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Title: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 04, 2018, 01:21:56 PM
Leeroyjenkins and van have continued to harass me regularly.

I squelch and squelch but need to rc and it keeps going.

This has been going on for over a year now.

There is no reason why I should put up with this disgusting and antisocial and abnormal disruptive and rude behavior on a regular basis.

I don't join their games or talk to them normally ever, but their one-way messages continue coming month after month after month.

This is not normal behavior. This isn't just "meanness" nor do I think everyone needs to be babysat or anything like that. This is just endless private message spam plus channel hate that's completely one-sided.

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: WyZe on August 04, 2018, 03:59:33 PM
You make it fun for them you big dummy, stop making topics like this unless you love the attention (most likely do).
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 04, 2018, 04:24:33 PM
If it had been happening to you for over a year, you'd feel the same way.

I don't "make it fun" or respond to these two. I generally squelch. And then when I rc or log in another day, it continues. It takes a special kind of mental case to send endless spams that are never answered and most of which are never even seen.

Mostly I just ignore it, but keep in mind this has been going on for over a year now. Gets annoying after awhile to get endless PMs from degenerate socially abnormal psychos.

There should be a permanent squelch so rc doesn't unsquelch. Problem solved.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: mousEtopher on August 04, 2018, 07:21:50 PM
i agree & am sorry this is happening. if /squelch could persist between log ons then that would completely obviate the problem. i wish i knew how to add such a feature to pvpgn, sorry bs :<
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Winchester on August 04, 2018, 11:20:30 PM
Van also asked Britney Spears on the discord for head the other day. She has a music career to focus on and does not need this harassment.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 04, 2018, 11:20:53 PM
Take screenshots and post them
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: XuRnT on August 05, 2018, 01:57:30 AM
It so happens that the W2 player base is comprised largely of drug and alcohol addicted people who don't know how to interact normally with people.

Guilty but c'mon love playing with you.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 05, 2018, 12:20:29 PM
@BabyShark did you message Van's wife on Facebook?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 05, 2018, 12:36:31 PM
I did.

The psycho would not leave me alone for over a year. I went to the W2 admins for help and no one cared.

I'm sick and tired of his continual harassment for over a year and have to come up with my own solution to the problem.

Van is a psychotic creep with mental issues who won't leave me alone.

I want him to leave me alone. Leeroyjenkins too.

If I need to contact the police or whoever else, I will. I am not going to put up with it any longer.

If you were doing your job instead of being a hateful bigot who likes seeing me harassed by your loser friends, van would have been banned from server for his revolting psychotic behavior.

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2018, 02:25:24 PM
Every single war2 player has had to listen to Van's bull shit as long as we can remember. Every single one of us.

Just 2 weeks ago he very seriously threatened to find out where I live and come and kill me.

Guess what I did? Nothing. It's a game. He's a nut job. It's fucking text on a computer from someone hundreds or thousands of miles away.

I'm not saying van is right... in fact more often than not i wish he would never log back on the server again. ever..... but you crossed a line Babyshark. You have a problem. If you cannot take shit talking harassment from a guy on an online game... regardless of what he says or how many times he says it... it's time for you to re-evaluate your position on this server.

Van is insane. But for you to get so emotional about what someone says online, that you contact their relatives? That's even more insane.

that's my very serious opinion.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2018, 02:27:51 PM
like someone else mentioned... the only reason ANYONE FUCKS WITH ANYONE is because they let it get to them.

know what i did when van was harassing me?  i talked a little bit of shit back until i get bored .. then typed /dnd   ... and moved on with my life.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2018, 02:28:25 PM
know what i will do next time van harasses me?    talk a little bit of shit back... type /dnd when i get bored... and move on with my life
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 05, 2018, 02:44:28 PM
Lol.

You admit you got frustrated with each interaction with van. Mostly I did squelch and ignore. You responded to him. I didn't. It went on for over a year. Any normal person will get fed up after so long with no ability to permanently block like about every other app in the world has.

The admins don't care. But I want it to stop.

I am not interested in being the dumping grounds for all the male frustration and issues on W2.

Bullies intend to torment others, and they choose people they think are defenseless. Van sees that Tora hates and has sexually harassed me himself, so he knows he won't face any penalty in the W2 world.

I know there are a number of vile people on W2. I avoid them as much as possible. But when they seek you out and target you for over a year and it starts to get frustrating, there are two options. Continue to tolerate abuse. Run. Or figure out a way to make it stop.

It is laughable that you many w2 players defend van's abusive behavior and promote his ability to routinely message me vulgar and nasty spam while at the same time thinking some other woman is so delicate she will pop into thin air when she's asked to please call off her husband one time.

It's so absurd the thought pattern or rather lack of thought that takes place in these demented and perverse skulls.

I'm someone's wife too ya know. And I'm a real human being as much as any other.

So why are none of you calling out van for actually crossing lines and being a psychotic creep?




Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: KingHillBilly on August 05, 2018, 04:40:34 PM
Why aren't they banned
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 05, 2018, 04:50:26 PM
U have issues Babyshark
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Every Billionaire is a Policy Failure on August 05, 2018, 05:41:14 PM
@BabyShark did you message Van's wife on Facebook?
how the fuck does that mongoloid have a wife, lmao
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Every Billionaire is a Policy Failure on August 05, 2018, 05:43:55 PM
Van is insane. But for you to get so emotional about what someone says online, that you contact their relatives? That's even more insane.
i don't agree. not if he has been doing it for a year now. if it was a one time thing you'd have a point.

you're enabling van's behaviour with this attitude tbh
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: mousEtopher on August 05, 2018, 06:01:25 PM
this is essentially a moot point that you're arguing bs -- "van should be banned for flaming" is not "war2's standard", it's "your personal standard", so there's no reason for the admins to enforce it. it's very much like the case you tried to make against yamon.

while it's not unreasonable to have a conversation about "whether or not war2ru should tolerate xyz behaviors", it doesn't make sense to criticize admins for failing to uphold standards that don't actually exist in the first place. online communities all choose to enforce moderation policies at their own discretion, some do & some don't. maybe doing so would be the "good & decent thing to do", but war2ru is run by & for people who choose not to for better or for worse, and it's their right to do so.

i personally think it's reasonable & am willing to try to meditate something like what happened with leeroy & TGS last year where it's ongoing & targeted, but for one thing ive seen no evidence that van's actually doing something like that. everyone knows that van constantly spews insults & trash everywhere, but that's not what is being described. i haven't seen any screenshots or heard any mention of "van flaming relentlessly every time i login for 1 year" until just the last couple days. maybe it's true, but i can't react like it's been going on for 1 year when there've been no attempts to document or otherwise make it known until just now. and maybe the community /should/ have such a conversation about whether or not to tolerate van's generally despicable behavior, but until it has such a conversation & enacts such a policy, then this is fundamentally a moot point.

likewise, i offered here http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3933.msg65506.html#msg65506 (http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3933.msg65506.html#msg65506) to give leeroy a short temp ban any time he bothered you to discourage him from doing it, but you've only asked me to do that twice ever as far as i remember. once was a couple days ago, and the last time before that was months ago. why did you decide not to report him again til now? it's not really fair to ban leeroy on demand for "constant relentless flaming" when there's no documented chain of evidence to prove that it's actually happening constantly. 1 screenshot/report every 4 months could just as easily be him doing "occasional trash talk" like almost everyone else on the server
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: easycompany on August 05, 2018, 06:59:58 PM
It so happens that the W2 player base is comprised largely of drug and alcohol addicted people who don't know how to interact normally with people.

Guilty but c'mon love playing with you.

:o leave the modelo chelado out of this..this stuff is the best..its prob because your one of the most well known girls...theres some other ones that play but not chat much..and u know van is gods gift to yall women
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 05, 2018, 10:55:50 PM
Lol.

The search is on high and low for a W2 user who has no issues.

They are so rare they are worth their weight in gold.

I will throw in a few bit coin and a used diaper to anyone who finds the unicorn.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Erenussocrates on August 06, 2018, 01:30:56 AM
Like, I kind of agree that "text on the screen" is nothing to be taken seriously, but continuous harrassment kind of goes over to fucked-upness territory, isn't it now? It's bullying, there's a limit to everything.

I also know that Xurnt and Strata-G have been looking for new recruits, I think I've overheard their talk on Discord on how they wanted a guy over Youtube called Grubby to advertise the server so that there could be new people coming in. While they are trying hard doing this, I think what server trolls are doing in general is very counter-productive to that.

Because let's be real, nobody new is gonna stay here when they see bullcrap like that on chat. Who in their right mind would?

I have nothing against van or anybody else personally, I'm just talking logic here. I'm firm in my belief that adminstration in this server is being WAAAAY too lenient towards this kind of behaviour. Like, if half of this was going on in another server, those guys would be perma-banned immediately.
If you want new members even ever so slightly, this is no way to gain new members, not by keeping people like that around.

So, what do you think about all of this, mousey and Tora? What is the exact reason why you are being so lenient? If some new guy started being toxic tomorrow, would he be allowed to do so as well?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2018, 02:33:12 AM
TBH Babyshark acts like a spoilt child on the server. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 06, 2018, 05:22:59 AM
So, what do you think about all of this, mousey and Tora? What is the exact reason why you are being so lenient? If some new guy started being toxic tomorrow, would he be allowed to do so as well?

I joined the server in 2015 and became and admin shortly thereafter. From the day I joined trash talking has been part of the culture of war2ru.
The average age of a war2 player is between 25-35, everyone on here is an adult. So it is left to the community to police themselves in regards to players trash talking them. As admins we only really get involved when players are suspected of hacking or taking things out of the game and into the real world.

The reason for why war2 doesn't have a huge following could be debated for days on end. The server is mainly for players who have played war2 pre RU. In other words it's a community built by veterans and casual war2 enthusiasts who are trying to entertain themselves. Most players aren't interested in teaching new players how to play or game with them for very long if they aren't progressing.   

 
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 05:50:06 AM
Because a child is spoiled when they don't want to be forced to listen to "you suck nigger dick" etc day in and day out for over a YEAR by some psychos.

If you think that kind of behavior is decent and normal human behavior, to harass someone who squelches you regularly and never responds to you, daily with vulgar and rude messages for over a YEAR, you need to get some therapy. But then again, everyone already knows you need it.

Obviously, no one else on the server is targetted as much as I am for hate spam, on account of me being the only active female player on the game. I have been dealing with potty mouthed, temper tantrum throwing, rude buttheads like you and many other sad clowns that never grew up for half of my life on W2.

Just because there is a large number of scummy people who think it's okay to send dirty messages or group bully someone just because they have the anonymity and perceived safety of being far away behind a computer screen, doesn't mean it's not cowardly, sick, and evil behavior.

Every other app and gaming site has a BLOCK feature so persistent abusers and harassers can't continue for months and months and months to message you every time you log in.

If this had happened to you, or to Swift, I 100% guarantee Tora would follow your first order to get rid of the "annoyance" after MUCH less time than this.

I don't want anything extraordinary. I just want to be able to play a game I like with people I like and have losers with mental issues leave me alone (van and Leeroyjenkins). I don't want anything exceptional here.

This isn't "trash talking". This is players I never talk to or play with targetting me for private messages every time I log on. Squelch is undone every time I reconnect. If there were a permanent squelch option or block feature like every other app has, this problem could be dealt with very easily. Since there is no permanent squelch/block feature, I would ask that the people in charge use their common sense and realize that long-term one way harassment of a particular player isn't okay and penalize the problem users so they stop the behavior. The single solitary reason for not banning these people would be if an admin enjoys watching a user get harassed because they enjoy watching human suffering.

Think of how annoyed you would be after ONE DAY of someone filling up your game screen with messages while you're trying to play. Then think of it going on for TWO DAYS. THREE DAYS. FOUR DAYS. Relentless, day after day. Now you're fuming. You would have exploded LOOOONG ago.

Yeah, this has been going on for well over a year now, And I have just used /squelch and /dnd all this time, but it isn't enough.

I shouldn't have to put up with endless harassment from psychos because people who have power to stop it think it's okay. It isn't.

I'm also not the only person who feels the way I do. There are many who agree with my view that harassment is NOT okay, who don't want to put themselves out there to get attacked by the rabid mob of losers who want to start talking about my boobs.

Just because W2 carries a large number of juvenile, substance addicted, unemployed, mentally ill, divorced, single, lonely, horny, aggressive and rude people doesn't make sick and abusive behavior right or okay.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Erenussocrates on August 06, 2018, 05:52:56 AM
@Tora,

But yet it doesn't really work, does it? Average age of 25-35 doesn't mean much to me if the individual doesn't actually act their age. No matter whatever kind of community you are in, everyone has the right to expect atleast that bare minimum level of respect I think, it's part of being in a society. Trashtalking is fine between friends, but I don't necessarily see that could be welcome between strangers or people who don't want to be engaged in such a manner, or getting trolled/cyberbullied often (it sounds like that's what BabyShark didn't want from the start, which is completely normal).

I also don't agree with your perspective of "policing things that are outside of war2ru". An administrator's duty is to admin the server and it's related forums, and to keep those two ordered, not the stuff outside of it. And for people who carry the issue to the outside of that scope are to resolve things between themselves. This is the normal definition of administrating a community such as this.

I do know people who are passionate about warcraft 2 yet who do not play multiplayer, I think they could have had a chance to be integrated into a community like this, if only your approach about administration wasn't wrong, that's what I'm talking about. The newcomers don't necessarily need to be taught how to play the games by others, but the environment that you are currently enabling gives actual zero chance for this community to grow and thrive. I am not someone who is easily offended by stuff written by others, but when I look from a general perspective of what's acceptable in a society, when I join the war2combat server and take a short glance at the server chatbox, I'm assured that nobody who could have otherwise enjoyed playing MP would have stayed here, and for good reason. Not after seeing the rampant racial and homophobic slurs made by trolls X'D
The issue pushed by BabyShark is just one example.

All in all, your policy about the forums and server seems like it would enable trolls and people who were otherwise outlawed by other communities, and give them a place to thrive here. War2ru could literally become 4chan, I could foresee this.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 06, 2018, 05:57:13 AM
@BabyShark are you serious about filing a police report against van?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 06:01:43 AM
Tora if this were happening to you, how would you make it stop?

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 06, 2018, 06:02:59 AM
It happens to me every day I log on the server Babyshark. I don’t let trash talk from someone on the internet bother me.

Are you serious yes or no?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 06:11:14 AM
I know 100% certainty you are not subjected to the same degree of harassment I am. This isn't trash talk. I don't play with these people. I don't talk to these people. And it has been going on endlessly for over a year.

You don't know anything about that, because as an admin, you get special treatment by people. An admin's job is to make the server good for everyone. You hate women and like to see me harassed and have done so yourself, so I don't expect you to lift a finger to stop the abusers.

This isn't the same in-game "you f---ing suck" that you might see on occasion. It's one way endless private messaging for over a year that interferes with being able to play the game with people I like, which is all I want. Obviously no one is going to pm an admin day in and day out for over a year with crap because you would just ban the person without even telling anyone. You would protect yourself from it. (Power abuse) But not someone else.

Interestingly, there was a study that shows that men who harass women in online video games do so out of their frustration at being lower down the pecking order and lower skilled at the game. Higher skilled players saw females more positively.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/men-who-harass-women-are-losers-video-game-study-says-1.3162310 (http://www.cbc.ca/news/trending/men-who-harass-women-are-losers-video-game-study-says-1.3162310)

I find this to be fairly consistent with what I've experienced.


Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Erenussocrates on August 06, 2018, 06:28:14 AM
Btw, I've literally heard Xurnt complain about the lack of people on the server more than once, so if you have a "we dont want anybody" argument, it also has no point.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 06, 2018, 06:28:33 AM
@BabyShark
I see your deliberately refusing to answer the question which leads me to believe you are serious.

Your taking this game and internet life way too seriously. This is a game it isn't real life. 
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 06:34:41 AM
Lol.

You're basically suggesting I should let the toxic abusers drive me away from a game I like.

I should leave because women aren't welcome here unless they want to be sexually harassed every day.

You also made comments about my breasts and appearance (sexual harassment).

You're on this game and forums 24/7 so don't pretend like you care about this game less than I do.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 06:41:05 AM
Another game had success implementing suspensions and bans for abusive behavior.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/05/16/online_harassment_in_video_games_how_riot_games_remedied_its_league_of_legends.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/05/16/online_harassment_in_video_games_how_riot_games_remedied_its_league_of_legends.html)
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 06, 2018, 06:57:50 AM
This does happen to us. All of us. Baby shark. We ignore it. Or give it right back. Because we are adults that learn sticks and stones may break our bones but words online will never hurt us
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Winchester on August 06, 2018, 07:06:50 AM
but words online will never hurt us

Unless it's the magical facebook apparently. Despite it being online and all.  When did it not become online?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2018, 08:27:05 AM
LOL yeah I'm the one who needs therapy

Because a child is spoiled when they don't want to be forced to listen to "you suck nigger dick" etc day in and day out for over a YEAR by some psychos.

If you think that kind of behavior is decent and normal human behavior, to harass someone who squelches you regularly and never responds to you, daily with vulgar and rude messages for over a YEAR, you need to get some therapy. But then again, everyone already knows you need it.

Obviously, no one else on the server is targetted as much as I am for hate spam, on account of me being the only active female player on the game. I have been dealing with potty mouthed, temper tantrum throwing, rude buttheads like you and many other sad clowns that never grew up for half of my life on W2.

Just because there is a large number of scummy people who think it's okay to send dirty messages or group bully someone just because they have the anonymity and perceived safety of being far away behind a computer screen, doesn't mean it's not cowardly, sick, and evil behavior.

Every other app and gaming site has a BLOCK feature so persistent abusers and harassers can't continue for months and months and months to message you every time you log in.

If this had happened to you, or to Swift, I 100% guarantee Tora would follow your first order to get rid of the "annoyance" after MUCH less time than this.

I don't want anything extraordinary. I just want to be able to play a game I like with people I like and have losers with mental issues leave me alone (van and Leeroyjenkins). I don't want anything exceptional here.

This isn't "trash talking". This is players I never talk to or play with targetting me for private messages every time I log on. Squelch is undone every time I reconnect. If there were a permanent squelch option or block feature like every other app has, this problem could be dealt with very easily. Since there is no permanent squelch/block feature, I would ask that the people in charge use their common sense and realize that long-term one way harassment of a particular player isn't okay and penalize the problem users so they stop the behavior. The single solitary reason for not banning these people would be if an admin enjoys watching a user get harassed because they enjoy watching human suffering.

Think of how annoyed you would be after ONE DAY of someone filling up your game screen with messages while you're trying to play. Then think of it going on for TWO DAYS. THREE DAYS. FOUR DAYS. Relentless, day after day. Now you're fuming. You would have exploded LOOOONG ago.

Yeah, this has been going on for well over a year now, And I have just used /squelch and /dnd all this time, but it isn't enough.

I shouldn't have to put up with endless harassment from psychos because people who have power to stop it think it's okay. It isn't.

I'm also not the only person who feels the way I do. There are many who agree with my view that harassment is NOT okay, who don't want to put themselves out there to get attacked by the rabid mob of losers who want to start talking about my boobs.

Just because W2 carries a large number of juvenile, substance addicted, unemployed, mentally ill, divorced, single, lonely, horny, aggressive and rude people doesn't make sick and abusive behavior right or okay.

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 10:55:05 AM
sounds like babyshark is describing herself as a war2 player
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 06, 2018, 10:59:36 AM
My standard has basically been that if a simple squelch solves the problem, then it's under your control and it's not something the admins need to take up.  If a simple squelch doesn't do the trick because the other party is too persistent, that's when it really rises to harassment and we need to step in. 

In this case, it sounds like babyshark is saying that /squelch is working except that you have to keep doing it over and over.  I know sometimes to join games or to host strongly you have to reconnect first, so that in fact one gaming session could entail half a dozen reconnects and half a dozen times you need to /squelch these people.  Everyday, for a year.

If asking someone to /squelch every single time is too burdensome, then we ought to side with the victim and not the abuser, and ban van until he stops his abusive behavior.  I guess the question is, how hard is it exactly to squelch over and over?  I'm not sure.
 Also, is there any way to make it easier?  Can @iL get the server to remember your squelched users?  Can @Lambchops or another user write a script that auto-squelches a list of people every time you log on?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: mousEtopher on August 06, 2018, 11:12:08 AM
So, what do you think about all of this, mousey and Tora? What is the exact reason why you are being so lenient? If some new guy started being toxic tomorrow, would he be allowed to do so as well?
tora's answer is pretty accurate eren:

The server is mainly for players who have played war2 pre RU. In other words it's a community built by veterans and casual war2 enthusiasts who are trying to entertain themselves. Most players aren't interested in teaching new players how to play or game with them for very long if they aren't progressing. 
there aren't many community-oriented initiative-takers here, most people just want to log on & play a few games with the people they've been gaming with for 10+ years and then log off. new people can play here if they want to but most people don't have much of a vested interested in accommodating or nurturing them.

also, when iL set up this new forum a few years ago he also implemented a new rule policy to try to cut back on the toxic environment
(https://i.imgur.com/f6L2ZkG.png)
this would be a nightmare to try to enforce. even if most people didn't flagrantly rebel against it, our ipbans are easy to get around & there're no easy-to-use settings to control new registrations/permissions etc like discord & other modern software has. trying to enforce this rules policy would be a full time job. i don't have time for that, any volunteer here who does? we tried for like a minute back then and then gave up. as an admin i don't enforce "my ideal vision of what the server would be like in a perfect world", i enforce the rules the community in general including other admins agree on.

Every other app and gaming site has a BLOCK feature so persistent abusers and harassers can't continue for months and months and months to message you every time you log in.
this feature hasn't been deliberately omitted though, it's just a shortcoming of the outdated pvpgn technology. the server isn't subject to ongoing development, it's just made available here as-in for people to use if they want to. no one has to use it if they don't want to. no one has been promised that it will be a courteous & respectful gaming environment if they do.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 06, 2018, 11:13:53 AM
If you just don't respond to van.. He moves on pretty quick.. Just like anyone else.

He might try it later (a couple hours.. Or a couple days) .. But if you never respond it takes the fun out of it. Its a pretty simple solution. Don't feed the fire and it will eventually go out.

Most of us learned this by 3rd grade
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: mousEtopher on August 06, 2018, 11:24:29 AM
If a simple squelch doesn't do the trick because the other party is too persistent, that's when it really rises to harassment and we need to step in. 
yeah, that's the stance i took about leeroy

If asking someone to /squelch every single time is too burdensome, then we ought to side with the victim and not the abuser, and ban van until he stops his abusive behavior.  I guess the question is, how hard is it exactly to squelch over and over?  I'm not sure.
 Also, is there any way to make it easier?  Can @iL get the server to remember your squelched users?  Can @Lambchops or another user write a script that auto-squelches a list of people every time you log on?
i don't oppose banning van, but my understanding 1 year ago was that such an action would be viewed as "too extreme". i got some opposition as it was for giving leeroy a 7 day ban for the ongoing flaming of TGS, BS & others. if there's consensus for that now then by all means. but how do we know that it's been happening nonstop for 1 full year, or at all? i have nothing against BS but she did try to frame Yamon with some bogus screenshot request, so we know she isn't above lying in order to get someone banned 

either way, persistent squelch would be great & would solve the problem, would be a great feature if someone can set it up
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 06, 2018, 11:41:39 AM
i checked the pvpgn forum and was fairly surprised to find nobody has ever developed like a third party mod or anything to add persistent squelching but i guess it's pretty dead on there.  one of the most recent posts is from USA-Archer lol
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Erenussocrates on August 06, 2018, 11:44:27 AM
@mousey, but have you read my reply on tora's post though? I still haven't been convinced.

But yet it doesn't really work, does it? Average age of 25-35 doesn't mean much to me if the individual doesn't actually act their age. No matter whatever kind of community you are in, everyone has the right to expect atleast that bare minimum level of respect I think, it's part of being in a society. Trashtalking is fine between friends, but I don't necessarily see that could be welcome between strangers or people who don't want to be engaged in such a manner, or getting trolled/cyberbullied often (it sounds like that's what BabyShark didn't want from the start, which is completely normal).

I also don't agree with your perspective of "policing things that are outside of war2ru". An administrator's duty is to admin the server and it's related forums, and to keep those two ordered, not the stuff outside of it. And for people who carry the issue to the outside of that scope are to resolve things between themselves. This is the normal definition of administrating a community such as this.

I do know people who are passionate about warcraft 2 yet who do not play multiplayer, I think they could have had a chance to be integrated into a community like this, if only your approach about administration wasn't wrong, that's what I'm talking about. The newcomers don't necessarily need to be taught how to play the games by others, but the environment that you are currently enabling gives actual zero chance for this community to grow and thrive. I am not someone who is easily offended by stuff written by others, but when I look from a general perspective of what's acceptable in a society, when I join the war2combat server and take a short glance at the server chatbox, I'm assured that nobody who could have otherwise enjoyed playing MP would have stayed here, and for good reason. Not after seeing the rampant racial and homophobic slurs made by trolls X'D
The issue pushed by BabyShark is just one example.

All in all, your policy about the forums and server seems like it would enable trolls and people who were otherwise outlawed by other communities, and give them a place to thrive here. War2ru could literally become 4chan, I could foresee this.

On top of that, I don't think controlling new registrations would be TOO hard of a task really. Like, I mean... If every new registration was checked by admins for example? And even if you IP banned, if the average age really is between 25-35 and if everyone got a job, I doubt most trolls would be too persistent to try new VPN addresses and such to re-register and continue harrassing. That stuff also takes some time too lol. I just wish that the entire system could be overhauled to a modern standard so you wouldn't have to deal with stuff like these. A permanent blocking system should have been a given, at least.
I don't want you guys to administrate as if you are doing a full-time job neither ofcourse.

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Ywfn on August 06, 2018, 01:02:11 PM
The search is on high and low for a W2 user who has no issues.

I'm your huckleberry

I'm also sg's favorite and best-est ally of all time. Just ask him.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 02:33:13 PM
I think babyshark is just jealous of vans wife and wants to get in on that so shes fabricating stories in order to steal VAN. surkin the derkin.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Paper_Boy on August 06, 2018, 03:43:44 PM
It wouldn’t be that hard to assign a chat macro to an Fkey, could automatically squelch people when u log on. Depends on your version of windows or you can download a free program. Van says he’s only messaged u 5 times in the last year, r u sure nobody is smurfing as him? You should take SS! That’s shitty 2 people were mean to you (and i put leeroy on my auto ban 4 life list after observing what a piece of shit he is) but i’m curious how calling the authorities would help . 911 , whats your Emergency? ___Jay and Silent Bob voice “Bruuhhh this guyzz Totally talking shit online” lol =)
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Lone on August 06, 2018, 04:19:12 PM
I believe Claw (maybe 2pac) had a solution for auto-squelching. Ask them?

The channels are logged, is there no way to do a simple search specifically for whispers between two players? Alternatively Bs can make a few screen shots and share them here. Without proof this just cannot be taken seriously whatsoever. Seems a lot simpler than writing all these novels or making fun of one's self in front of the police.

Also, making a new ID and only telling about it to certain people should solve the problem...

Besides, Bs herself has a put a significant amount of effort into publicly talking trash (to Tk for example). "Alcoholic husband of a whore" imo is worse than Van's meaningless spam of curse words so... If you're addicted to drama, then learn to handle it!

If anyone is going as far as Bs states, then there must be a reason for it (certainly with Van). Care to share?

Regarding the reference to LoL and Riot games, wc2 players have always all behaved like angels compared to that "community". This easily includes Van (I'm aware he's had terrible behavior tho). I know this from experience.

There were female players (for example from Croatia, xSarax). I don't remember them having had such problems so I highly doubt "I'm female therefore I am subject to regular harassment"  is a valid argument. The problem is your attitude.

Anyway... simple:
New ID / Auto-squelch from Claw / Gather screen-shots instead of talking shit and send them to the admins / visit a therapist and learn to ignore what is meaningless, and care for what is important.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tupac on August 06, 2018, 04:27:38 PM
I believe Claw (maybe 2pac) had a solution for auto-squelching. Ask them?

The channels are logged, is there no way to do a simple search specifically for whispers between two players? Alternatively Bs can make a few screen shots and share them here. Without proof this just cannot be taken seriously whatsoever. Seems a lot simpler than writing all these novels or making fun of one's self in front of the police.

Also, making a new ID and only telling about it to certain people should solve the problem...

Besides, Bs herself has a put a significant amount of effort into publicly talking trash (to Tk for example). "Alcoholic husband of a whore" imo is worse than Van's meaningless spam of curse words so... If you're addicted to drama, then learn to handle it!

If anyone is going as far as Bs states, then there must be a reason for it (certainly with Van). Care to share?

Regarding the reference to LoL and Riot games, wc2 players have always all behaved like angels compared to that "community". This easily includes Van (I'm aware he's had terrible behavior tho). I know this from experience.

Anyway... simple:
New ID / Auto-squelch from Claw / Gather screen-shots instead of talking shit and send them to the admins / visit a therapist and learn to ignore what is meaningless, and care for what is important.
I wrote a program years ago to do that. It was released on the old forums. That would be the poor way to go about this. Something server sided would be best.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Lone on August 06, 2018, 04:36:01 PM
It's an alright temporary solution given that only one player wants it.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 06, 2018, 04:55:46 PM
I believe Claw (maybe 2pac) had a solution for auto-squelching. Ask them?

The channels are logged, is there no way to do a simple search specifically for whispers between two players? Alternatively Bs can make a few screen shots and share them here. Without proof this just cannot be taken seriously whatsoever. Seems a lot simpler than writing all these novels or making fun of one's self in front of the police.

Also, making a new ID and only telling about it to certain people should solve the problem...

Besides, Bs herself has a put a significant amount of effort into publicly talking trash (to Tk for example). "Alcoholic husband of a whore" imo is worse than Van's meaningless spam of curse words so... If you're addicted to drama, then learn to handle it!

If anyone is going as far as Bs states, then there must be a reason for it (certainly with Van). Care to share?

Regarding the reference to LoL and Riot games, wc2 players have always all behaved like angels compared to that "community". This easily includes Van (I'm aware he's had terrible behavior tho). I know this from experience.

Anyway... simple:
New ID / Auto-squelch from Claw / Gather screen-shots instead of talking shit and send them to the admins / visit a therapist and learn to ignore what is meaningless, and care for what is important.
I wrote a program years ago to do that. It was released on the old forums. That would be the poor way to go about this. Something server sided would be best.
This would be great for babyshark if you still have the link

instructions for a function key macro can be found here:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/237179/assign-macro-or-function-to-keys-on-your-keyboard
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 06:27:45 PM
I'm free to talk if babyshark needs a friend, I've been bullied alot by 00 over the years.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 06, 2018, 06:31:04 PM
Lol@BS
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 06:32:13 PM
Lol@BS

Looky here garlic bread, its not nice to make fun of other peoples problems. Just because they are made up in their own mind doesn't mean they aren't very real to them!
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 07:15:15 PM
And also VAN definitely had this coming, he has  meddled in the personal lives of war2 players on FB before so, surk my derk birch vurn.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 06, 2018, 07:23:52 PM
Laughing right now seriously, so lets get this straight.....   I have never continuously messaged this person we call BS,  definitely think she needs some therapy.... as to my shit talking.... everyone gets it evenly.... anyone that is rational knows I am a good person and shit talk words that aggrivate people like lone said but I am not personally attacking anyone unless they talk about my wife or kid which has happened hundreds of times and i move on with it like any other person...   But I don't think that messaging someone's relative is ok what soever and really shows how messed up your are in the head if you have the audacity to embarass yourself like that making fake accuations... if it was a real thing I might be on your side but I have no clue who the fuck you are other than your mediocre skillset name.  Maybe games with you 10 times in history of my war2ru... So i have no clue what your ranting is coming from.  You have squelched me anytime what I have said offended you in the chat ROOM NOT PRIVATE MESSAGES SO LETS GET THIS PERFECTLY STRAIGHT I HAVE NEVER CONTINUOUSLY MESSAGED YOU FOR A YEAR STRAIGHT SO LETS ALL GET THIS PERFECTLY STRAIGHT PEOPLE THIS RIGHT HERE IS PSYCHO TALK.   I get along with alot of people and most of the time I only shit talk people who have continuously done the same to me in the past seeing how we mostly all know each other if were logged under certain names (cant tell who smurfs are when we shit talk).   We're all adults learn how to deal with it or dont log on thats my opinion I have been playing this game since I was a kid and there were people who had vulgar language that was normal war2 community talk thats where we all learned it from really were not these vile humans that you see us as.   The message to my wife was very psycho imo... Yes I am guilty of trolling people in the server but go ahead and ask the community which elite player has given alot of their times to help keep them in games so they can learn.  I have made alot of decent players that would of got booted and maybe ran from the game, and got them good enough to compete and talk to them on a personal level.  I have never really interacted much with babyshark in the history of war2ru, she smack talks my ranting ignores me and thats about all I have ever interacted with her.    So this whole thing is really starting to piss me off , swore I was never going to use this forum but the WOE POOR LITTLE ME fabricated story needs to stop.  As of her shit with leeroyjenkins i can honestly agree (coming from van) that guy is a pile of human shit.  Have a good day fuckers
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 07:26:57 PM
Did van just call himself an elite player?!
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: XuRnT on August 06, 2018, 08:32:10 PM
And also VAN definitely had this coming, he has  meddled in the personal lives of war2 players on FB before so, surk my derk birch vurn.

This just reminded me of TheJoker saying he had to block you for stalking his gf or something on facebook :D
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 06, 2018, 08:45:16 PM
Jordan has stalked multiple war2 players friends (girls) profiles and been called out for his creepy ass comments etc.    Only shit I ever did was make fun of Swifts fake business page with only war2 players liking/commenting on it.    SOOOOO like anyone that really comments on this forum... most of you are the one with issues not the other way around.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 08:48:01 PM
And also VAN definitely had this coming, he has  meddled in the personal lives of war2 players on FB before so, surk my derk birch vurn.

This just reminded me of TheJoker saying he had to block you for stalking his gf or something on facebook :D

For the record, she had it coming for wearing that dress on her profile.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 06, 2018, 08:48:43 PM
Jordan has stalked multiple war2 players friends (girls) profiles and been called out for his creepy ass comments etc.    Only shit I ever did was make fun of Swifts fake business page with only war2 players liking/commenting on it.    SOOOOO like anyone that really comments on this forum... most of you are the one with issues not the other way around.

So easy to point the finger... SO EASY! try turning that finger around, and shoving it up your ass, now thats hard.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 06, 2018, 10:39:31 PM
To admins: Please feel free to pull up all private message history between myself and van and post it here.

The reason I don't have a pretty collection of hate filled ss's is because I've dealt this way with the vulgar messages for many months:

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=Jgy93P_44EU#)

11:55
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Lambchops on August 07, 2018, 03:33:37 AM
Haven't really been following this, but it seems someone has hit BS's nuclear-rampage button, and she has responded by spraying automatic weapons fire at anyone within a 3 block radius, which was also not very wise.

Without knowing the full details, I still have no doubt that this did not happen without a fair amount of duress. The exact dimensions of the straw that broke the camel's back are not very relevant. I think I know BS well enough to know that her approach to this game is to have fun and be friendly and inclusive. I have never heard her get angry about a game or insult other players as a result.

Her political/social opinions can be strong, and not to everyone's taste, most of you will be aware I myself have been involved in a few spirited discussions about these with her on this forum, but I don't think she generally goes around jamming her opinions down everyone's throat unless they have engaged with her on a given topic.

Undoubtedly her default 'go-to' demeanor is to be friendly and good-humored.

---

Van, I don't know very well, but having engaged with him a bit in the last few months this is what I have observed: Van is frequently rude and abrasive, which personally I don't like, however after first encountering this and serving him a bit of crap in return, he appears to be able to take it as well as dish it out, so some points there. I personally don't mind interacting with him in games. At least Van tends not to smurf and owns his comments, he also posts on this forum using his in-game name which many people do not. IDK the exact content/frequency of any messaging between van and BS, but I would advise him to avoid this sort of thing or he might end up having to also own the combined fall-out from his own words and those of others lacking the stones to own them.

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Lee is possibly one of the most noxious people I have ever encountered. He is rude, petty, small minded, nasty, hateful and sneaky. He has more AKAs than just about anyone else on the server and regularly changes them multiple time a day so he can keep being an asshole without having to be accountable for his actions. If I had to guess I'd say he is just just 24/7 angry at the world for being born with a tiny little penis. Lee, I don't think that you personally being the world's biggest dick will make it grow, try a different approach....

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Regardless of any of this, I really don't approve of anyone inflicting hateful stuff on people who are not engaging on a similar level, however if you are spewing unsolicited sexually based bile at one of our only female community members simply because you are frustrated about your iddy biddy wenis then you should be embarrassed, and the community should not put up with it.

I 100% support punitive action being taken against people pulling un-called for nasty sexist crap like that in the Pirate's Lagoon 4v4 video below.

For anybody else who really thinks they need to say something to BS or any other female, ffs be a bit smart and don't make it sexually based rubbish. Even if you don't think it makes you look pathetic for going there (which it absolutely does), in today's cyber-PC climate there's a fair chance you could actually end up getting in real trouble if, heaven forbid, someone actually did make an issue of it with the authorities. If it did end up in court, you would all get lumped in with Lee and his tiny dick and some female judge would throw the book at you. I would hate to see that happen, so remember there are now actual specific laws which make this stuff definitely illegal in the US and elsewhere.


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This just reminded me of TheJoker saying he had to block you for stalking his gf or something on facebook :D

For the record, she had it coming for wearing that dress on her profile.


For the record, even assuming this is supposed to be a joke, it still needs a big #CreepyMuch

...although I do understand how you might find this confusing as I'm sure no woman who doesn't charge by the hour has ever put on a nice dress to look good for you.


------------------------

RE: Persistent squelching.

An instant if somewhat inelegant fix would be (as others have mentioned) to use some sort of macro to re-type the /squelch stuff. I'd suggest something like AHK (https://www.autohotkey.com) for this. But a macro to squelch every one of Lee's AKAs every game is going to be a bit intrusive, and also forces anyone using it to look at all his names being squelched every game, and for me that would just make me want to log off or punch the screen.

The idea of an exe mod that would filter out chat from specific players is possible. I located the proc that displays in game messages a while back so this could be rewritten to accomplish this. I haven't really investigated further to determine if it is the same proc that displays /m or /w messages - possibly but if not that one would also have to be located and modded - the same again for channel message display.

I haven't had time to work on WC2 stuff lately - I'm half way through a hosting fix that I think should work but haven't even looked at it in weeks. Certainly I don't have an instant off-the-shelf squelch fix that I can just implement overnight but I can see this being worth including in the next major CE update, so maybe then.

Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Ring62 on August 07, 2018, 03:46:07 AM
I like babyshark cause she is not a 1 map player like some of here gardeners or choppers
 she is playing all maps so leave her alone u noobs,,, plus shes better than me...
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 07, 2018, 04:12:32 AM
This has to be a troll thread right
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Lambchops on August 07, 2018, 04:42:09 AM
This has to be a troll thread right

Yeah, I'm not surprised you don't get it sg. Try HERE (https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bogan) for something to read.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: XuRnT on August 07, 2018, 05:58:54 AM
This has to be a troll thread right

Ya it's threads like this and your how are war2 players shit thread that should be in the Goldmine section eventually. Most of the threads in there now make that section too much of a joke. Quality GoldMine threads!
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 07, 2018, 10:34:25 AM
For the record, even assuming this is supposed to be a joke, it still needs a big #CreepyMuch

...although I do understand how you might find this confusing as I'm sure no woman who doesn't charge by the hour has ever put on a nice dress to look good for you.

Does your mom count?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 07, 2018, 11:00:26 AM
For anybody else who really thinks they need to say something to BS or any other female, ffs be a bit smart and don't make it sexually based rubbish. Even if you don't think it makes you look pathetic for going there (which it absolutely does), in today's cyber-PC climate there's a fair chance you could actually end up getting in real trouble if, heaven forbid, someone actually did make an issue of it with the authorities. If it did end up in court, you would all get lumped in with Lee and his tiny dick and some female judge would throw the book at you. I would hate to see that happen, so remember there are now actual specific laws which make this stuff definitely illegal in the US and elsewhere.

There would be no more room in jail if every guy went for saying something sexual to a woman, like "I wold love to plow you". "Down to fuck?". "Can you Cleveland steamer you?". Not illegal to proposition a woman for a Cincinatti Surprise, unless its for money,
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Antti_Kiviniemi on August 07, 2018, 11:29:20 AM
just saying, while chatting with babyshark its difficult not to grind my teeth while talking with her. and im not a person who grinds his teeth. she is very vindictive of any actions or events which she feels or perceives as slights.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 07, 2018, 11:31:04 AM
How about this for a solution, I wouldn't normally say it but this has become a big enough fiasco that it's getting out of hand, and this seems like an easy enough solution:

van and leeroy don't whisper Babyshark ever again.  There's no reason they need to do that to hang out on the server and they can still flame other people or talk shit in chat

Babyshark doesn't whisper them ever and doesn't contact them on facebook and definitely doesn't contact their family members.

Would that be too hard for anyone?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 07, 2018, 11:37:49 AM
Would that be too hard for anyone?

LOL blid... How are you old friend? If you send you a computer will you come back to war2?

It's impossible, they are just living out their childhood in adult life so that when someone tells them not to do something they will just do it anyway.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Shotgun on August 07, 2018, 11:56:00 AM
When Van logs onto war2

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL6SFymVoAAhVT1.jpg:large)
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 07, 2018, 12:17:37 PM
LMFAO I am not FeverTree you dumb newbie
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 07, 2018, 12:23:37 PM
fevertree is leeroy i believe
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 07, 2018, 12:27:07 PM
Seeing how I never messaged her in the first place thats no problem.  I feel like Leeroy finally broke her under FeverTree and she took that shit out on me too LOL. 
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Ywfn on August 07, 2018, 12:44:30 PM
To be fair, I've seen enough creepy and weird behavior over the years that I wouldn't be surprised if female players are disproportionately harassed on the server at a greater level due entirely to their gender. That tends to happen in gaming and online communities generally, and War2 attracts people from both of those audiences.

Historically, I have been in the camp that it's best to just let vulgar/harassing/etc behavior go, because the alternative--to attempt to police that behavior--potentially sends us down a path where some admin might one day try to enforce their censorship views in ways that crosses lines way beyond just restriction of the most egregious behavior.

However lately, I've found myself wondering if maybe it's time to change a bit. War2 is now a game played primarily by adults, many of who are in their 30s and 40s and are (or at least should be) perfectly capable of managing their behavior responsibly. Society is also changing, with tolerance for this sort of behavior at an all time low, and while i personally think it's not right, there are certainly those that support not just holding people accountable for what they say, but also people who "could" or "should" have done something about it. All it takes is for someone to come along who cares more about taking a stand than the community and the game, and there's a potential for a lot of collateral damage even for those that have never uttered a single aggressive/negative thing.

We've taken strong positions on overt racism, at least on the forum, before. Perhaps it's time to take a closer look at that boundary, along with some other commonly excepted societal boundaries, like sexism, and establish some bare minimum expectations of decorum, with defined penalties, similar to our policies on hacking. It's understood that enforcement will be difficult since people can just create another account through a VPN, but that could all be spelled out in whatever artifact describes the expectations.

Ultimately it's basically impossible to stop someone from logging in to an open server and harassing a particular player if they really want to, but we could, at the very least, establish that the vast majority of the community and the admins do not condone it and will at least create a little bit of a barrier to the most egregious of behaviors.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 07, 2018, 01:03:35 PM
Thank you YWFN for saying something.

Van is lying through his teeth.

I ask the admins to please pull up the private message history between van and myself and/or chat room transcripts of his abusive behavior. I am willing to pay for the work involved in this.

I thought ignoring would eventually stop the problem, but it did not.

I have routinely been messaged "you're a fat ugly bitch/cunt", "you blow", and every other manner of intentionally inflammatory comment out of the blue on a level that no one else on the server faces, in private messages by someone I never talk to or play with for over a year, maybe even two. It's been going on for a really long time and I'm fed up.

I don't have a lot of ss's for the reason I mentioned previously, that I simply routinely used /ignore or /dnd over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.

This is from a tail end of a recent one way monologue when I'd had enough and thought it was time to put a stop to it.

(https://i.imgur.com/viymk3J.png)

There was also similar hateful language used on the discord server recently but mousey erased the evidence.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: jordan4385 on August 07, 2018, 01:06:23 PM
Dont feel bad babyshark, van says repeatedly that i have a big forehead, and my ginger children have no soul. I have returned the favor by saying that his daughter will be nailed by 17 black guys by the age of consent at 16.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Ywfn on August 07, 2018, 01:21:13 PM
I have routinely been messaged "you're a fat ugly bitch/cunt", "you blow", and every other manner of intentionally inflammatory comment out of the blue

For what it's worth, Van has said those exact phrases to me many times over private messages while playing, watching games he's playing, or just sitting in chat. I just assume he does it universally.

Please know, I'm not saying necessarily that you aren't getting it worse, defending that sort of behavior, or saying that there aren't others that are harassing you in disproportionate ways. All I'm saying is, in van's case, it is definitely possible that it is actually consistent with how he treats everyone else.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: easycompany on August 07, 2018, 01:51:23 PM
yeah i got cussed out when i threw a flame shield on one of his units,while back.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 07, 2018, 06:44:29 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: van on August 07, 2018, 07:08:40 PM
I guess it is time to say good bye!  Just uninstalled warcraft 2!  Best of luck with the server
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 07, 2018, 07:39:24 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/3uDh1yZ.png)
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 07, 2018, 07:40:42 PM
now.. after Babyshark called my wife a prostitute earlier in this post, and is now banning me from games.. would a "Typical" (possibly not mature) response be to talk shit and harass her?
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 07, 2018, 07:53:57 PM
or should i just contact her parents and let them know about her behavior
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: Lambchops on August 07, 2018, 08:52:20 PM
How about this for a solution, I wouldn't normally say it but this has become a big enough fiasco that it's getting out of hand, and this seems like an easy enough solution:

van and leeroy don't whisper Babyshark ever again.  There's no reason they need to do that to hang out on the server and they can still flame other people or talk shit in chat

Babyshark doesn't whisper them ever and doesn't contact them on facebook and definitely doesn't contact their family members.

Would that be too hard for anyone?


Awesome. What a great plan :)

Everyone take 3 deep breaths and go back to playing the actual game .... which is fun right?




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I guess it is time to say good bye!  Just uninstalled warcraft 2!  Best of luck with the server

Damn buddy.... so your wife beat you pretty bad then? ;D

Seriously I'd try to talk you out of it if I wasn't sure you'll be back in 48 hours.

Does your mom count?

OMG! Zinger! ... Lambchops report to the burns unit ... oh my that put me in my place.

For anybody else who really thinks they need to say something to BS or any other female, ffs be a bit smart and don't make it sexually based rubbish. Even if you don't think it makes you look pathetic for going there (which it absolutely does), in today's cyber-PC climate there's a fair chance you could actually end up getting in real trouble if, heaven forbid, someone actually did make an issue of it with the authorities. If it did end up in court, you would all get lumped in with Lee and his tiny dick and some female judge would throw the book at you. I would hate to see that happen, so remember there are now actual specific laws which make this stuff definitely illegal in the US and elsewhere.

There would be no more room in jail if every guy went for saying something sexual to a woman, like "I wold love to plow you". "Down to fuck?". "Can you Cleveland steamer you?". Not illegal to proposition a woman for a Cincinatti Surprise, unless its for money,


Of course not. But that is quite different to continually harassing someone sexually after there are official complaints about the behavior on the record. There are definitely laws against it. Duh. What planet are you from?


Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: BabyShark on August 07, 2018, 09:08:01 PM
Tk, I was provoked beyond belief. Spammed hateful garbage for over a year by van and leeroy, then mocked and harassed further by a lot of people that I've always been decent to including yourself for trying to get it to stop.

I'm sorry for the post I made when I was very angry. You treated me horribly for no reason to garner such a response out of me, but that isn't who I want to be. I will remove it.

I will remind you that you are one of the people I defended when other people were attacking you. I told them to stop being mean. I don't like to see anyone bullied.

I will leave you alone, you will leave me alone. I hope we are agreed.
Title: Re: Online Psychos Continue to Harass and Spam
Post by: tk[as] on August 07, 2018, 09:55:34 PM
nobody bullies me. i typically understand the reaction i will get when i say/do things, or at least do/say them interested in finding out what the reaction will be.

p.s. .. i dont care if u call my wife a prostitute... i know what she is and what she isnt. nobody else here can say the same.. so why get offended over things that are not only false, but things said by people who literally have no clue if they're true or not?

just empty words meant to get under my skin. just like the shit van says. or leeroy... i dont have it in me to be bothered by it.