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Title: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: outlaw[z] on March 24, 2019, 03:19:25 AM
Man I hate to ssay it but the server seems to have finally taken the worst collapse. Barely anyone on War2BNE channel and dwindiling games. Seems like this GOG.com releasing war2 is coming at the perfect time because I don't think the server would last that long without it.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 24, 2019, 07:22:35 AM
I don't think we should consider that some project like GOG will come and help our community.
We need to do something ourselves.

Yes, maybe GOG will help to invite somebody else, also maybe they will try to split our community.

Last unpopular activity happened here, is we lost babyshark and maybe several more active people. At least they leaved and maybe took several move players away. Even 2-3 active players is a loss for our not big community.
Unfortunately i've been very busy to take active place in that situation, i also don't speak english so good to read tons of pages to make something with such situations, but we loose people.
At least, look at top-10 posters on this forum:
most of them are eighter banned/hate us/went away, or our admins, or don't care of war2 questions at all.
I don't know if we could do something to keep them to stay here or we want to do that, but that is what happens with out community: active people just goes away from time to time, and new people are not appear here.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: outlaw[z] on March 24, 2019, 09:50:14 AM
I think maybe people have just quit playing knowing that it is going to be released there soon.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Shotgun on March 24, 2019, 11:14:59 AM
I just think most people have busy lives and children and things now. Theres still heaps of games every day to play. And I think alot of the people you think may have quit probably smurf now and then.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Shotgun on March 24, 2019, 11:15:44 AM
I don't think babyshark took any active members with her, no one liked her.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 24, 2019, 02:45:01 PM
I think maybe people have just quit playing knowing that it is going to be released there soon.
Maybe you right, who knows. At the same time i don't think GOG release will be better than current war2combat release. At least if they will make it similar to diablo release.

I don't think babyshark took any active members with her, no one liked her.
Maybe you right, but even 1 active player is a loss for our community.
The same way we lost Equinox years before, some other ways we lost several more people.
I don't mean that's our fault, we just loose active players and that's sad for community.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: woofy on March 24, 2019, 02:50:55 PM
What is gog and how will it kill combat?
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 24, 2019, 03:19:27 PM
GOG will be an officially legal war2 with ddraw.dll and other fixes for old games adatped to modern computers. They buy right to sell war2 from blizzard.
Looks like they will use their own pvpgn-server for war2-players.
Not sure if they will be happy to see concurrents like us.
Not sure what they can do with blizzard support against us.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Szwagier on March 24, 2019, 04:08:10 PM
W2 will cost 10$, thats isnt problem for person which work
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 24, 2019, 04:31:00 PM
I do log on the server every day, it’s no slower than it was a year ago.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 24, 2019, 08:57:56 PM
server took a huge hit in last 2-3 weeks. i think its weather related.

feels like we have been on the back-up server last 2-3 weeks.. not the main server.

I'm really hoping something re-energizes this game. idc what it is. if its .ru, so be it. if its GOG.. so be it.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: WarKid on March 24, 2019, 10:37:55 PM
Any clue when will GOG release WAR2??  ???
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 25, 2019, 03:34:48 AM
Looks like they will use their own pvpgn-server for war2-players.

Pretty sure we can own that server.

If we do end up playing on it, I think we need to make a clan for all the oldskool ru players, just so all the gog newbs have something to fear ;)

]RoK[RuOldsKool or something... thoughts?

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 25, 2019, 03:56:14 AM
I don't think babyshark took any active members with her, no one liked her.

LOL... actually there's a number of people who still play with BS on the usa server. I try to get over there one day a week, we usually play 2s or 3s, but occasionally 4s. They are mosty RU players.

So there's at least 7 people who are willing to go to the other server to play with her.

Are there 7 of you pissant haters left?

Pretty sure there are more people that like her than don't. Yes your little school-kid group bullying session was a major contributing factor to the current decline.

The other effect it had was I think a few people were just ashamed to be associated with such a juvenile purile group and thought OMG what am I doing with my life?

I seriously doubt you've had 7 friends in your entire life SG.

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 25, 2019, 05:11:40 AM
LOL... actually there's a number of people who still play with BS on the usa server. I try to get over there one day a week, we usually play 2s or 3s, but occasionally 4s. They are mosty RU players.

So there's at least 7 people who are willing to go to the other server to play with her.

Are there 7 of you pissant haters left?
So, that's even worse.
We got splitting the community.
And ideas why they play there? They hate our ru admins or w/e?

That's sad, BabyShark pm'ed me about problems on ru server, like some conflict with current admin team or w/e, but i've been too busy IRL to make the detailed look into the situation.
Anyway, i can't control our admins: i'm not a boss or w/e to give directives or other teammates. And i don't want to be a boss and make such relations between us.
I just hope all our admins make one big job to unite our community and make it great and friendly.

And now we have half of community on one server and another half on another one...
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 25, 2019, 06:56:27 AM
Babyshark honestly has some legitimate emotional/psychological issues. Ultimately she is the only person to blame as to why she does not play on our server anymore. The only reason other people are supporting her decision is because she is a female and they want to be a white knight.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 25, 2019, 07:44:17 AM
Babyshark honestly has some legitimate emotional/psychological issues. Ultimately she is the only person to blame as to why she does not play on our server anymore. The only reason other people are supporting her decision is because she is a female and they want to be a white knight.

OMG! You mean someone still playing a 20 year old game has psych issues? For real?!

/me swings a cat and hits 12 people who fit the same description, including himself.

Pffff. She makes games, enjoys playing them, includes everyone, makes fair teams and has a laugh. If I didn't play with people who made forum posts I disagree with I wouldn't play any games...and neither would you TK

Of all the people who talk shit to you here and vice-versa why is she singled out? Because she's female and you're a sexually frustrated nerd with a tiny penis? ... oh no wait, I must have a "white knight" complex. 

Seriously dude,  how do YOU think it's appropriate to repond to someone you say has "legitimate emotional/psychological issues"? If that's honestly what you think then go look up everything you have said to that person and seriously ask yourself if you're proud of it.

For all the good stuff she did for this community, grow up and be embarrased.

We got splitting the community.
And ideas why they play there? They hate our ru admins or w/e?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I go and play because she's a friend who likes the game and we have fun.

Honestly I wish she would soften her stance and play on ru again, I have suggested she come and smurf a bit or w/e. She says basically why should I have to hide and change my name so I don't get abused? I don't have a good answer for that.

I don't think all the things that were said and done in the end were the best thing for anyone, and obviously there was a lot of emotional stuff attached to it, but goddamn, it wasn't like it didn't go way too far for a very long time before that and so many people just piled on.

What did you all think was going to happen? Big high-5's all round and everyone looks super-cool? Hoards of people saying "Oh wow I want to be a part of this"?

FFS.



--edit--
And now we have half of community on one server and another half on another one...

Not quite. Mostly they are the same people. We organize times to go and play there. There are a few people who I only see over there, and hardly ever on ru. Probably because they don't play wc2 very often any more, but they make the effort when BabyShark organizes it .... which is exactly what this server lost when they decided to ostracise her.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: fois on March 25, 2019, 08:33:45 AM
LOL... actually there's a number of people who still play with BS on the usa server. I try to get over there one day a week, we usually play 2s or 3s, but occasionally 4s. They are mosty RU players.

So there's at least 7 people who are willing to go to the other server to play with her.

Are there 7 of you pissant haters left?
So, that's even worse.
We got splitting the community.
And ideas why they play there? They hate our ru admins or w/e?

That's sad, BabyShark pm'ed me about problems on ru server, like some conflict with current admin team or w/e, but i've been too busy IRL to make the detailed look into the situation.
Anyway, i can't control our admins: i'm not a boss or w/e to give directives or other teammates. And i don't want to be a boss and make such relations between us.
I just hope all our admins make one big job to unite our community and make it great and friendly.

And now we have half of community on one server and another half on another one...


I heard there is a newer version of pvpgn that allows you to ignore people and it doesn't reset it after a restart of a game, do you know anything about it? If such a improved version exists, any chance you could update the server with it? I think it could help to avoid such issues in the future
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 25, 2019, 08:34:47 AM
Not quite. Mostly they are the same people. We organize times to go and play there. There are a few people who I only see over there, and hardly ever on ru. Probably because they don't play wc2 very often any more, but they make the effort when BabyShark organizes it .... which is exactly what this server lost when they decided to ostracise her.


Believe it or not out of curiosity I do follow that war2usa forum and status page.
http://52.36.243.18/status.php (http://52.36.243.18/status.php)

Only people that ever play there are Ring, Tofu, lordvaras, Thegoodshepherd, letsremake, and Lambchop.
It’s the water map crowd. And they mainly play on the USA server on Friday nights, sometimes Mondays to but always after 7pm. Truthfully the only thing making people play on war2usa is Babyshark. Nobody hosts there or games there unless she personally messages them to come play a few games with her. So she hasn’t actually taken any players away from RU, since anyone that plays on war2usa comes back to RU soon as they done playing with her.

PS. I haven’t seen too many chop games on that server when it is populated.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 25, 2019, 09:04:58 AM
For all the good stuff she did for this community, grow up and be embarrased.

Please remind all what good atuff she actually did.

She makes games, enjoys playing them, includes everyone, makes fair teams and has a laugh.


She was always very choosy about who played with her and always banned anyone who she perceived to have a “bad attitude.” Most of her games had a password and were very inclusive. Which is fine. Most of our playerbase operates in the same manner. 

Probably because they don't play wc2 very often any more, but they make the effort when BabyShark organizes it .... which is exactly what this server lost when they decided to ostracise her.

Nobody is saying Babyshark can’t still play on RU. This is a game it’s not real life.
RU existed before Babyshark and it will exist after her.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 25, 2019, 12:06:13 PM
I didn't read all of that lambs. she does not handle confrontation well. at all... inline gaming is not a good place for people who are easily bothered. she brings being offended to a whole new level... and ends up being the biggest hypocrite the world has ever seen in the process.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 25, 2019, 12:08:35 PM
she definitely has good to offer the community.. but her inability to control her emotions and handle confrontational or  stressful situations in a rational manner tend to overshadow anything positive she brings to the community
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 25, 2019, 12:11:10 PM
It's only a matter of time before she (and anyone else who plays on the USA server) realize that the level of toxicity on that server has the potential to and ultimately will greatly outweigh the toxicity on the ru server

tupac is a ticking time bomb..  always has been. always will be.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 25, 2019, 05:55:41 PM
Only people that ever play there are Ring, Tofu, lordvaras, Thegoodshepherd, letsremake, and Lambchop.


Sounds like your stalking dropped off a bit after the first week ;) Off the top of my head I can think of 3 people not mentioned here, all better players than me, plus some other randoms... but YES, people do tend to smurf there - presumably because they don't want to attract the toxic response that a handfull of people on ru think is appropriate.

Truthfully the only thing making people play on war2usa is Babyshark.

My point exactly.

anyone that plays on war2usa comes back to RU soon as they done playing with her.

Not all, but yeah BS is still helping to keep the game alive for ru also.


Please remind all what good atuff she actually did.

Well like I said..
She makes games, enjoys playing them, includes everyone, makes fair teams and has a laugh.
...organizing tourneys and competitions, generally being an interesting personality ... even some fairly inspired good-humored trolling occasionally.

She was always very choosy about who played with her and always banned anyone who she perceived to have a “bad attitude.” Most of her games had a password and were very inclusive. Which is fine. Most of our playerbase operates in the same manner. 

I met BS from her hosting games and letting me play, despite the fact that I sucked at ef games and was really only there because they were fun.

I'm sure she banned you more than once. I know the two of you do not get along, which I understand. BS's rather extreme religious background is something that I like her despite of, not because of. Generally it only manifested as cut&paste type forum posts. It isn't something that she chats about while gaming. For me, that stuff is easy to ignore because religion is not something that I'm interested in, but I can understand how it could be very annoying for others.


RU existed before Babyshark and it will exist after her.

Sure, but the thing that caused her to leave is the single most damaging factor to the playerbase.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 25, 2019, 05:59:13 PM
she does not handle confrontation well.

Not everyone does.

inline gaming is not a good place for people who are easily bothered.

haha, what a quaint little notion ... it's not the 90's anymore, old guy ;)

she definitely has good to offer the community.. but her inability to control her emotions and handle confrontational or  stressful situations in a rational manner tend to overshadow anything positive she brings to the community

Yeah it's easy to paint her that way after it turned into a massive testosterone fueled dog-pile hate-fest. Yes she definitely went a bit ballistic in the end, but I don't think that is the way it had to be.

It's only a matter of time before she (and anyone else who plays on the USA server) realize that the level of toxicity on that server has the potential to...

pfff

...and ultimately will ...

lol ok Nostradamus ;)

...greatly outweigh the toxicity on the ru server

Hasn't happened yet. Don't see it happening any time soon. We all could get hit by a rogue asteroid tomorrow ... no real point here.

tupac is a ticking time bomb..  always has been. always will be.

Well Tupac is a fair but younger than me, I didn't know him well back in his bad-boy days, but these days he has a job and a life and an interest in computers. I think "ticking time bomb" is just a bit silly. I would hate to be judged by the stuff I did/said im my teens/early 20's .... how about you?


Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Winchester on March 25, 2019, 06:49:42 PM
her inability to control her emotions and handle confrontational or  stressful situations in a rational manner tend to overshadow anything positive she brings to the community

She literally harassed me in-game for weeks because I wouldn't delete a post about van pming me something because it wasn't about van harassing her on one of her van rant threads. She didn't even realize I was agreeing with her that van is toxic and that I want him to be banned just as much as she did even after telling her a thousand times. She is completely unstable, and you're right in that anything good shes done is overshadowed by her inability to control herself. And for as much as van has harassed and threatened me, i know he isnt deranged enough to actually make contact with my family or my partner.


of all the people who talk shit to you here and vice-versa why is she singled out? Because she's female and you're a sexually frustrated nerd with a tiny penis? ... oh no wait, I must have a "white knight" complex.

She is the one singling herself out actually. No one cares that shes female, she time and time again tries to bring it up though as the reasons for her criticisms which we all know she can't take.. we've had plenty of female players that are respectable and don't have the issues she claims to have with a high percentage of the player base, am I saying these problems she has aren't happening? No, am I saying they aren't a problem? No, am I saying Babyshark is having problems because she's babyshark rather then the fact that she's female? Yes. She isn't the only female player to exist on war2 and she keeps trying to pretend that she is by using this im female excuse for everything, and the fact you and her need to bring up the female card continuously just proves you are white knighting because shes female and that you're singling her out for special treatment because of it if anything and not us. She's just a unstable person in this community on the same level of a person like van. As someone who's been harrassed by both of them, i can say that they're pretty equal. Van with his detailed threats, and Babyshark with her level of paranoia combined with the fact she'll contact your family, yeah, they're pretty equal and on any other game both their actions would warrant not one, but multiple bans and mutes. If anything she is overprotected by the same people she thinks are evil and out to get her.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 25, 2019, 07:44:34 PM
Tupac DDOS'd the server like 6 months ago. He has made countless threats against other players just in the last year.. Threats along the lines of "watch wtf you say or i'll hack the shit out of you"

the ONLY reason Tupac hasn't shown his bat shit crazy side on his server yet is because he has JUST ENOUGH control of himself to know that if he does it now, it's game over for his server. But if he for 1 second thought that his server was the only option people had.. and that he were "king" you would see it come out in a heart beat. It's just who he is and always has been. He's a hot head that resorts to very serious threats/action if he feels justified in it.. and it doesn't take much for him to feel justified.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 25, 2019, 11:46:15 PM
Sounds like your stalking dropped off a bit after the first week

I’ve been keeping tabs of that server since it came out. I don’t care where people play war2 so long as they play it.
I do disagee with Xurnt that War2ru has gotten slower lately. I do log on every day and I never have a problem getting a game. If I were to get back into hosting tournaments again I’m certain War2ru would see the player base in the 80s and 90s on the weekends.

I can think of 3 people not mentioned here, all better players than me, plus some other randoms..

Fallen_solider, ryan85, deathknight. Who is counting? Not the point.
Point is players that do go to the USA server only play at the bequest of one player. They don’t go there on their own and host games. The only players that play exclusively on war2usa are probably Babyshark, TGS, and DK.



Quote from: ~ToRa~ on Today at 09:04:58 AM
Please remind all what good atuff she actually did.

Well like I said..
Quote from: Lambchops on Today at 07:44:17 AM
She makes games, enjoys playing them, includes everyone, makes fair teams and has a laugh.
...organizing tourneys and competitions, generally being an interesting personality ... even some fairly inspired good-humored trolling occasionally.

BS hosted 1 tournament at 10pm on a Monday not the greatest time to get a big turnout.(thou you in ausie land so maybe you liked the time)

As far as her being a likable player, who hosts good games and has fun with people. She has her fans for sure, with Lambchops being one of the biggest it seems. But she is predominately disliked by the majority of the player base.

I met BS from her hosting games and letting me play, despite the fact that I sucked at ef games and was really only there because they were fun.

I'm sure she banned you more than once. I know the two of you do not get along, which I understand. BS's rather extreme religious background is something that I like her despite of, not because of. Generally it only manifested as cut&paste type forum posts. It isn't something that she chats about while gaming. For me, that stuff is easy to ignore because religion is not something that I'm interested in, but I can understand how it could be very annoying for others.

As far as me disliking Babyshark goes, she is easily the most toxic forum poster on here aside maybe Equinox.
On the server side she is extremely cliquey. And she does regularly rage at people if they say something she doesn’t like. I have had her whisper me endlessly while I was on a smurf after we 1sed a few times. While I don’t personally care if a player does this to me I do find it very hypocritical when I think of who is doing it.

Sure, but the thing that caused her to leave is the single most damaging factor to the playerbase.

She left because mousetopher muted her on discord for getting into a flame war with van. I really hope you don’t believe that is the single most damaging factor to the playerbase.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tupac on March 26, 2019, 06:33:18 AM
Tupac DDOS'd the server like 6 months ago. He has made countless threats against other players just in the last year.. Threats along the lines of "watch wtf you say or i'll hack the shit out of you"

the ONLY reason Tupac hasn't shown his bat shit crazy side on his server yet is because he has JUST ENOUGH control of himself to know that if he does it now, it's game over for his server. But if he for 1 second thought that his server was the only option people had.. and that he were "king" you would see it come out in a heart beat. It's just who he is and always has been. He's a hot head that resorts to very serious threats/action if he feels justified in it.. and it doesn't take much for him to feel justified.
Really? You sound so stupid. More lies out of your mouth. Want to go back in time where you wanted me to hack the server because you resigned as admin and they didnt want to give you admin back? You was so serious! It is so dang funny.

Or what about the time you was crying come on tupac let's make a server this place is evil. Wah wah wah boo hoo wah! Jesus so much bipolar in one man.

You and such people you involved yourself created a situation you can't handle. You should learn to not drag your feet as you walk.

I've always told my crew to keep their heads up better days are among us all. You are one of the biggest 2 faced liars I have seen. You are also a huge cry baby. TuPaC hAX THeM thEy REaLLY REmOVeD mY AdMin. Wah wah wah boo hoo wahh!

It's not my problem half you, threatened, trash talked until people are discusseded just by seeing you post. People seek an alternative because they are not happy with such admins, psychopaths. What the hell did you expect? A bozobutton!?

But anyways keep up with such false accusations. I use that to fuel my drive to build another place that's better in every way possible. You think I stole your players rofl they choose to leave themselves. I have never forced anyone or blackmailed them.

Maybe I should act like burnt or cel or who ever called my employer. Maybe I should call mousey job and tell them they are hosting an illegal cracked version of a video game. Maybe I should harass and send you death threats.

Be a grown ass man and put proof in your words and not some rubbish that fell out of your ass.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 06:56:25 AM
I stopped reading after the first 2 paragraphs because both are dumb fking lies.. which even further proves my point. ur so pissed about what I said ur doing the only thing u know how to do. be a piece of shit.

The only interactions me and you ever had about being an admin on any server is when you invited me to be an admin on your server.

I have a record of being a pretty responsible admin. No abuse. No threats. No attacks. I did that for a reason. While I did not always respect some of the admins, I always respected the community. The entire time my admin was removed on the main server, and while I still wanted to be admin on the main server, they left me in admin I Believe by mistake on their backup server. Guess what I did? I told them about it. I let them know they should remove me. Even when I log on the server there was no abuse on the backup server.

 You're going to have to do better than that you toxic fuc f***
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 07:16:21 AM
In what world would hacking the server to get my admin back make ANY sense?  like.. "hey, maybe they won't notice!"  ??? lol
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 07:17:38 AM
you say/do some dumb shit tupac.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 07:29:42 AM
I do disagee with Xurnt that War2ru has gotten slower lately. I do log on every day and I never have a problem getting a game.

I agree, it has been generally a bit quieter this year, but at the times I log in not specifically quieter of late.

If I were to get back into hosting tournaments again I’m certain War2ru would see the player base in the 80s and 90s on the weekends.

I think that's a bit optomistic, but would be very happy if you proved me wrong there. Cool - do it :)

I can think of 3 people not mentioned here, all better players than me, plus some other randoms..

Fallen_solider, ryan85, deathknight. Who is counting? Not the point.

Um no actually, not those 3. I don't remember the usa AKAs because they mean little to me, but I was thinking of 3 other well known ru players who's regular ru names all of you would know well. That's just FYI, I'm not naming anyone here and it makes little difference.

The fact remains that despite the very loud and nasty hate campaign by a handfull of players here there are more players than that who are willing to log off ru and go to a different server to play with her. I think that says something.

Point is players that do go to the USA server only play at the bequest of one player.

Yes, that a good point, BS is good at organizing people and wc2 games, and I think >95% of the games on that server are a result of her organizing them.

BUT I don't go there just to play with BS, I do it (and I would guess that I speak for others here too) because it is a fun atmosphere. There is an almost total absence of any big-mouth ego nasty blah blah penis measuring competitions.

We talk in the channel and decide what map to play next, if someone isn't very happy with one map we try to play something that they like next etc.. just play games and hf, there is still pleanty of good natured banter and jokes, just no big ego wankers.... because of course all the big ego wankers won't go there, their egos wont let them ;)

Personally I have a fairly thick skin and can usually give as good as I get, so I don't have a big problem with people at ru, but it is a refreshing change of pace, quite relaxing.

As far as her being a likable player, who hosts good games and has fun with people. She has her fans for sure, with Lambchops being one of the biggest it seems.

Haha. A while back she privately said, "Thanks for sticking up for me", I replied something like "well ofc I would stick up for you, but im actually just sticking up for my beliefs".

She's a friend, definately not a saint, and as flawed as any of us are. I have had pleanty of arguments with her, privately and indeed on this forum. I most definitely do not agree with some of her personal/political opinions, I have said so very publicly and directly ..... I just never stooped to the laziness of name-calling or abuse, and she never did so in return, so despite the many ways we see the world very differently, I can respect her for that.

Actually from my standpoint you and BS are similar in that respect. I don't always agree with you, but generally I find you to be a more civilized human being than most around here. You are also a good host, and I enjoy playing games with you. I don't think you would or did just randomly hurl abuse at anyone. As an admin I do wish you had acted to stop some of the inappropriate behavior, but I can understand how you might have been too close to the issue to have a completely objective overview of it.

I have been saying for YEARS that we need to tone down the toxicity and be more inclusive to newbs, or this server - even this game - will die. I remember making a post about it on the old occult forum, back when people were still instantly banning anyone new from games, insulting them and generally being complete douchbags.

That was the norm. The respose to my thoughts was basically "well they can go find other noobs to play with, I dont want noobs messing up my games", followed by a chorus of people agreeing.... well guess what people: now its a lack of noobs messing up your games.

This is exactly what I said years ago, and many times since. I'd hate to say "I told you so", but OMFG I so told you all so. If we were cultivating new players from back then we wouldn't be where we are now.

All it takes is a little bit of etiquette. Everyone understands game etiquette, like don't build when your watching or even don't take your pard's expo because that stuff has a direct effect on individual games... but for some reason people lacked the common sense to consider that a massively toxic culture was going to have a detrimental effect on the game as a whole.

Actually I think that strangely there is a lot of nostelgia bundled with some aspects of it - people bonded over vanquishing their enemies, in game and in chat - but that is a topic for another time.

My point here is that I have always spoken out for what I believe in, and apparantly I'm better than most people at standing back and taking a broad view of what is happening to the community as a whole.

But she is predominately disliked by the majority of the player base.

Fail. That is one of the main points I am trying to make here. No she isn't. At all. There aren't even as many BS haters here as there are people willing to go to another server to play with her.

As far as me disliking Babyshark goes, she is easily the most toxic forum poster on here aside maybe Equinox.

I think that her largely cut&paste type homophobic/islamaphobic religious posts are absolutely the least attractive thing about her. I don't like that stuff, and have said so both publicly and privately. My opinion is that even with that stuff in the "con" column there is still far more in the "pro" column - and that's all the wc2 stuff also. She was raised with very strong religious beliefs, which is not something that is ever going to be easily changed, but had we looked at her as an asset to the community, then we could have all managed that situation better. As I recall, she posted far less of that sort of stuff and much more about gaming and the community before things got nasty.

and BTW I like to imagine that if a fundementalist Christian has me as a friend and talks to me, then that might make them 0.001% more tolerant .... maybe idk.... but I do know that all the name calling and toxic replies in the world will only make them dig in deeper. If I have maybe made someone inside that sort of community 0.001% more tolerant then I have had a real positive influence in the world, albeit a microscopic one.

Probably being friends BS has made me 0.001% more likely to become a Christian, I don't see it happening, but that is a win for her too. Yay! Everyone wins!

I honestly wish that more people in the world were better capable of actually furthering their beliefs rather than just shooting scorn at those who conflict with them.

I like having an eclectic mix of people in my life. I'm proud to not live in an echo chamber.

On the server side she is extremely cliquey. And she does regularly rage at people if they say something she doesn’t like.

I don't think cliquey, I could see that it might appear that way from your perspective as the two of you don't get along.

I've never seen her do what I would describe as "rage", although she can have a temper at times (so can I!) so I'm not saying it has never happened. I think I can say if it does happen then she doesn't do it very often or carry on with it for very long or I think I would have noticed.

I have had her whisper me endlessly while I was on a smurf after we 1sed a few times. While I don’t personally care if a player does this to me I do find it very hypocritical when I think of who is doing it.

SS or it never happened! ;D haha yeah I'm sure I've done that a few times over the years too, when I've been in a bad mood and someone annoyed me. Probably most people have. Not proud of it, but that's very different to having people just /w you nasty abuse for no reason over a long period of time and having most of the community either shrug their shoulders, make excuses for the abusers, or actively join in.

Sure, but the thing that caused her to leave is the single most damaging factor to the playerbase.
She left because mousetopher muted her on discord for getting into a flame war with van. I really hope you don’t believe that is the single most damaging factor to the playerbase.

Sheesh mate. You know that isn't true.

One of the saddest things about the whole situation is that somehow mousey ended up standing at ground zero when the BabyShark bomb finally reached critical mass, but quite obviously the situation was caused by an ongoing campaign of truely aweful behaviour by a handfull of nasty little boys. BTW: I have always really liked mousey, and I don't think she deserved the fall-out from that situation that she received, which I said to both of them at the time.

I don't think for an instant that somehow BS was blameless for any conflict that arose, or is some kind of saint. There are many ways she could have handled many situations better than she did, but I am quite sure that in the end the response was way over the line and it was the response of a clique against an individual, and was truely nasty bullying (much as I hate to use the now incredibly over-used 'B' word) that was allowed to continue for far longer than it should have. Actually as I recall blid had just stepped in and (quite rightly) told everyone to back off and go back to their respective corners, but apparantly the whole thing was already past the point of no return.

Every noob we lost to big-mouth ego heads over the years was a loss to the server and the game.

Losing BS was a HUGE loss.... and she really loves wc2 as much as any of us, so it took a big effort by a number of people to do it. That was just dumb dumb ego-drive dumbness.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 07:55:06 AM
Tupac DDOS'd the server like 6 months ago.

Haha no he didn't. My top 2 suspects for that are archer and YOU. That was clearly and obviously subterfuge designed to stir up resentment against the new server. I was talking to tupac privatly quite a bit at the time, and I have no doubt he would have said something if it was him.

What's more I think you know that and are just deliberately provoking him.

Really? You sound so stupid. More lies out of your mouth..... (etc)

... and there we go. The angry words of someone being falsely accused... (and sadly taking the bait a bit), but definately not the smuggness of some dumb hacker who thinks he did something clever.

You're going to have to do better than that you toxic fuc f***

LOL fucking epic self-censorship fail ;D the backspace key is just under F12 there mate ;)


Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 08:13:49 AM
Oh, you got me good with the backspace burn. Snap
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 08:14:48 AM
You spell definitely Wrong by the way. oh I got you a good. Serious burn. Oh snap oh snap
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tupac on March 26, 2019, 08:34:42 AM
In what world would hacking the server to get my admin back make ANY sense?  like.. "hey, maybe they won't notice!"  ??? lol
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It makes sense because you were raging.





https://ibb.co/g68bwN1 (https://ibb.co/g68bwN1)


Lol

i encourage you to look through that old forum ... this whole game would have died without people screaming at iL and blid to start doing shit.  up until like 2-3 years ago iL was nowhere to be seen ever. but around the same time shit got so crazy that $pace and Lance made a brand new server with all kinds of updates that users had been BEGGING for, iL showed up and starting going to work and making improvements to the curent server.


thats how shit works around here. nothing gets done and nobody takes initiative until people go rogue and finally decide "well shit, they're not going to do anything, so i will"   ... thats why other people made a new war2 server. thats why i made a new forum. nothing was getting done ... but once the new server was made they finally started making improvements to this one. once i made a new forum they finally made a new one that new users could participate in



Source: page 11


http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1583.150.html#quickreply (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,1583.150.html#quickreply)




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Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: tk[as] on March 26, 2019, 08:38:29 AM
The first link does not support your claim at all. So okay?

Not clicking the second link because I don't know what it is.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 08:39:32 AM
Oh, you got me good with the backspace burn. Snap

Damn straight. My backspace burn was epic! You know it. You felt it. Took you 2 replies and you're still not over it ;D

You spell definitely Wrong by the way. oh I got you a good. Serious burn. Oh snap oh snap

HAHA yeah I always mess that word up, funny thing is the last person to point that out was BS, she likes her spelling too..... you guys are just 2 peas in a pod aren't you?

Actually the one that really annoys me is I wrote "your" instead of "you're" up there ^ but it's in the middle of a long post so nobody will ever read it anyway. I'd edit it but I couldn't be assed - I think I'll just get tupac to hack the forum server and change it for me ;)

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 09:00:28 AM
The first link does not support your claim at all. So okay?

Not clicking the second link because I don't know what it is.


Yeah man, that 2nd link definately looks a bit sus. Not at all like the first one. Plus I found out a while ago that tupac was actually remote piloting the plane that hit the pentagon on 9/11 while simultainiously DDOSing a quake server. Just goes to show, you can't be too careful. Better not click it.


all go look at easy to make us feel better loool

Haha never fails  8)
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: easycompany on March 26, 2019, 09:03:05 AM
wildest dreams i had last night sticking spray paint cans in a microwave and doing back flips
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 26, 2019, 09:11:11 AM
Ok this thread has gotten way outta hand. Classic war2 flame war about a game on the internet.

Maybe tupac did it maybe he didn’t. War2 is a fun game but it is a game.
I do think a large percentage of our playerbase is suffering from video game addiction.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 09:44:09 AM
Ok this thread has gotten way outta hand. Classic war2 flame war about a game on the internet.


No way man, this is just getting warmed up. Page 12 will be goldmine material.

Maybe tupac did it maybe he didn’t.


Oh he defiantely did it. The quake server went down right as the plane hit the pentagon.

Here, check the proof:

http://quake99.server.com/logs/2001-09-11/uptime.log (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=920.0;attach=2949)

War2 is a fun game but it is a game.
I do think a large percentage of our playerbase is suffering from video game addiction.


Not true. Last Sunday I spent at least 18 consecutive minutes at home in front of my computer not playing games.


Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Incos on March 26, 2019, 09:55:19 AM
“When God is involved, anything can happen. Be open. Stay that way. God has a beautiful way of bringing good vibrations out of broken chords.”
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 26, 2019, 10:07:43 AM
Losing BS was a HUGE loss.... and she really loves wc2 as much as any of us, so it took a big effort by a number of people to do it. That was just dumb dumb ego-drive dumbness.

End of the day Babyshark left war2ru because she disagreed with the moderation practices or lack of thereof.
 We don't moderate trash talking on war2ru.

This is server was built by veterans for vets. I don't believe moderating the words of the players base is what the majority wants
Fail. That is one of the main points I am trying to make here. No she isn't. At all. There aren't even as many BS haters here as there are people willing to go to another server to play with her.

I have over 20 players on Facebook and other social media and I know pretty much every player on the server. So we can agree to disagree there. The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

End of the day lamb the player base isn't going to change in order to accommodate one player. If Babyshark wants to play on war2ru again she is going to have to change her approach to the game or simply continue to play on war2usa.

This is a game it's not real life. Anyone that genuinely gets upset by words sent to them on a gaming server should really rethink the way they are approaching the internet world.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Incos on March 26, 2019, 10:48:10 AM
If it came down to playing games, she was active and created a lot of different map interest. That is a plus in my books.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 11:39:54 AM
I have over 20 players on Facebook and other social media and I know pretty much every player on the server. So we can agree to disagree there. The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

So you think if someone doesn't know her they hate her? Seriously wth?

FB is the definition of an echo chamber. I'm sure in 10 minutes I could come up with 20 fb friends who will say that all muslims are evil.

5 of them will hate muslims, another 8 will just agree with whatever you ask them, 6 of them will have nothing against muslims but aren't game to disagree with everyone else, and the last guy is actually a muslim who is scared the other 19 will lynch him if he admits it.

I don't even see 20 people regularly playing. How about this, instead of stalking the usa server, why don't you start reporting on every time there's actually real 20 players on ru. Maybe some weekends? Maybe?


End of the day lamb the player base isn't going to change in order to accommodate one player.

You don't want to change to accommodate me?

End of the day there will be one player left.


If Babyshark wants to play on war2ru again

She doesn't. Our loss.

This is a game it's not real life. Anyone that genuinely gets upset by words sent to them on a gaming server should really rethink the way they are approaching the internet world.

Says the guy who has taken so much offence at BS's posts.


It's pretty basic stuff. Act like a bunch of assholes and nobody will want to join in. WTF is so hard to understand about that?

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 26, 2019, 12:30:10 PM
So you think if someone doesn't know her they hate her? Seriously wth?

No I'm saying she isn't that well known or liked by the majority of the community.
FB is the definition of an echo chamber. I'm sure in 10 minutes I could come up with 20 fb friends who will say that all muslims are evil.

I'm saying that I have over 20 players on FB and social media who are inactive and active whom I could message at any time to come play on the server.( I did ask for your social media you told me you didn't have any) I also know the entire player base and I'm telling you Babyshark isn't that important.


You don't want to change to accommodate me?

End of the day there will be one player left.

If I thought the server would benefit from moderation I would be all for it. I don't believe it would.

 
Says the guy who has taken so much offence at BS's posts.

Tbh I actually really don't care that much about Babyshark or this game in general. It's not that important to me, and I really hope it's not that important to you either.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Incos on March 26, 2019, 12:44:10 PM
There once was a little boy who had a bad temper. His father gave him a bag of nails and told him that every time he lost his temper, he must hammer a nail into the fence.

The first day the boy had driven 37 nails into the fence. Over the next few weeks as he learned to control his anger, the number of nails hammered daily, gradually dwindled down. He discovered it was easier to hold his temper than to drive those nails into the fence. Finally, the day came when the boy didn’t lose his temper at all. He told his father about it and the father suggested that the boy now pulls out one nail for each day that he was able to hold his temper.

The days passed and the young boy was finally able to tell his father that all the nails were gone. The father took his son by the hand and led him to the fence. He said “you have done well, my son, but look at the holes in the fence. The fence will never be the same. When you say things in anger, they leave a scar just like this one.”
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 26, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
Losing BS was a HUGE loss.... and she really loves wc2 as much as any of us, so it took a big effort by a number of people to do it. That was just dumb dumb ego-drive dumbness.


End of the day Babyshark left war2ru because she disagreed with the moderation practices or lack of thereof.
 We don't moderate trash talking on war2ru.

This is server was built by veterans for vets. I don't believe moderating the words of the players base is what the majority wants

So, the main problem for Babyshark is trash talking?
Then i'd say that's even bigger loss than i thought.

I also hate trash-talking on our forum&server, 4+ years ago i also tried to do something with that. I also have a thick skin, but that's just unpleasant to join the server and see all that trash.
I tried to make server rules in 2014: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html)
Or make polls: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html)
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html)

But i understood community doesn't accept that.
Community deserves atmosphere they created, and that's not our power to change that.
If we begin to ban people for trash-talking, they just leave.

At the same time i understand comminuty is wide, every single player has his own opinion about trash-talking also.
No idea how Babyshark plans to avoid trash talking or her server: to ban people? Or to make some different activity?
That's sad she is against us, not on our side...

Maybe we could do something together...
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Incos on March 26, 2019, 01:21:59 PM
I agree; let’s bring back baby shark
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 26, 2019, 03:30:33 PM
Losing BS was a HUGE loss.... and she really loves wc2 as much as any of us, so it took a big effort by a number of people to do it. That was just dumb dumb ego-drive dumbness.


End of the day Babyshark left war2ru because she disagreed with the moderation practices or lack of thereof.
 We don't moderate trash talking on war2ru.

This is server was built by veterans for vets. I don't believe moderating the words of the players base is what the majority wants

So, the main problem for Babyshark is trash talking?
Then i'd say that's even bigger loss than i thought.

I also hate trash-talking on our forum&server, 4+ years ago i also tried to do something with that. I also have a thick skin, but that's just unpleasant to join the server and see all that trash.
I tried to make server rules in 2014: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html[/url])
Or make polls: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html[/url])
[url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html[/url])

But i understood community doesn't accept that.
Community deserves atmosphere they created, and that's not our power to change that.
If we begin to ban people for trash-talking, they just leave.

At the same time i understand comminuty is wide, every single player has his own opinion about trash-talking also.
No idea how Babyshark plans to avoid trash talking or her server: to ban people? Or to make some different activity?
That's sad she is against us, not on our side...

Maybe we could do something together...

The problem is /squelch doesn't have a memory so she had to squelch the same people every single time she logged in, and if she didn't, they would send her flame messages.  But then she could squelch them after that... but it was just annoying

That's why she was dissatisfied, but she finally left after something that is better categorized as interpersonal drama, Mousetopher had temp muted Babyshark and Van in Discord chat because they were in a flame war, and Babyshark felt betrayed and angry.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 26, 2019, 03:32:46 PM
(Van flames everyone and is basically a psychopath, babyshark left at peace is generally very nice but when anything goes against her she has a tendency to freak out and write 10,000 word screeds one after another)
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 09:36:23 PM
of all the people who talk shit to you here and vice-versa why is she singled out? Because she's female and you're a sexually frustrated nerd with a tiny penis? ... oh no wait, I must have a "white knight" complex.

.... blah blah I have a low IQ blah blah .... the fact you and her need to bring up the female card continuously just proves ... blah blah blah


That statement was a direct response to this gem from tk:


The only reason other people are supporting her decision is because she is a female and they want to be a white knight.

Which is the only time I have mentioned gender, so I didn't bring it up... and BS has not even taken part in this thread at all .... so she didn't bring it up.

But you just wrote an entire paragraph on it. Got any other FACTS for me?

Dude, get a grip - at least TK was smart enough to drop that tack.

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 10:13:59 PM
she is predominately disliked by the majority of the player base.

The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

No I'm saying she isn't that well known or liked by the majority of the community.


Back-pedaling much?


Tbh I actually really don't care that much about Babyshark or this game in general. It's not that important to me, and I really hope it's not that important to you either.


That's a lot of posts about a person and a game you don't care about. Sorry to disappoint but I care about both of them.


I'm saying that I have over 20 players on FB and social media who are inactive and active whom I could message at any time to come play on the server.( I did ask for your social media you told me you didn't have any) I also know the entire player base and I'm telling you Babyshark isn't that important.

I have a FB account that I literally haven't logged into for years and don't use. I use discord mainly (Lambchops#3843) and I also have whatsapp for people who don't use discord (just my brother really these days) and I also use the pm on this forum a bit. You are welcome to contact me any time.

As to whether or not any single player is "that important", there are 2 ways to look at it.

1) Subjectively depending on your opinion of the individual and their contribution.
2) Mathematically. If there were 400 players then each of then would be 0.25% important.

I'd guess that by now every time we lose a player we are losing about 3% (and rising) of the game.

I think it's "that important".



Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 26, 2019, 11:11:30 PM

So, the main problem for Babyshark is trash talking?
Then i'd say that's even bigger loss than i thought.

I also hate trash-talking on our forum&server, 4+ years ago i also tried to do something with that. I also have a thick skin, but that's just unpleasant to join the server and see all that trash.
I tried to make server rules in 2014: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,38.msg171.html[/url])
Or make polls: [url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,117.msg847.html[/url])
[url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html[/url] ([url]http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.msg1368.html[/url])


As I see it, the problem wasn't just trash talking. It was that it had gone too far into genuine harassment. BS sought help from the administration not for an individual "he-said she-said" argument, but for ongoing targeted nasty abuse that was independant of any incidental events on a specific day. In the end it became too much for her to cope with and she left with a (IMO) largely ill-advised explosion.... FB, public flaming etc.

I don't know that there's an easy set of rules we could have somehow grafted onto our existing community, but I do think that we, as a community, should have been able to do something about it before it got to that point.

If someone is beating another person with a bat, that is bad. You don't have to say "I agree with the victim and everything they say and we are BFFs now", you just have to be a decent human being and say, "stop hitting them with a bat, that is not ok". Sugesting that is ok because you don't like that person or because they are yelling a bunch of stuff while they are being hit is not an excuse. People being hit with a bat will generally lose their shit and yell all sorts of stuff.

This is common sense. You don't need rules to work it out. This place is well cliquey enough that if a few people had had the balls to just stand up and apply a bit of social pressure against it, the whole thing could have been managed.


But i understood community doesn't accept that.
Community deserves atmosphere they created, and that's not our power to change that.
If we begin to ban people for trash-talking, they just leave.


I understand that, but they are leaving anyway. Quieter people don't post on the forum, and generally don't trash talk, and don't like being subjected to it.

The standard has to be set not for the existing players, it has to be for the players we don't have yet. Young people. New people. There are millions of people every day clicking around on stupid browser games because they are bored. The opinions of those people are much more important that the opinions of the few crusty old assholes we still have left.


If us crusty old assholes have any brains at all we should see that.


At the same time i understand comminuty is wide, every single player has his own opinion about trash-talking also.
No idea how Babyshark plans to avoid trash talking or her server: to ban people? Or to make some different activity?


Well I think there's a no swearing in the channel policy and a bot to police it, but basically it's a small enough group that people aren't nasty to each other.

That's sad she is against us, not on our side...

Maybe we could do something together...


I don't think BS is "against us". She just feels that she was treated very badly and no longer wants to play here. I don't think someone is the enemy just because they want to play wc2 somewhere else. It's not like she didn't try hard for a long time here.

Personally I don't mind a little bit of trash talk occasionally, but for some people it is their normal for of communication when gaming .... constant rage and flame... IMO that's just being a dick

The problem is /squelch doesn't have a memory so she had to squelch the same people every single time she logged in, and if she didn't, they would send her flame messages.  But then she could squelch them after that... but it was just annoying


Yes in this case I think that feature would have helped a lot. Clearly it was more than just annoying.


That's why she was dissatisfied, but she finally left after something that is better categorized as interpersonal drama, Mousetopher had temp muted Babyshark and Van in Discord chat because they were in a flame war, and Babyshark felt betrayed and angry.


Yeah it was ugly at the end, but there was a lot leading up to that.

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Winchester on March 26, 2019, 11:19:27 PM
You need to get a grip, her contacting peoples family's is not cool, but obviously because its someone you don't like (van) yeah that's cool. I hate him as much as the next person but it's still something you don't do.

And she doesn't need to post in this thread to be bringing it up constantly, go look at many of her other threads or threads she's hijacked over the past months. It's a crutch to fallback on. Hence the "Continuously", which is a word that has gone way over your head clearly. Maybe you should look into that before telling others how low their iq are to impress the girl who admitted herself on here that she was sexting multiple people. Which is probably why you're trying way harder to white knight now lol.

I considered babyshark one of my friends until she decided to start harassing me for reasons stated before.  I've refrained from insulting her for the most part other then to call her unstable  which she clearly is and maybe the occasional 2-faced. I know she'd tell you otherwise by saying I'm a "hater" which is why you feel the need to try so hard. But keep trying hard though lambchops, maybe you'll get the time of day eventually. Even though you'd be more likely to find someone at your local coles, k mart, target or woolworths.

Also lol at tk being top 2 suspects. Good joke.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 26, 2019, 11:26:52 PM
she is predominately disliked by the majority of the player base.

The majority of the player base either doesn't like her or doesn't know who she is.

No I'm saying she isn't that well known or liked by the majority of the community.


Back-pedaling much?


Tbh I actually really don't care that much about Babyshark or this game in general. It's not that important to me, and I really hope it's not that important to you either.


That's a lot of posts about a person and a game you don't care about. Sorry to disappoint but I care about both of them.


I'm saying that I have over 20 players on FB and social media who are inactive and active whom I could message at any time to come play on the server.( I did ask for your social media you told me you didn't have any) I also know the entire player base and I'm telling you Babyshark isn't that important.

I have a FB account that I literally haven't logged into for years and don't use. I use discord mainly (Lambchops#3843) and I also have whatsapp for people who don't use discord (just my brother really these days) and I also use the pm on this forum a bit. You are welcome to contact me any time.

As to whether or not any single player is "that important", there are 2 ways to look at it.

1) Subjectively depending on your opinion of the individual and their contribution.
2) Mathematically. If there were 400 players then each of then would be 0.25% important.

I'd guess that by now every time we lose a player we are losing about 3% (and rising) of the game.

I think it's "that important".






I care about my career, my education, my family, and my friends. I don't care about a online gaming server and the nameless faces that populate it.
If you really equate this gaming server and the individuals that populate it in the same retrospect you do your every day life then that tells me one of two things.
A) Your life sucks.
B) Your suffering from video game addiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction

If it's the former my apologies. If it's the latter I suggest you seek therapy.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 27, 2019, 01:12:14 AM
You need to get a grip, her contacting peoples family's is not cool, but obviously because its someone you don't like (van) yeah that's cool. I hate him as much as the next person but it's still something you don't do.

And she doesn't need to post in this thread to be bringing it up constantly, go look at many of her other threads or threads she's hijacked over the past months. It's a crutch to fallback on. Hence the "Continuously", which is a word that has gone way over your head clearly. Maybe you should look into that before telling others how low their iq are to impress the girl who admitted herself on here that she was sexting multiple people. Which is probably why you're trying way harder to white knight now lol.

I considered babyshark one of my friends until she decided to start harassing me for reasons stated before.  I've refrained from insulting her for the most part other then to call her unstable  which she clearly is and maybe the occasional 2-faced. I know she'd tell you otherwise by saying I'm a "hater" which is why you feel the need to try so hard. But keep trying hard though lambchops, maybe you'll get the time of day eventually. Even though you'd be more likely to find someone at your local coles, k mart, target or woolworths.

Hmm. Ok briefly, for the record:

I don't think the FB thing was right, that is not cool, but that is something happened as a result of the issues, it was not a cause of them.

The thread hi-jacking I also don't particularly like. It's not a crime, but I don't think that sort of thing makes anyone look good.

As for "sexting" it seems to be an issue for you, and I suspect was probably and issue for a few people here based on the juvenile frat-boyish behavior that ensued, but I honestly couldn't give a rat's ass.

I don't need to pick up girls at Target (although you go for it), but seeing as you're interested in my love-life: I'm actually banging the 28 year old who lives next door occasionally, she's also a friend of mine who's company I enjoy. Honestly I would prefer a more substantial relationship with someone closer to my own age, but I'm neither crying myself to sleep over it nor hoping for some kind of online tryst with a married gamer who lives on the other side of the planet.

You are seriously hung up on BS being female. Deal with it or don't idc, but don't try to project it onto me.

Also lol at tk being top 2 suspects. Good joke.

Yeah ikr? ;)

Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 27, 2019, 01:47:58 AM
I care about my career, my education, my family, and my friends. I don't care about a online gaming server and the nameless faces that populate it.
If you really equate this gaming server and the individuals that populate it in the same retrospect you do your every day life then that tells me one of two things.
A) Your life sucks.
B) Your suffering from video game addiction. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_addiction

If it's the former my apologies. If it's the latter I suggest you seek therapy.

Yes, my life currently sucks a bit, but I am getting it back on track.

The "nameless faces" ( actually I think you will find that they're faceless names ;) ) are in fact people. I don't consider them all to be personal friends, that would be a bit sad and silly, but I have in fact met a few people online that I do consider my friends.

I also believe in being basically decent to people. If I am walking down a busy street, I don't feel that I can treat the other people like shit simply because I don't know them.

And sad as it may be, I do care about wc2 because it has been a part of my life for a long time and I enjoy it. I'm pretty sure you are the same in this regard only you choose to deny that obvious fact, which is actually a bit sadder IMO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial)
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Winchester on March 27, 2019, 02:15:06 AM
Being reminded that shes female for the sake of it constantly is annoying, as if it strengthens or weakens her argument in anyway. No one cares what you are or what you identify as in 2019, nor did anyone care what gender you were in the years she was making those sort of posts (2017,2018) we're all human. It's like going to a movie and the movie telling you every 5 minutes its a movie, like okay we get it.

You asked me for "FACTS" and i simply provided one or did you forget that already, i don't care who she sexts and its not an issue to me, shes the one being the hypocrite to herself at the end of the day with her beliefs there. and you're the one trying extra hard since that post which is noticeable.

And your the one whos projecting frustrations on me mate, specially after i called you a flame shield only level opponent. And of course when you were calling me dellam and i told you that you're the one who plays  worse then him if he wasn't hacking. Lol.

I left the war2 discord and facebook group months ago because of babysharks e-stalking capabilities, and is one of the reasons i stopped logging on in game after continuous harassment that went on longer in 1 week then vans harassment towards me in 6 months.  I don't plan on returning to those groups anytime soon, and i'm caught up playing other games like heroes of the storm now to want to play war2 again. If i was so hung up on her, i'd be on her server which she invited me to on pms & discord prior to me leaving. Which im sure thrills you out.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 27, 2019, 09:04:21 AM
And sad as it may be, I do care about wc2 because it has been a part of my life for a long time and I enjoy it. I'm pretty sure you are the same in this regard only you choose to deny that obvious fact, which is actually a bit sadder IMO. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial

Well I’m sorry your life sucks. My life sucked once too. One thing I found that helped make it better was cutting out things that didn’t matter, and not worry about things that aren’t important.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 27, 2019, 09:10:49 AM
Well I’m sorry your life sucks. My life sucked once too. One thing I found that helped make it better was cutting out things that didn’t matter, and not worry about things that aren’t important.

Good advice. Glad you didn't cut out playing wc2 :)
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 27, 2019, 09:30:54 AM
Hey man if War2 is interfering in your life and getting in the way of progress you probably should stop wasting your time playing it. Because that’s what war2 is, a waste of time.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 27, 2019, 09:55:56 AM
Hey man if War2 is interfering in your life and getting in the way of progress you probably should stop wasting your time playing it. Because that’s what war2 is, a waste of time.

It can be a big time-sink, that's true. This can be either good or bad depending on your situation. At the moment I am basically just working and saving money to give to lawyers (ugh). So having a 100% free form of entertainment to fill in some of my evenings is actually a good thing. I'm sure I would spend more money just on entertainment to keep my brain alive if I didn't play.

That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it ;) How about you?
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 27, 2019, 10:05:35 AM
That's my excuse and I'm sticking to it  How about you?

I’ve slowly cut down on how many hours I play it. For me it’s like watching television or a movie.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Lambchops on March 27, 2019, 11:10:42 AM
For me it’s like watching television or a movie.

Totally. I often watch tv while im playing. I found myself playing without the sound a bit too, which is pretty slack lol. Been enjoying learning some gow lately. It's a new challenge and I'm learning new stuff. My chop game was getting pretty stagnant.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 27, 2019, 12:57:36 PM
I mean we'd instituted rules that certain people were just flat out not allowed to /msg her, so we had been attempting to help with the problem.  That plus going on a private voice chat with friends for her gaming probably could have worked... rather unfortunate
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: iL on March 27, 2019, 04:48:17 PM
As I see it, the problem wasn't just trash talking. It was that it had gone too far into genuine harassment. BS sought help from the administration not for an individual "he-said she-said" argument, but for ongoing targeted nasty abuse that was independant of any incidental events on a specific day. In the end it became too much for her to cope with and she left with a (IMO) largely ill-advised explosion.... FB, public flaming etc.

Yes, that looks reasonable. She asked me to do something with someone's harassment, but i was too busy and had no time to realize that "he-said she-said". At the same time i have no idea how to handle that different way. Also, i don't want to take care of that as i'm not a native-spoken english and it's quite difficult for me to understand some moments. But the main reason is i don't understand mentality of our community, i even don't know most players here, so, i'd prefer to work on technical questions. I posted that: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,372.msg4465.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,372.msg4465.html)

I don't know that there's an easy set of rules we could have somehow grafted onto our existing community, but I do think that we, as a community, should have been able to do something about it before it got to that point.

If someone is beating another person with a bat, that is bad. You don't have to say "I agree with the victim and everything they say and we are BFFs now", you just have to be a decent human being and say, "stop hitting them with a bat, that is not ok". Sugesting that is ok because you don't like that person or because they are yelling a bunch of stuff while they are being hit is not an excuse. People being hit with a bat will generally lose their shit and yell all sorts of stuff.

This is common sense. You don't need rules to work it out. This place is well cliquey enough that if a few people had had the balls to just stand up and apply a bit of social pressure against it, the whole thing could have been managed.

I absolutely agree with your thoughts here, community should handle such situations itself. But i have no idea what to do if they don't.

Rules are absolutely useless if people don't want to follow them or don't understand them.
The only thing we can reach by such "rules" is malipulating by admins (to provoke someone and then report to admins "ban him, he called me...") or w/e. Much work for admins and absolutely useless and quite harmful for community.

I hoped most people dislike such toxic atmosphere and they will try to follow such rules. They didn't...

I have no ideas how to change that toxic atmosphere. I can compare our big international community with small russian subcommunity. Russians are not so toxic. I'd be happy if international community become much pleasant place for current players and of course for newbies.
I'd be happy to discuss that with other players who want the same...

I understand that, but they are leaving anyway. Quieter people don't post on the forum, and generally don't trash talk, and don't like being subjected to it.

Our problem is we still play 25-years old game, abandoned by it's developers may years ago. So, people are leaving. I think that's our reality.
We can try to attract new players, but old ones will leave from time to time.

The standard has to be set not for the existing players, it has to be for the players we don't have yet. Young people. New people. There are millions of people every day clicking around on stupid browser games because they are bored. The opinions of those people are much more important that the opinions of the few crusty old assholes we still have left.

Yes, we try to attract new people, make different things: beautiful sites, programming, fixes, then newbies join the server... and falls into our toxicity: got banned from games, harassed, attacked by words, and then they eighter leave or become part of such toxicity.
If you want to play war2, your have to play with the best players. And these best players make up such toxic atmosphere. Vicious circle.

If us crusty old assholes have any brains at all we should see that.

Yes, but we don't...

Well I think there's a no swearing in the channel policy and a bot to police it, but basically it's a small enough group that people aren't nasty to each other.

Of course, i'm sure we can at least find mutually beneficial decision. But now i can't see any other decision as to stay everything as is...

I don't think BS is "against us". She just feels that she was treated very badly and no longer wants to play here. I don't think someone is the enemy just because they want to play wc2 somewhere else. It's not like she didn't try hard for a long time here.

Well, she asked us about to resolve the problem, we did nothing, then began to punish her (unfair of course, as she feel), and now we banned her... Of course, she should hate all our admins and all our rules, so she will not do anything together with us. I think so.
That is absolutely not about to play somewhere else, though that will split the community.

Personally I don't mind a little bit of trash talk occasionally, but for some people it is their normal for of communication when gaming .... constant rage and flame... IMO that's just being a dick

I agree with such communication when gaming and i don't protest against that. But here's an important line: that should not be moved to personalities.
Title: Re: GOG at perfect timing
Post by: Thomas29 on September 30, 2019, 09:17:48 PM
Well, I can confirm you lost me as a player due to the horribly disregard for any new players that joined the community. Many new players I got to join the community told me why they didn't want to play here. After having multiple and countless bad experiences with players on the Server that is "keeping this game alive" I don't blame them... I TRULY WISH things were different but it seems things are fubar.