunt first, it'll hit the peon first (not sure if that was successful)
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on January 16, 2018, 04:50:17 PM
AH hasnt done literally jack shit and even fucking dellam was flagged as UNKNOWN instead of HACK, so what are we talking about here? how USEFUL it is? it doesnt even flag hacks properly. it has literally no impact on average joe THAT ACTUALLY PLAYS THE GAME (admins have no idea how that feels), he's still getting hacked.

power hungry h0m0z like blid may get some joy from looking at the huge, mythical database of filthy hackers, but its a shame that the AH is not mandatory, its a shame its not stopping anyone from hacking and its a shame that its not even flagging warcraps and other hackkitpros properly. All we have are unknown dellams and HACK smeagols/swifts (funny tho that two suspicious and emotional people got flagged on accident, and not a single regular guy)

things i say are obvious, are true, how come people are calling me ignorant, mad or a newbie? dumb nogger faggots. tupac youre actually black, right? that explains a lot LOL

Here's the post where Il admits we weren't hacking he fucked up and caused Swift and me a bunch of drama for no reason... http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1832.msg32174.html#msg32174 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1832.msg32174.html#msg32174) There actually was a few "regular guys" Il cleared too Thaydrad, 8472, and Miron.

Also if I remember right DDecimater, Zeus, and maybe a few others were caught by the anti hack before the false positive crap started happening. When Zeus was caught he was in 45 Man PBall with me and he shot a blind shot that looked hacked so I checked anti hack and sure enough he was hacking lol.

When the anti hack flagged me with HACK I was playing a team game vs Blid and he paused and asked for SS and i provided it instantly. I've played this game so long, I play it as a way to relax and have fun I have no want or need to hack. I'm also so good at PBall I don't see why I'd need to hack.

The anti hack is definitely a broken piece of crap. It seems to have caught more people who weren't actually hacking than people who were. Also I haven't heard of it catching anyone in forever(years?). It needs to be fixed and made mandatory for everyone or it needs to be made clear it's an inaccurate piece of shit and it's results don't necessarily mean shit.
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Raz on January 18, 2018, 07:37:03 AM
Sepi, kindly letting you know that accusations probably are getting a bit out of hand; it is of course ok that you suspect these things but if you need to make public claims I think you need to do it on a base that is more solid than, as I understand, 1) poor handling of passwords, 2) someone's criminal records, of which you admit being ignorant of the specifics, 3) someone trying to access PayPal accounts through paying tournament winnings (take a minute to consider the absurdity of the latter).
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: Szwagier on January 18, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
If u got problem with ah Just delete, only u got problem with it
Maybe Just delete w2, few PPL with me will be happy

Xurnt could disapear with money many times
Title: Re: Should we stop all the hacking on this server?
Post by: BabyShark on January 18, 2018, 10:33:35 AM
No one does more for the community than XuRnT. And mousey.

He may or may not have made some mistake in the past that he's most likely learned from.

In some times and places, fornication and adultery have been crimes punishable by death.

So you likely would have received the death penalty.

I have no qualms about XuRnT having my Paypal account name and I'm actually inclined to send him the password also in case he needs anything.