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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Muz on March 01, 2020, 04:47:33 PM

Title: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Muz on March 01, 2020, 04:47:33 PM
How to petition Blizzard in order to remaster this game?
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on March 01, 2020, 04:53:58 PM
dont think they give a shit.

money talks.


Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Muz on March 02, 2020, 04:47:00 AM
Are you saying it won't be remastered because it won't make money?
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: CLAVV on March 02, 2020, 09:30:14 AM
Are you saying it won't be remastered because it won't make money?
I BECOME MORE N MORE RETARDED EVERY DAY SOLELY BY READING THIS FORUM
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on March 02, 2020, 09:50:53 AM
yes.

lol.

that is 100% im saying :D


and r0fl at claw :D:D:D:D
u were mega retarded way bef0re these forums do0d :D
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 05, 2020, 07:19:31 AM
Given Blizzard's recent history with everything they touch including that stupid GOG re-release maybe it is a good thing if they forget about Warcraft 2...

Just saying maybe we should be happy with what we have all things considered, it could be worse GOG proved it...  ::)
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Szwagier on March 05, 2020, 08:43:34 AM
Given Blizzard's recent history with everything they touch including that stupid GOG re-release maybe it is a good thing if they forget about Warcraft 2...

Just saying maybe we should be happy with what we have all things considered, it could be worse GOG proved it...  ::)

Gog could fix only game for single player, battle.net still only blizzard can do something, they just made new server, nothing more
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 06, 2020, 04:42:58 AM
I should have said Blizzard accepting that stupid deal with GOG for money proved it...

Blizzard accepting to sell the game in it's current state tells a lot about how low their standards have dropped and how little they care about their fans...

They accept to sell a product they previously said they would not maintain and update. Effectively selling an abandonware game lol!
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Szwagier on March 06, 2020, 04:56:16 AM
I should have said Blizzard accepting that stupid deal with GOG for money proved it...

Blizzard accepting to sell the game in it's current state tells a lot about how low their standards have dropped and how little they care about their fans...

They accept to sell a product they previously said they would not maintain and update. Effectively selling an abandonware game lol!

Some people dont know how to open w1 with dosbox with modern windows ,w2 bnet wasnt abandonware game
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 06, 2020, 07:58:01 AM
Blizzard announced a long time ago they would stop supporting the game and updating it.

Abandonware is just that so yes it pretty much was and still is in a way and so is warcraft 1, Blizzard pulled the plug off these games...

from wikipedia:
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Abandonware is a product, typically software, ignored by its owner and manufacturer, and for which no official support is available.[1] Although such software is usually still under copyright, the owner may not be tracking copyright violations.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware

And they still do, to get customer support you have to buy the new release your old CD and games are still abandoned :-)
The game was also not re-released/updated for previously existing platforms like Mac either, further proving my last point.
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Zelya on March 06, 2020, 09:33:02 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abandonware

And they still do, to get customer support you have to buy the new release your old CD and games are still abandoned :-)
The game was also not re-released/updated for previously existing platforms like Mac either, further proving my last point.


w2 bnet wasnt abandonware game
Technically Szwagier is right.
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Currently, US copyright law does not recognize the term or concept of "abandonware"

"Abandonware" is only local Internet term only, it has no sense for copyright/destribution policy.
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 07, 2020, 01:50:58 AM
Technically the definition of Abandonware does not mean no copyrights these are two entirely different things...

No one ever said Blizzard gave away their copyrights that is not at all what was being said here.

Abandonware  just means the owner of the license officially abandoned officially supporting it, that is what it means, this is not a legal term.

Blizzard officially stated they would not support nor update warcraft 2 and 1 a very long time ago, that alone makes it abandonware by definition they abandoned their game and their customers...

Now sure they still own the copyrights I never denied that yes, but there is a reason companies that stop supporting their product usually do not enforce them hard. Maybe because it is plain wrong and very unfair and looks very bad don't you think?

I mean if you publicly say that you basically wont provide any customer support and wont update a software you sold and now keep getting money from you would have to be a one kind of an asshole to also prevent customers that bought your stuff to maintain it and keep it going for themselves for free.
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Muz on March 08, 2020, 05:00:22 PM
If it won't be remastered, there won't be chance it is going to be remastered in my lifetime right? Even in the next 10 years?
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Paper_Boy on March 08, 2020, 05:26:33 PM
They screwed up the war3 Remaster, graphics alone wouldn’t make that big a difference.

I think it would be more realistic if we either paid a reverse engineer to figure out most of the war2 source code or redesign it from scratch. This would allow us to add extra goodies like a Third race.
A traditional mode or enhanced mode where Heal acts as a proximity spell with a better mana ratio, cheaper exorcism, better skeletons, greater slow proximity from mages, etc... Maybe each race has a slight unique advantage for early, mid or late game. KHB probably still has the sc2 engine we could use.

Realistically, Blizzard lost its way when they merged with Activision and Vivendi. Some of us could contribute talent, others would be willing to contribute resources. We would need a solid point man to coordinate all the efforts and gauge the feasibility and time frame to completion if people are down. This would be mere pocket Change for Swift D. RothsChild
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Zelya on March 10, 2020, 10:56:40 AM
Technically the definition of Abandonware does not mean no copyrights these are two entirely different things...
Technically "abandonware" does not mean anything for Blizzard. There is no temr like this in US jurisprudence 
Yon need no to have additional support for your product after release. Of course you should prepare necessary documentation/manuals or fix possible bugs. But you can release your application, let's say simple "Pac-Man" game and do nothing after this.
It's nice to have support for users, like neverending patches or online help. Especially nowaday, when Internet is everywhere. But this is not mandatory.
And Blizzard cannot  "abandon" their products.  They need no to make patches or even to have a support web page to make the game "not abandoned" it.It just has no sense.
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 10, 2020, 02:50:41 PM
Blizzard announced a long time ago they would stop and they did stop any support relative to their old titles such as warcraft warcraft2 lost vikings diablo etc...
Their product are only playable because fans keep them updated but most of these games cannot even be installed properly on modern machines without external inputs.

They still own the right on these games and can still oppose their free distribution though this is very unprecedented.


On a side note:
Imagine one second that Blizzard did what gog did directly, re-releasing warcraft2 with nothing changed just making sure it runs on modern computers and making people that already bought the game buy it again for it to be fixed.

Do you think people would think that is ok?

Now if yes then what stops them and any company from making you pay your games all over again the next time DirectX or your OS is updated?

Why do you think no one does that or at least used not to?

All things considered...
I guess people buying WOW extensions after they were sold a subscription that was supposed to be for the game to receive new content makes me doubt my point still holds, but I think you get the idea...

Companies used to have standards, and customers used not to buy video games like a 10 year old buys candies...
 ::)
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Zelya on March 11, 2020, 06:01:03 AM
Imagine one second that Blizzard did what gog did directly, re-releasing warcraft2 with nothing changed just making sure it runs on modern computers and making people that already bought the game buy it again for it to be fixed.

Do you think people would think that is ok?

Yes, this is OK. Except one item "buy it again". If you have your historical copy, I think you can play it with DosBox, new ddraw, on old PC whatever you have. From another side, I had no possibility to have a legal version of Warcraft 2 at all. It was crazy situation in my county in 90th and Warcraft 2 was available only like this:

(https://pics.meshok.net/pics/120481308.jpg)

When I wanted to organize an offline tournament it was a trouble that I have no any legal version of the game. The only workaround was CD from e-bay, which cost very much. Now this is not a problem. And I have bought both of GOG versions immediately, to pay Blizzard for my happy hours I had 20 years ago and have now.

And new players had no possibility to get a legal version if they want. Now they have. You can play as it was before GOG release.

Now if yes then what stops them and any company from making you pay your games all over again the next time DirectX or your OS is updated?
I don't pay Blizzard for "updating" my Warcraft 2. I pay only for old game as a whole product.
OK, lets talks about OS. I have found a rare, old but very useful specific hardware. It run under Windows 3.1. I cannot buy Windows 3.1. because it "has no updates" and it is "abandoned". So I cannot use my specific hardware in a legal way. I want to pay money but I cannot. Is it OK?

By the way I had a similar situation ~10 years ago and MS send a response that I'm free to buy any modern OS, but do not install it. Then I can install old OS I need in any way I want, but without using illegal sources (like forbidden torrents or pirate's disks) . And this installation will work for me.

PS In any case I'm happy that anybody who want to BUY old software has possibility to do this.

PPS And one more related to my first post in this topic. I just wanted to point that there is no term "abandonware" for market. We can talk a lot if this game is old or not, if we need it in shop or for free, and so on. But this is just abstract discussion. Just for fun. And it does not make sense for real life now. But any discussion is good, because it can change something in future.
Title: Re: Petition for Warcraft 2 Remastered?
Post by: Cel on March 11, 2020, 07:41:39 AM
Say you bought Warcraft 2 BNE edition, you had already bought Tides of darkness and then Beyond the dark portal you basically bought access to Battle.net and a cd that works directly on OS no dosbox shinanegan anymore that is what it was.

Except that installation wont update anymore it wont allow you to play legally on GOG either and you cannot register these CD keys and simply download GOG's version either this product is broken on its own.

Unless you get external softwares and hacks you cannot play your game anymore the way you used to unless you buy it all over again from GOG and it still wont work as well as it used to since GOG was barely even working for multiplayer from what I've read.

New ddraw is not supported by blizzard they did not release that, fans did if you are using it you are not following their old TOS policy...

Abandonware never was a "legal" term no one ever said it was, but it does represent a category of products.
These products usually companies do not milk or enforce copyrights on.
Again not saying they cannot do it just saying it is very unlikely and unprecedented and there are reasons for that.

And most of the time the reasons involve company brand standards and respect for customers...

Now GOG could have released a patch for BNE edition available for those who already have the game to fix it legally but they did not, and you can certainly already guess why that is...