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Agreed Chops. If we're going to do something, do it right.

That's how we're doing it

Rule has been proposed to the community, and will close tomorrow: http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,5378.0.html
Then the new rule will be announced and policed.  If Van behaves halfway decent after that, he'll suffer no punishment.

I agree with EQ!
If it repeats, permanent ban.
I don't care of any trash talking, but you can't speak of wife, children, handicap, mother and bla bla bla!
yes, i agree with the distinction here between "you suck newb fuck off" type thing and talking about sick children or race or religion etc

3) Server.War2.ru / Re: Mousetopher Quit Warcraft 2? BAD NEWS IF SO!
« on: November 06, 2019, 12:50:14 PM »
I saw Mouse post "thats it, im quitting" in one of Burnt's meltdown threads but didn't realize it was going to be a full and final "quit."  It's looking that way, with iL now having to look at options for transferring hosting of this very forum, website, and so on.  A definite loss for the community. Mousetopher was a smart and level-headed voice, and gave a lot to this game.  :(

we can make a thread like, does the community support the following rule

"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server.  We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban at the discretion of our administrators."

give it a few days, make voting public, it's a rule if it gets majority support, and as you can see it gives you broad latitude to handle things as you deem appropriate.  you then move forward from there and punish van the next time you get a complaint that shows something you consider inappropriately abusive

i think that's the best way to do it.  im not going to tell you what you CAN do, since youre the one thats in the server and not me.  if you want to just add the rule you want to the topic channel, and then boot van when you see him run afoul of it, you can do that too.  i just think the best way is to put the rule on the books first

I'm done with this shit. Next time van is seen using racial attacks towards others or just down right attacking/harassing others unprovoked I'm issuing a 3 day ban.

If anyone has issues they can discuss it with iL
I still think we should post a thread about it first and get community approval, and then write down how we're going to handle it, but if that's what you're going to do please make sure to change the main channel topic with an announcement of the policy, so everyone gets the message and is informed.

Please remind me of the opposite, but since TK became admin it has only become more n more negative words spreaded in the community.

It seems to be personal, first Burnt n now VAN.

ding ding ding we have a winner!

It's because van was witness of Blid logging in after the 00Jordanus game is why he is the target now. They never did answer to why they unfairly muted me when I broke no server rules. Oh ya because I caught the admin/his buddy abusing his own ladder.
I didn't log on right after that game and I have nothing to do with any of that bullshit.  I've proved it.  And you were not unfairly muted.  You were muted to try to help you remove yourself from a situation that was causing you extreme confusion and distress.  I unmuted you after I got a plea from ilyich who convinced me it was more helpful to let you continue than try to force any sort of mental health vacation.

7) Website & Forum Discussion / Re: Server & Forum Rules
« on: November 04, 2019, 02:09:13 PM »
it's only possible on the forum right now.

Keep in mind I'm not disagreeing with you or saying Van's behavior should be protected. I'm only saying we have a history of not punishing for much of this behavior and if we are going to change that we should go about it the right way.  http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html

I would support changing it to keep people from taking things as far as Van does.  It doesn't bother me personally (and i recall you in the past telling babyshark to suck it up because van does it to everyone) but I can still acknowledge he is extremely abusive and bad for the community and i'd be behind updating things to prevent that kind of behavior.  Start a poll on that and if people agree, and if van continues to act this way, we can sweep the vanimal outta here

I feel like it should be common sense that constant toxic/aggressive behavior towards other people will eventually render consequences.
There's a history of polls on this very forum where people voted against any behavior standards outside of public chat/name slurs

yo I also siad it's a common sense issue, and should be judged through common sense and not black and white, using context and history.  Only difference is i said we should get community support for the enforcement policy, then announce it, and then start acting as needed, instead of banning first and then saying hey guys we're banning for this lol

"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server.  We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban."

I just threw that rule together on the spot, but as you see i made it based on complaints, so basically you can say whatever the hell you want in privacy as long as the people you're with are cool with it.  If you're harassing people or pissing off people that can see the messages, and they complain to us about it, then you could be banned!  A single complaint wouldnt get anyone in trouble so users wouldnt be allowed to play "gotcha!" and catch someone saying something rude once and use it against them.  A stack of complaints would get someone banned, short-term at first probably but eventually longer-term

I actually agree with Warbux that there should be rules or warnings before we go banning people.  This community has consistently voted against punishing people for bad behavior, and mostly has only supported bans for hacking.

I think having a set of rules we follow is for the best, but I also believe in contextual decision-making and common sense.  So, for example, the appropriate thing here (if people think Van is a problem) would be to announce a rule such as:

"Civil behavior is expected from players on this server.  We will not hand down punishment lightly, but repeated complaints against a user can result in a temporary or permanent ban."  Then admins can use their own discretion based on complaints and history if someone is running afoul of that rule.  Tbh van is likely the only violator.  But we should roll something like that out, with the approval of the community, and then wait and see how van behaves before taking any action against him -- imho.

@iL @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) @mousEtopher

Can any of you confirm whether there were multiple votes from the same person (outlaw and xurnt for example) on the poll? And if so what the real voting numbers are?
I can't see the results. You set it to private when you created it  :sweat:

Maybe as admins iL and Mouse could see it, but anyway, I voted no...

14) Server.War2.ru / Re: im backk
« on: October 25, 2019, 08:11:24 PM »
All of y'all mother fuckers, fuck you, die slow, motherfucker ..My .44 make sure all y'all kids don't grow. You motherfuckers can't be us or see us. We motherfuckin' War2 Council, War2.RU 'til we die. Out here in .RU, nibba, we warned ya. We'll bomb on you motherfuckers. We do our job

Why is this guy an admin? Am I seriously the only person who is embarrassed to be associated this?

@iL @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)
He’s screwing around, “rapping” and having fun. Outside of the n-word it’s harmless.

15) Server.War2.ru / Re: Unmute Burnt?
« on: October 11, 2019, 01:56:02 PM »
I'm not "picking" on him. Hes saying crazy shit. He needs to know it's crazy.

He just sent me pictures of dead weeds (not grass) and said some thing like "see.. definitely gasoline" .. when there is absolutely no way to tell how the weeds died. Looks like very natural dead weeds to me?

Some really strange shit going on with him..
Yeah, he wouldn't be muted if he was just saying things we didn't like.  He's muted because he's legitimately lost his grip on reality and letting him fill the forum with actual psychotic delusions doesn't help anyone.

If you guys wanna see a good guy who is the reason war2.ru exists be able to indulge, extensively and publicly, in unhinged and depressing nonsensical rants, so everyone can crane their necks and gawk at how the founding admin thinks War2 players are being run over by tractors and having their gasoline poured on their farms while Tupac's spirit imbues him, we can unmute him.  If you want him to have this place to continue to focus his unhealthy delusions on, all right, we can give it another try at least for awhile.  But if you're thinking "burnt is good, why are we punishing him" or "let people speak their minds!" then I kind of think you're missing what's actually going on here.

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