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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on March 28, 2019, 11:12:19 PM

Title: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: tk[as] on March 28, 2019, 11:12:19 PM
reminds me of the time we tried switching to that zone-like server.

more trouble than what  its worth.

Unless the staff starts making some serious changes to update and improve the existing client this will go nowhere
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: tk[as] on March 28, 2019, 11:19:02 PM
even if iL gets all of the issues resolved and included in the new 4.4 client (IMPORTANT TO NOTE YOU NEED TO DOWNLOAD THE FULL VERSION, NOT LITE VERSION) .. all of the GOG users on the GOG client will still be having all of the same issues.

worth also noting iL is doing an amazing job.. but it's only really benefiting the .ru users. we need the GOG staff to be handling these same issues.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 12:01:31 AM
I actually don't think gog will make some serious improvements. I'll not wonder if they think their job is already finished with war2.
Their main task is to make new old games every week, war2 is just "another old game" for them.
They released diablo several weeks ago and they don't care.
They released war1 and war2 in one day.

As i see our plans for future: need to make that server at least partially usable, to let us come there, play with newbies.
Next step - gog newies know about war2.ru and combat.
Next step - gog newbies will change gog to combat as it's better than gog client even now. And i hope to make several more improvements...
And next step - they just join war2.ru instead of gog server. Something like that.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: baRa on March 29, 2019, 12:50:35 AM
I wasted at least 2 hours trying to get into gog and to actually play, at the end of my 2 hours not only did I NOT play because of latency issues apparently, but I also think I got scammed out of $13 CAD. Why mess with a good thing like ru? Imo I say keep playing on ru, and if anybody really wants to grow a 25 year old game then go ahead with more advertising etc. But don't rely on gog(which literally no one has heard of before).

If gog was really serious about releasing war2 again. I sure would hope they did a better job of it. The whole experience was off putting and completely avoidable. I mean test the fucking server before releasing it. Tons of bugs and shit, people not being able to join or create games.

That's my 2 cents
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 29, 2019, 12:56:51 AM
Like bara said I wasted a lot of time tonight to try and make war2 work for me on the gog.com server. Just not working for me for whatever reason.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: Player on March 29, 2019, 01:55:42 AM
I just got it and had no issues at all logging on and getting a game.  I just CRUSHED some guy.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: outlaw[z] on March 29, 2019, 05:37:38 AM
I don't think any of the pro players would want to come to it, but maybe ya a good breeding ground for newbies to play with each other until they are ready to get CRUSHED!
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: Incos on March 29, 2019, 08:56:21 AM
I made a thread, any input would be appreciated.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_are_you_patching_this_warcraft_2 (https://www.gog.com/forum/general/gog_are_you_patching_this_warcraft_2)

IL is an honorable mention in here

Jist of it is a piss rant and a fix, maybe hoping GoG would at least acknowledge (from what I understand they haven’t said anything about the botched release)

Like tora and bara not even able to get in(not sure if maybe your provider could be locking you out)

Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: tk[as] on March 29, 2019, 09:57:10 AM
my opinion: there has been ZERO shred of evidence that the GOG support staff cares at all about the server/client. have not seen one admin log on, which is surprising because it was their release date. it tells me they're just trying to get $10 from a couple hundred opinion.

I really think we should get some advertising bots in there. I highly doubt 1)gog will ever even find out, and 2) care if they do find out. they already got their $ from the people.

if we don't work on getting those users over to .ru quickly we are missing out on a huge opportunity.

Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 10:06:30 AM
Posted a request to add 2.0.2.0 of their forums: https://www.gog.com/forum/warcraft_ii_battlenet_edition/please_unblock_another_202_patch_for_war2_bne_on_your_bnetserver (https://www.gog.com/forum/warcraft_ii_battlenet_edition/please_unblock_another_202_patch_for_war2_bne_on_your_bnetserver)

Not a big deal for them, but what if they will do that?
At least it's nothing for us to try.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: baRa on March 29, 2019, 10:27:52 AM
At this point it seems like a money grab. I mean who releases a game and has no mods or bots or even any response to all the issues and questions. They made there couple thousand
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 10:36:27 AM
I think GoG's main goal is just old game. Designed most likely for people who even didn't know war2 had multiplayer or w/e.
Nice to know it has multiplayer also.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: easycompany on March 29, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
I just got it and had no issues at all logging on and getting a game.  I just CRUSHED some guy.
i had some fun games :D  seems some people need to learn how to use a computer instead of being a grandma  :D

but until some kinda punch is made,maybe get anotehr router they arent all the same.

but if you  can play on ru,idk  know, i couldnt host at first then i just set my router again then i could.

yeah, im not seeing it, nothing but people that probably never knew war2 was a multiplayer game.

well hosting some games for new people and did tora ever get fixed thats what it needs is some host.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: baRa on March 29, 2019, 02:37:58 PM
I guess with such a shitty release for gog, I've come to appreciate how much ru is actually cared for by people who love the game itself and actually know how to make the experience better. Thanks everyone at ru! Hip hop
HOORAY
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 29, 2019, 02:54:06 PM
I guess with such a shitty release for gog, I've come to appreciate how much ru is actually cared for by people who love the game itself and actually know how to make the experience better. Thanks everyone at ru! Hip hop
HOORAY

🤙
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 29, 2019, 03:16:16 PM
How hard do you think it would be to make all the current tools compatible with 2.0.2.2?  I'm surprised it's different enough that it's not compatible with the utilities we have.

iL, did you see someone said you'll need to make the request to authorize 2.0.2.1 for sign-on through gog support?  https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/requests/new?game=1418669891&form=technical
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: fois on March 29, 2019, 04:11:37 PM
Most games on gog don't even have online multiplayer support, you guys were expecting too much :) The server for warcraft 2 is hosted by blizzard, not by gog, it's just the good old battle.net with all its flaws.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: easycompany on March 29, 2019, 04:24:03 PM
well its taking a little bit of root,people are playing now and seems most have thier connection working.

but blizzard has a real bad policy with its games....they coulda included war2 with sc1 all these years  :-\

Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 04:47:39 PM
I guess with such a shitty release for gog, I've come to appreciate how much ru is actually cared for by people who love the game itself and actually know how to make the experience better. Thanks everyone at ru! Hip hop
HOORAY
Yes, i think if somebody makes something with love to his job to get perfect result - results will be much better than if somebody makes something just to make money...
War2 have many components with bugs that are hard to detect. You can just apply someone's ddraw, looks like it works, but when you begin to play you get some problems.
Our support requests section shows how many different problems appears with different computer configurations. That is after we applied ddraw specially designed for war2 and tested it for years!
I'd say if somebody can make things better - that should be blizzard, having the source code and product owners.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 05:02:31 PM
How hard do you think it would be to make all the current tools compatible with 2.0.2.2?  I'm surprised it's different enough that it's not compatible with the utilities we have.
If war2insight is compatible with 2.0.2.1, i'd say that quite easy to fix warvideo, warlat, zwarlat, etc. Just not sure about observe - maybe a little more difficult.

Another question is what's easier: to rewrite all compatible tools or to hack generated checksums, to let gog server think we use 2.0.2.1 when we join with 2.0.2.0
Not sure, but that may be a preferred choice...

iL, did you see someone said you'll need to make the request to authorize 2.0.2.1 for sign-on through gog support?
Yes, thanks, i already sent the request to them, waiting for 12-24 hours now...

The server for warcraft 2 is hosted by blizzard, not by gog, it's just the good old battle.net with all its flaws.
BTW, gog server is different than old blizzard servers: east, west, europe, asia, They controlled your exe-file checksum and your executable code also. Patched war2 process caused error when connecting the server. That was a reason i added war2nocdUNloader to combat: Start it with nocdloader, then appy nocdUNloader, then process becomes original, and you can join official war2 servers. Of course, you should change cd-key to legal one before that. Worked fine for combat.
And everything is much easier with GOG.

well its taking a little bit of root,people are playing now and seems most have thier connection working.
Yes, the main GOG thing is to attract lots people for their game! And our task - is to attract them until they leave...
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: {Lance} on March 29, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
I just saw this:  https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/news/22940764?blzcmp=app   But I dont really have an account to reply to it with.  It seems to me that the GoG release is likely going to be garbage,  but the exposure presents an opportunity to tell those DL'ing the GoG version (that doesnt support multi-player according to the announcement) that a version DOES exist that supports it.  Not that we could use anymore noobs but it would give current noobs someone to play with.
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: tk[as] on March 29, 2019, 05:35:30 PM
we DEFINITELY could use HUNDREDS of noobs?!?! Thousands would be even better!
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: iL on March 29, 2019, 05:48:07 PM
What i think about current GOG server:
i'd say we should control it's events some way: when new player join, need to handle that situation, to let him know which channel to join, to keep them together.
Another interesting question is how to get something like status page for that server. The only way i see now - is to control all the channels by bots and show that info somewhere. Not sure how to understand if players leaved the server or joined the game. Or maybe that bnet have some kind of it's own API to control that?
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: baRa on March 29, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
Anything new on the gog front? Or still garbage? Wondering if I should even log on later
Title: Re: initial thoughts about GOG...
Post by: Szwagier on March 29, 2019, 07:57:17 PM
Anything new on the gog front? Or still garbage? Wondering if I should even log on later
they wont fix anything, U must do that