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Title: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 12:25:59 AM
i was 1v1ing  eradicate... him an lance built in the game having tower wars on the side.. ruined my win ... warned both..workwork joins the next game (some 1 elses game) this time as a watcher .. he builds in rthe middle an walls off other players units... .. 24 hour ban for disregarding any warning i gave him to not build as a watcher and doing it twice in a row
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 12:52:32 AM
Whats this shit?  I was in TWO of your 1v1's.  The first one was fine,  I didnt build as thats not what I do.  The 2nd one,  you let some noob join your games (workwork) and then he ruined the game by building.  workwork only built in ONE game (yours).  You seriously need to have your adminship removed.  It looks to me more like you ban people simply because they piss you off.  If we used that for criteria, EVERYONE would be banned.  Especially people like Van who will join your game and leave as soon as people's first farm is done.  Just to be a jackass.  Those are grounds for GAME banning.  Not server banning.  BTW,  when he built in your 1v1 at s9,  I saw it and then I KILLED his ass for you.  What do I get for it?  Fucking threats of being banned and shit.  Dude.  Fuck you.  I dont post here often anymore,  but I have to say that you should NOT have any kind of admin abilities.  period.  From what little I've seen of what you do with it,  it's doing nothing but getting rid of GOOD players.  Shortly after you banned workwork,  I also caught wind that you also banned EQ for something EQUALLY stupid.  There arent enough players to ban people just because they piss you off.

If you dont want your games ruined,  dont let unknown players join.  It's that simple.  You dont fucking ban them from the server you jackass.  Especially new players like workwork.

Therefore I'd like to call up a vote to have you removed for being a danger to the health of what few players there are left.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: CLAVV on August 14, 2019, 12:52:45 AM
24 hour ban for disregarding any warning i gave him to not build as a watcher and doing it twice in a row
GEEZ THOSE ADMINS LATELY
IS IL RETARDED?

BAN HIM FROM YOUR GAME U IDIOT, NOT FROM THE SERVER. THE REST OF US CANNOT DO THAT
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: CLAVV on August 14, 2019, 12:57:35 AM
THIS ISNT TK LEVEL BAD OF ADMINSHIP BUT IT IS PRETTY BAD
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Szwagier on August 14, 2019, 12:59:01 AM
Banned not from game but from server cause he made buldings in game as watcher??

show me that rule, where it says if watcher will bulid he will get banned from server


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Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 01:01:08 AM
There is no such rule,  there never has been for very obvious reasons (although I guess not to obvious since common sense has left the building in Banx's/warbux world).  This kid seems to be making up his own rulebook on the fly.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 01:08:13 AM
There is no such rule,  there never has been for very obvious reasons (although I guess not to obvious since common sense has left the building in Banx's/warbux world).  This kid seems to be making up his own rulebook on the fly.

he built in 1 of my games then joined xurnts game an built in his after i jus wanred him about it .. soo felel how ever uw ant i dont care people are not gonna get away with shit like that not while im admin ... thats blatant disrespect for the rules
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 01:09:26 AM
lance whispers me after .. "see how long ur admin when i tell TK" LOL like thats gonna change ne thing.. i dont care for ur personal opinions lance u dont gotta like me but ur gonna respect the server
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 01:20:38 AM
Whats this shit?  I was in TWO of your 1v1's.  The first one was fine,  I didnt build as thats not what I do.  The 2nd one,  you let some noob join your games (workwork) and then he ruined the game by building.  workwork only built in ONE game (yours).  You seriously need to have your adminship removed.  It looks to me more like you ban people simply because they piss you off.  If we used that for criteria, EVERYONE would be banned.  Especially people like Van who will join your game and leave as soon as people's first farm is done.  Just to be a jackass.  Those are grounds for GAME banning.  Not server banning.  BTW,  when he built in your 1v1 at s9,  I saw it and then I KILLED his ass for you.  What do I get for it?  Fucking threats of being banned and shit.  Dude.  Fuck you.  I dont post here often anymore,  but I have to say that you should NOT have any kind of admin abilities.  period.  From what little I've seen of what you do with it,  it's doing nothing but getting rid of GOOD players.  Shortly after you banned workwork,  I also caught wind that you also banned EQ for something EQUALLY stupid.  There arent enough players to ban people just because they piss you off.

If you dont want your games ruined,  dont let unknown players join.  It's that simple.  You dont fucking ban them from the server you jackass.  Especially new players like workwork.

Therefore I'd like to call up a vote to have you removed for being a danger to the health of what few players there are left.


u know lying doesnt really work ehre right???  saying i banend my friend equinox.. u know theres stats on all this right? people can check whos banned an by who riightt?? nice try tho making things up to spice up ur claim FAIL
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Szwagier on August 14, 2019, 01:25:33 AM
There is no such rule,  there never has been for very obvious reasons (although I guess not to obvious since common sense has left the building in Banx's/warbux world).  This kid seems to be making up his own rulebook on the fly.

he built in 1 of my games then joined xurnts game an built in his after i jus wanred him about it .. soo felel how ever uw ant i dont care people are not gonna get away with shit like that not while im admin ... thats blatant disrespect for the rules


Doesnt matter, you got option to ban him from game
@~ToRa~ @iL
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 01:34:36 AM
Whats this shit?  I was in TWO of your 1v1's.  The first one was fine,  I didnt build as thats not what I do.  The 2nd one,  you let some noob join your games (workwork) and then he ruined the game by building.  workwork only built in ONE game (yours).  You seriously need to have your adminship removed.  It looks to me more like you ban people simply because they piss you off.  If we used that for criteria, EVERYONE would be banned.  Especially people like Van who will join your game and leave as soon as people's first farm is done.  Just to be a jackass.  Those are grounds for GAME banning.  Not server banning.  BTW,  when he built in your 1v1 at s9,  I saw it and then I KILLED his ass for you.  What do I get for it?  Fucking threats of being banned and shit.  Dude.  Fuck you.  I dont post here often anymore,  but I have to say that you should NOT have any kind of admin abilities.  period.  From what little I've seen of what you do with it,  it's doing nothing but getting rid of GOOD players.  Shortly after you banned workwork,  I also caught wind that you also banned EQ for something EQUALLY stupid.  There arent enough players to ban people just because they piss you off.

If you dont want your games ruined,  dont let unknown players join.  It's that simple.  You dont fucking ban them from the server you jackass.  Especially new players like workwork.

Therefore I'd like to call up a vote to have you removed for being a danger to the health of what few players there are left.


u know lying doesnt really work ehre right???  saying i banend my friend equinox.. u know theres stats on all this right? people can check whos banned an by who riightt?? nice try tho making things up to spice up ur claim FAIL

What in the fuck are you babbling about.  I joined a game with YOU in it,  then someone named "Equiinox" joined and I said "FAKE EQ".  Then EQ said no it's me.  I then said "Then get on the right name".  You know what his reply was?  You should,  because you're the one that answered it.  You said and I quote "He cant,  I server banned it".  Then I asked "What?  for what?".  You then said "For ruining my game".  Thats when I left the game lobby and server mailed TK about this horseshit you've been doing.  Then I come here and see this.

BTW NONE of these are excuses to server ban people.  You have a GAME ban that's built into the game itself for a reason.  USE IT.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 01:38:38 AM
Whats this shit?  I was in TWO of your 1v1's.  The first one was fine,  I didnt build as thats not what I do.  The 2nd one,  you let some noob join your games (workwork) and then he ruined the game by building.  workwork only built in ONE game (yours).  You seriously need to have your adminship removed.  It looks to me more like you ban people simply because they piss you off.  If we used that for criteria, EVERYONE would be banned.  Especially people like Van who will join your game and leave as soon as people's first farm is done.  Just to be a jackass.  Those are grounds for GAME banning.  Not server banning.  BTW,  when he built in your 1v1 at s9,  I saw it and then I KILLED his ass for you.  What do I get for it?  Fucking threats of being banned and shit.  Dude.  Fuck you.  I dont post here often anymore,  but I have to say that you should NOT have any kind of admin abilities.  period.  From what little I've seen of what you do with it,  it's doing nothing but getting rid of GOOD players.  Shortly after you banned workwork,  I also caught wind that you also banned EQ for something EQUALLY stupid.  There arent enough players to ban people just because they piss you off.

If you dont want your games ruined,  dont let unknown players join.  It's that simple.  You dont fucking ban them from the server you jackass.  Especially new players like workwork.

Therefore I'd like to call up a vote to have you removed for being a danger to the health of what few players there are left.


u know lying doesnt really work ehre right???  saying i banend my friend equinox.. u know theres stats on all this right? people can check whos banned an by who riightt?? nice try tho making things up to spice up ur claim FAIL

What in the fuck are you babbling about.  I joined a game with YOU in it,  then someone named "Equiinox" joined and I said "FAKE EQ".  Then EQ said no it's me.  I then said "Then get on the right name".  You know what his reply was?  You should,  because you're the one that answered it.  You said and I quote "He cant,  I server banned it".  Then I asked "What?  for what?".  You then said "For ruining my game".  Thats when I left the game lobby and server mailed TK about this horseshit you've been doing.  Then I come here and see this.

BTW NONE of these are excuses to server ban people.  You have a GAME ban that's built into the game itself for a reason.  USE IT.

that was work work genus he cant getr on his work work name cuz its banned for 24 hours ... it was Equiinox wit 2 i's in it smart guy
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 01:42:58 AM
I see you didnt pick up on the fact that I already knew it was a fake EQ.  That could possibly be why I stated "Fake EQ".  You then continued to insinuate that you had banned EQ (not workwork).  I took your word for it.  So if you lied about that,  then I guess you lied about it.  But that still doesnt excuse the ban on Workwork either.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 07:33:03 AM
I don't think problems in game or bannable offenses. Other than Banning them from the game itself
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 07:36:53 AM
Show me the game report and I can add the win to the ladder
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 07:45:49 AM
Paperboy would literally be permanent banned from the server. He will make sappers in one versus ones as a watcher and start demolishing somebody before the game is over
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 09:56:34 AM
Ahh yes I forgot about that one.  He has done that to me zillions of times.  He does it to whoever he thinks is going to win but usually holds off until its impossible for the eventual winner to lose.  Sometimes tho, its to much and he causes u to lose.  Still funny though.  So I rest my case,  this kid should NOT be an admin.  He is literally abusing it by making up rules as he goes along and the server cannot have that.  Its far to toxic.  Maybe have PB take his place instead,  I think he would be a more fair person since he understands the difference between a game ban and a server ban ;)  Im sure there is probably at least one or two others who could fill the role also.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 14, 2019, 11:25:29 AM
Building then attacking players when you are supposed to be watching is not ok.

So you say people have been deliberately destroying games for like this for years and nobody did anything about it? Too cliquey?

Sounds like we finally have the right admin with the balls to do something about it.

Having a name locked for 24 hours is a very minor slap on the wrist. So he has to smurf for a day - big deal. Somone should also remind him that using the name "Equiinox" is most definitely against the server rules.

-- edit --

BTW I was also in the game where "equiinox" joined and that conversation took place. Initially I thought bux was talking about the real eq also but he didn't say that and I realised later in the conversation what he meant. I can understand where the confusion came from but no need to accuse anyone of lying.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 11:49:41 AM
Its just always been something left in the power of the players.

pb has been banned from games for doing that.

Just recently jayhawkers built in one of my games. It was a 3v3 I think and he was supposed to be a watcher. He said 6v1? .. then built and attacked players.. I banned him the next game. Then he rejoined on a smurf and I banned that name from game... then booted all no-name from the game and played with no issues.

So it costs players..

The "rules" for the most part have always been decided by the community as a whole. The community overwhelmingly feels that pulling stunts like that in games should be left to the players/hosts in the games.

If this is something the community wants to reevaluate then maybe make a post about it... but that will lead to other issues getting re-evaluated.

One of the things warbux mentioned was the blatant disrespect from work work. I agree its disrespectful and frustrating but if we are going to implement policies based on blatant disrespect van[z] will be the next to go.

Nothing wrong with having a serious discussion about what's going "too far" and what the consequences should be. See where it goes.
 
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 14, 2019, 12:04:51 PM
The "rules" for the most part have always been decided by the community as a whole.

OK. But the community was shrinking at an alarming rate, which as I understand it is why we have two new admins - to change that.

I realise that this is not the way things have been done in the past, and I was actually surprised when I first found out, and I admit that my immediate gut reaction was that it was wrong.

However after thinking about it I decided I liked it. Then I thought about it some more and decided i really liked it.

WorkWork is ok, he's not the worst guy around or anything. Sounds like he was lead astray and then got a bit carried away with it. He got a warning first. Now he has been given a very minor slap on the wrist and he is probably much less likely to interfere with game in the future.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 01:55:01 PM
I second the motion to kick warbux from admin. An admin in my eyes is someone who is should be an example of how to act and how not to. Warbux cries hack at anyone who rapes him then refuses to accept an ss. What kind of admin is this? Ok so he knows how to make mods and shit, big deal. He can make them without being an admin. The n the workwork thing happens just to top things off.

REMOVE HIM!!
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 14, 2019, 02:03:44 PM
There are plenty of non-admin modders doing excellent work (and imo better work,  Fois's latest mod is top notch stuff).  Just recently Fois produced something that has been a known possible fix for literally decades and something I'd created myself years ago for a previous version using similar methods (tupac called it a virus at the time lmfao).  So he should be just fine without being an admin.  It doesnt hinder his modding productivity/ability at all.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 02:07:54 PM
I know thats what i mean. He can continue to help in modding etc. But being an admin is out of his stratosphere.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 02:20:38 PM
Any admins whos stay in Van clan should be remove of their position.

This dude his destroying the community all day long and those admins support him.

After they com back and complaint because a poor newbe ruined a game when van ruine everyone life.

What a bunch of retards.

Warbux and burnt, you both bad admins.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: jordan4385 on August 14, 2019, 02:37:42 PM
Any admins whos stay in Van clan should be remove of their position.

This dude his destroying the community all day long and those admins support him.

After they com back and complaint because a poor newbe ruined a game when van ruine everyone life.

What a bunch of retards.

Warbux and burnt, you both bad admins.

^^
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 02:41:29 PM
I agree. Since we are kicking warbux from admin, might as well kick van from RU as well for being a worthless scrub mongoloid dweeb.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 14, 2019, 02:48:24 PM
Every single one of you would have been yelling worse abuse at workwork if he was doing that to you (me too).

Why not do something about it?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 02:50:45 PM
An in game ban would suffice honestly. Like tk said, keep banning smurfs until you know everyone in the game. Its pretty simple. Especially for someone who supposedly preaches "let the noobs play" like warbux. This is disappointing.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 03:29:11 PM
Yesterday van told me: You have maybe beat the cancer but hes gonna com back, hes always com back and you gonna die, everyone will cheer about it and make a party, nobody love you.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 04:04:17 PM
Literally every single Exchange I see him in with the exception of his clan members he is aggressively harassing whoever he is talking to. Including myself. All I have to do is beat him in a game and he goes on a rampage about my wife and kids
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Shotgun on August 14, 2019, 04:19:11 PM
Haha. So we ban someone for building in a game but we allow people who attack the server regularly to continue to post on our forums and advertise their own server, what a wonderfully run place this is.

You cannot ban him from the server for building in your game, learn to host and ban him before you start the game, if he did it two games in a row then you should probably ban yourself for not kicking him from the next game.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 14, 2019, 04:41:43 PM
It has never been against SERVER rules to build as a watcher.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 05:09:57 PM
It has never been against SERVER rules to build as a watcher.

You dont even know your own rules, what an admin, yes it is.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 14, 2019, 07:57:12 PM
It has never been against SERVER rules to build as a watcher.

I do gotta agree with Blid. It isn’t against the server rules to build as a watcher.
It shouldn’t be done but it’s not a ban-able offense.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 08:12:35 PM
Always obey the game creator/host.
Do what he tells to you unless it contradicts these rules, recommendations and your own conscience.
If he asks you to be a watcher, you must accept or leave the game.
If he asks you to play, you must accept or leave the game.

Obey all the players in the game. They’re doing you a favor by allowing you to watch their game. Do what they ask.
Remember, the best watcher is an invisible watcher. You shouldn’t help or disturb anyone who is playing. So, keep your peon as out of the way as possible — don’t let players even see it if possible. Do not interfere with the game in any way.

Move your peon from your starting position to an out-of-the-way location.
Select the most unobstrusive location that is also close to your starting position.
Sometimes watchers will hide somwhere and build, just for fun. This seems okay while that corner is not visible for the players, but it is strongly recommended that beginning watchers don’t build anything at all. Watching the other players will give you insight and help you improve your skills, so it’s important to pay attention.


First of all.

It's a rule to do what ever the hoster or players tell him to do untill its not in this recommendations, or he have to leave the game.

Second of all

it's also against the rule to build in game especially in 1v1 because it directly interfere in the result of the ladder.

Third of all

It's not again the rules to build in game cuz sometime people dont know it or someone else try to kill them, so it's why we dont ban for that cuz we will have to ban alot of peoples.

But there alot of peoples who do it and ask us to forget them cuz it was a mystake and your gonna let them a chance and they fucking build again.

Exemple Fucking trolls like paperbooy or workwork.

I dont see why there no ban on that kind of behavior, people must understand there no tolerance about that and should be punish of being that dumb.

Let it in players hands it's like saying, welcome to the jungle do wtf you want cuz anyway it's a jungle and we dont fucking cares.

I think it's case by case, in that case banx totally told him to not build and he did it, and even after let him a chance he still did it and pose as me.

I dont agree on the fact banx cry about people who ruin games when van does this shit all day long and he dont said a fucking word.

But i certainly agree on the fact that workwork have been advice multiple time by alot of players to do not build and he did it whatever we fucking told him.

Did he deserve a ban? Maybe not a week, but 24 hours? Where is the fucking probleme.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 08:20:00 PM
I believe this list of rules came from something iL put together in 2014. Those are not new rules. And almost immediately after they were created the community seem to shut them down. I'm not saying I disagree with all of them, and honestly I was probably one of the people that was resisting them when they were suggested. It's definitely a slippery slope trying to find a balance within the community.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 08:21:59 PM
It's pretty much been a case-by-case basis over the last decade or so from what I can tell. And the solution to the majority of the issues has just been to let the players handle their own issues without administrator intervention.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 08:28:42 PM
It's pretty much been a case-by-case basis over the last decade or so from what I can tell. And the solution to the majority of the issues has just been to let the players handle their own issues without administrator intervention.

Exactly and this solution fucking suck bro, cuz you let peoples do whatever they fucking want without doing anything and that make good peoples fear to play this game and bad people to follow that behavior.

This is like protecting bad peoples over the good ones.

And i dont said you build your ban..

Like we said it's case by case.

But behavior like paperboy and workwork should be easily bannable because it show it's not a jungle and there no tolerance about that kind of trolls.

If not, it's just like saying, do whatever you want, we dont fucking cares.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 08:33:24 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 08:35:11 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?

You talk about tuktuk?

Do you remember in wich game i did it?

Yours! Why? Cuz you did it to me 1 week before.

Outside of that, tell me when i do this kind of things.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 08:35:31 PM
I also remember somebody who was lagging a couple months ago as a watcher and refused to leave the game, which ruin the game for everybody playing. Should that person have been banned?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 08:37:58 PM
I also remember somebody who was lagging a couple months ago as a watcher and refused to leave the game, which ruin the game for everybody playing. Should that person have been banned?

Yes thats exactly that time you kill me as a watcher and thats why i kill your watchers with tuktuk.

And i told you, i did not refuse to leave i was alt tab.

I always leave when peoples ask me to do.

Why do you act so coward and try to make me look like someone im not?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 08:42:21 PM
You are changing your story now
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 08:43:22 PM
What the fuck you mean?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Shotgun on August 14, 2019, 08:48:44 PM
It's definitely a slippery slope trying to find a balance within the community.

It's quite easy to find a balance to everyone except the admins, none of our admins are leaders.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 09:04:39 PM
This is a simple fix. Admins stfu and do your damn jobs. Ban people from your games and not the server. Everytime i log on theres 14 players on as is. Shitgun is right for once. Thus far our admins havent shown to be leaders. Tk doing a good job with streaming and stuff. Warbux hasnt seemed to do dick all other than be a retard. I dont even know who else is an admin tbh
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 09:05:13 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 09:06:53 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?

Yes totally
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 09:07:27 PM
The point of joining the game as a watcher is to watch the damn game for hacking and cheating and shit. If your joining to watch and you go afk or alt tab then wtf? Then you have the guys who go afk and dont even AV
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 09:10:29 PM
Everyone has different ideas on what is acceptable and what is not acceptable. That includes admins. We do not all agree on the same thing. Obviously there are some actions we can take as individuals that is just common sense. But most situations are not so black-and-white.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 09:11:43 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?

Yes totally

Then I did you a favor. You were lagging. The players asked you to leave. I helped you leave when you were AFK. so why are you mad about it. Why not thank me?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 09:12:18 PM
The point of joining the game as a watcher is to watch the damn game for hacking and cheating and shit. If your joining to watch and you go afk or alt tab then wtf? Then you have the guys who go afk and dont even AV

Dude we play almost 5000 games per years, it's not because it happen once a year we gonna make a big deal about it.

There a difference with ( being know as) and (it was a mistake).

Actually 90% of the times im talking with other watchers about what players do wroong or good.

Im rarely afk and i always av at the begining of the game.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 14, 2019, 09:12:30 PM
Equinox that’s a guide, not server rules. No reference to punishment or anything there. We’ve always preferred to moderate against hacking, not against behavior, though there is some other stuff we sometimes have to deal with
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 09:18:19 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?

Yes totally

Then I did you a favor. You were lagging. The players asked you to leave. I helped you leave when you were AFK. so why are you mad about it. Why not thank me?

Cuz i was not the lagger and being kill by another watcher when it's maybe even you the lagger, make me mad.

Then you told me there was no rules about that and i told myself ok im gonna let some time past and we goonna see how you like that, then i did it to you!
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 09:19:06 PM
Blid are you still admin? What name are you using? I dont think ive seen you on.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 14, 2019, 09:20:42 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?

Yes totally

Then I did you a favor. You were lagging. The players asked you to leave. I helped you leave when you were AFK. so why are you mad about it. Why not thank me?

Cuz i was not the lagger and being kill by another watcher when it's maybe even you the lagger, make me mad.

Then you told me there was no rules about that and i told myself ok im gonna let some time past and we goonna see how you like that, then i did it to you!

You were the lagger. After u died the lag left immediately. All in game saw it.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 09:20:56 PM
Equinox that’s a guide, not server rules. No reference to punishment or anything there. We’ve always preferred to moderate against hacking, not against behavior, though there is some other stuff we sometimes have to deal with

Im sorry to argue with you again but it clearly said.

Do what he tells to you unless it contradicts these rules, recommendations and your own conscience.

Anyway, we all know it's not in the rules, because it's a case by case and it's perfect like that, but it's still should be in the rules for peoples like paperboy or workwork, so when it's time for the ban, there no probleme about it!
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 14, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
What the fuck you mean?

So you are saying that you would have happily left the game, but you were AFK?

Yes totally

Then I did you a favor. You were lagging. The players asked you to leave. I helped you leave when you were AFK. so why are you mad about it. Why not thank me?

Cuz i was not the lagger and being kill by another watcher when it's maybe even you the lagger, make me mad.

Then you told me there was no rules about that and i told myself ok im gonna let some time past and we goonna see how you like that, then i did it to you!

You were the lagger. After u died the lag left immediately. All in game saw it.

Pretty hard to believe because i never lag, maybe conflict but certainly not lag.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Player on August 14, 2019, 10:57:30 PM
Shouldn’t be banned for this, very bad judgement.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:13:45 PM
listen i dont like banning people an i been 1 to say no 1 should be banend but ... a 24 hour ban is a slap on a wrist an i didnt ban him for building in my game i banned him for  doing it repeatively ... i like work work an get along with him fine an he understands why i did it ... im not gonna sit here an be an admin for nothing .. im for enforcing rules an i dont like shit gettin by for nothing .. if u guys made rules againts talking shit ida banned van to i dont care whos in my clan makes no difference u break rules u get a warning u do it again then u should be put in time out simple as that .. an ima push for that til were all on the same page
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:14:42 PM
and as for the hackers making comments... will see how well u play when AH is enforced lol
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:20:25 PM
I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?


no 1 is banning people for building in games... its the fact they proceed to do it after being warned.. if a admin warns u bout sumthin for the better of  the server an u jus continue to do it ya u should be banned for a small amount of time .. an then think if its worth doing again ... u guys all acting like he built in 1 game an got banned lol didnt work like that
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:22:51 PM
people know im strongly againts hacks an they are shittin there pants scared right now ... if we make AH mandatory there gonna blow donkey balls at the game an there doing everything to stop me from making that happen lol GL WIT THAT
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 14, 2019, 11:38:56 PM
Equinox that’s a guide, not server rules. No reference to punishment or anything there. We’ve always preferred to moderate against hacking, not against behavior, though there is some other stuff we sometimes have to deal with

IMHO That policy has been driving the server into the ground, just because extreme trolling and shit-talking (and yes even hacking) is wrapped up in nostelgia for some people.

This server is like a guy with emphysema wearing an oxygen mask saying, "I always used to smoke back in the day and I was as strong as an ox".

Give it up already.

Did he deserve a ban? Maybe not a week, but 24 hours? Where is the fucking probleme.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:39:35 PM
and lance wasnt u perm banned? for stealing all the users an banning people a while back? ... u hacked intot he servers banned the admins an stole the server im suprised ur even allowed to play here
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 14, 2019, 11:42:52 PM
anywyas i dont care for none of the past... we moving on to a better future... an 1 thing we need to do is enforce rules an number 2 make AH mandatory ... g et rid of this hackin bs once an for all... there is no point of having admins if we cant enforce the rules simple as that ... i dont need admin to host tournies or make maps or anything of the sort .. im admin for 1 reason to make this place a better place... and im a fair person im not bias i dont care if were friends or not im for the rules an so long as every 1 follows them i got no issues
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 14, 2019, 11:55:52 PM
Do people really still hack at this game?

I havent played in 7 years. Who has been actually caught hacking with actual proof? Curious
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 12:16:21 AM
its pretty ovbious when uask sum 1 to ss an they take 30 mins to post it ... an on top of that there not runnin AH
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 12:19:27 AM
I dont find that obvious. Obvious is you have 100% proof. Also as others have mentioned, the AH doesnt even work. But hey as long as everyone has it right
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Szwagier on August 15, 2019, 01:40:29 AM
I dont find that obvious. Obvious is you have 100% proof. Also as others have mentioned, the AH doesnt even work. But hey as long as everyone has it right

He belives people without ah hacks, 0 proof
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Shotgun on August 15, 2019, 02:24:48 AM
listen i dont like banning people an i been 1 to say no 1 should be banend but ... a 24 hour ban is a slap on a wrist an i didnt ban him for building in my game i banned him for  doing it repeatively ... i like work work an get along with him fine an he understands why i did it ... im not gonna sit here an be an admin for nothing .. im for enforcing rules an i dont like shit gettin by for nothing .. if u guys made rules againts talking shit ida banned van to i dont care whos in my clan makes no difference u break rules u get a warning u do it again then u should be put in time out simple as that .. an ima push for that til were all on the same page

If he did it repeatedly you should have banned him from your game!!! Why would you let him watch again when he keeps building?!!? You should ban yourself for being so retarded
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 15, 2019, 04:27:39 AM
If he did it repeatedly you should have banned him from your game!!! Why would you let him watch again when he keeps building?!!? You should ban yourself for being so retarded

Xurnt hosted the second game. You should learn to read.

Like I have said, when I first came back I got banned repeatedly for having AUS on /finger because people thought I was dellam. If I was actually a new player I would have given up and played something else.

If the admins at the time had taken it seriously and jumped on him the first time he did it there might be more people playing now.... but no that was "genius" trolling, because he wasn't doing it in gow games.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 15, 2019, 06:49:10 AM
I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?

no 1 is banning people for building in games... its the fact they proceed to do it after being warned.. if a admin warns u bout sumthin for the better of  the server an u jus continue to do it ya u should be banned for a small amount of time .. an then think if its worth doing again ... u guys all acting like he built in 1 game an got banned lol didnt work like that
That was me talking to Equinox. Equinox was a Smurf.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 15, 2019, 07:18:20 AM
I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?

My opinion: Yes. Someone doing that sort of stuff repeatedly should be warned to stop it and if they continue some official action should be taken against them.

Basically if you're doing something antisocial and a server admin tells you to stop it, then you should stop it. What is so hard about that?

If an admin can't adjudicte about things as they arise then what's the point of having admins?.... what, just to police the SS rule? You can get a badly trained monkey to do that.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 15, 2019, 09:33:01 AM
Blid are you still admin? What name are you using? I dont think ive seen you on.
I'm technically still an admin but my home computer broke awhile back and I haven't replaced it :(  So I mostly just support the active admins and give my opinions/advice to them when something comes up
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 15, 2019, 09:38:01 AM
Like I have said, when I first came back I got banned repeatedly for having AUS on /finger because people thought I was dellam. If I was actually a new player I would have given up and played something else.

If the admins at the time had taken it seriously and jumped on him the first time he did it there might be more people playing now.... but no that was "genius" trolling, because he wasn't doing it in gow games.
That wasn't a lack of will, it was a lack of ability.  We banned dellam many times, but he would reboot and his IPs would change around.  Without a hardware-targeted ban, we'd have to have banned the entire IP range of a major Australian ISP to get rid of him.  I can't recall who exactly the players were but there were Australian people that came forward saying "wtf, am I banned"
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Lambchops on August 15, 2019, 09:55:50 AM
That wasn't a lack of will, it was a lack of ability.  We banned dellam many times, but he would reboot and his IPs would change around.  Without a hardware-targeted ban, we'd have to have banned the entire IP range of a major Australian ISP to get rid of him.  I can't recall who exactly the players were but there were Australian people that came forward saying "wtf, am I banned"

OK I get that, but I was thinking more that things might have been better if someone jumped on him straight away the very first time he started pulling his dodgey trolling stuff and enjoying the attention, and before he styled himself as the multi-proxy trolling hacker that he thought was clever.

As we discovered recently there are still a couple of people here (including admin) who think it was some sort of clever joke. That attitude doesn't suggest that people were initially taking the situation very seriously. Certianly I remember being very surprised when I signed up for the new (this) forum that he was allowed to feed his ego here also and that people were happily interacting with him.


I mostly just support the active admins and give my opinions/advice to them when something comes up

Couple of serious questions for you...


In your opinion:

1) If an admin sees a player doing destructive things and messing up games, should they tell the player to stop it?

2) If the answer is YES then what should the admin do if the player just tells them to fuck off and keeps doing it anyway?

3) If the answer is NO then what's the point of having admins?

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 10:03:57 AM
Admins are in place to do serious things like catch hackers with proof and ban hackers. Not watchers building in games.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: mousEtopher on August 15, 2019, 12:40:39 PM
i actually did something very similar to this the other day -- someone said in the channel that wf2ogre was joining games & ruining them by not building which i've seen someone do before (they built halls/farms/peons and nothing else many games in a row), so i kicked him with /kill and gave a tempban. i didn't think much of doing this because  -- 1) if someone is actively complaining about getting their games ruined repeatedly then i think it's reasonable to try to do something to improve the quality of their gaming experience in that moment, and have done so before with dellam/martin, and 2) i view not building repeatedly as blatant trolling & it's overwhelmingly likely that a troll will know how to change their IP & reconnect almost immediately, so this is like a simple way to inconvenience them & make it slightly less easy/enjoyable to continue doing what they're doing.

maybe this is a little different than workwork if he is someone who plays normally in most games & will occasionally fuck around, rather than someone who joins purely to go on intentional sprees of game ruining (i.e. an obvious troll who has no other purpose than trolling).

it's arguable that policing such behavior can be left up to the game hosts to ban people they know will mess up games, but in that case it gives a troll many opportunities to ruin games hosted by different people which seems avoidable

I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?

My opinion: Yes. Someone doing that sort of stuff repeatedly should be warned to stop it and if they continue some official action should be taken against them.

Basically if you're doing something antisocial and a server admin tells you to stop it, then you should stop it. What is so hard about that?

If an admin can't adjudicte about things as they arise then what's the point of having admins?.... what, just to police the SS rule? You can get a badly trained monkey to do that.
imo this is reasonable, and is essentially what happened when leeroy was harassing babyshark -- leeroy wasn't getting punished for breaking rules (since flaming/trolling isn't against any rule), it was for ignoring admins when they stepped in & told him to stop. so from that perspective Warbux's actions aren't all that extreme. the potential for harm from such a policy also seems very low if all we're talking about is people getting a /kill & 1 hour tempban or a nick locked for 24 hours or w/e, then it's not anywhere near the territory of "omg you're killing the server by banning all these people"

listen i dont like banning people an i been 1 to say no 1 should be banend but ... a 24 hour ban is a slap on a wrist an i didnt ban him for building in my game i banned him for  doing it repeatively ... i like work work an get along with him fine an he understands why i did it ... im not gonna sit here an be an admin for nothing .. im for enforcing rules an i dont like shit gettin by for nothing .. if u guys made rules againts talking shit ida banned van to i dont care whos in my clan makes no difference u break rules u get a warning u do it again then u should be put in time out simple as that .. an ima push for that til were all on the same page
@Warbux this makes sense but i think you should also be willing to hear what other people say about your decisions & be willing to agree to whatever is the consensus. for instance, like you say there's no rule against talking shit but if you started banning people for that at your own discretion & people started complaining that would be similar to what's happening here.

clearly the consensus here is that building in games should be dealt with by game hosts, but i think it's worth talking about whether continuing that practice is causing more harm than good overall & considering alternatives. if we have active admins who are readily available to deal with things then it does seem reasonable to let them and so improve the overall quality of the gaming environment. this should include considering things like 1) do we have the time/manpower to realistically enforce such a policy consistently, 2) do people want to be deprived of their right to fuck around in games, 3) will it do more harm than good by causing retaliatory trolling, 4) do admins ban people for this any time they see it, or only when someone asks for help, etc.


i also don't think Warbux should be demoted from admin or have any of his existing powers removed for one single controversial decision, he's brand new & should be given a reasonable chance to figure out the role. if it becomes a recurring problem or there is a demonstrable unwillingness to cooperate as part of the "admin team" then it will be time to talk about it
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Shotgun on August 15, 2019, 01:40:11 PM
If he did it repeatedly you should have banned him from your game!!! Why would you let him watch again when he keeps building?!!? You should ban yourself for being so retarded

Xurnt hosted the second game. You should learn to read.

Like I have said, when I first came back I got banned repeatedly for having AUS on /finger because people thought I was dellam. If I was actually a new player I would have given up and played something else.

If the admins at the time had taken it seriously and jumped on him the first time he did it there might be more people playing now.... but no that was "genius" trolling, because he wasn't doing it in gow games.



Yeah, no one would care.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Shotgun on August 15, 2019, 01:42:36 PM
i actually did something very similar to this the other day -- someone said in the channel that wf2ogre was joining games & ruining them by not building which i've seen someone do before (they built halls/farms/peons and nothing else many games in a row), so i kicked him with /kill and gave a tempban. i didn't think much of doing this because  -- 1) if someone is actively complaining about getting their games ruined repeatedly then i think it's reasonable to try to do something to improve the quality of their gaming experience in that moment, and have done so before with dellam/martin, and 2) i view not building repeatedly as blatant trolling & it's overwhelmingly likely that a troll will know how to change their IP & reconnect almost immediately, so this is like a simple way to inconvenience them & make it slightly less easy/enjoyable to continue doing what they're doing.

maybe this is a little different than workwork if he is someone who plays normally in most games & will occasionally fuck around, rather than someone who joins purely to go on intentional sprees of game ruining (i.e. an obvious troll who has no other purpose than trolling).

it's arguable that policing such behavior can be left up to the game hosts to ban people they know will mess up games, but in that case it gives a troll many opportunities to ruin games hosted by different people which seems avoidable

I'm just going to throw this out there.. but there was a certain Smurf about 2 weeks ago who went around killing watchers during a game. Should that person have been banned as well?

My opinion: Yes. Someone doing that sort of stuff repeatedly should be warned to stop it and if they continue some official action should be taken against them.

Basically if you're doing something antisocial and a server admin tells you to stop it, then you should stop it. What is so hard about that?

If an admin can't adjudicte about things as they arise then what's the point of having admins?.... what, just to police the SS rule? You can get a badly trained monkey to do that.
imo this is reasonable, and is essentially what happened when leeroy was harassing babyshark -- leeroy wasn't getting punished for breaking rules (since flaming/trolling isn't against any rule), it was for ignoring admins when they stepped in & told him to stop. so from that perspective Warbux's actions aren't all that extreme. the potential for harm from such a policy also seems very low if all we're talking about is people getting a /kill & 1 hour tempban or a nick locked for 24 hours or w/e, then it's not anywhere near the territory of "omg you're killing the server by banning all these people"

listen i dont like banning people an i been 1 to say no 1 should be banend but ... a 24 hour ban is a slap on a wrist an i didnt ban him for building in my game i banned him for  doing it repeatively ... i like work work an get along with him fine an he understands why i did it ... im not gonna sit here an be an admin for nothing .. im for enforcing rules an i dont like shit gettin by for nothing .. if u guys made rules againts talking shit ida banned van to i dont care whos in my clan makes no difference u break rules u get a warning u do it again then u should be put in time out simple as that .. an ima push for that til were all on the same page
@Warbux this makes sense but i think you should also be willing to hear what other people say about your decisions & be willing to agree to whatever is the consensus. for instance, like you say there's no rule against talking shit but if you started banning people for that at your own discretion & people started complaining that would be similar to what's happening here.

clearly the consensus here is that building in games should be dealt with by game hosts, but i think it's worth talking about whether continuing that practice is causing more harm than good overall & considering alternatives. if we have active admins who are readily available to deal with things then it does seem reasonable to let them and so improve the overall quality of the gaming environment. this should include considering things like 1) do we have the time/manpower to realistically enforce such a policy consistently, 2) do people want to be deprived of their right to fuck around in games, 3) will it do more harm than good by causing retaliatory trolling, 4) do admins ban people for this any time they see it, or only when someone asks for help, etc.


i also don't think Warbux should be demoted from admin or have any of his existing powers removed for one single controversial decision, he's brand new & should be given a reasonable chance to figure out the role. if it becomes a recurring problem or there is a demonstrable unwillingness to cooperate as part of the "admin team" then it will be time to talk about it


Lol so we have two shit house admins banning people for ruining games? I don't like newbies who ruin my gaming experience, time to ban everyone except about 5 players.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 15, 2019, 01:50:55 PM
anywyas i dont care for none of the past... we moving on to a better future (AKA I'm now da boss and I'll do whatever I want)... an 1 thing we need to do is enforce rules (meaning the rules I just make up as I go along such as this building in game thing == server bans)an number 2 make AH mandatory (even though it doesnt work properly and it's not even the default DL anymore) ... g et rid of this hackin bs once an for all... (I am pro so anyone who beats me clearly hax == server ban!) there is no point of having admins if we cant enforce the rules simple as that (AKA anyone with common sense shouldnt be an admin thats why I should be admin, I have no common sense!) ... i dont need admin to host tournies or make maps or anything of the sort .. im admin for 1 reason to make this place a better place... (By banning people for stupid reasons that I just make up on the fly!) and im a fair person im not bias i dont care if were friends or not im for the rules an so long as every 1 follows them i got no issues  (I lie to myself a lot,  so I am therefore always fair and right no matter what!  What could possibly go wrong!)

Fixed.  BTW,  you also said and I quote "24 hrs ban on WorkWork and Lance for building in a game!".  I believe u did that as a server announcement or something,  idk.  But you backed off once I started pushing back on it in PM's and then telling you exactly what I was doing (mailing TK,  etc).  Thats the ONLY reason you didnt actually execute the threat against me.  If I hadnt said anything and just rolled over like a good little servant,  you would have done exactly that,  banned me.  You did however ban that other guy which is STILL out of bounds and COMPLETELY inexcusable.  Actions and behavior (aka threats) have consequences,  and you should lose admin for it even if it's only for a period of time (a few months would be good,  give u time to figure out you really dont even need it).  And from the sounds of things around here,  this isnt the only issue that people have been having with you.  I see others agreeing which means that this behavior isnt an anomaly but instead a pattern.

You should not be an admin.  Poll pls. 
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: tk[as] on August 15, 2019, 02:15:13 PM
While i(and many others) dont agree with banning people because they're ruining people's games/trolling.. I think we can agree that none of this would be an issue if people didnt do it.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 15, 2019, 02:25:15 PM
While i(and many others) dont agree with banning people because they're ruining people's games/trolling.. I think we can agree that none of this would be an issue if people didnt do it.

And yet it will always be done.  Whether someone builds or not isnt the issue.  The issue is that it doesnt require admin actions.  BTW,  I didnt build to ruin his game (which he still doesnt get).  I built to kill the jackass who DID build and he was announcing the entire game that he was hunting for me,  so it should come as NO surprise that I'd eventually end up having to build something which is what happened (and I won,  I raped his sorry ass).  Yet he still threatened me like some common jackass that does it in every game.  So if he does these types of threats to people known to NOT build,  how can he be trusted with anything else.  Dude's behavior is the problem here,  not the act of building in a game (which I agree,  isnt cool, but i dont lose sleep over it either, it's just part of the game).
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 02:25:32 PM
While you are right tk. That doesnt excuse the fact that a server ban wasn't necessary.

Watcher wars and such have been going on as long as i remember (at least 20 years) and i dont see an issue with it as long as they arent getting in the way of/touching players.

I do understand that it interferes with ladder rank apparently, but who gives a shit really? I get it if there was a prize or trophy on the line (tournament or bnet ladder seasons) but this is an inactive piece of crap ladder that no one cares about except for a couple people.

Just because warbux doesnt like smurfs and think they all hack doesnt mean smurfs need to have a server ban. If you dont like smurfs then ban from your own personal game. Ive been smurfing for 20 years (when active) and i dont plan to stop.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 05:15:03 PM
So whats the deal..

We let that kind of behavior between players hands and what?

We ban them over and over and over and over and over... And then what after?

Hes gonna do the same thing in other games with other peoples?

So actually the only thing we do his giving the probleme to another ones!?!? Right?

Because actually, this is exactly what happen here with workwork..

Anyone know i booted workwork for a damn week cuz he was building in our games.

And he finally start this shit on Banx games.

He dint came back to me saying, you know nox, im sorry, i understand im not good as you guys are and i should watch to learn and have fun later with all of you.

No he really dint do that, he stop join my games and he start doing the same fucking thing in other games.

It's not a question of build in our games it's a question of behavior.

So what is so hard to ban someone 24 hours or even maybe a week to show exemple and stop that damn behavior once for all.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 05:29:50 PM
This server have never blow up because admins and players are for the most just fucking dumb and lazy.

I always told it and it look like it's still the same after 5 years.

Because seriously you got someone who like this game and work hard for us, he try to make super nice plug-in for us, try to make super nice tourney for us, try to help other the much as he can, try to get rid of hacking, and because he did what you guys consider not right ( banning someone who ruins games repetitivly with a bad attitude ) Now you want to ban the good guys whos want to bring this server in a higher level to protect the one whos actually do the complete opposite and ruins the server. 

You guys really need to considere where you really are, because right now banx got my support and everyone in this thread who talkshit against him are -10 in my book.

Just like that.

fuck all of you  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 05:38:49 PM
And if everyone in this server start to ban workwork, i mean everyone! What gonna happen after?

Oh let me think..... Hmmmm oh yeah right, hes gonna get tire of this game and will never com back at all.

So we just gonna lose another players while a 24 hours ban will probably have better result since he will think about it and fix his behavior.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 05:42:17 PM
listen i dont like banning people an i been 1 to say no 1 should be banend but ... a 24 hour ban is a slap on a wrist an i didnt ban him for building in my game i banned him for  doing it repeatively ... i like work work an get along with him fine an he understands why i did it ... im not gonna sit here an be an admin for nothing .. im for enforcing rules an i dont like shit gettin by for nothing .. if u guys made rules againts talking shit ida banned van to i dont care whos in my clan makes no difference u break rules u get a warning u do it again then u should be put in time out simple as that .. an ima push for that til were all on the same page

If he did it repeatedly you should have banned him from your game!!! Why would you let him watch again when he keeps building?!!? You should ban yourself for being so retarded

once again u dont read.. he didnt do it in my game a 2nd time cuz i owuld boot him he did it in other peoples games after i warned him which is when i banned him
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 05:48:42 PM
That wasn't a lack of will, it was a lack of ability.  We banned dellam many times, but he would reboot and his IPs would change around.  Without a hardware-targeted ban, we'd have to have banned the entire IP range of a major Australian ISP to get rid of him.  I can't recall who exactly the players were but there were Australian people that came forward saying "wtf, am I banned"

OK I get that, but I was thinking more that things might have been better if someone jumped on him straight away the very first time he started pulling his dodgey trolling stuff and enjoying the attention, and before he styled himself as the multi-proxy trolling hacker that he thought was clever.

As we discovered recently there are still a couple of people here (including admin) who think it was some sort of clever joke. That attitude doesn't suggest that people were initially taking the situation very seriously. Certianly I remember being very surprised when I signed up for the new (this) forum that he was allowed to feed his ego here also and that people were happily interacting with him.


I mostly just support the active admins and give my opinions/advice to them when something comes up

Couple of serious questions for you...


In your opinion:

1) If an admin sees a player doing destructive things and messing up games, should they tell the player to stop it?

2) If the answer is YES then what should the admin do if the player just tells them to fuck off and keeps doing it anyway?

3) If the answer is NO then what's the point of having admins?



thats exactly what im saying.. we either do our jobs as admins or do away with admins and have no admins .. cant be inbetween .. its 1 or the other
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 05:51:19 PM
anywyas i dont care for none of the past... we moving on to a better future (AKA I'm now da boss and I'll do whatever I want)... an 1 thing we need to do is enforce rules (meaning the rules I just make up as I go along such as this building in game thing == server bans)an number 2 make AH mandatory (even though it doesnt work properly and it's not even the default DL anymore) ... g et rid of this hackin bs once an for all... (I am pro so anyone who beats me clearly hax == server ban!) there is no point of having admins if we cant enforce the rules simple as that (AKA anyone with common sense shouldnt be an admin thats why I should be admin, I have no common sense!) ... i dont need admin to host tournies or make maps or anything of the sort .. im admin for 1 reason to make this place a better place... (By banning people for stupid reasons that I just make up on the fly!) and im a fair person im not bias i dont care if were friends or not im for the rules an so long as every 1 follows them i got no issues  (I lie to myself a lot,  so I am therefore always fair and right no matter what!  What could possibly go wrong!)

Fixed.  BTW,  you also said and I quote "24 hrs ban on WorkWork and Lance for building in a game!".  I believe u did that as a server announcement or something,  idk.  But you backed off once I started pushing back on it in PM's and then telling you exactly what I was doing (mailing TK,  etc).  Thats the ONLY reason you didnt actually execute the threat against me.  If I hadnt said anything and just rolled over like a good little servant,  you would have done exactly that,  banned me.  You did however ban that other guy which is STILL out of bounds and COMPLETELY inexcusable.  Actions and behavior (aka threats) have consequences,  and you should lose admin for it even if it's only for a period of time (a few months would be good,  give u time to figure out you really dont even need it).  And from the sounds of things around here,  this isnt the only issue that people have been having with you.  I see others agreeing which means that this behavior isnt an anomaly but instead a pattern.

You should not be an admin.  Poll pls. 


i dont see any truth in any of your posts.. u jus seem to make shit up as u go so im gonna stop even paying attention to u good job
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 05:54:49 PM
Blid forget to tell us he dint repair his computer for the last 10 years.

Pretty sure this dude dont even remember how to power properly.

Dude stand around here for the last 10 years just to fuck with everyone.

Dude is here to argue about the rules and talking about Virtual NBA, he dint cares at all of this game.

And the best part is, when he log on, once per year, he do it with smurf just to be sure nobody ask him someting since hes an admin.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 05:57:01 PM
Remove all the admins and let the players police themselves
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 15, 2019, 06:44:34 PM
Admins can tell people not to build as watchers, not to backstab, not to troll, but those are things to be enforced by the community and by game hosts. The job of the admins is almost exclusively to enforce server rules against hackers.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 15, 2019, 07:05:07 PM
The other things I can think of for admins is: action against stolen/offensive/fake names when needed, action against harassment too extreme to settle with a /squelch, action against certain repeated cases of racism... that’s about it
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 07:15:46 PM
Like if Blizzard have never ban accounts on there history.

They even ban me at heros of the storm because i call one of there hero a bitch ( Nova ).

Can you believe this, i spend over 2000$ in this game and they ban me cuz i call a VIRTUAL HERO a bitch!

Do you know what, i still play this game and i have never call any virtual heros a bitch again.

And you scare to ban peoples because they have bad behavior with real emotional peoples?

Seriously blid, go back to your NBA thread where you are really usefull.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: {Lance} on August 15, 2019, 07:45:50 PM
he did it in other peoples games after i warned him which is when i banned him

Keep your nose where it belongs.  In YOUR games.  Simple.  The other host could easily have banned him from the next game if he so desired.  NO admin intervention required.  You can try to deny it all you want but you know I'm 100% correct that your behavior is going to cost you exactly what I told you it would,  your adminship.  You dont just go around banning people just because you think you are some king shit.  Every admin here is telling you that it's not a server bannable offense,  never has been, NEVER WILL BE.  Yet you've been GLOATING about doing it anyway and that kind of shit just doesnt fly with me.  Especially when you threaten ME with the same bullshit.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 07:49:42 PM
Do people really still hack at this game?

I havent played in 7 years. Who has been actually caught hacking with actual proof? Curious

Most of them hacks, just this week i caught 3 hackers, but i dint even told it because i know blid and iL will bring us the most pathetic excuses ever like they have always do since the last 15 years.

- False report,
- brother was using his account,
- We cant do shit cuz they use proxy,
and the list goes on and on and on.

There 2 screenshot of 2 hackers i caught this week and i also caught twn cancel but i dont have the ss..

Dont remember who was in my team but he even see it.. I think it was Harrywangs.

We were 11-2 and cancel forget to ac his ally and he told em exactly where we are before our hall was even finish.

Me and my pard was like, really, did that just happen?

IronHornet: https://imgur.com/bMMT86h
Ragner 1: https://imgur.com/pWajZeF
Ragner 2: https://imgur.com/4C7Ozvb

All those guys are russian, thats why they dont do shit cuz iL protect the russian community and they almost all hacks.

Almost every russians and european players are not using anti hack, because they cant hack with anti hack so they use different version to hack and they cant get caught.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 07:59:51 PM
Well warbux? Make yourself useful for once and ban the actual hackers that have proof against them.

Ragner obv using spoof hack in that ss.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 08:02:20 PM
Pretty sure Warbux will do it, but il and blid will find excuses and tell him to not do shit at all, believe me on that.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 08:03:48 PM
if we banned hackers there wouldnt be much left to play with i think alot of people got to the point where they feel like since every 1 else is doin it they gotta do it to keep up ... we need to prevent hacking from happening... tweak AH to work more efficiently .. make it mandatory for every 1 to use ... and unfortunatly il is the only 1 in this department an hes doin the best he can do on his free time an doesnt get paid for this .. so we gotta wait til he finds time to get to it ... but until then theres not much we can do but call them out on it .. unless any 1 else has any other suggestions?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 08:04:37 PM
Well warbux? Make yourself useful for once and ban the actual hackers that have proof against them.

Ragner obv using spoof hack in that ss.

Yes and ironhornetz is know as Unkown raport value, that mean the anti hack have receive unknow rapport valu from ironhornetz and he dont know wtf is that.

Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 08:05:51 PM
and another thing ... they can make a new name an get right back on .. so really banning doesnt help much all it does is piss the person off which might help as a slap on the wrist they lose that account or they cant play on it for the time there banned for ...

but like i said trust im working on pushing to make ah mandatory an i know il is working on making it more efficient
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 08:11:34 PM
if we banned hackers there wouldnt be much left to play with i think alot of people got to the point where they feel like since every 1 else is doin it they gotta do it to keep up ... we need to prevent hacking from happening... tweak AH to work more efficiently .. make it mandatory for every 1 to use ... and unfortunatly il is the only 1 in this department an hes doin the best he can do on his free time an doesnt get paid for this .. so we gotta wait til he finds time to get to it ... but until then theres not much we can do but call them out on it .. unless any 1 else has any other suggestions?

Thats not true, il dont have time to do shit cuz he spread the community in 2 part, RUSSIAN and REST OF THE WORLD...

So everytime he need to do a minor fix on something he have to do it 2 times, 1 time for the russian, 1 time for the rest of the world.

Exemple, instead of making 1 WORLD forum for everyone, he make 2 different forum, one for the russian, one for the rest of the world.

So basicly he need to spread his time between 2 different community for absolutly no reason.

If everyone was on the same forum, same version, same everything, we will have so much more time to work on this server IN GENERAL.

But thats not the case, we got someone who decide to work harder for the russian over the rest of the world.

And it's a damn shame when you know he build that server from our old community (warcraft II battle edition).
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 08:12:58 PM
and another thing ... they can make a new name an get right back on .. so really banning doesnt help much all it does is piss the person off which might help as a slap on the wrist they lose that account or they cant play on it for the time there banned for ...

but like i said trust im working on pushing to make ah mandatory an i know il is working on making it more efficient

Thats not true at all, people are playing this game to be someone, do you really think the dude with 4000 games want to lose his account for a smurf?

Ban his account and i tell you in 2 weeks he com back and tell sorry to everyone cuz he want to be who he really is.
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 15, 2019, 08:23:00 PM
Here is another good exemple of what i talk..

Dude make a nice warcraft II campain, but instead to did it in english and everyone can play with it..

He did it in russian!!!

Now hes asking people to make different language version of that shit.

the fuck you talk about? Nobody cares of russian language and nobody care of french language, our universal language is english, why dont you fucking work in english directly? Because russian cant understand english? Who fucking cares, i am french and i have learn english like everyone else, i dint ask favor to have french version of everything cuz i think i am special over the rest of the world.

Now, all these useless time using to make this campain in different language could be use instead to do new things, but we cant cuz everyone gonna waste there time on this stupid useless project.

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,5045.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,5045.0.html)
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: baRa on August 15, 2019, 08:24:18 PM
Lance and equinox for admin
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Warbux on August 15, 2019, 09:55:07 PM
and another thing ... they can make a new name an get right back on .. so really banning doesnt help much all it does is piss the person off which might help as a slap on the wrist they lose that account or they cant play on it for the time there banned for ...

but like i said trust im working on pushing to make ah mandatory an i know il is working on making it more efficient

Thats not true at all, people are playing this game to be someone, do you really think the dude with 4000 games want to lose his account for a smurf?

Ban his account and i tell you in 2 weeks he com back and tell sorry to everyone cuz he want to be who he really is.

u could be right in that sense
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Winchester on August 16, 2019, 02:11:34 AM
They even ban me at heros of the storm because i call one of there hero a bitch ( Nova ).

Can you believe this, i spend over 2000$ in this game and they ban me cuz i call a VIRTUAL HERO a bitch!

Haha that's funny, nova is a bitch in the starcraft story from what i remember as well. The same game where kerrigan actually calls herself The queen bitch of the universe.
Nova is such a liability hero in ranked, theres just alot of heroes that can do exactly what she does but better. Shes up there with butcher, valeera as a liability pick. Even murky does better then them in higher rank.

That said, why did you spend $2000 on cosmetics?
Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Equinox on August 16, 2019, 02:26:43 AM
They even ban me at heros of the storm because i call one of there hero a bitch ( Nova ).

Can you believe this, i spend over 2000$ in this game and they ban me cuz i call a VIRTUAL HERO a bitch!

Haha that's funny, nova is a bitch in the starcraft story from what i remember as well. The same game where kerrigan actually calls herself The queen bitch of the universe.
Nova is such a liability hero in ranked, theres just alot of heroes that can do exactly what she does but better. Shes up there with butcher, valeera as a liability pick. Even murky does better then them in higher rank.

That said, why did you spend $2000 on cosmetics?

At that time we had like 20 heros only and nova was a really big face for the franchise since she was a pretty popular female from starcraft.

The fact is nobody knew how to play good with her and everyone was always losing with her when someone pick her, so everyone was mad at peoples who were picking nova.

And everytime someone was piking her, i was there saying, omg you dint fucking took that bitch for real, so peoples was flaggin me as toxic and they finally ban me for 24 hours. Lol

So i send a ticket to blizzard because i wanted to know wtf it was, and they told me i have been report too much for calling nova a bitch and it was innapropriate.

But it work cuz actually i dint want too get ban again so i just start to shut my mouth.

Why did i spend 2000$ on heroes? cuz i like that game, simple as that.



Title: Re: 24 hour ban to workwork
Post by: Winchester on August 16, 2019, 03:40:00 AM
The fact is nobody knew how to play good with her and everyone was always losing with her when someone pick her, so everyone was mad at peoples who were picking nova.

And everytime someone was piking her, i was there saying, omg you dint fucking took that bitch for real,

It's still like that today haha. people rage at people who even hover over nova XD, then they rage even more when the nova decides to go Triple Tap instead of Precision Strike XD.

She can be nice in the lower ranks but yeah, anything above diamond, maybe even platinium she just has a really hard time with everything. Including her specialty, Killing people. She definitely needs a major rework like the one Raynor and kerrigan got. With all the new heros that came out after her, alot of them can do the same things she does but better and then some extra, like good wave clear. Novas only good wave clear is if she uses her ultimate on a minion wave haha.




Why did i spend 2000$ on heroes? cuz i like that game, simple as that.

Fair enough, novas got like another 5-6 limited edition skins that came out a week ago if you got the shards to buy em.