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Title: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 03, 2019, 04:21:24 PM
didnt even think about how beneficial that plugin was for chop players.. against someone who isnt using it.

its a legal hack essentially at this point.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Warbux on August 03, 2019, 04:42:14 PM
thats how theyll all react first then theyll go an dl it them selves.. lamb is workin on a program thta will tell whos using what plug ins so people who dont want it willl know
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lone on August 03, 2019, 05:02:39 PM
Beginner and intermediate players will just play slightly better if they properly make use of it. If you do not want to play better then simply do not use it. On the highest level it does not really matter whether you have the plug-in or not and I'm fairly confident that better players would not mind having better opponents.
On the admin side, the plug-in should be properly introduced to non-forum users, added to the website download section and be made official and later added via a patch and added to a new installer version.
Lastly, the plug-in is more of a training assistant than a hack, and it will enable players (regardless of settings) to gain a better understanding of the game's mechanics, gain more focus on more complex elements of the game, and improve the overall quality of play. In any case... people never come to a consensus so it is up to the admins to discuss with the community, and decide. In the end, people will get used to whatever happens.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Warbux on August 03, 2019, 06:09:33 PM
Beginner and intermediate players will just play slightly better if they properly make use of it. If you do not want to play better then simply do not use it. On the highest level it does not really matter whether you have the plug-in or not and I'm fairly confident that better players would not mind having better opponents.
On the admin side, the plug-in should be properly introduced to non-forum users, added to the website download section and be made official and later added via a patch and added to a new installer version.
Lastly, the plug-in is more of a training assistant than a hack, and it will enable players (regardless of settings) to gain a better understanding of the game's mechanics, gain more focus on more complex elements of the game, and improve the overall quality of play. In any case... people never come to a consensus so it is up to the admins to discuss with the community, and decide. In the end, people will get used to whatever happens.
the next patch is gonna have it along with alot more things

i think in another week or 2
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: LEGENDSNEVERDIE on August 03, 2019, 06:19:27 PM
you dont know anything about chop farms who dafuq neeeds too see that shit ... i never dl it and im not interested :ok_hand:
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lambchops on August 04, 2019, 07:52:19 AM
LOL say tk....

you dont know anything about chop farms who dafuq neeeds too see that shit ... i never dl it and im not interested :ok_hand:

Exactly. As I have said over and over, the chop bar plugin is little more than an interesting curiosity, in reality it makes exactly 0 difference to most games, maybe 0.01% difference to the occasional game.... unless you let it distract you then it is a major disadvantage.

Nice storm in a teacup fail tk.

There are pleanty of other, actually useful plugins - made and also in development. Why don't you try supporting the development of the game, instead of trying to score cheap points again?

More destructive behavior from this douche. What's the point of him exactly?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 04, 2019, 08:33:09 AM
I'm just telling you what I heard other chop players talkin about, and what some others including myself believe has the ability to give an unfair advantage in certain situations
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: CLAVV on August 04, 2019, 10:40:59 AM
What's the point of him exactly?
THER ARE THEORIES
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on August 04, 2019, 05:51:24 PM
What a joke, might as well include messiahs grid hack too, since "players will get a better understanding"
Warcraft 2 is so good because it has no "newbie asist" It's all manual and leaves a huge gap to acclerate and out preform another player.
I will always regard any player using this plug in as using a minor hack and to be a cheating newbie.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Warbux on August 04, 2019, 10:22:42 PM
I'm just telling you what I heard other chop players talkin about, and what some others including myself believe has the ability to give an unfair advantage in certain situations

its only unfair if its not available for every 1 .. tho any 1 is able to use it so its fair enough if they choose not to then i think its just there choice so why complain ... they be aiighttt!!! lol
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: baRa on August 05, 2019, 09:45:43 AM
When you make it a choice if someone wants it or doesnt, its like saying well whoever wants to dl a maphack can, as long as its available to everyone for dl, which it is. Unless these plugins are mandatory in an automatic update, i consider it a cheat/hack.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Equinox on August 05, 2019, 09:51:56 AM
When you make it a choice if someone wants it or doesnt, its like saying well whoever wants to dl a maphack can, as long as its available to everyone for dl, which it is. Unless these plugins are mandatory in an automatic update, i consider it a cheat/hack.

Great post, this man is full of sens.  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lambchops on August 05, 2019, 10:23:05 AM
Bahahahahaha  ;D  :clap: :clap:

Nobody cares. Try creating something.

Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2019, 11:06:14 AM
If nobody cares how come there are at least a few complaining about it, and a few and agreement that is essentially a legal hack
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2019, 11:10:35 AM
I create children and houses. Knot haxorz
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 05, 2019, 11:59:52 AM
When you make it a choice if someone wants it or doesnt, its like saying well whoever wants to dl a maphack can, as long as its available to everyone for dl, which it is. Unless these plugins are mandatory in an automatic update, i consider it a cheat/hack.
It's clearly a hack in the literal sense, and it's at least a very minor cheat. Maybe not consequential but the Messiah's grid comparison is a good one.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lone on August 05, 2019, 12:14:08 PM
Is there a screenshot of that grid?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 05, 2019, 12:31:54 PM
I don't think so, it's pretty old.  It was quite ugly, it was kind of like an uglier winter/white tileset.  It 1) showed a grid over the map, 2) had "chop lines" on trees indicating where there could be a double chop, 3) turned a gold mine yellow when a peon went into it (normally just the light in the mine turns on).

Lots of people complained about it and called it a hack even though it only showed things already shown in the game, it just highlighted them and made them easier to see and process.

chop meter is clearly unfair vs people that dont have it.  Again, kind of minor, but it's an outside program that gives the user advantageous information they wouldnt have otherwise - wouldnt be able to see at all without the program.  Actually a bigger change than the grid in that respect.  Clearly a low level cheat by the dictionary definition of the word.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: baRa on August 05, 2019, 02:03:15 PM
Blid, what is your view in the topic of mandatory updates including these all these plugins etc? It seems only me and 1 or 2 other users want mandatory updates if it comes to implementing these new plugins and other things. It would only make sense to have everyone using the same version with all the same options for it to not be considering cheating. Am i right?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 05, 2019, 02:09:08 PM
Mandatory update would make the most sense to put everyone on the same playing field, force AH use, and so on.  There would have to be a big community survey and admins would have to consult to decide which things to include (like chop meters).  I don't see any reason really why chop meters should be included in something like that, but if they were, then everyone would have them.  Makes a lot of sense.

That being said I think there's a lot of people that want to be able to use their own preferred version of War2 who wouldn't want to change.  It's a give and take, and if iL is against a universal required version then I'm fine with that.

I don't believe "well you can use it too!" is a valid excuse for using a chop meter/auto-luster/map hack.

Which hacks rise to the level of meriting a ban is another question.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 05, 2019, 04:28:00 PM
I think lambchops should be the only player allowed to legally hack. After 20 years of playing, over tens of thousands of games combined on servers played, a below average player can kill him using Flame Shield only as their source of damage, that is a massive headstart to have on someone that is below average before you can actually start taking damage. If we give him the hack pass, he might rise to Raise Skeleton by killing your own units only level.


Bahahahahaha  ;D  :clap: :clap:

Nobody cares. Try creating something.



I guess you've never eaten something bad at a restaurant  because it can't be bad because you're not a chef right? I guess you've never watched a bad movie either because you don't make movies either? Lol, try creating something, yeah you should actually try creating a valid point on why your plugin should be used and accepted rather then getting all butthurt about it whenever someone disagrees with you and editing their quotes.

Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lambchops on August 05, 2019, 10:40:41 PM
LOL

What a load of pretentious garbage (and all from gow players).

Try creating something.


BTW: A tileset supposedly "indicating where there could be a double chop" just shows a profound lack of knowlege about double-chopping. The whole point is knowing where they will be before other trees have been removed. How utterly noobish.

Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 05, 2019, 10:53:42 PM
You should actually try creating a valid argument as you clearly have none other then "i can make hax u cant l0l"
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lambchops on August 05, 2019, 11:18:13 PM
You should actually try creating a valid argument as you clearly have none other then "i can make hax u cant l0l"

Mate. It's all been said.

Doing this stuff is many hours of work, every night, and I already have an actual job. There is nothing more to say until there is something more to discuss.

This thread is just tk starting his usual negative shit and attacking someone - this time saying some "choppers said this" as a weak excuse to change the subject from what a destructive influence he is in the community (not to mention a whiney little bitch).

At least tk is a bit better than you because he does it under his in-game name and not some pathetic forum smurf account, that in itself makes your opinion worthless. You are literally a nobody.

There are creative people in the community who are not programmers. Creating something is distinct from just trying to tear down what others have created - that is also what good players do with strategies.

Automatic updates? Great idea. Wait one second while I just snap my fingers and make that happen.

Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 06, 2019, 01:24:59 AM
Lol, Forum smurf, i don't hide that i'm Praisevivec, Mrlemonade, or Mrlemonade[iS], only reason i have the name winchester is because war2occult didn't approve of PraiseVivec when making a name. And everyone in-game that knows me on here refers to me as Winchester because of the occult so the name sticks.

Also, you called ~oe~ on here a forum smurf when his in game name is ~oldenglish~ and is a very blatantly obvious acronym for his name, you're a 20 year vet who's only flame shield level. I don't expect your smurfometer to be accurate considering below average players can beat you using flame shield only (it ain't swift or u8 doing it mate, you're just that bad that a below average can do it to you).

Creating something is distinct from just trying to tear down what others have created

you got mostly positive feedback for your plugins except for the chop one, Including by TK which you dismissed because you got butthurt that because he wasn't kissing your ass for liking 100% of it, how is he trying to Tear you down by giving you a mostly positive response to the mods? You know what programmers also do? Ask for feedback, you know what just about every successful business does? Ask for feedback. You got 1 negative feedback that wasn't insulting you personally and you got super butthurt about it, and rather YOU kept ( and still are ) changing the subject rather then address the valid feedback, even in your conversation with harrywangs you started off just editing his posts and talking about gow elitists (just like you are now, everyone who doesnt like the plugin is automatically a "gow player" as if its a bad thing) . You're the actual destructive one here mate, but keep telling yourself that tk is when he has a reasonable concern about the mod which you don't care to address the concern. What, do you want him to take Screenshots of the chop community talking  expressing concern about your mod now for you to believe that it just isn't gow players? Aren't alot of the concerns and blatant disinterests by some by the players in this thread enough for you to strike a thought  and think "Maybe they know something I don't?"





Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2019, 01:25:12 AM
What plug in are you talking about?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2019, 01:25:48 AM
I like how it's now called a plug in and not a hack BTW, LOL
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 06, 2019, 01:41:39 AM
he made a hack which lets you see how many more chops are left to chop the tree down when you click on one of your peons, amongst other stuff.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2019, 02:59:42 AM
So admins are creating hacks now?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 06, 2019, 03:24:36 AM
So admins are creating hacks now?

Lambchops made it, and tks posting about it, only admin that seems to like it from what i see is warbux
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Equinox on August 06, 2019, 03:28:22 AM
Actually the plug in is really cool, but like bara say it cant only be in free download, it need to be integrate into every version.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Lambchops on August 06, 2019, 05:39:36 AM
Lol, Forum smurf, i don't hide that i'm Praisevivec, Mrlemonade, or Mrlemonade[iS], only reason i have the name

You forgot:

Snake888
Dellam
Della.AUS
Night~D.o.G

...and all the rest, you ginger muppet ;D

Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: CLAVV on August 06, 2019, 05:56:17 AM
I AM CHOP KING AND IT IS I WHO SHUD DO THE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CHOP COMMUNITY
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Winchester on August 06, 2019, 07:25:42 AM
Lol, Forum smurf, i don't hide that i'm Praisevivec, Mrlemonade, or Mrlemonade[iS], only reason i have the name

You forgot:

Snake888
Dellam
Della.AUS
Night~D.o.G

...and all the rest, you ginger muppet ;D



For someone who complains about Tk changing the topic in his own thread you really like changing the topic whenever you have no point as usual, you have about as much certainty as Paris Hilton playing Chess in your posts. but i'll entertain you. I'm not dellam, Im in melbourne and his way further away, like brisbane or perth maybe QLD, if any australian in this thread is dellam, it's the australian guy that's played for over 20 years and has over tens of thousands of games played and is still flame shield only level (basically dellam without the hacks on) against a below average player,  that also makes hacks for the game and goes "i make hacks, try creating something LOL" as his reason for why the hack should be allowed. I can't Imagine playing a game for so long, sinking all that time in, even making hacks for it and still being worse then a guy who just downloaded the game and doesn't know what an RTS is and plays for 6 hours and uninstalls.

And if you need extra convincing

Tupac and dellam had a forum feud, now if I really was dellam, tupac would've found out and exposed it when blid had to delete some of the real life shit they were posting about each other. Tupacs helped me with game related issues, I've given him remote control to two different laptops of mine over the years to fix issues so if he remembers that, he would know my real name does not match dellams when they had their shit going on and tupac posted some of his details on here,  and I've spoken to him with my voice on the war2custom teamspeak long time ago and have asked him for potential multi player campaign mods , since you're part of the USA group, why don't you run along and ask him  if he thinks i'm dellam? I've never had a problem with him, haven't spoken to him in a long time but i consider him a friend due to past help his given me, I don't see why he would lie about me.

To top everything off, this laptop i have now can't actually play war2 since the game will instantly freeze the second a game starts to the point I need to restart my laptop. Anybody who talks to me in the facebook group and discord prior to me leaving both groups know this. So I have not played a match in around 2 years.  I have spent my time speedrunning resident evil 1-3, crash bandicoot 1-3, Oddworld Abes Exoddus and after i got over speedrunning, playing heroes of the storm which is still ongoing.

Any other new topics you wanna change to as you will once again have no point?
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 06, 2019, 11:00:29 AM
No proof of it, but I've always suspected dellam is claw.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2019, 11:07:06 AM
Lol Winchester isn't dellam. Also chop plug in is stupid an should be banned. It gives people an unfair advantage, as small as it maybe. Maybe you guys should focus on getting better instead of trying to make programs to help you
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: tk[as] on August 06, 2019, 11:13:47 AM
^agree.

Change the layout of buildings.. design features. Cool...  But literally anything that gives one player more information in the game than another player is unfair,  even if small like sg said.
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 06, 2019, 01:28:33 PM
I AM CHOP KING AND IT IS I WHO SHUD DO THE SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF CHOP COMMUNITY
what's your opinion on someone using the chop meter if it's not built in for everyone
Title: Re: Choppers already complaining about the chop plugin
Post by: shesycompany on August 06, 2019, 06:13:35 PM
there's a couple of people here that are amazing programmers, they should show off some for the better of the game..as its the same for 20 whatever years..(besides thier work)

but if we gonna dream lets dream..id love to have a bnet extention like zdeamon of doom..

but im not sure if something like that could be built... that would launch the game into the game lobby you clicked.

i have popped into mission 3 or so upon launching war2..but bnet is more  than i can handle.

or a community backed esport do we need cooperations?