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General => General Discussion => Topic started by: woofy on February 25, 2022, 02:24:08 AM
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Just heard the news of the conscription. Good luck, let's hope this shit dies down fast and you can all come back and lose to my mages again soon!!
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@RagneR from Ukraine. Is it like we see on TV?
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I hope Russia liberates Ukraine soon
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war is fucked, no matter who's left, or right.
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war is fucked, no matter who's left, or right.
yeah it sucks. lots of ukrainian people who dont give a shit about politics getting run over by russians or forcibly pulled into ukraine forces.
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hope all is well with Russia, Ukraine, and Sounds like many are fleeing to Pioland.
Agree war is senseless and horrible. no fucking reason for it.. would be so much better to work together to solve problems together for the greater good of humanity than it is to argue and destroy eachother. Everyone wins. Let everyone win. tf
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did u have those opinions when amerikkka was ruining iraq and afghanistan? supporing saudi's genocide in yemen? recent bombing of somalia?
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hope all is well with Russia, Ukraine, and Sounds like many are fleeing to Pioland.
Agree war is senseless and horrible. no fucking reason for it.. would be so much better to work together to solve problems together for the greater good of humanity than it is to argue and destroy eachother. Everyone wins. Let everyone win. tf
Unfortunately ukraine was being torn between the east and west so that there was no way everyone could win. im surprised russia actually invaded and dont really care about the guys being thrown out of power in ukraine but it's not good for ordinary Folkses.
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did u have those opinions when amerikkka was ruining iraq and afghanistan? supporing saudi's genocide in yemen? recent bombing of somalia?
i had little understanding of politics when we invaded iraq and afghanistan. Naive to the corruption. I started forming those opinions while in iraq. Both wars built on lies. I dont support any war. It's not a solution to anything productive for humanity as a whole.
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nato bitchddog ukraine was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics for months. ukraine is now crying after Russia is finally doing something about it, fuck off. wtf is ukraine anyways but another u.s puppet state useful only for u.s' continuing pursuit of global domination.
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I mean ever since a democratically elected leader got deposed by euro-loving kiev residents and meddling US ambassadors -- for the crime of trying to take a superior russian trade deal instead of onerous imf loans mind you -- things have been going down a bad track. the recent talk of joining NATO was clearly a red line. but that doesn't mean the war owns or that lots of innocent peolpes lives arent being upended. It's naive to think there is nothing worth picking up arms for, but at the same time it's also always best to avoid violence and upheaval where possible.
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(https://i.redd.it/7nkk3qada2k81.png)
seems insane
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seems insane
You are insane if you support your war criminal leader. War is always the worst possible option. Killing people is always a tragedy, no matter where, no matter what nation suffer.
War should be only present in Warcraft, just in games, not in real live. Same with USA, China and every other country - war is a tragedy and the worst option for solving problems. Unfortunately, human life is still not the most precious thing for our species.
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nato bitchddog ukraine was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics for months. ukraine is now crying after Russia is finally doing something about it, fuck off. wtf is ukraine anyways but another u.s puppet state useful only for u.s' continuing pursuit of global domination.
Are your serious? Are you really saying it’s ok for Russia to invade Ukraine and topple its government?
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(https://i.redd.it/7nkk3qada2k81.png)
seems insane
Twitter is not a reliable source of information.
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nato bitchddog ukraine was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics for months. ukraine is now crying after Russia is finally doing something about it, fuck off. wtf is ukraine anyways but another u.s puppet state useful only for u.s' continuing pursuit of global domination.
Are your serious? Are you really saying it’s ok for Russia to invade Ukraine and topple its government?
yes, ukraine's government isn't legitimate and a u.s puppet regime
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nato bitchddog ukraine was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics for months. ukraine is now crying after Russia is finally doing something about it, fuck off. wtf is ukraine anyways but another u.s puppet state useful only for u.s' continuing pursuit of global domination.
Are your serious? Are you really saying it’s ok for Russia to invade Ukraine and topple its government?
also what about Ukraine murdering people in Luhansk and Donestk did you not understand you colossal retard?
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nato bitchddog ukraine was shelling Luhansk and Donetsk people's republics for months. ukraine is now crying after Russia is finally doing something about it, fuck off. wtf is ukraine anyways but another u.s puppet state useful only for u.s' continuing pursuit of global domination.
Are your serious? Are you really saying it’s ok for Russia to invade Ukraine and topple its government?
yes, ukraine's government isn't legitimate and a u.s puppet regime
Would anyone have an issue if I banned this guy for saying it's okay to kill people and overthrow a democratically elected government?
Jon is just a troll. If I go through his posts there is nothing meaningfully and 99% of his posts are nonsense talk about "capitalism is bad and we need to destroy/kill all the people that support it."
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anyways, unhinged clown nation Ukraine is arming every citizen, which is obviously going to result in many civilian deaths.. I thought Russia was supposed to be the unhinged country.
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this useless retard gets dominated by me in debate and his response is to ban, hahahahahaha
i don't even think he knew Ukraine was a country before this war because he's totally confused about Donestk and Luhansk, just your typical npc american.
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I’m done with you Jon. 30 day ban.
More than half the players on this server are from former Soviet states your post are very offensive to them.
You don’t even play war2. why are you here?
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i think censoring "hate-speech" is counter-productive
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i think censoring "hate-speech" is counter-productive
If he was an actual player on the server I would probably let it go.
That guy “every billionaire is a policy failure” just comes to this war2 forum and trash talks without actually playing the game.
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This is general discussion, not war2 discussion or moderated discussion, and jon shouldn't be banned for having differing opinions. And there's a lot of truth in what he's saying. No one ever got banned from this board for supporting the invasion of iraq or the invasion of libya etc. so why now?
#1: Ukraine actually is infested with nazis. They formally folded a literal Nazi battalion into their national guard. They have some nazis in elected positions. Here's a tweet from the official ukrainian national guard twitter, showing off how the nazi battalion is greasing bullets with pig lard to shoot muslim "orcs" with. Invalid Tweet ID
These are the types of people most invested in the ukrainian identity so they have always been the most fervently anti-russia. They admire a nationalist militia, the organization of ukrainian nationalists, that ethnically cleansed polish people, killing tens of thousands of women and children, and they fly their flag everywhere.
#2: There was a more russian leaning elected leader in ukraine that got overthrown with support from the west after he tried to enter into a russian trade deal. Ever since then, russian-leaning parts of eastern ukraine have been broken away and have been trying to claim autonomy. Ukrainian militias have been shelling them constantly including increasing the shelling in the run up to this war. This is covered widely on Russian TV.
#3: NATO, the anti-russian military alliance, has been encroaching more and more into eastern territory. Russians see this is a major threat to their security. Baltic states were already admitted, when Russia was too weak to stop it, but now there was talk of bringing in Ukraine. This was clearly a red line with Russia and in the run-up to the invasion, when the US was trumpeting more and more that Russia was going to attack, i never saw anyone promise not to bring Ukraine into Nato.
Clearly russia determined that they were tired of the walls pushing in on them, tired of being shoved around, and that it was time for decisive action. Russia is a nuclear power and former superpower that has now had the west playing games in its backyard for years and wanted to reassert itself, maybe even seeing this as a moment that would escape from them if they waited around and didn't act decisively. There is a cold but rational logic to it if they want to maximize their position in the world, as most countries do. I have to think there were alternatives to invasion, and all sorts of ordinary working people suffer during war, but in the long lead up maybe putin finally determined nobody was willing to concede anything if he did not act.
Oh, forgot to mention so ill add here, let's not also forget the recent "color revolution" attempt the west did to belarus 2020, taking aim at another russian border state. insane
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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1646074880 (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1646074880)
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This is general discussion, not war2 discussion or moderated discussion, and jon shouldn't be banned for having differing opinions. And there's a lot of truth in what he's saying. No one ever got banned from this board for supporting the invasion of iraq or the invasion of libya etc. so why now?
#1: Ukraine actually is infested with nazis. They formally folded a literal Nazi battalion into their national guard. They have some nazis in elected positions. Here's a tweet from the official ukrainian national guard twitter, showing off how the nazi battalion is greasing bullets with pig lard to shoot muslim "orcs" with. Invalid Tweet ID
These are the types of people most invested in the ukrainian identity so they have always been the most fervently anti-russia. They admire a nationalist militia, the organization of ukrainian nationalists, that ethnically cleansed polish people, killing tens of thousands of women and children, and they fly their flag everywhere.
#2: There was a more russian leaning elected leader in ukraine that got overthrown with support from the west after he tried to enter into a russian trade deal. Ever since then, russian-leaning parts of eastern ukraine have been broken away and have been trying to claim autonomy. Ukrainian militias have been shelling them constantly including increasing the shelling in the run up to this war. This is covered widely on Russian TV.
#3: NATO, the anti-russian military alliance, has been encroaching more and more into eastern territory. Russians see this is a major threat to their security. Baltic states were already admitted, when Russia was too weak to stop it, but now there was talk of bringing in Ukraine. This was clearly a red line with Russia and in the run-up to the invasion, when the US was trumpeting more and more that Russia was going to attack, i never saw anyone promise not to bring Ukraine into Nato.
Clearly russia determined that they were tired of the walls pushing in on them, tired of being shoved around, and that it was time for decisive action. Russia is a nuclear power and former superpower that has now had the west playing games in its backyard for years and wanted to reassert itself, maybe even seeing this as a moment that would escape from them if they waited around and didn't act decisively. There is a cold but rational logic to it if they want to maximize their position in the world, as most countries do. I have to think there were alternatives to invasion, and all sorts of ordinary working people suffer during war, but in the long lead up maybe putin finally determined nobody was willing to concede anything if he did not act.
Oh, forgot to mention so ill add here, let's not also forget the recent "color revolution" attempt the west did to belarus 2020, taking aim at another russian border state. insane
Well Jon doesn’t actually post well articulated posts here.
He just spams trash talk 9 times out of 10 coupled with the fact he doesn’t even play war2. I get it this is the general section of the war2 server and is separate from the server section but this is still the war 2 forum. Someone that doesn’t play the game and just comes here and trash talks every thread without any real substance wouldn’t be tolerated on any forum.
If you do have views that are very different than most people you should write a post with evidence instead of just saying “your retarded you don’t know what your saying.” Claiming that people dying due to a war invasion wouldn’t be tolerated anywhere on the web. I get it this forum is very loosely monitored hence why we tolerate almost anything here.
As far as why we didn’t ban people for saying “killing people in Iraq and Libya?” Can you give examples of posts members made similar to Jon’s? You have moderating these forums much longer than I have Blid are you implying such rhetoric has always been ok here?
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Actually it has yes. Jon isnt the first and he certainly wont be the last retard thats been on these forums which have existed before even the RU server itself. This is actually the 2nd iteration of the war2 forums. The first was hosted by Axolotl for about 10-12yrs. When he had to shut them down due to loss of a subdomain (he didnt control the main domain), it was moved to the RU project servers with all the same rules and admins at the time. Admins have come and gone over the years, but the rules have more or less remained the same.
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Actually it has yes. Jon isnt the first and he certainly wont be the last retard thats been on these forums which have existed before even the RU server itself. This is actually the 2nd iteration of the war2 forums. The first was hosted by Axolotl for about 10-12yrs. When he had to shut them down due to loss of a subdomain (he didnt control the main domain), it was moved to the RU project servers with all the same rules and admins at the time. Admins have come and gone over the years, but the rules have more or less remained the same.
Fine I removed it. Let the guy spam about nothing and how capitatim is bad and Russia is great without actually posting any real evidence.
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I’m done with you Jon. 30 day ban.
More than half the players on this server are from former Soviet states your post are very offensive to them.
You don’t even play war2. why are you here?
No one plays War2 anymore you idiot and don't ban me because you got dominated in debate
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I’m done with you Jon. 30 day ban.
More than half the players on this server are from former Soviet states your post are very offensive to them.
You don’t even play war2. why are you here?
No one plays War2 anymore you idiot and don't ban me because you got dominated in debate
Says guy who wanted to make sure everyone understood he was mentally retarded with his screen name.
You don't even have to type anything.
Just hit space bar -> enter so people see your screen name ... And everyone knows you're retarded.
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Ukrainian government encourages untrained civilians to fight, they get blown to pieces predictably. How long before the media claims Russia is targeting civilians?
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Russian bombs have already landed in civilian Ukrainian districts.
... Sooo.. it's already happened.
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Ukrainian civilians have fled, in fact Russia has helped many citizens flee. Any moron civilian still in war zone areas are actively trying to fight.
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God you're an idiot.
"I saw Ukrainians leaving which means all civilians left"
Fuck how are you so dumb.
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I’m done with you Jon. 30 day ban.
More than half the players on this server are from former Soviet states your post are very offensive to them.
You don’t even play war2. why are you here?
No one plays War2 anymore you idiot and don't ban me because you got dominated in debate
Says guy who wanted to make sure everyone understood he was mentally retarded with his screen name.
You don't even have to type anything.
Just hit space bar -> enter so people see your screen name ... And everyone knows you're retarded.
Guy has no shame about being a bootlicking clown 🤣
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That's their home. That's where they feel the most secure. Their friends.. family... Pets... it's all they know. Many feel like staying is their only option.
They didn't all leave. Not even close.
God you're so dumb it's unbelievable
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God you're an idiot.
"I saw Ukrainians leaving which means all civilians left"
Fuck how are you so dumb.
Most citizens did leave, and Russia is not targeting civilians.
Can't say the same about the Iraq invasion, where hundreds of thousands of civilians died to U.S terrorism.
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Most did not. Many. Not most. Many came back when Ukrainian rallied them. When they realized they have support from Western civilians. Some support from Western governments.
Iraq and Afghanistan... Many were senselessly murdered.
The U.S. has a lot of blood on its hands.
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Many came back when Ukrainian rallied them.
yea like I said Ukraine is encouraging untrained civilians to fight and be inevitably massacred.
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People are going to fight for their home.
The civilians fighting didn't ask for this.
No matter how the series of events unfolded or what the history is.. or which government is more to blame.. the civilians didn't ask for this.
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you also don't encourage untrained civilians to fight, it's suicide.
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Id rather fight as a civilian than in the military. It's more personal. On my terms. I have choices.
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We lost the war in Iraq/Afghanistan because their civilians were willing to die for their home. No other reason
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Bro, when Ukraine supplies regular untrained civilians with weapons to go and fight, when they die, those deaths are on Ukraine. You're not fighting a modern military with air superiority, you'll be sniped off in an instant without even witnessing the enemy yourself.
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Russia kills civilians who want to defend their homes.
Somehow you managed to convince your self it's Ukraine fault.
Cool story.
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.. but you believe all of the civilian blood (who pretty much all took up arms to defend their home) is on the US's hands.
How do you not realize how dumb you sound
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You contradict yourself more than anyone I've ever had a conversation with
Clear sign of low intelligence
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All of your positions come from a place of emotion , not logic or reason.
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Russia kills civilians who want to defend their homes.
Somehow you managed to convince your self it's Ukraine fault.
Cool story.
when they're being supplied the weapons from Ukraine, yes it's their fault.
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.. but you believe all of the civilian blood (who pretty much all took up arms to defend their home) is on the US's hands.
How do you not realize how dumb you sound
you think the Iraqi military was giving civilians weapons?
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You think they weren't? God you're f****** dumb.
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A wise man once said "the only argument I ever lost was with an idiot."
Your wasting your time debating with Jon.
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he logged off. i won.
tk #1.
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This is general discussion, not war2 discussion or moderated discussion, and jon shouldn't be banned for having differing opinions. And there's a lot of truth in what he's saying. No one ever got banned from this board for supporting the invasion of iraq or the invasion of libya etc. so why now?
#1: Ukraine actually is infested with nazis. They formally folded a literal Nazi battalion into their national guard. They have some nazis in elected positions. Here's a tweet from the official ukrainian national guard twitter, showing off how the nazi battalion is greasing bullets with pig lard to shoot muslim "orcs" with. Invalid Tweet ID
These are the types of people most invested in the ukrainian identity so they have always been the most fervently anti-russia. They admire a nationalist militia, the organization of ukrainian nationalists, that ethnically cleansed polish people, killing tens of thousands of women and children, and they fly their flag everywhere.
The above was actually the second time in a matter of days that Ukraine twitter account publicly advertised their Nazi allegiances. Here's one from a few days earlier, absolutely insane:
I think they are doing this deliberately to court right wing fanatics to come join the fight. It's that or the Nazis are just so prevalent that they keep leaking into tweets accidentally. With all apologies to Zelya and other Ukrainian players, your country is fucked up.
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So, Kadyrov's orcs who go to Ukraine from Chechnya to kill Ukrainians are not Nazis. But Ukrainians who are going to kill them and tell in twitter "Go home, you will not get into Paradise here" are Nazis?
Guys are you really sick?
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The official national guard account was advertising how their Nazi battalion with an SS on their uniform putting pig lard on bullets to shoot Muslims with, and calling the people "orcs." It was deleted by twitter for violating hate speech rules! It's insane to publicly advertise that you are racist Nazis, regardless of the brutality of Kadryov's unit. And then this other tweet featuring a picture of a guy just sitting on a bench: why did they feature that picture except to advertise his white supremacist fascist Rhodesia patch? Why are they screaming to the world about how big of Nazis they are? I dunno. I get that when there are literally invaders in your country, you might be pretty outraged, so I want to be understanding... there are horrors happening to your country and I am very sorry. This is still actual Nazi stuff though. Is it so widespread they can't keep it off their very own social media? Isn't that concerning?
Putin: We are going to denazify Ukraine.
The world: they are not nazis. You are a monster.
Ukraine: Check out this video :) It's our Nazi battalion doing Nazi things :thumbsup:
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Or, to make this less of a debate and more of a conversation just to learn from you and your perspective, because it's very cool to have people from all communities including Ukraine here to speak directly with, let me just ask this. Are you bothered by Azov Battalion? How do you feel about the integration of open Nazis into the national guard?
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with an SS on their uniform|
What??
This is SS:
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Euajk2BXMAAAgHQ.jpg)
This is Vagner. His guys denazify Ukraine for 8 years. Cool tattoo isn't it?
Аbout "orcs". How should I call them? Comrades? We call all the Russians "orcs" now. Because of his craze horde. I'm sorry (not really). During WW2 we also named German people not so good.
About bullet. So I should kill them only with regular bullets not to insult their religious feelings? Are you serious?!
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It's indeed a SS symbol in the Azov insignia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
Anyway fair point that Utkin is a nazi too lol. He and his group are a private military contractor and not officially part of the Russian military of course but it is fair to say that there are Nazis on both sides I suppose.
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Or, to make this less of a debate and more of a conversation just to learn from you and your perspective, because it's very cool to have people from all communities including Ukraine here to speak directly with, let me just ask this. Are you bothered by Azov Battalion? How do you feel about the integration of open Nazis into the national guard?
There was no Azov before Russian invasion. It was created to protect Donbass, after Yanokovich has destroyed Ukrainian army (for example, the minister was from Russia). And yes, they are not the ideal of tolerance. But this was a reaction on Russian invasion. War increase radicalization level everywhere. And "vile war", "hybrid war" do this much more harder.
When I was learning Lviv in Russian language school. Then a daughter of my brother was learning in Lviv Russian language school.. But I hear every day from Russians (who closed all the Ukrainian schools) that I'm fascist, and I hate Russians... Hmmm... I could start to hate. I didn't. Before this war. How you can call me Nazi. And now I'm almost that person which they wanted to see long time ago. But this is reaction on their madness.
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It's indeed a SS symbol in the Azov insignia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2nd_SS_Panzer_Division_Das_Reich
I'm not the best person in heraldry and I don't know what Azov really wanted to have, but...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfsangel
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So when is Putin going to "Denazifi" the US or any other country for that matter (including right there in Moscow, Russia). There are nazis literally EVERYWHERE. Even in this forums (Jon for example has proven to be a Nazi just by his words). I find it odd that Putin only wants to Denazifi a country that was once Russian and one that he never recognized as sovereign. The whole "denazifi" excuse is just that, an excuse.
Nazis should all be exterminated but not by invading an entire country. Nazis should be put on trial in a court of international law (it's common fact that Russian courts are just kangaroo courts), proven to be a Nazi, proven to have participated in or helped facilitate murder, and then promptly executed.
The ONLY reason Putin attacks anything is for LAND grabbing in order to re-build the former USSR geography as proven by his own hours long speech and past invasions/annexations. All other "reasons" are just excuses/lies and nothing more.
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There was no Azov before Russian invasion. It was created to protect Donbass
lol wtf
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So when is Putin going to "Denazifi" the US or any other country for that matter (including right there in Moscow, Russia). There are nazis literally EVERYWHERE. Even in this forums (Jon for example has proven to be a Nazi just by his words). I find it odd that Putin only wants to Denazifi a country that was once Russian and one that he never recognized as sovereign. The whole "denazifi" excuse is just that, an excuse.
Nazis should all be exterminated but not by invading an entire country. Nazis should be put on trial in a court of international law (it's common fact that Russian courts are just kangaroo courts), proven to be a Nazi, proven to have participated in or helped facilitate murder, and then promptly executed.
The ONLY reason Putin attacks anything is for LAND grabbing in order to re-build the former USSR geography as proven by his own hours long speech and past invasions/annexations. All other "reasons" are just excuses/lies and nothing more.
how are nazis halfway across the globe relevant, it's the nazis on his border that are the imminent threat.
and obviously no one is interested in trying these people in international court since they've been committing crimes since 2014 and being ignored by the west the entire time.
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how are nazis halfway across the globe relevant, it's the nazis on his border that are the imminent threat.
Par for the course, again you didnt read and comprehend a single word someone wrote. Nazis are EVERYWHERE, including WITHIN Russia itself, Moscow for example. Hell, even you LOL. Again, the whole Denazifi thing is just an EXCUSE, one that you're gullible enough to believe obviously.
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who gives a shit about nazis in russia, they're troglodytes with no power
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who gives a shit about nazis in russia, they're troglodytes with no power
And there we have it. Proof positive that it's an just an excuse and you know it. Thats even worse than having been gullible to believe such horseshit.
I rest my case, beatdown of Jon complete.
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Well, the Nazis are disgusting and something Putin can point to for PR during the invasion, and they are a real problem in Ukraine, but Lance is right: the real reason Russia is invading is certainly because of the geopolitics involved, not because of the Nazis. Not exactly "let's rebuild the Soviet Union, let's land grab," but more about the security of the country.
Take a look at Russia's western border below the Baltic Sea: you've got Estonia and Latvia, both members of the anti-Russian military alliance NATO along with Lithuania.
Then below that you've got Ukraine: they had a president in Yanukovic who was friendly to Russia, and then when some organic protests sprung up in western Ukraine, the West took advantage. Despite the fact that Euromaidan was primarily popular only in western Ukraine and hovered at around 45% approval in the country, the democratically elected president was deposed and replaced by people friendly to the West. The United States and other western governments were directly involved in this overthrow, and were caught on tape selecting the new leadership of Ukraine (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Nuland#Leaked_private_phone_conversation). How would you feel if Russia oversaw a revolution in Mexico and picked out the next leaders? Would the US invade Mexico? I think it would!
South of Ukraine is Belarus. The US and the rest of the West have been trying to "Guaido" Belarus, simply recognizing an alternative leader, pretending that is the actual leader, and then sanctioning the state and its people into poverty to attempt an overthrow by mass suffering. Say what you will about Lukashenko, and I do not think Belarus is a real democracy, but there is no chance that the Belarusian Guaido, Sviatlana Tsikhanouskaya, won that election, or that the west should be able to dictate to another country who their rightful leader is. But now this completes the picture of the attempt to turn Russia's full western border against them assisted by operatives and influence from the West (although it has not succeeded in Belarus, much like it has not succeeded in Venezuela at anything except increasing the suffering of the Venezuelan people).
So this is the picture we have, the geopolitical situation, with now discussions of Georgia (to the south) and Ukraine joining NATO against Russia simmering in the background, where Putin and Russia decide "enough" and to invade. Putin is not a madman, and the invasion is an entirely logical attempt to recreate a neutral buffer zone outside of Russia, from where both Napoleon and Hitler invaded their country. It is an affirmative act of aggression, it is wrong in many ways, and it causes suffering to the people in Ukraine. The Russian system is not any better than the Western one politically; there is no reason to believe a Russia-dominated world would be better than a West-dominated one. But it is an entirely logical move that Russia has made from their own perspective and for their own interests. It is a sign that the we are returning to a more multipolar world, akin to the Cold War, rather than the long US-dominated hegemonic world order. That is most likely a good thing, because it will make the exploitation of countries around the world by the United States more difficult. The clearest and most interesting thing is that China is peacefully rising and will probably become the new preeminent superpower of the world. While they are a largely capitalist country too, they are also assisting with the development of southern nations around the world on much better terms than those countries have ever gotten before.
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who gives a shit about nazis in russia, they're troglodytes with no power
And there we have it. Proof positive that it's an just an excuse and you know it. Thats even worse than having been gullible to believe such horseshit.
I rest my case, beatdown of Jon complete.
are russian nazis a threat to russia's government?
meanwhile ukranian nazis are shelling donbass region (on russia's border), seems a more imminent threat.
oh they also cut off water to Crimea when Crimeans voted to leave Ukraine.
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the invasion is for multiple reasons and ukranian nazis probably make up a small part of it. NATO is a bigger one.
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Also, there is no such thing as a leftist media, which I say just because I keep seeing Lance and TK talking about it. All the media is one media: a corporate, capitalist media that works for the rich against people-oriented programs (like Medicare For All), and follows the direction of the US State Department (which also serves the interests of capitalists and imperialism), regularly railing against official US enemies and featuring former generals calling for more arms shipments all to the military industrial complex's delight. This media has two stripes, a liberal stripe that celebrates Black Lives Matter and calls for abortion rights and so on, and a conservative stripe, pro-gun etc, that's become more and more white nationalist in recent years. This media helps keep those who still consider themselves Democrats and Republicans dutifully at odds against each other without ever examining the rich and powerful.
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Epic fake news everyone, well done to America doing a great job filling the media with disinformation. We love to see it, apparently! :thumbsup:
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@Zelya i just hope you still don't hate me or any other russians you know because of Putin's attack to Ukraine.
I can't imagine how you feel now, i just hope our talks appropriate in that situation...
What do people near you think about the future? Do they plan to fight against russian army with their guns? How they imagine chances for win or loss?
I heared Zelenskiy said Ukriane plans to attack Belarus after win against Russia, is that true? From russian side that looks like a bad joke...
Russians have no doubt Putin will win success this "operation" in near future. The main discussions here are about USA/EU sanctions against Russia, our answers for that sanctions and our future life under that sanctions...
Our medias give completely different information to russians and to ukrainians, so who can know where is truth and where is lie...
I completely understand your hatred of the invaders, but i also understand russian position based on russian "truth"...
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the real reason Russia is invading is certainly because of the geopolitics involved
While the geopolitics issue is a better "excuse" than nazis, it's still just an excuse. How do we know this? Because there was and still is a 0% chance that Ukraine would EVER be allowed to enter Nato. LOTS of countries want to join Nato, but most dont meet the requirements, those that do meet the requirements willfully choose to remain neutral (Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, Sweden and a shit ton of others). I wouldnt be surprised to see some of these countries join Nato in the very near future given Russia's recent unprovoked actions. For example, why doesnt Russia itself join Nato? Because it cant, it doesnt meet any of the 3 requirements. Ukraine is FAR from meeting such requirements. I still believe that the true reason is nothing more than Putin's own ego. He wants to recreate the former USSR geographically. Period. It really is that simple.
I will mention that should things change in Russia, there is a possibility it could join Nato itself if it ever decides to adhere to the 3 requirements. That is an opportunity that every country on the planet has if they choose to do so and are successful in meeting the requirements.
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This news precipitated the invasion
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This account called it at the time too
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The video itself is better than some news agency's opinion of what he actually said:
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This has been around since 2008 and is nothing new.
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The video itself is recent, though, and it was breaking news to those outside of NATO leadership, including in Russia!
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This is all bad news. Russian state media is running with it, reporting it the same way we did from the initial source. Once this gets out to Russian public, it’s bad news. And it already got out 20 mins ago.
Many over the years have predicted trying to admit more eastern European nations into NATO would lead to a Russian response. I linked a Guardian article from someone who had said it for years, here it is again: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1646074880 (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/feb/28/nato-expansion-war-russia-ukraine?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1646074880)
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the real reason Russia is invading is certainly because of the geopolitics involved
While the geopolitics issue is a better "excuse" than nazis, it's still just an excuse. How do we know this? Because there was and still is a 0% chance that Ukraine would EVER be allowed to enter Nato. LOTS of countries want to join Nato, but most dont meet the requirements, those that do meet the requirements willfully choose to remain neutral (Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, Sweden and a shit ton of others). I wouldnt be surprised to see some of these countries join Nato in the very near future given Russia's recent unprovoked actions. For example, why doesnt Russia itself join Nato? Because it cant, it doesnt meet any of the 3 requirements. Ukraine is FAR from meeting such requirements. I still believe that the true reason is nothing more than Putin's own ego. He wants to recreate the former USSR geographically. Period. It really is that simple.
I will mention that should things change in Russia, there is a possibility it could join Nato itself if it ever decides to adhere to the 3 requirements. That is an opportunity that every country on the planet has if they choose to do so and are successful in meeting the requirements.
From 2008 when it was announced that Ukraine and Georgia would be given NATO membership Russia made clear they considered this a line in the sand and an existential threat. In response to this NATO kept pushing it, culminating in the 2014 Maidan coup and establishment of the NATO-backed Azov regime that currently rules Ukraine.
Its been nothing but escalation from the war criminals and usurers who run the western regimes and their offer to Putin has consistently been "you'll eat shit and like it." Surprise, he didn't eat the shit!
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Putin is up for "re-election" in 2024. Will it be a fair election? Will his opponent mysteriously turn up dead? Will there even BE an opponent. Heck, will there even be an election lol.
Russia's own constitution stated that no President could server more than 2 terms (12yrs). Yet here he is, 20+yrs later still running shit. That doesnt sound suspicious AT ALL LMFAO.
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like il said, putin has his detractors in russia but his support currently sits at 75%... so yes he can win a fair election. most of his opposition is controlled token opposition too...
the rule is two consecutive terms so putin sat two terms then put his stooge medvedev at the top of the ticket for one term. it was perfectly legal and the russian public supported it since he is the first competent leader they've had since like the 80s lol.
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lol wtf
They were created in 2014, to protect Donbass. Is it so difficult to check? Ahhh... You like to write, not to read...
Do they plan to fight against russian army with their guns?
Yes we do.
How they imagine chances for win or loss?
100%.
Even if our army will loss Russia cannot control this land. I think more than 90% of Ukrainian hate Russia now. Just imagine, you are still afraid of UPA (Bandera). Now all the Ukraine will be UPA.
Or maybe you think someone from Moscow will decide which TV-channels we can watch what books we can read and what songs we can sing?
I heared Zelenskiy said Ukriane plans to attack Belarus after win against Russia, is that true?
Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il. What happened with all of you? When TV tell you "do not buy dollars, dollars will fail" you know that this is lie and buy dollars. But when TV tell you that we are going to fight with Belarus you even won't check, Crazy country.
We do everything to avoid war with Belarus. Please take into account that crazy Lukashenko allow you to attack our cities with missles. And we cannot response him. Your tanks going through Belarus and we cannot attack them on their land. The same for planes and so on.
"Military training" - yes? I think so, because Putin on TV said so.
But in any case we don;t want to fight with Belarus. We know that Belarus army is weak, but this will be thousands of killed people. We don't want any of us will be killed outside of Ukraine. We want get back our lands and build the highest well in the Wrold on border with your Mordor. You can live with any Putin you want, but don't come to us with weapon. And... Maybe from now just don't come to us at all.
The only thing we want now from Belarus : their army should not join Russian army. In this case, I think, we will be free to attack them.
How vile you are... Attack our cities from Belarus and be afraid that we want attack Belarus... F..g shit!
Russians have no doubt Putin will win success this "operation" in near future.
Yes, you were going to take Kyiv in two day. And before yesterday you had 1 soldier killed. Today 500. Do you still trust them? See above: "Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il."
The main discussions here are about USA/EU sanctions against Russia, our answers for that sanctions and our future life under that sanctions...
Sanctions... All your country is nothing now. You are kicked off all the sport organization, all the culture and scientific events.
Our medias give completely different information to russians and to ukrainians, so who can know where is truth and where is lie...
I completely understand your hatred of the invaders, but i also understand russian position based on russian "truth"...
You always "understand" all the position. So, answer me to my question.
Tomorrow you will be taken to army. What will you do? Buy doctor's note that you are sick? What if you cannot? Will take a gun and visit Lviv to kill us?
This is your "truth"?
Welcome, Il! :)
All of you are ready to die or just be nothingness. And for what? For one crazy man who thunder with nuclear weapon. Sick, crazy country.
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Yes we do.
That is sad, then many good people will die if i understand that properly from my side...
I just hope it won't come to that.
Even if our army will loss Russia cannot control this land. I think more than 90% of Ukrainian hate Russia now. Just imagine, you are still afraid of UPA (Bandera). Now all the Ukraine will be UPA.
Or maybe you think someone from Moscow will decide which TV-channels we can watch what books we can read and what songs we can sing?
Yes, i mean army here. If russian army win, they will probably set president loyal to Russia. They will not allow nuclear weapon/probably any weapon and army for Ukraine. They will not allow integration to NATO.
They will also prohibit glorification of Nazism as they understand it.
They will most likely prohibit glorification of Bandera, Hitler and others who they refer to nazists.
They will most likely prohibit calls for killing/hatred russians.
And they should let everything else stay as is.
That is how i understand things according on what i see in russian medias.
Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il. What happened with all of you?
Completely different informaion from media i think.
That was not about attack to Belarus, that's about how easy he talks about next steps after winning Russia.
Probably no one here believes that the Ukrainian army can defeat the Russian army. And Zelenskiy tells like Russian army is almost defeated...
Yes, you were going to take Kyiv in two day. And before yesterday you had 1 soldier killed. Today 500. Do you still trust them? See above: "Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il."
Partially. I think they embellish reality as happens in any war.
Also they say russians want to minimize civilian casualties, that's why they move slower than that could be possible. And now they have to move faster...
Sanctions... All your country is nothing now. You are kicked off all the sport organization, all the culture and scientific events.
Yes, looks scary a bit. Especially economic sanctions. Ruble drops down from 80 to 100 one day, government trying to hold it as possible, supply chains are being broken.
Looks like our life will be much more difficult next years...
You always "understand" all the position. So, answer me to my question.
Tomorrow you will be taken to army. What will you do? Buy doctor's note that you are sick? What if you cannot? Will take a gun and visit Lviv to kill us?
This is your "truth"?
Yes, personally i'd prefer to buy note that i'm sick or w/e like that. Not because i'm afraid, but because i don't want to kill fraternal people.
I think russians are much less patriotes than ukrainians is this situation, i mean civilians. We are not ready to die for that war.
I think russians don't see enemy in ukrainians. Russians see enemy in the forces behind ukrainians.
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Interesting question about the Military requirement. Here it's called the Draft, in other places it's called Conscription and I believe Russia's military is at least 50% conscripts, if not more. Compare that to the US where the military is 100% volunteer. Volunteers always fight harder than Conscripts.
IMO Ukraine should not have banned all males 18-60 from fleeing. They should have said if you want to run like a pussy, then run, because you'd be a waste of bullets anyway. Kind of like in War2 when you ally a noob who is a complete waste and would actually be better if they werent in the game at all because they are wasting a mine you could be using yourself.
So if Ukraine loses because it's seeing it's military conscripts surrender to easily, then that is their own doing because they had the wrong people in the military. In war you want people who actually WANT to fight, not people who are trying to find any way possible to get out of fighting. So if you take the guns and bullets away from the 10 pussies and hand it to 1 person who actually WANTS to fight, you're going to have a far more effective fighting unit. That is how the US military works and it's proven to be a very effective method.
IMO, if you cant attract volunteers to the military, then you're obviously doing something wrong and probably shouldnt have a military in the first place (such as Russia, North Korea, and China).
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Interesting question about the Military requirement. Here it's called the Draft, in other places it's called Conscription and I believe Russia's military is at least 50% conscripts, if not more. Compare that to the US where the military is 100% volunteer. Volunteers always fight harder than Conscripts. IMO Ukraine should not have banned all males 18-60 from fleeing. They should have said if you want to run like a pussy, then run, because you'd be a waste of bullets anyway. Kind of like in War2 when you ally a noob who is a complete waste and would actually be better if they werent in the game at all because they are wasting a mine you could be using yourself.
Our official media says there's no conscripts used in this operation. I'm inclined to believe, because of your arguments. Putin is not an idiot, he understands that much better than me and you. :)
Russian militaries had a very big experience last years: in Syria and many other regions.
Our medias say that russians won quickly in regions where USA waste many years and lost.
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Our official media says there's no conscripts used in this operation. I'm inclined to believe, because of your arguments.
It would make little to no sense to have a conscript unit enter into a controversial conflict. They would be looking for anyway out possible rather than fighting. I dont believe the Putin I know would have made a mistake like this, but he's getting old, maybe he did make a huge mistake.
I have seen videos of interviews with captured PoWs and based on their physical appearance, it almost looks like they are 15-18yrs old. Some of them literally look like kids. My own nephew is 22 and he looks 17ish but still, they look so young. I cant understand a single word they say in the interviews though lol. One russian kid had a bump on his forehead so large that it looked like someone cut it open and put a basketball in there. Not ALL of the PoWs looked young however. Some are clearly older, but the majority of them look about the same age as my nephew.
This is the video btw:
I saw another one today with some young kids in it here also:
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I have seen videos of interviews with captured PoWs and based on their physical appearance, it almost looks like they are 15-18yrs old.
Official russian meda says these are ukrainian fakes. :)
1. no sense to use conscripts in such operations
2. no way to be captured: warriors move together, shoulder to shoulder. If ukrainians capture russians, they could be captured together. But operation is planned very well, so no captured russians at all should be.
Also russian medias say ukrainians are masters of fake. In many areas. Like to mass-kill civilians and then make it look like russian agression.
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Interesting question about the Military requirement. Here it's called the Draft, in other places it's called Conscription and I believe Russia's military is at least 50% conscripts, if not more. Compare that to the US where the military is 100% volunteer. Volunteers always fight harder than Conscripts. IMO Ukraine should not have banned all males 18-60 from fleeing. They should have said if you want to run like a pussy, then run, because you'd be a waste of bullets anyway. Kind of like in War2 when you ally a noob who is a complete waste and would actually be better if they werent in the game at all because they are wasting a mine you could be using yourself.
Our official media says there's no conscripts used in this operation. I'm inclined to believe, because of your arguments. Putin is not an idiot, he understands that much better than me and you. :)
Russian militaries had a very big experience last years: in Syria and many other regions.
Our medias say that russians won quickly in regions where USA waste many years and lost.
The United States lost because they wanted to lose. They were not there for war or to own the country.
In the case of Afghanistan I think they just wanted the opium. American politicians were pressured to invade Afghanistan to pursue the agenda of big pharmaceutical companies.
I strongly suspect Putin will make quick work of Ukraine though. There are no hidden agendas or ulterior motives. He just wants to protect his eastern border
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Official russian meda says these are ukrainian fakes. :)
So stuff like this is fake according to the Russian media? Does anyone actually believe the media when the say these are fake? They look pretty convincing to me, heres a new one from today with the same dude that was in one from yesterday (the old guy with beard). I dont speak russian so I cant really understand what they are saying and if any of it makes any sense or not.
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So stuff like this is fake according to the Russian media? Does anyone actually believe the media when the say these are fake? They look pretty convincing to me, heres a new one from today with the same dude that was in one from yesterday (the old guy with beard). I dont speak russian so I cant really understand what they are saying and if any of it makes any sense or not.
Yes, they say such videos are fakes.
Of course looks pretty convincing, otherwise what reason to make it?
Just actors who says what they should say, why not?
I didn't see anything about these 3 guys, several more have been found on photos in a different setting.
Like the the bloody woman, "the inncent victim of russian agression" and another photo with her in the company of ukrainian nazi...
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the real reason Russia is invading is certainly because of the geopolitics involved
While the geopolitics issue is a better "excuse" than nazis, it's still just an excuse. How do we know this? Because there was and still is a 0% chance that Ukraine would EVER be allowed to enter Nato. LOTS of countries want to join Nato, but most dont meet the requirements, those that do meet the requirements willfully choose to remain neutral (Austria, Cyprus, Finland, Ireland, Malta, Sweden and a shit ton of others). I wouldnt be surprised to see some of these countries join Nato in the very near future given Russia's recent unprovoked actions. For example, why doesnt Russia itself join Nato? Because it cant, it doesnt meet any of the 3 requirements. Ukraine is FAR from meeting such requirements. I still believe that the true reason is nothing more than Putin's own ego. He wants to recreate the former USSR geographically. Period. It really is that simple.
I will mention that should things change in Russia, there is a possibility it could join Nato itself if it ever decides to adhere to the 3 requirements. That is an opportunity that every country on the planet has if they choose to do so and are successful in meeting the requirements.
basically you reject ideas that make sense instead believe unhinged conspiracies with no logical reasoning
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So while cruising the utubez I came across a bunch of "Live streams" of Kyiv and several other areas. Apperently no one informed these people that if youtubers can see it, so can the Russian special forces. There's nothing worse in war than advertising information to the enemy. Probably a good idea to get these "livestreams" put on a 6 to 12hr DELAY. Not only does this tell the enemy where you are, it also tells them where you are NOT.
Example, this one is literally in REAL time by some greece media outlet and I can see the 3 sentries guarding an intersection. They've been there since 3AM local time in the bottom left corner (the video is timestamped):
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lol wtf
They were created in 2014, to protect Donbass. Is it so difficult to check? Ahhh... You like to write, not to read...
nazis don't protect shit retard, and they have been killing people in donbass region, literal war crimes have been committed by them. and frankly i'm getting a little tired of that being ignored.
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That is sad, then many good people will die if i understand that properly from my side...
I just hope it won't come to that.
Yes. Fascists usually kill good people. But I believe that good people will kill more fascists. Or fascists will go home.
Yes, i mean army here. If russian army win, they will probably set president loyal to Russia. They will not allow nuclear weapon/probably any weapon and army for Ukraine. They will not allow integration to NATO.
They will also prohibit glorification of Nazism as they understand it.
They will most likely prohibit glorification of Bandera, Hitler and others who they refer to nazists.
They will most likely prohibit calls for killing/hatred russians.
And they should let everything else stay as is.
That is how i understand things according on what i see in russian medias.
Your loyal president will go in the same direction as Russian warship. Or you want to have one more "loyal president" in Rostov? You need ~1 mln soldiers here to control Ukraine after war.
About nuclear weapon. This is popular fake in Russia. But if you are not a poor Russian zombie (but unfortunately you are) you should check what was said in real.
Maybe you remember Budapest Memorandum(1994). Russians don't like to remember it. But in any case, Ukraine sent all our nuclear weapon to Russia and promised never have nuclear weapon. And Russia, USA and GB a promised to protect our borders. But before Munich Conference Russia occupied our territory the second time! So the message was: "Guys, we have agreement. Do something to protect us. If now we will consider that this agreement is fake. So there is no more commitments from us about nuclear weapon".
And what I can hear in your blogs? "Ukraine wants to drop nuclear bomb on Russia!". Your country is very-very sick.
Completely different informaion from media i think.
That was not about attack to Belarus, that's about how easy he talks about next steps after winning Russia.
Probably no one here believes that the Ukrainian army can defeat the Russian army. And Zelenskiy tells like Russian army is almost defeated...
No comments...
When you tried to take Kyiv in 2 days and we beat off your attack we tell "Мы побеждаем" this doesn't mean that we destroy Russian army. All of us know that this army is very huge and have powerful weapon. All of us know that we are defending and not attacking now. But we have success in our defending and we have a good chance to protect our country. And there is more than 1 Russian soldier is killed.
Partially. I think they embellish reality as happens in any war.
Also they say russians want to minimize civilian casualties, that's why they move slower than that could be possible. And now they have to move faster...
Ye... They failed with attack on Kharkiv, and now the 3rd day you are destroying this city with bombs and missiles. I know you'd like to tell "this is a fake, it wasn't shown on our TV". But later you will understand why we hate you. Or maybe will not. There is a great opportunity to close your eyes and ears and scream "nothing happens!".
In your crazy country, it's a crime now to say "No war". And you can tell about "antinazificaction" for Ukraine or what stupid terms do you use for war?
Yes, looks scary a bit. Especially economic sanctions. Ruble drops down from 80 to 100 one day, government trying to hold it as possible, supply chains are being broken.
Looks like our life will be much more difficult next years...
80...100... Is this the biggest trouble for you, Il? Now all the World hate you. You was kicked off from previous hoster because you are Russian. Russians are being kicked off everywhere today. You will live with a shame for years. I cannot imagine this... Now I feel support from all the countries. Our customers tell us: do anything you can for your country, we will pay you as usual. There is free transport in Europe for anybody with Ukrainian passport. Podolyaka will tell you "China and Idia support Russia". Could you tell me what support do you have from them. Instead of TV news messages "China support us" :)
This is the result of voting against Russian invasion in UN:
You have very good company: occupied Syria and Belarus, Kim Chen Un and Eritrea (what?).
Yes, personally i'd prefer to buy note that i'm sick or w/e like that. Not because i'm afraid, but because i don't want to kill fraternal people.
You'd prefer, but not Putin. Putin have lost one soldier and he should take more and more. I don't know what will happen, but this is realistic scenario that you can be taken to the army without possibility to pay off.
And our tolerant Il will take a gun and go to Lviv to shoot in me, BatDev and other guys. Why? Because I kill Russians for 30 years. It was said on TV.
I think russians are much less patriotes than ukrainians is this situation, i mean civilians.
Because you are invaders! You will be a patriot when you defend your home from the Kadyrov's orcish hordes.
We are not ready to die for that war.
But you will.
I think russians don't see enemy in ukrainians. Russians see enemy in the forces behind ukrainians.
Yes, Russia love all the neighbors. And love is such big that all the neighbors hate Russia now. Georgia, Moldova, Baltic states. You think people in Belarus love you? They will spit in your back as soon as Lukashevko will be removed. And you will wonder "Why?! We did everything for them! We considered them as a brothers! Maybe they are Nazis too!". You make all of countries around you "Nazis".
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Your loyal president will go in the same direction as Russian warship. Or you want to have one more "loyal president" in Rostov? You need ~1 mln soldiers here to control Ukraine after war.
I definitely have no idea how he plan to do what he declared. I just hope he has a good plan.
I don't think he plan to use 1 mln soldiers to keep Ukraine. I also don't think he plan to kill civilians.
When you tried to take Kyiv in 2 days and we beat off your attack we tell "Мы побеждаем" this doesn't mean that we destroy Russian army. All of us know that this army is very huge and have powerful weapon. All of us know that we are defending and not attacking now. But we have success in our defending and we have a good chance to protect our country. And there is more than 1 Russian soldier is killed.
I agree then. You beat off the attack. You will beat off more attacks. But russian army will not stop.
The stakes are too high for Russia in this global confrontation.
Even if Ukraine join NATO (though i don't trust that will happen), Putin won't stop. It is a question of preserving Russia's place in this world for him.
Ye... They failed with attack on Kharkiv, and now the 3rd day you are destroying this city with bombs and missiles. I know you'd like to tell "this is a fake, it wasn't shown on our TV". But later you will understand why we hate you. Or maybe will not. There is a great opportunity to close your eyes and ears and scream "nothing happens!".
In your crazy country, it's a crime now to say "No war". And you can tell about "antinazificaction" for Ukraine or what stupid terms do you use for war?
Yes, looks like firstly they planned to not kill people at all. Only destroy military infrastructure. Now they began to kill people, more and more. I think everybody understand that will increase hatred from ukrainian side...
80...100... Is this the biggest trouble for you, Il? Now all the World hate you. You was kicked off from previous hoster because you are Russian. Russians are being kicked off everywhere today. You will live with a shame for years. I cannot imagine this... Now I feel support from all the countries. Our customers tell us: do anything you can for your country, we will pay you as usual. There is free transport in Europe for anybody with Ukrainian passport. Podolyaka will tell you "China and Idia support Russia". Could you tell me what support do you have from them. Instead of TV news messages "China support us" :)
This is the result of voting against Russian invasion in UN:
Our medias say us USA have a great influence to other countries, everybody vote as USA tell them to vote.
USA showed their power in Lybia, Syria, Iraq, Afganistan, etc. Other countries are small and weak, so they are being afraind to talk against USA.
If you disagree with USA, you will have an orange revolution on your territory. If you disagree with Russia, you will have nothing.
Votes in most political institutions followed the same way last years: USA and all the countries loyal to USA have similar voices. Most likely against Russia or China.
Most likely Russia have opposite voice, China abstains. Or China have opposite voice, Russia abstains. Traditions in modern politics...
You'd prefer, but not Putin. Putin have lost one soldier and he should take more and more. I don't know what will happen, but this is realistic scenario that you can be taken to the army without possibility to pay off.
And our tolerant Il will take a gun and go to Lviv to shoot in me, BatDev and other guys. Why? Because I kill Russians for 30 years. It was said on TV.
I don't envy Putin is this situation. Now that looks like a very unpopular decision with some tactical mistakes... I have no idea about strategy, so no arguments from me about that...
I think russians just have to trust Putin: looks like in previous "operations" he knew what to do:
Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea, Syria and so on. Russia won in all these operations.
I just hope he knows what to do. He have 20 years experience of different "military operations". And i hope he will not send me to kill you, or something like that...
Because you are invaders! You will be a patriot when you defend your home from the Kadyrov's orcish hordes.
100% agree. Russians have absolutely different feeling of the reality. You were going to protect your home from russian invaders last 8 years and maybe many years before.
Russians didn't think about to protect their home or even about war at all...
Yes, Russia love all the neighbors. And love is such big that all the neighbors hate Russia now. Georgia, Moldova, Baltic states. You think people in Belarus love you? They will spit in your back as soon as Lukashevko will be removed. And you will wonder "Why?! We did everything for them! We considered them as a brothers! Maybe they are Nazis too!". You make all of countries around you "Nazis".
I think you right, people from these countries don't like russians.
Our medias tell us they have pro-west govermnemts, that's why they have pro-west medias, who cultivate hatred against russia for years.
USSR lost in Cold War, West used russians weakness to grow up anti-russian regimes in most countries. They are much better masters of propaganda than russians.
That is the question with no answer, where is the truth...
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I think you right, people from these countries don't like russians.
Our medias tell us they have pro-west govermnemts, that's why they have pro-west medias, who cultivate hatred against russia for years.
USSR lost in Cold War, West used russians weakness to grow up anti-russian regimes in most countries. They are much better masters of propaganda than russians.
That is the question with no answer, where is the truth...
Actually I have a different opinion about this. In 1991 there was SERIOUS hope here in the US that Russia would finally become a Democratic Free Market similar to all other Nato countries. For like 10 yrs, I myself and many around me considered Russia to be an ALLY, not an adversary like I do today and have ever since the change to the Russian Constitution in regards to presidential term limits. That for me was the proof that Russia was not going to be an ally :/ I do not ever want to be allies with a dictatatorship. Ever. For any reason and that's exactly what Russia has at the moment. Same with China, North Korea and all the other countries that didnt vote to condemn Russia's attack on Ukraine. What do they all have in common? They are all DICTATORSHIP countries. No one gets "fairly" elected for 50 years STRAIGHT. That's just absurd. We see that here in our on Congress, corruption and lies are what keeps getting them re-elected. Not fair, truthful elections.
Any hopes that Russia would become democratic all went to shit when it became clear that Putin was asserting himself as a dictator rather than a freely elected official by changing the country's constitution to ignore his previous 2 terms and allow him even more terms that would last long enough that he'd probably be dead by the time they are up (in 2024 he will be like 74yrs old which is older than most males live in Russia). If a president here in the US did that, there would literally be civil war EVERYWHERE in the US. No matter how good a president is, the get a MAX of 2 4yr terms and that's it. It would have been AWESOME if Reagan could have gone longer, but it would have broken the democratic process and thus he had to leave.
The US isnt perfect. Our own Congress does NOT have term limits and it's destroying the US from the inside out. Much like Putin is doing to Russia. Term limits are good, no matter what the situation is. In a few years or decades, the world may not even have a US if the current situation continues where politicians become careers instead of short Public Service jobs like they should be. No politician should be in any office longer than maybe 8 years. Otherwise, all you have left are a bunch of career politicians who are MASSIVELY corrupt. Every year I always sign a petition to add term limits to congressional seats. Every year, it gets defeated (for obvious reasons, career politicians wont vote for it). This is why Trump was good for not only the US, but the entire world. He was not a career politician like the GARBAGE we have sitting in office now (Biden). He was unpredictable, his only flaw was that he wasnt a good public speaker. Why? Because he's not a career politician, career politicians have DECADES to practice the art of LYING and getting away with it, Trump was a TERRIBLE at telling lies so he usually just spoke the truth and people couldnt handle the truth because they are so use to being lied to and told only what they want to hear, not what the NEED to hear. That's what governments need. When people are predictable, they are easier to corrupt.
For the record iL, dont sell yourself short. Putin doesnt always know whats best. You'd make a better Russian president than he because you're not corrupted by the power. YET. And with term limits, corruption gets routed out automatically by the system itself. Lets see iL on the 2024 ballot for Russian President :) You'd have my vote.... well, maybe not. I cant vote there lol.
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Any hopes that Russia would become democratic all went to shit when it became clear that Putin was asserting himself as a dictator rather than a freely elected official by changing the country's constitution to ignore his previous 2 terms and allow him even more terms that would last long enough that he'd probably be dead by the time they are up (in 2024 he will be like 74yrs old which is older than most males live in Russia).
Well, just a remark:
Putin never changed constitution to make more terms for himself. He changed it for some different purposes, not for his own power. He have been president 2 * 4 years, then he got away. In strict accordance with the law. After Medvedev came, deputates (not Putin) changed constitution to let increase term to 6 years instead of 4.
Everybody understand they did it for Putin, to give him more time, but that was not Putin. (Of course they could do that at his implicit request, who knows?)
But Putin always gave the impression of a very modest person.
BTW: i don't agree with your position about time of power and corruption. It depends on person.
West medias try to find palaces, yachts and foreign villas of Putin. They try to find billion dollars of Putin. But they can't find that. Why?
Because Putin doesn't need that. His life belongs to Russia. He just have no time to have a rest. We see him on TV almost every day. He have conversations with idiots for many hours in a row. Right after that he sets tasks to ministers, talk to people. He can find time to work out top-secret operations and hypersound weapon. He just have no time to create the appearance of a beautiful life.
For example: in 2008 Medvedev came intead of Putin. And what? He lost Lybia! Some russians say that's Medvedev fault. Putin saved Syria and other countries, but Medvedev failed that. I think russians would prefer Putin to be a President all the 24 years, without pauses. But Putin followed constitution.
Another example is USA:
Who is your leader now? Democrates nominated Biden, but does he have a real power? He is menthal sick, he confuses a grandson with a great- granddaughter and Ukraine with Iran. Last time they almost dragged through Hillary Clinton, who is she in politics? Nodoby. These are just talking heads that voice someone's decisions.
What about the changeability of those who make these decisions?
Nobody even knows them, and changing the talking head is not a problem for them at all. Every 4 years or faster.
Putin is a person, he is very well versed in what he does and has a lot of experience.
I think people would be happy to have that kind of power for as long as possible.
For the record iL, dont sell yourself short. Putin doesnt always know whats best. You'd make a better Russian president than he because you're not corrupted by the power. YET. And with term limits, corruption gets routed out automatically by the system itself. Lets see iL on the 2024 ballot for Russian President :) You'd have my vote.... well, maybe not. I cant vote there lol.
Oh, thanks you, but you flatter me. I do nothing even on here, in our community, Russia would be ruined very quickly that way :)
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For example: in 2008 Medvedev came intead of Putin. And what? He lost Lybia! Some russians say that's Medvedev fault. Putin saved Syria and other countries, but Medvedev failed that. I think russians would prefer Putin to be a President all the 24 years, without pauses. But Putin followed constitution.
I think a little unfair to blame Medvedev for that since Putin was still PM and very much involved. I think they got taken by surprise by Libya (they thought the no fly zone would just be used to keep the peace, not to bomb Gaddafi and overthrow the government). Russia learned their lesson and vowed not to let the same thing happen again in Syria after that.
But Syria was still not a total success for Russia... the devil Americans act quick and got their hooks into eastern Syria. They've conquered it and are still there today, cutting the government off from much oil and food with collaboration from the Kurds. Plus Turkey has encroached down from the north. And then there are the Caesar sanctions the US has implemented against Syria to keep the people starving as well... same thing like in Afghanistan when the Americans finally lost and left, they stole all the money from the Afghan bank and put sanctions against the ruling Taliban government. Do they report this in Russia? They sure don't report it here in USA.
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Hilariously I actually watched on PBS a full report on famine Afghanistan a month or two ago. The reporters were very sad and interviewed a lot of suffering people. Then they just said, well, this is life under the Taliban, what a shame. They did not even mention the theft of Afghanistan's money or the sanctions despite doing a report on the poverty.
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Hilariously I actually watched on PBS a full report on famine Afghanistan a month or two ago. The reporters were very sad and interviewed a lot of suffering people. Then they just said, well, this is life under the Taliban, what a shame. They did not even mention the theft of Afghanistan's money or the sanctions despite doing a report on the poverty.
reminder u.s lost to the taliban, punished afghanistan by withholding afghan money. even afghan youtubers are also demonetized.
reminds me of the haitian revolution, where bourgeois states punished haiti economically after getting booted out.