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Title: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 18, 2019, 06:22:57 AM
HELLO,

I PLAYED A 2V2 KOTR GAME WITH LAMBCHOPS. I NOTICED LOTS OF SHADY STUFF BUT HAD NO RECORDING OF IT. THEN DROID TOLD ME HE ACTUALLY RECORDED THE GAME. BELOW IS THE INSIGHT REPLAY PLUS MY ANALYSIS

MACRO HACK USER: LAMBCHOPS
MACROS USED: AUTOMATED OGRE PRODUCTION, AUTOMATED OGRE MOVEMENT
POSSIBLE MACRO USED: PEON PRODUCTION (THIS IS JUST A GUESS GIVEN HIS LOW APM AND SHITTON OF IDLE PEONS)

KOTR IS A MAP THAT REQUIRES U TO BUILD MANY HALLS, PEONS, RAXES AND KEEP PUMPING OGGERS. HEAVILY APM FOCUSED MAP, BUT SOME PEOPLE GET LAZY IT SEEMS
Warcraft 2 - Macrohacks in a friendly KOTR game - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7nxnYgK3IJ0#)

WAR2 INSIGHT RECORDING AVAILABLE UPON REQUEST (THANK YOU DROID)

WHILE I APPRECIATE ALL THE WORK LAMBCHOPS DID (THE PLUGINS, THE CHOP MAD AI), I SPECIFICALLY ASKED HIM NOT TO USE ANY OF HIS HACKS IN OUR FRIENDLY KOTR GAME. I ASKED BEFORE THE GAME AND DURING THE GAME AS I SAW THE SUSPICIOUS ACTIONS. HE DECIDED TO SHIT ON MY GENTLEMAN REQUEST AND REFUSED TO SATISFY ME, THEREFORE I MAKE THIS RECORDING PUBLIC. I THINK HE MISSED THE PART WHERE I LITERALLY HATE ALL THE HACKING IN MY GAMES

MORE CONTEXT OF THE GAME AFTERMATH HERE:
http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,5106.0.html (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,5106.0.html)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 18, 2019, 06:35:40 AM
I SUGGEST LAMBCHOPS FOCUSES ON CREATING USEFUL WAR2 TOOLS AND NOT RUINING GAMES WITH HACKS (THEN MOCKING THE PLAYERS WHEN HE WINS THE GAME)

 :salty: :salty: :salty:
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 18, 2019, 06:43:53 AM
lol yeah ok funny shit. If I have some magic trick how did you make just as many ogres as me? You're a walking macro library, you deserve all you get.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Winchester on August 18, 2019, 07:09:58 AM
Who'd have thought that the guy trying to frame people for hacking was actually using it as a distraction to hide the fact  that he was the one hacking.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: tk[as] on August 18, 2019, 07:23:23 AM
I'd like the insight. Won't be able to look at it till next Sunday though.

Pretty fucked up..
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: tk[as] on August 18, 2019, 07:29:52 AM
Very impressive that claw was able to not only keep up, but surpass lamb chops in some of those statistics. That must take an insane amount of skill to do versus somebody using automated ogre production and automated ogre control
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: maciek on August 18, 2019, 07:32:42 AM
And lamb showing his statistics ss - very disgraceful
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 18, 2019, 07:44:06 AM
Very impressive that claw was able to not only keep up, but surpass lamb chops in some of those statistics. That must take an insane amount of skill to do versus somebody using automated ogre production and automated ogre control

IS THIS IRONY OR NOT? CUZ I WAS AT THE VERY TOP OF KOTR "SCENE" (3 PLAYERS? LOL) SINCE 2012-ISH.
LMK WHEN YOU CAN WATCH IT AND I WILL PM IT TO U. IM SURE U'D LIKE TO ANALYZE MY OWN GAMEPLAY AND NOT MUCH MORE.
WHICH IS FINE BUT REPS OF MY KOTR GAMEPLAY HAVE BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR YEARS

EDIT:
THIS IS OLD ASS 6 YRS AGO GAME. NOT SURE HOW I FROM 2019 COMPARE. BUT THAT GAME HAD THE SELF-PROCLAIMED #1 FASTEST PLAYER ON THE SERVER (MASTA{HR}) AND I HAD 1.6X HIS UNITS
Kotr 2v3, Claw vs nubs - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO0rWMWPSmA#)

EDIT 2: ATTACHED REPLAY + MAP.
KEEP IN MIND ONE RANDOM SIMULTANEOUS OGGER PRODUCTION FROM A COUPLE OF RAXES MEANS NOTHING AS THERE ARE LAG SPIKES. HOWEVER, THINGS WE SEE IN THE VID I PROVIDED IS VERY CONCLUSIVE. WARVID IS ALWAYS MORE RELIABLE SOURCE AGAINST MACROS THAN INSIGHT (AND I AM HAPPY TO HAVE A WARVID KOTR SERIES)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 18, 2019, 08:06:26 AM
You know lamb some people got 400 apm, you should check sc players

If is that true he should get banned for week and if he will still do it ban


Its funny that player with AH using illegal stuff, while most people without ah are clear
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: tk[as] on August 18, 2019, 08:21:23 AM
Insanely fast. You're so fast and accurate in the replay it almost looks ike you're able to click the barracks and type O at the same time. And click on hall and P. Very impressive speed.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 18, 2019, 08:27:18 AM
Insanely fast. You're so fast and accurate in the replay it almost looks ike you're able to click the barracks and type O at the same time. And click on hall and P. Very impressive speed.
THX

ALL LEGIT TOO (DOUBLECLICK, THE ONLY MACRO I USE, ISNT USED BY ME IN KOTR, ONLY IN BGH NO-AIR FOR LUSTING)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 18, 2019, 10:48:23 AM
THE LESSON WE CAN ALL TAKE HERE IS:
1) DONT USE HAX!
2) IT TAKES ONE NEWBIE AND A POWERFUL HACK TO COMPETE WITH A LEGEND
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lone on August 18, 2019, 10:51:08 AM
THE LESSON WE CAN ALL TAKE HERE IS:
1) DONT USE HAX!
2) IT TAKES ONE NEWBIE AND A POWERFUL HACK TO COMPETE WITH A LEGEND
It takes more than that. You could own him in 3 minutes every game, and also can employ sappers, cats, hall blocks and he won't know what to do.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: easycompany on August 18, 2019, 04:36:15 PM
there isnt a hack like that for war2 sc1 maybe .. did they ever give the zerg race build to other units..its not gonna work in war2 anyhow..but as we know the zerg race is made for simple people..only toss and terran is the real races.

but if he did just shows brains over brawn..dont bring a ufc fighter to play war2..get some vodka lamb couple j's if ya did.. 初音ミク Project mirai 2 OP曲『アゲアゲアゲイン』フル ver.PV - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwwU55zBYlQ#)  lets drop those iq's because the world isnt fair

lamb is there any way i can get a kangaroo smuggled here?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Shotgun on August 18, 2019, 06:13:39 PM
LOL, Lambchops cheats and still blows
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 18, 2019, 07:06:59 PM
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: baRa on August 18, 2019, 08:04:38 PM
I was right when i called people like lambchops toxic. You know, the ones who want to supposedly do good for the community but once people start to call them out or question them they do a heel turn (wrestling term). Good job claw on catching this geek
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on August 18, 2019, 08:38:03 PM
Good job claw. Lampchops got mad and tried to discredit me because i called him out on him making his chop counting hack. Looks like not the only hack he been making, what a cheap cheating toxic lowlife
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: {Lance} on August 18, 2019, 11:49:15 PM
WTF?  What retard went and made a chop counting hack?  Thats utterly ridiculous.  That ruins maps like NWTR,  s9/9,  and any map or tactic/strat that requires good micro.  Shit like that should be banned.  Knowing which peon to move of a double chop is absolutely HACKING and shouldnt be allowed.  Those types of things should be awarded to people who pay attention and know because they saw which peon was there first.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 01:48:11 AM
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 02:34:41 AM
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE


It shouldnt be tolerated any macro
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 02:57:45 AM
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE


It shouldnt be tolerated any macro
THAT CONSENSUS IS YEARS OLD AND COULD BE A SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.
ADMINS WERE NOT READY TO BAN PEOPLE FOR USING A BUTTON ON THEIR MOUSE AND THE CASES OF DOUBLECLICK WERE VERY HARD TO PROVE ON THE BASIS OF INSIGHT... OR EVEN WARVID. THEREFORE WHATS THE POINT
ITS NOT ALLOWED PER SE, BUT RATHER FROWNED UPON AND TOLERATED
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: easycompany on August 19, 2019, 10:16:42 AM
 :o yall ever seen these kangaroos ..they like deer but they stand up and hoppity
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: mousEtopher on August 19, 2019, 10:43:20 AM
damn, that looks pretty conclusive to me. that really sucks. ;( good to catch a cheater though.

Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
this is correct. 0 tolerance for a macro like this to auto-train from all rax, it's a pure hack. & i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :P
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 11:50:26 AM
What a good title for this thread. Thanks claw for posting definitive proof of your build macro hacking.

Sorry this is a long post, feel free to TL;DR it if you have no brain and just want to hate - I really don't care.

I have known Claw for quite a few years. I have had many conversations with him - in channel, in private games, via PMs and email. It was actually his idea to make my chop mad bot, which was an interesting experiment. AFAIK its the only external AI (albeit a very simple one) that can play wc2. To build it has a list of tasks that need to be completed then selects peons to perform the various tasks, moving on to the next task when pre-defined trigger points are reached, i.e. when fort upgrade starts -> kill mound.. etc. It also prepares for upcoming tasks by moving building and repairing peons to the required spot to wait for the next trigger. The same command list works for all 6 spots on the map, inverting the layout when necessary. It can do neat stuff like build 9 roosts simultaneously and overload a powermine auto-correcting any stuck peons instantly.

It was a fun project, but it's far from perfect. Peons can occasionally get stuck, and if they are blocking a trigger action then the entire thing stalls. This could be corrected but I have never bothered. The the attack algorithm is very simple, it sort of tries to out-flank the opponent, but again I never really bothered perfecting it. A decent player will still beat it. But it's an AI, not really a macro as such. If this is news to anyone I have posted a full description and video on this forum before. I made the name "bottest" or something and told people what it was when they joined.



Claw is a build macro hacker, I am well aware of this and he knows that I am. I'm sure most of the "pros" know what this means from "back in the day" when they were busy totally destroying the custom maps with this stuff - or at least knew a few people who did, but for anyone seriously out of the loop enough not to know what this means, it works like this:

The simplest kind of macro maker simply records all the keystrokes/mouse actions that are made, so in this way the hacker can make a game on a very slow speed and very slowly and carefully make a very efficient build, wasting no time in building/training/upgrading everything perfectly. Then when they get into a real game they get an automation type program to replay the exact same actions at 2x or 4x (or wvr) the speed ... depending on how slow they recorded it and just like magic they have a super fast perfect build. Claw actually sent me the link to some macro recorder app in like 2014 or something, I've never used it, I have no time for such noobish stuff, but I'm sure its on a backup HDD somewhere...

So for KOTR claw has 8 macros pre-recorded, one for each spot. He has an entire library of this stuff which he has been making and updating for years... (bgh, archers obviously, chop bases/fast towers/hops etc) .... Probably they are set to hotkeys, IDK probably the numpad would be my guess, so as soon as the game starts and he see which spot he has he presses the corresponding key and the script starts. He uses AutoIt for that stuff - the same macro scripting language that was used in conjunction with stealthbot to write the old hostbot (source is on the server website).

So for once the main build has finished he also has 1 or more training macros defined, that simply click each rax and press 'O' to build an ogre. These will just be assigned to another hotkeys so he can rack ogres with one keypress. There's a couple of them to mix it up and hide his tracks, but its easy to see the fingerprints (more on that later).

I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot, but certainly I have no kotr build macros*. In this game my base is built the old fashioned way, that is easy to spot - for starters because I miss place my first hall - eww not a PM how noobish. That's why I put a smith below the hall, normally I do smiths next to the unused corner mine and another hall below the first one, but it is 1 space too low so I corrected with the smith. Also you can see all the peons standing around while I am frantically building rax and farms. I repair build my mound with 6 peons after claw already has ogres in droids base.
 
*Actually now I think of it the mad bot actually started out as a kotr bot but I never really got past the first scout grunt and peons kept getting stuck building farms - it was really terrible first attempt that I never finished and I actually changed/rewrote the code into the mad bot - not really relevant, but had I ever finished it would not be starting to build a mound while it's opponent was already attacking with ogres.

Anyway, it looks like the initial build part of this macro only lasts until about 2:30 or so when he starts making ogres. After that he just slowly finishes off building the remaining rax probably by hand idk.What is pretty clear is that he keeps using macros to train ogres.



--> The easiest way to spot this is to look for the mistakes from when he recorded them, because the same mistakes will keep repeating every time he uses them. The most obvious one in this game can be seen by watching these 2 barracks:


(http://forum.war2.ru/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5117.0;attach=3271)


When he recorded this particular rax macro he got a bit greedy and clicked the second one and pressed 'O' too fast (remember he is recording it at a slower speed), as a result when the macro input is played back into the wc2 client at a much faster speed these 2 events glitch together and occur on the same game cycle, and the ogres build simultaneously. If you look at the insight replay, you can clearly see these 2 rax - and only these 2 rax - glitch together at 2:35, 2:50, 3:20, 3:35, 4:35, 6:55, 7:15, 9:50 and 10:05. There is also at least another 7 times that the 2 rax are almost synchronized but the one on the left is very slightly ahead - which will be the order that they were initially recorded in, but where they haven't glitched.

Putting aside the fact that building simultaneous units is exactly what he is accusing me of, and even assuming that this could randomly happen when playing on fastest speed, there is absolutely no possible explanation for this happening on the same 2 rax out of 20+ rax over and over again all game except for the fact that the exact same mouse/keyboard input is being repeatedly pushed into the client from an external source.

Yes there are also a few times these rax aren't in sync, if you run out of gold or if one is already training etc the macro input wont have any effect, also there is nothing to stop a hacker from manually racking the odd ogre to mix things up, or run a second macro, but none of that changes the facts outlined above. Look for yourself.


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I guess I should put in a small explanation for the odd genuine newb out there who really doesn't know this stuff exists and wants to know OMG what does this mean for gow or other bne/ef games? The answer is: a bit, but nowhere near as much as for customs. For starters there's the obvious fact that in most customs you start with a crapload of res which means you can set up your entire base as fast as you can physically build it (big advantage to hackers like claw), also when the game is on fastest it greatly increases the speed differential advantage.

In bne/ef style games there is much more interaction earlier in the game (well earlier in the tech tree). Basically if an opponent is using a build macro and you enter their base or tower them or whatever and cause them to react to your presence then they have changed their build and at that point any pre-recorded input won't line up with the actual game state so their macro breaks and they have to start playing by hand. Just another reason to scout early!

I'm sure there will be players around who have macros for say pstop rushes at 2, and maybe for duals when playing 1v1 etc.... who knows? But they can only be useful effective as long as you leave them alone. Scout early!


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So let's look at the 2 players. Claw is one of the most renowned hackers in the game. He calls himself "invincible" and goes around yelling in ALL CAPS about how good he is, calling everyone else a whore and spewing nazi hate-speech. He constantly macro hacks in games then brags loudly about it and puts down the people who he just cheated.

Then there's me, who has never claimed to be a particularly good player, I have negative stats on all of my accounts, and I think most people know that I am usually friendly until someone assholish starts shooting their mouth off at me, when I will usually lol at them or occasionally - if they have annoyed me enough - give them a mouthful back. You will almost never hear me brag about winning and you will never hear me blaming my pards for a loss (unless they start trying to blame me).

So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.


its gooder to hax hard and NEVER get caught!


Are you really trying to convince all the people you showed your hacks to that somehow that was just in private and you don't hack all day every day?

yes



So this shit is what happens when you give him a smack for being a racist asshole. Someone who goes around all day screaming the N word then pulls this shit when you call him white trash cracker spawn, isn't a funny troll, just a petulant biggot.


It is also worth mentioning that he seriously tried to blackmail me for $15 to not make this thread ;D ffs seriously. I told the sad little man that if he needed it that badly I would have sent it to him if he just asked, but under the circumstances he could go fuck himself :)


damn, that looks pretty conclusive to me. that really sucks. ;( good to catch a cheater though.


Very glad you feel that way. Have to admit I always assumed you knew he was a hacker, but if you're actually serious don't just skim this post. Read it.

i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :P


No, he made a post because he's two-faced sneaky little asshole and they took his N word away, proving his own hacks was just a byproduct.


I went into that game knowing full well he would be hacking his ass off as per usual, at the end we had around the same number of units, is anyone seriously suggesting that he doesn't hack at this point?... more to the point hack all the time for years and call himself "invincible" and everyone else a "whore" or worse.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 12:02:56 PM
WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. ADMIT YOU MACR0HAXED, ACCEPT YOUR 7 DAY BAN AND MOVE ON AS A BETTER PLAYER, FREE OF HACKS

I NEVER MACROHAXED, NEVER WILL AND I AM WILLING TO PLAY ANYONE WITH WARVID ON. AND ANY1 CAN INSIGHT AND CHECK FOR HAX IF THEY NEED TO, AS YOU PAINFULLY EXPERIENCED HERE

YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A GOOD CUST0M PLAYER. YOURE NOT A PART OF THE CLUB
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 19, 2019, 12:05:11 PM
Claw is an annoying racist yeah.  and I read the whole post, but your accusation still looks theoretical, like postulating.  Some people just are very fast, those two barracks are right next to each other, is this really proof? 

But you definitely had a macro going.  I'm not sure if "do I go around macro build hacking" was a denial?  But the replay speaks for itself in your regard, yes?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 12:09:26 PM
ANY1 CAN INSIGHT AND CHECK FOR HAX IF THEY NEED TO

You'd better hope that they don't.

Panic now asshole.

YOURE NOT A PART OF THE CLUB

Yeah you got that right.

/permasquelch


Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 12:15:39 PM
Claw is an annoying racist yeah.  and I read the whole post, but your accusation still looks theoretical, like postulating.  Some people just are very fast, those two barracks are right next to each other, is this really proof? 



Bullshit. Show me where that has happened on fastest ever, let alone on the same 2 rax out of over 20 repeatedly all game.



No I'm sorry you did not read well enough or just don't want to hear it. Certainly you have not looked at the insight recording yet.

Your choice. I could care less.


-- edit --

Actually I'm sure there will be other recordings around where people have been using macros, that's beside the point.


Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: mousEtopher on August 19, 2019, 12:25:58 PM
interesting counter-accusation against claw -- the plot thickens. but putting that aside for a moment, is this whole post a roundabout way of saying you used a macro hack against claw because it's claw & you know he deserves it because of your insider intel about his own hacks?

I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot, but certainly I have no kotr build macros*. In this game my base is built the old fashioned way, that is easy to spot - for starters because I miss place my first hall - eww not a PM how noobish. That's why I put a smith below the hall, normally I do smiths next to the unused corner mine and another hall below the first one, but it is 1 space too low so I corrected with the smith. Also you can see all the peons standing around while I am frantically building rax and farms. I repair build my mound with 6 peons after claw already has ogres in droids base.
So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.
it looks like you're denying using macros altogether -- so why are your ogres training simultaneously? no one but you is citing some elaborate base-building macro; from the replay it looks like you're building your base manually, training the peons & grunts manually, but once it's time to make ogres they're all training at once, the gold drops thousands at once when they all train, they stop training when there's no farms then all rax instantly train as soon as there's available farms, etc etc. whether claw is hacking or not, we're talking about you rn.

i also confirm that i have read your post in its entirety.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 12:47:26 PM
"Macro hack" sounds so noobish, like something claw would use.

So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.

I went into that game knowing full well he would be hacking his ass off as per usual

I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot


we're talking about you rn.


Oh, I thought we were talking about how good it is to catch a cheater :thinking:

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 12:49:57 PM
It's very late here and I have work tomorrow. I should sleep. Thanks for reading my long post.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 12:52:17 PM
HERE U GO AGAIN SPREADING ALL THE FALSE NEWS HOPING THAT SOME OF IT MIGHT STICK - SAME STRAT U USED AGAINST WINCHESTER = DELLAM CASE
AND YES, SOME PEOPLE MAY BELIEVE U, I WAS NEVER A FAN OF MASSES ANYWAY

I WONT RESPOND WITH WALL OF TEXT (NOT AUTISTIC ENOUGH LIKE YOU, CHESTER OR BABYSHARK), RATHER A TL;DR SUMMARY:

1. CHOP MAD BOT PROJECT = ABSOLUTELY TRUE. I WAS ABSOLUTELY LOOKING FOWARD TO PRACTICE VS AI IN CUSTOM MAPS AS THER WERE LESS N LESS PEOPLE PLAYING. SAME APPLIES TO ARCHERS, WHER IT WAS SUPER HARD TO FIND A REAL CHALLENGE AND TEST NEW STRATS
EVEN MY LAST MAIL TO U SUGGESTED THAT (ALTHOUGH I DIDNT EXPECT U'D BE THE RETARD I MENTIONED THERE)
"cant wait for a good bot on mad and/or archers!

I could also play with the AI if you decide to release it. but im sure if faglords could use it to cheating, they would, so idk about releasing it to the public. too much work just to prevent retards from doing retarded things"

2. NO I AM NOT A MACRO HACKER, THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FALSE. THE ONLY MACRO I USE IS DOUBLECLICK, WHICH I WAS NEVER HESTITANT TO ADMIT. IF IT STOPS BEING "LEGIT" THEN ILL STOP USING IT AS WELL. IN KOTR NO DOUBLECLICK IS USED, HENCE 0 MACROS BY ME IN ATTACHED INSIGHT.
ALL OF THE 'EVIDENCE' IS JUST YOUR WILD ACCUSATION. YOU BASICALLY SAY "HEY I FOUND 2 RAX CLOSE TOGEHTER THAT KINDA MAKE OGGERS FAST OCCASIONALLY, THEREFORE CLAW HAS A FRAMEWORK FOR LITERALLY EVERY POSITION ON EVERY CUSTOM MAP HE'S GOOD AT"
THAT IS, TO PUT IT GENTLY, A WILD EXTRAPOLATION. ALSO FALSE, BUT I APPRECIATE THE BRAVERY AND  :salty: :salty:

YOUR STORY DOESNT EVEN MAKE SENSE BUT EXPLAINING WHY WOULD BE A COMPLIMENT TO IT, SO I WONT BOTHER

CLAW HAS BEEN AT LEAST A TOP3 CHOPPER SINCE 2007 UP TO 2017, DECENT GOWER, VERY GOOD AT KOTR, CHOP MAD, JAMMIN, ARCHERS, MUTTON ETC. IT IS REALLY EASIER FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME (WITH GAMING TALENT) TO BE GOOD AT W2 RATHER THAN BUILDING AN EXTREME LIBRARY OF HAX
JUST TAKE A STEP BACK AND IMAGINE - ONE CAN BE TALENTED AT W2 (CPT CLAW THE INVINCIBLE), THE OTHER AT PROGRAMMING (LAMBCHOPS).
I HAD A VERY TRANSPARENT YOUTUBE CHANNEL, THEN REMOVED IT ENTIRELY, NOW THER'S ANOTHER ONE AND THOSE ARE ONLY LEGIT GAMES. LITERALLY NOTHING SHADY
WITH YOU - A PROGRMAMING GENIUS - IT ONLY TOOK 1 INSIGHT REPLAY TO COMPLETELY PROVE THAT YOURE A HACKER
I WON MANY TOURNAMENTS, $$ INCLUDED, WHERE I HAD TO PROVIDE VARIOUS INSIGHTS OR WARVIDEOS, THEY WERE ALWAYS LEGIT. ME BEING LEGIT MAKES INFINITELY MORE SENSE THAN WHATEVER YOU'RE PROPOSING. BUT AGAIN - YOURE WELCOME TO ANALYZE ALL REPLAYS IN YOUR SPARE TIME

YOUR POST AN ELABORATE "NO U", BUT REALLY - YOUR HACKS ARE BLATANT HERE. ADMIT TO IT AND MOVE ON. MAYBE TRY TO PLAY SOME KOTR WITH ME AND FIND SOME OTHER SHADY PATTERNS SUCH AS OCCASIONAL OGRE PRODUCTION FROM ADJACENT RAXES

LOOK, ANOTHER IMPRESSIVE KOTR GAMEPLAY BY ME. FROM THE VERY SAME SPOT TOO! TONS OF EVIDENCE TO ANALYZE!
War2 1v1 Bgh Kotr mouse vs Claw (Split Screen) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dz1DHKlJ2Y#)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: mousEtopher on August 19, 2019, 01:00:34 PM
"Macro hack" sounds so noobish, like something claw would use.

So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.

I went into that game knowing full well he would be hacking his ass off as per usual

I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot


we're talking about you rn.


Oh, I thought we were talking about how good it is to catch a cheater :thinking:


well let's catch one before we move on to the other. why aren't you talking about your ogres building simultaneously, which they clearly are?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 01:01:39 PM
ANYWAY IN KOTR ITS POSSIBLE TO FIND AN ADEQUATE ENEMY FOR ME. YESTERDAY I PLAYED WITH Silent~Farts AND WE'RE KINDA EVEN (BUT OF COURSE HIS MOUSE WAS 'BROKEN' AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN PWNED OTHERWISE)
ITS NOT A MATTER OF BEING INVINCIBLE, BUT RATHER STICKING TO OUR OWN LEAGUES. EQ WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT U IN B-, BUT YOURE MORE OF A D-. ME, ON THE OTHER HAND.... GRADE A @ KOTR

http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511 (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511)
http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521 (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 01:31:39 PM
TL DR

ok so you won vs claw without macro

so lets play again 1x1 with warvideo, apm,
if you will win again, you are clear,
if game will be very hard for both players, you are also clear
if you lost very badly that mean you had macro,

if you fear mean you had macro

time to ban @iL   @~ToRa~
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Winchester on August 19, 2019, 02:42:30 PM
ENOURMOUS ILLOGICAL PANICKING DUMMY SPIT REMOVED


You got caught hacking, and now you can apply this to yourself too.

You are a worthless piece of shit who has spent countless hours hacking and destroying the game for your own amusement.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Winchester on August 19, 2019, 02:54:13 PM
A frame-up (frameup) or setup is the act of framing someone, that is, providing false evidence in order to falsely prove someone guilty of a crime. While incriminating those who are innocent might be done out of sheer malice, framing is primarily used as a distraction.

Generally, the person who is framing someone else is the actual perpetrator of the crime.

-----

So since lambchops was hacking and tried to frame me for hacking, any plans to ban him for that frame attempt too? @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)  @tk[as]
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 19, 2019, 03:50:05 PM
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing.  I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong.  I do think he's caught hacking here :(

He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 04:06:12 PM
ANYWAY IN KOTR ITS POSSIBLE TO FIND AN ADEQUATE ENEMY FOR ME. YESTERDAY I PLAYED WITH Silent~Farts AND WE'RE KINDA EVEN (BUT OF COURSE HIS MOUSE WAS 'BROKEN' AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN PWNED OTHERWISE)
ITS NOT A MATTER OF BEING INVINCIBLE, BUT RATHER STICKING TO OUR OWN LEAGUES. EQ WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT U IN B-, BUT YOURE MORE OF A D-. ME, ON THE OTHER HAND.... GRADE A @ KOTR

[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511[/url])
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521[/url])


Well... I mean, i dont know if he hacks on gow, but from what i ive seen he hes not so bad, hes clearly not a pro but he is ok.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 04:27:22 PM
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing.  I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong.  I do think he's caught hacking here :(

He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(


he used also double click in normal games, years ago, he should also get banned

even if he made lots of stuff postive(they are very nice!), why we are allowing him to cheat vs another players?
he should get warn ban, and if he will do one more time( someone will catch him again) ban forever, lock his main name

rules are simple
NO CHEATS
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 04:36:38 PM
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: iL on August 19, 2019, 04:53:01 PM
That's sad to say, but yes, the situation looks like hacker caught.
If your opponent is hacking (or supposedly hacking) that's not a reason to hack yourself. That is a reason to eighter not play to him or to report about hacker.
You could probably notify your opponents about the game played with hacks (as to mention hacks in the game name), that's not welcomed, but that'd looked different than now.

As admin i should give you a warning or 1 day ban or w/e, but that looks like more a joke than something serious.
The main problem is now that looks like you just ruined your reputation, Lambchops.

Now you used some simple macro for some reasons, nvm why.
Who can guarantee next time you won't use a little more tricky macro for some more reasons? Say, with small delay between ogres or w/e?

Also, i'm just going to release new combat in a few days with your plugin system, but how that will look like after things happened?
Not sure what i should do now.

Another problem is what to do with such marco hacks for future.
To make warvideo/war2insight records for each game mandatory? Large drive space required...
To add some automatic checks based on warvid/insight replays? Who will implement that?..
Looks too complicated and will not help for 100% cases...

you can clearly see these 2 rax - and only these 2 rax - glitch together at 2:35, 2:50, 3:20, 3:35, 4:35, 6:55, 7:15, 9:50 and 10:05
To read it where? In insight replay? Not sure if insight will show glitches, i'd say no...
If you can show a video or w/e with detailed explanation and prooves against Claw in your game, maybe that would partially explain your position against him, though that's still not acceptable behavior i think...
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 04:58:07 PM
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.
proof it moron or stfu
https://ifotos.pl/z/qswaxnx

there is no information old version is illegal
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:00:57 PM
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.
proof it moron or stfu
https://ifotos.pl/z/qswaxnx

there is no information old version is illegal


Whats this screenie proove? You got 3 different version and they are all rigged?   :rofl: :sweat: :sob:
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 19, 2019, 05:05:36 PM
If you can show a video or w/e with detailed explanation and prooves against Claw in your game, maybe that would partially explain your position against him, though that's still not acceptable behavior i think...
ITS HARD TO PROVE BASING ON ONE REPLAY AND UNLIKE LAMBCHOPS, MY GAMEPLAY IS ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT. I CAN 1V1 ANYONE ANYTIME WITH WARVID/WAR2INSIGHT ON. I ACTUALLY RECORDED 3 KOTR GAMES VS SILENT JUST NOW, HAD POSTED MANY WARVIDEOS OF CHOP MAD OR ARCHERS (EVEN VS SWIFT) ON YOUTUBE. ITS A DESPERATE "NO U" ATTEMPT

Quote
Also, i'm just going to release new combat in a few days with your plugin system, but how that will look like after things happened?
Not sure what i should do now.
YEAH LAMBCHOPS IS A GOOD DUDE IF HIS ATTENTION IS SET IN RIGHT DIRECTION. SINCE THE WOOD PLUGIN HE'S KINDA LOSING IT. SUM KIND OF A SLAP ON THE WRIST OR WAKE UP CALL WITH COLD BUCKET ONTO HIS HEAD WOULD DO...

HACKING VS REAL PLAYERS THAT DO NOT WANT IT IS ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL
DEVELOPING A NEAT AI FOR AUTOMATED CHOP MAD/ARCHERS/KOTR GAMES IS AWESOME

DO NOT MIX THOSE TWO, ADMIT TO HACKING, HUMBLY APOLOGIZE N U KINDA SAVE FACE WHORECHOPS
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 05:06:25 PM
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.
proof it moron or stfu
https://ifotos.pl/z/qswaxnx

there is no information old version is illegal


Whats this screenie proove? You got 3 different version and they are all rigged?   :rofl: :sweat: :sob:


and?? gog version bne version and ru version ??? 2 of them wont work with ru server
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:07:00 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png (https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 05:08:24 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])



show me rule about it
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:09:30 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])



show me rule about it


There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 05:13:26 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])



show me rule about it


There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.





so if there is no rule, im clear and nothing you can do it
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:13:57 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])



show me rule about it


There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.





so if there is no rule, im clear


Clear hacker, yeah.

Grand master my ass, your not even a grand player.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 05:26:21 PM
I already told you, here the version you need.

(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])



show me rule about it


There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.





so if there is no rule, im clear


Clear hacker, yeah.

Grand master my ass, your not even a grand player.



if you think you are better than me you can challenge me for grand master, but first you must get master, I will wait

Rules to get grandmaster bo7 KOTH style gow first
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:30:03 PM
1- Your just a trash for this game, whatever i think.
2- All this thing about legend, grand master and master mean absolutly no shit, it's all rigged like your version.
3- I dont play and encourage hacker.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 05:43:19 PM
1- Your just a trash for this game, whatever i think.
2- All this thing about legend, grand master and master mean absolutly no shit, it's all rigged like your version.
3- I dont play and encourage hacker.

proof it
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 05:56:01 PM
1- Your just a trash for this game, whatever i think.
2- All this thing about legend, grand master and master mean absolutly no shit, it's all rigged like your version.
3- I dont play and encourage hacker.

proof it

Proof

1- You are trash cuz you dont even play against or with the community, your always doing private game with polish and some euro players and not contribute at all on the good devloppement of this server.

2- You are all rigged, Swift never win any tournament to get that legend icon, Your grand master have probably never been own with Anti hack activated, Teaboy have probably never win nothing since you probably have play for him, 00Steve, BHC-Jesk, Alf-Attack probably have never win any tournament or never beat any master to get those titles.. And when someone beat one of the suppose best master 3-0 they said it's not real.
All this shit are rigged and fake.

3- We dont have to argue about that, you dont use anti hack, you encourage hacker and you are probably one, period.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 06:30:28 PM
I won almost every tour in 2017

Admins can check ip, i stopped playing after i crush you 6:0 on teaboy
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 06:31:36 PM
I won almost every tour in 2017

Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.

The real question is, did you ever win a tourney with anti hack.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 19, 2019, 06:32:42 PM
I won almost every tour in 2017

Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.


You can search it on youtube/twitch, rules was about warvideo but i had stream its enough
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Equinox on August 19, 2019, 06:33:55 PM
I won almost every tour in 2017

Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.


You can search it on youtube/twitch, rules was about warvideo but i had stream its enough

I dont cares about your streaming, i repeat my question and answer to it.

Did you ever win a tourney with anti hack?

Yes or no?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: XuRnT on August 19, 2019, 08:06:06 PM
Warcraft 2 Piano Version - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2iF1cNU5nIk#)
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 19, 2019, 11:14:08 PM
well let's catch one before we move on to the other. why aren't you talking about your ogres building simultaneously, which they clearly are?

Shouldn't that question be "why aren't you talking about your ogres building simultaneously vs. another player who's ogres are also building simultaneously?" ???

Not participating in my own witch hunt.

Also, i'm just going to release new combat in a few days with your plugin system, but how that will look like after things happened?
Not sure what i should do now.

I made the plugin framework to support improvements to the game that the community wanted. It does that. If I was intent on hacking for my own purposes you would never know it existed and I would be on the top of the ladder YELLING IN ALL CAPS, but I think everyone here knows I am not interested in trying to pretend I am a great player.

You can use it or don't that is your choice.

Another problem is what to do with such marco hacks for future.

For starters I would definitly declare purpose made automation programs such as AutoIt and AHK etc. illegal hacks. Not to mention stealthbot ffs and whatever else people have been using... idk I don't use them. There is no need to ever run these things to play the game. If someone needs a bot they can use a bot account.

you can clearly see these 2 rax - and only these 2 rax - glitch together at 2:35, 2:50, 3:20, 3:35, 4:35, 6:55, 7:15, 9:50 and 10:05
To read it where? In insight replay? Not sure if insight will show glitches, i'd say no...
If you can show a video or w/e with detailed explanation and prooves against Claw in your game, maybe that would partially explain your position against him, though that's still not acceptable behavior i think...

Just look at the insight recording and keep watching those 2 rax. At all those times they build ogres simultainiouslty - at some other times they also build them very close together.

Then look at the other rax. There is 24 barracks in rows. All the rest of them build ogres much further apart or randomly but only those 2 rax do this, its at least 15 times over a 8 minute period, and 9 of those times the ogres actually build literally simultainiously.

Having this happen even once is extremely suspicious.

Happens 15 times in 8 minutes from only 2 barracks out of 24 ... this is not human player input it is a macro. There is no question about it.


I have to go to work, will see if anyone has decided to get real about this when I get home.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on August 19, 2019, 11:24:48 PM
You are trying to deflect your newbie heart out. You are busted bro. Admin can you please alter his  name to lamechops. Thanks
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 20, 2019, 01:04:28 AM
I won almost every tour in 2017

Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.


You can search it on youtube/twitch, rules was about warvideo but i had stream its enough

I dont cares about your streaming, i repeat my question and answer to it.

Did you ever win a tourney with anti hack?

Yes or no?


I see you are just stupid

Also you are mad, cause we got private games, probably noone likes you, thats sad
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Winchester on August 20, 2019, 01:59:22 AM
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing.  I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong.  I do think he's caught hacking here :(

He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(

Any name he provided that I didn't tell him were me already was false, I told him i was Prasievivec, mrlemonade, mrlemonade[iS], which were my only names i played with, I've not shied away from telling admins to reveal my akas on these forums either, and I don't care if you reveal them right now in this thread even as I  1) really don't have much names, 2) don't care if they are revealed 3) probably forgot the password for them all anyway except the main 3 i play on, 4) some of those names he claimed were me continue to play even after i stopped playing.


He kept repeatedly showing games of people after the first 2 games that are not me to try convince people im hacking. He also ignored any evidence that would clear my name easily. Like you know, his friend that actually doxed the guy and remote accessed my pc? The same doxed information you saw and I could give you remote access to confirm at any time you being one of the head admins and all? Then him trying to feign ignorance about him being doxed when he was told about it literally before he made the thread about me, and even linked the thread in his first post telling him about the dox? He had all the evidence to easily clear me of the accusation before the thread even started and continued with a frame attempt to distract people from the fact that he was hacking.  Theres also a difference between submitting evidence to be examined, and intentionally posting false information knowing they are 2 seperate people already, just to cause trouble.

Again, only the first 2 games in that thread he showed were me (the mrlemonade[iS] games) after I told him who I was (even though he claimed he knew all my akas already so why withhold this information from admins for over 2 years if that were true), anyone else was dellam or snake, which given lambchops just got busted for hacking, and snakes atrocious win/loss in 1v1, lambchops is more likely to be snake then I am, given I can actually beat most of those players he loses to, some whilst even giving them shared vision.

By making the accusation that someone is dellam you are by default saying this player needs to be permanently banned due to dellams actions. It's a frame attempt to try get me permanently banned given he started posting false evidence after the first 2 games. Which even then, those 2 games of me can't even be seen as evidence, they were just games of names I told him I was, playing games at the exact timeframe I told him i stopped playing the game until I started getting the freeze issues. It's not like he caught me lying and they were played 6 months ago rather then 2 years, They're just random games he showed of me for no reason before he started posting false evidence using the games that followed, Including games that took place after I stopped playing.  Again, you're welcome to reveal my akas at any point to confirm
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Zelya on August 20, 2019, 05:06:19 AM
So, there are a lot of macros from Lambchops during whole the game. For example from the game starting:
(http://i.piccy.info/i9/9ebdaeac78bd3a5acee058986272381e/1566290867/12035/1330457/Untitled.png)

You can see that he selected Unit #1523 and move them manually. But later trigger push the next queue of commands:
Select TH, train peon, select previous unit (to continue manual control).
This macro is used during all the first part of the game. Later macros take control under barracks and grunts/ogres. At the end of game Lambchop wasn't playing at all. But more than 100 commands per net cycle were autogenerated (>1000 APM).

I can suppose that Lambchops was trying to test some very quick and dirty implementation of game AI. Because he supported his scripts at the begging of game (when you need to build the base properly) and was very passive at the end of game.


BUT. If this was AI test, why did he not mention about this? Why did he blame Claw? Maybe I missed something in replay, but I cannot see his cheats. Just chaotic manual building, like this:
(http://i.piccy.info/i9/572b4f58a3c53fe50e88b00270ea3b29/1566292058/9331/1330457/Untitled.png)
As you can see, Donald_Trump selects barracks and pushes "O" hotkey several times as usual player. 2-4 commands per cycle.


Very strange.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 20, 2019, 06:04:04 AM
So, there are a lot of macros from Lambchops during whole the game. For example from the game starting:
([url]http://i.piccy.info/i9/9ebdaeac78bd3a5acee058986272381e/1566290867/12035/1330457/Untitled.png[/url])

You can see that he selected Unit #1523 and move them manually. But later trigger push the next queue of commands:
Select TH, train peon, select previous unit (to continue manual control).
This macro is used during all the first part of the game. Later macros take control under barracks and grunts/ogres. At the end of game Lambchop wasn't playing at all. But more than 100 commands per net cycle were autogenerated (>1000 APM).

I can suppose that Lambchops was trying to test some very quick and dirty implementation of game AI. Because he supported his scripts at the begging of game (when you need to build the base properly) and was very passive at the end of game.


BUT. If this was AI test, why did he not mention about this? Why did he blame Claw? Maybe I missed something in replay, but I cannot see his cheats. Just chaotic manual building, like this:
([url]http://i.piccy.info/i9/572b4f58a3c53fe50e88b00270ea3b29/1566292058/9331/1330457/Untitled.png[/url])
As you can see, Donald_Trump selects barracks and pushes "O" hotkey several times as usual player. 2-4 commands per cycle.


Very strange.


HOLY SHIT YOU HAVE AN ACTION TRACKER? THAT IS AWESOME!

DONALD TRUMP HACKS DONT SHOW BECAUSE I AM A LEGIT FAIR PLAYER THAT ALSO REPORTED HIS HACKS

HIS STRATEGY IS TO IGNORE ALL THE QUESTIONS, CONVINCE THE CROWD THAT I HACKED AS WELL, THEN SAY IT WAS JUSTIFIED OR A TEST. IM SURE THERE WILL ALSO BE A NOMENCLATURE PHILOSOPHY INVOLVED (NOT A MACRO, BUT AN AI FRAMEWORK YADDA YADDA)

SO HE EVEN HACKED EARLY? JESUS CHRIST, IS HE CAPABLE OF PLAYING A SINGLE GAME WITHOUT HACKS THEN? I THOUGHT IT WAS ONLY OGGER PRODUCTION AND MOVEMENT. ITS GETTING... SAD
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 20, 2019, 06:21:12 AM
AS FOR ANY "AI TEST" ARGUMENTS, I ASKED FOR A FAIR 1V3, ASKED LAMB TO NOT USE ANY SCRIPT BEFORE THE GAME AND DURING THE GAME (WHEN I SAW HIS MACROS WITH NAKED EYE). DROID CAN VOUCH...

INSTEAD HE MOCKED ME AND POSTED THE SS OF 2V2 VICTORY IN THE THREAD I LINKED IN INITIAL POST. I WAS TOTALLY HONEST IN THAT THREAD AND NOW MY REACTION PROBABLY MAKES SENSE TO EVERYONE... THING IS - NEITHER I NOR LAMB KNEW THAT DROID RECORDED THAT GAME WITH INSIGHT. WHAT A PLOT TWIST IT WAS
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: iL on August 20, 2019, 07:08:51 AM
Wow! Action tracker is really a great thing!

Not sure its results should be published here though, as that is a tool to detect such macro cheaters.

Publishing such logs can let hackers learn to bypass cheat detection. So i'd prefer to keep it secret.

Also would be interesting to scan the existing database of replays for cheaters, who knows who could be caught that way?..
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Droid on August 20, 2019, 07:38:03 AM
Jak się masz?

I can see this topic is kinda popular, no wonder why.

I always respected Lambchops, and I've never caught someone hacking, except Dellam years ago maybe.
But in that game CLAW asked Lambchops really nice not to use any scripts. Asked once or twice. Lamb only laughed and said nothing. He also refused to warvid his games.

First time I watched this replay, I noticed massive ogre production at the same time. Watched this on 1/3 slowest speed also. All ogres was trained simultaneously.
So it's not a state-of-the-art AI if even Russian noob like me noticed something was wrong. He could at least use random timing for an imitation of quick pianist's fingers.


Here are two screenshots from my warvid to help u get the context of the game.

(https://cloclo4.datacloudmail.ru/view/_Personal/WarCraft%202/Droid%27z%20WarCraft%202%20Replays/CLAW%20vs%20LAMBCHOPS/hax.png?etag=FB2B7ADA5234E7517EA967D924C39643CBEC8C0C)

CLAW WHY WERE U SO MUCH FASTER THAN LAMBCHOPS THEN?
ANSWER THAT YOU KURWA HACKA.


WE ALSO HAVE ANOTHER WITNESS CALLED ((ORC)).
(https://cloclo4.datacloudmail.ru/view/_Personal/WarCraft%202/Droid%27z%20WarCraft%202%20Replays/CLAW%20vs%20LAMBCHOPS/ogger.png?etag=F833C6D62832F2DF4F72976413B08F940A3115B9)

And also I use Insight 1.04 with an autorecord script (thx to IL), and I couldn't watch the whole replay there.
It says "Corrupt replay file" after 2:19. Insight 1.05 RC1 doesn't have this problem.
I think something is launched at 2:19, something that 1.04 doesn't like & crashes.
CORRUPT REPLAY
(https://cloclo3.datacloudmail.ru/view/_Personal/WarCraft%202/Droid%27z%20WarCraft%202%20Replays/CLAW%20vs%20LAMBCHOPS/1.04%20crashed.png?etag=25F0775A08AC0AD4CFB9ACB74856A4A7B74E8C06)


I don't want Lambchops to be banned.
Me & CLAW are agreed for $15 forfeit I think. I'll send my PayPal later.

Dziękuję.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 20, 2019, 07:49:41 AM
Wow! Action tracker is really a great thing!

Not sure its results should be published here though, as that is a tool to detect such macro cheaters.

Publishing such logs can let hackers learn to bypass cheat detection. So i'd prefer to keep it secret.

Also would be interesting to scan the existing database of replays for cheaters, who knows who could be caught that way?..

Yea,thats good idea to check macros, cheats
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 20, 2019, 07:50:44 AM
At the end of game Lambchop wasn't playing at all.

Huh?

But more than 100 commands per net cycle were autogenerated (>1000 APM).

If you say so. I know the observer APM meter packs it in at 3 figures because I tested it once, but I never run that hack anyway.

I can suppose that Lambchops was trying to test some very quick and dirty implementation of game AI. Because he supported his scripts at the begging of game (when you need to build the base properly) and was very passive at the end of game.

wtf?

BUT. If this was AI test, why did he not mention about this?

It was absolutely not an AI test.
There was nothing even remotely resembling AI in the entire game (from either of us). I was playing KOTR vs a hacker. I knew it, and he knew it.

Actually what was really funny was a few weeks ago when he was claiming to be legit playing MAD we played 2 games and he paused the game for about 2 seconds in the first game then paused it again in the second game at exactly the same moment for the same amount of time. I lmao at him for recording a pause in his macro bacause it was very obvious and then he refused a third game and logged. I'm sure he recorded a fresh MAD @purple macro before he started posting his "I am the champion" thread a while later.


Why did he blame Claw? Maybe I missed something in replay, but I cannot see his cheats.

A blind monkey on acid can see that he is building simultainious ogres out of the same 2 barracks all game. That is because he is repeating the same macro.

Just chaotic manual building, like this:

As you can see, Donald_Trump selects barracks and pushes "O" hotkey several times as usual player. 2-4 commands per cycle.
Very strange.

Firstly, what are these numbers? I'm guessing it's packet dump data of some type. You'll note I deliberately did not mention these in my macro hacking description ;)

I've never messed with packet spying/modding/injecting for the game, although I understand there were some oldschool hacks that worked that way.

Anyway if you are going to use this meagre list of numbers as some kind of proof of anything how about you add some column headings and post a useful amount of data that proves something?

Got to say your analysis is way off base so far, all you have managed to acertain is "wow that's a big stack of commands".

Why don't you do some analysis on the timing and order of barracks that claw selects and presses O on? I'm quite sure you will see the repeating pattern (if you want to).


I really don't care that much about any of this as long as everyone knows that nazi hacker has outed himself - I have never claimed to be a great player, only a programmer.

... and ffs since when does anyone even think he doesn't hack? He was well known as the biggest hacker on the server 10 years ago, I don't even think he denied it back then.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 20, 2019, 08:14:50 AM
So it's not a state-of-the-art AI if even Russian noob like me noticed something was wrong. He could at least use random timing for an imitation of quick pianist's fingers.

pfff of course not. I am not interested in making hacks to cheat and pretend I am playing.

And also I use Insight 1.04 with an autorecord script (thx to IL), and I couldn't watch the whole replay there.
It says "Corrupt replay file" after 2:19. Insight 1.05 RC1 doesn't have this problem.
I think something is launched at 2:19, something that 1.04 doesn't like & crashes.

Great. Please post the corrupt replay. That's right about the time when his build macro finishes and he starts using his ogre macro. I sure as hell didn't change anything.


Me & CLAW are agreed for $15 forfeit I think. I'll send my PayPal later.

LOL claw can kiss my ass. If you want to say "Me & CLAW" then you can send each other $15 if you want. I don't respond to extortion.

Also would be interesting to scan the existing database of replays for cheaters, who knows who could be caught that way?..
Yea,thats good idea to check macros, cheats

Definitely, but you have to learn to analyze it first. There's no point if you don't even know what you are looking for. If you can't see claw's macros in this game you have no clue.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: iL on August 20, 2019, 08:43:01 AM
And also I use Insight 1.04 with an autorecord script (thx to IL), and I couldn't watch the whole replay there.
It says "Corrupt replay file" after 2:19. Insight 1.05 RC1 doesn't have this problem.
I don't recommend to use 1.04 anymore, 1.05 is better. Though 1.05 doesn't support autorecord as 1.04 do.
As an idea: 1.04 can't handle warlatency switching, 1.05 can.
Maybe you should manually disable warlatency before starting the replay? Use war2ppatcher for that. Though i don't remember 1.04 says replay is broken when warlat is in wrong state...
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 20, 2019, 09:29:23 AM
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing.  I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong.  I do think he's caught hacking here :(

He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(

Thanks mate, I appreciate you saying it.

Please note I'm not at all embarrassed about this post, Claw is a cheating hacker who deserves all he gets. I'm pretty sure anyone who has been paying attention will know what a two faced liar and cheat he is by now. Typing in ALL CAPS won't change that. I have never claimed to be a good player.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 20, 2019, 09:34:27 AM
(https://cloclo15.datacloudmail.ru/weblink/view/6YXY/RLfJXHo3x/CLAW%20vs%20LAMBCHOPS/hax.png?etag=FB2B7ADA5234E7517EA967D924C39643CBEC8C0C&key=899ba884feba3b44ae0ccfcc9253e09f0afd70f8)

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 20, 2019, 09:59:10 AM
you also used double click on gow

http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3765.msg61747.html#msg61747 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3765.msg61747.html#msg61747)

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 20, 2019, 10:18:21 AM
IT IS ALSO WORTH MENTIONING THAT THIS AINT PERSONAL VENDETTA FOR ME. BEFORE THAT GAME, ME AND LAMB WERE.... WELL NOT FRIENDS, BUT... GAMING BUDDIES. HE MENTIONED IT MANY TIMES IN WINCHESTER THREADS THAT WE OFTEN GIVE EACH OTHER "A HARD TIME" AND DONT GET MAD TOO MUCH

THIS THREAD IS NOT AGAINST LAMBCHOPS AS A PERSON. HE IS A BRILLIANT GUY, AMONG THE BEST MODDERS/PROGRAMMERS WE GOT AT THE MOMENT. BUT MY ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY FOR HACKING STILL APPLIED TO HIM, SO - AFTER HE SPIT ON MY FACE, REFUSED TO APOLOGIZE ETC - I MADE THE VIDEO AND THE THREAD.

ANYTHING LAMB DOES AFTER THAT IS STRICTLY PERSONAL AND DIRECTED AT ME. WILL HE CAUSE ENOUGH DISTRACTION?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 23, 2019, 06:25:32 AM
ANY PROGRESS HERE? FROM THE THREAD IT SEEMS LAMBCHOPS DOESNT REALIZE HE DID ANYTHING WRONG.

IT IS OF GRAVE IMPORTANCE THAT WE DO NOT HAVE MACRO HAXXERS RUNNING AROUND. EVERYONE MUST KNOW THAT!
INSIGHTS SHOW IT AND BIG BOI ZELYA IS ON YO ASS TOO WITH HIS ACTION TRACKER
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 23, 2019, 07:37:01 AM
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Szwagier on August 23, 2019, 07:43:37 AM
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.

So avenger player can hack? Cause he still will lost vs top players??
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Incos on August 23, 2019, 08:01:40 AM
Makes me wonder how many pro players do this same thing..
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: easycompany on August 23, 2019, 08:23:39 AM
im suprised someone hasn't made a ai yet
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 23, 2019, 08:25:55 AM
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.
I UNDERSTAND. CAN YOU PLEASE AT LEAST KINDLY ASK HIM TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN, AT LEAST NOT IN MY GAMEZ

UNLESS, OF COURSE, ITS AGREED TO BY BOTH PARTIES, BECAUSE I TOTALLY DONT MIND PLAYING HIS CHOP MAD//KOTR BOT FOR PRACTICE
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: XuRnT on August 23, 2019, 10:47:32 AM
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.

I swear I saw some auto-slow casting in GOW last night. Never seen any spell that fast before and it was on a whole pack of ogres. Like all 8 were instantly lit up at the exact same time. Might be soon before we do hear a uproar.


damn, that looks pretty conclusive to me. that really sucks. ;( good to catch a cheater though.

Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?
THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
this is correct. 0 tolerance for a macro like this to auto-train from all rax, it's a pure hack. & i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :P

Was no 0 tolerance for these when these macros and auto 100+ units moving at the same time made me quit CastlesFree :/
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: tk[as] on August 23, 2019, 11:04:07 AM
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Incos on August 23, 2019, 11:57:10 AM
Whoever has the auto cast slow- please come out- you just balanced Warcraft 2. We won’t ban but instead promote you
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 23, 2019, 12:38:21 PM
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?
Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Winchester on August 23, 2019, 01:51:28 PM
Yamon also caught him using macros in 2016, so this isn't something new for him.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 23, 2019, 02:00:00 PM
Yamon also caught him using macros in 2016, so this isn't something new for him.
THAT WASNT PROPERLY REPORTED THEN, BECAUSE I DONT REMEMBER.

THE ONLY INSTANCE OF SOME1 GETTING BANNED FOR MACRO, PRIOR TO THIS, IS THE INFAMOUS TRIAL OF TYRYTY. ALSO ON KOTR MAP. HMM...
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Incos on August 23, 2019, 02:02:14 PM
In all seriousness, who does the auto slow?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: easycompany on August 23, 2019, 05:18:48 PM
In all seriousness, who does the auto slow?

:o the choosen one has arrived must be end of dayz
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Warbux on August 24, 2019, 07:30:39 AM
Whoever has the auto cast slow- please come out- you just balanced Warcraft 2. We won’t ban but instead promote you
lmaoooo i love it
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Lambchops on August 24, 2019, 08:24:14 AM
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?
Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .

If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.

Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 24, 2019, 08:51:04 AM
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?
Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .

If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.



NO LONGER INTERESTING OR FUNNY
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 24, 2019, 09:43:00 AM
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.

Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 24, 2019, 09:58:25 AM
U know I only just watched the opening video now that video i do need to watch the entire insight at some point.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 24, 2019, 10:05:39 AM
U know I only just watched the opening video now that video i do need to watch the entire insight at some point.
PLEASE DO.

NO IT WAS NOT A SIMULATION, YES HE USED MACRO, NO I DID NOT USE ANY MACRO. IT WAS A NORMAL GAME (SEE THREAD LINKED BY ME)

THIS THREAD ENDED WHEN A RANDOM EASTERN EUROPEAN HAX0R ZELYA APPEARED AND SHOWED US SOME ACTION TRACKING TOOL WHICH SHOWED:
1) ALL MY GAMEPLAY WAS LEGIT (DUH...)
2) LAMBCHOPS USED EVEN MORE MACROHACKS THAN I MENTIONED IN MY COMMENTARY, EVEN PEON PRODUCTION...
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 24, 2019, 10:06:38 AM
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.

Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
IT WAS A NORMAL GAME AND HE HACKED. ITS NOT A SIMULATION IF NOONE BUT LAMBCHOPS AGREES IT WAS A SIMULATION. HE BLATANTLY HACKED.
1 WEEK BAN PLS
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Shotgun on August 25, 2019, 07:14:14 AM
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.

Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?

How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 25, 2019, 08:40:02 AM
How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.

Custom communities tend to think macros like that are okay. They are playing a different game than war2 classic/bne.
Lotta people have done it on the server over the years. Is it "okay" to do it on the server? No.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 25, 2019, 09:40:13 AM
How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.

Custom communities tend to think macros like that are okay. They are playing a different game than war2 classic/bne.
Lotta people have done it on the server over the years. Is it "okay" to do it on the server? No.


NEVER HEARD OF IT... THE ONLY ACCEPTED THING IS A DOUBLECLICK IN BGH NO AIR

MAYBE YOURE THINKING OF PBALL COMMUNITY... I THINK THEY EVEN TOLERATED MAPHACK AT SOME POINT LOL
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 25, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.

Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
Heh that says “training simultaneous ogres,” as in training ogres simultaneously, it doesn’t say “training simulation” :) and yes there’s a rule against running macros and a rule against hacks and those are the only ways to achieve this.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on August 27, 2019, 05:25:59 PM
How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.

Custom communities tend to think macros like that are okay. They are playing a different game than war2 classic/bne.
Lotta people have done it on the server over the years. Is it "okay" to do it on the server? No.


NEVER HEARD OF IT... THE ONLY ACCEPTED THING IS A DOUBLECLICK IN BGH NO AIR

MAYBE YOURE THINKING OF PBALL COMMUNITY... I THINK THEY EVEN TOLERATED MAPHACK AT SOME POINT LOL
Hacking has never been tolerated in PBall.  On east there were a lot of map hackers who played PBall because it can help a lot in PBall and was nearly impossible to prove then with no admins and all. It's never been allowed in tournaments, or fun/competitive games, with PBall players who hack or are suspected of hacking being considered scum.
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 30, 2019, 03:29:10 AM
ANYWAY LAMBCHOPS GOT A 3 DAY BAN APPARENTLY, SO REMEMBER KIDS - DONT USE MAKROS IN THY GAMES TO BEAT CAPTAIN CLAW THE INVINCIBLE

THE JUSTICE SHALL COME
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: easycompany on August 31, 2019, 01:31:36 AM
your game is dead wow way to go
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: CLAVV on August 31, 2019, 01:43:16 AM
your game is dead wow way to go
NEVER POST IN MY THREADS U IDIOT
I REALLY DONT LIKE YOU NOR VALUE YOUR INPUT/JOKES

FUK OFF LUMMOX
Title: Re: MACRO HACKS IN KOTR FOUND AND ANALYZED
Post by: KagaN on August 31, 2019, 05:55:30 AM
gowniak :poo: