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General => Gold Mine => Topic started by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 18, 2020, 03:41:44 AM

Title: wc2 utube channel
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on November 18, 2020, 03:41:44 AM
? says no videos? did someone delete those hundreds of games? huge blow to our history if someone has
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Szwagier on November 18, 2020, 04:14:54 AM
? says no videos? did someone delete those hundreds of games? huge blow to our history if someone has
Xurnt did it
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 07:01:31 AM
Yup it was bound to happen, that is why I did not want to upload there anymore ::).

One place for everything was a terrible idea because there is always a guy in charge and that guy if he goes crazy or mad or is pissed about something he can do this type of things whenever he feels like it.

Better all have our own channels with our own videos and having them all linked somewhere than risking loosing it all like this on a petty move.
That way if someone wants to quit or be mad we loose that guy's videos nothing more its just a matter of removing a link from a list.

Also it is more logical that we let people that make the videos handle them its their stuff afterall, and viewers can directly pick the channels/uploader they like best, that way without having to go through a mega list of videos from guys they dont really enjoy watching anyways.

Lets start making a list, who has youtube channels dedicated to war2 they know about here?

Here some I gathered so far:

Justin = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkAWbPstBM_JpuXM2klhYOA (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkAWbPstBM_JpuXM2klhYOA)
Szwagier = http://www.youtube.com/user/SzwagierR (http://www.youtube.com/user/SzwagierR)
TK = http://www.youtube.com/user/ClanAbsoluteSynergy (http://www.youtube.com/user/ClanAbsoluteSynergy)
Cel = http://www.youtube.com/user/Trogallart (http://www.youtube.com/user/Trogallart)
Fuckluck = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCErw4YiwbluYfr8HUVLTcHg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCErw4YiwbluYfr8HUVLTcHg)
Frostbitten = http://www.youtube.com/user/FrostbittenWarcraft (http://www.youtube.com/user/FrostbittenWarcraft)
KagaN = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw)
Rogwolod = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q)
Claw = http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss (http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss)
g3mini = http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo (http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo)
DAR = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q)
Oragorn = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ)
Nik5et = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg)
Mistral = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A)
ViTy = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw)
RagneR = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g)
Zelya = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA)
Ritalin- = http://www.youtube.com/user/RitalinWC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RitalinWC2)
Smeagol = http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988)
Nedro? = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLONzNHn6PPHNqw9xU8_bvQ (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLONzNHn6PPHNqw9xU8_bvQ)
Mousey if ever she comes back </3 : http://www.youtube.com/user/mousetopherX (http://www.youtube.com/user/mousetopherX)

There are more but I dont necessarily know who they belong to  :slight_smile:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 18, 2020, 07:06:20 AM
Yes it’s ok.

We can start making a new youtube channel. There are plenty of replays on the forums and we can host tournaments TK upload.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Oragorn on November 18, 2020, 07:15:18 AM
For reference:
KagaN = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw)
Rogwolod = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q)
Claw = http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss (http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss)
g3mini = http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo (http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo)
DAR = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q)
Oragorn = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ)
Nik5et = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg)
Mistral = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A)
ViTy = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw)
RagneR = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g)
Zelya = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA)
IDK = http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu6pjdanO7WXjorCnadvFCg (http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu6pjdanO7WXjorCnadvFCg)
...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 07:30:48 AM
Good to know yeah we should have a list on the server of all these channels I updated my list to include them :beam:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: tk[as] on November 18, 2020, 12:19:26 PM
Burnt on a mission to kill war2.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 18, 2020, 12:28:33 PM
Well Xurnt claims that he “built war2 and therefore has the right to kill war2.”
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 18, 2020, 12:29:35 PM
Better all have our own channels with our own videos and having them all linked somewhere than risking loosing it all like this on a petty move.
I don't think this is better at all.  It is great for there to be a big War2 channel full of good War2 vids instead of all videos being spread around between 10 different people's pages.  Maybe these people will give someone permission to repost their videos on a new big War2 video page, that way they're all available together but nobody can erase them from the internet by themselves.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: xXxSmeagolxXx on November 18, 2020, 05:34:17 PM
Here's my YouTube with PBall games and PBall tournament replays. I haven't updated it in a few years. http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988 (http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 18, 2020, 07:01:33 PM
I removed all the youtube, not Xurnt. He put one video on private and I deleted it to let him know he's gotta mean business. He isn't asking for money, but I am asking for him. I don't care who sends him money or how much, but someone needs to step up. If you want to buy in now is the time. Money won't be an issue next week. We need to pay for the last war2festival before we get another one. He knows I will never be for the removal of tk, so deleting is the preferable option to me. I will start with all of mine.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 18, 2020, 07:12:40 PM
The last war2festival costed him 1200. I'm sure it will take much less than that to show him we care and respect his contributions. He is taking a break from the forums so I will try to work to smooth the issue over. It is not beyond repair, as il could put all videos on public whenever he wants. Xurnt is still admin and I'm not asking for people not to argue, only that we all bear some of the burden that he has bore before. I have always supported war2.usa and would like a general forgiveness of all, but one issue at a time i suppose.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 08:19:27 PM
These videos are not worth keeping if someone is going to use them as bargaining chips to prevent admins from doing their jobs.
If this server is to grow past 80 active users it cannot afford the mess it just makes everytime.
Imagine we actually succeed in making war2 great again, and have a lot of users come back to this...

Can you imagine Blizzard having a good look at that mess of a forum and think war2.ru did a decent job?
Do you believe they would see RU is a respectable community enough that we can be part of the future of war2 if there is to be any?

Nope we have to come clean to some extent, and it has to start somewhere:
1) Having a forum that actually can be normally moderated without people going mad and going all over the board to have it their way when an admin tries to enforce some kind of order.
2) Adopting forum rules that reflect the will of the server to adapt to Blizzard's brand and own policies. They have a lot of good rules I say we adopt all the ones that can be applied to us. Obviously the whole not reveal unreleased content for a 25 years old game does not make a lot of sense but for the most part the rest totally does we should be able to do that to the extent that we can...

Then hosting our tournaments and all that would makes a lot more sense, because the community wont look half as bad anymore.
There is litterally no forum anywhere that is so hard to moderate and there is no reason war2 cannot have a better place just because a few are ready to act this way...
And you say we have to send him money for him to stop acting like this? And how do you know he wont just snap again at this point and on who or what?

I mean I wasn't totally against it before, I actually would even have been willing to help.
But after all that  :poo: played out the way it did, it just makes no sense anymore at least to me.
Look at what Xurnt said and the length he was willing to go, and you want to give him even more stuff to break and bargain with the next time he snapps?
Xurnt through his actions and words obviously has shown he is not reasonable at this point I am sorry...

I like you Justin as a person you are a fun guy, but I cannot trust Xurnt with anything at this point, he is completely unstable at least from my perspective right now...

As for USA from what I know people here never held anything against them they are the ones that said we are not respecable and probably they were right at least for the way that forum was handled. If we want them back maybe we have to change how things are done here to some extent. That is how we get them back :)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: baRa on November 18, 2020, 09:12:52 PM
Wait so Burnt is asking for money? For what?

I'm willing to help a brother out, just send me some of his info like current residential address, employer information, and SIN number. That's it.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Nox on November 18, 2020, 09:17:41 PM
Can you trust peoples who blackmail me with my own father?

Someone from Poland directly log on war2usa and created the account John56.

John is the name of my father and 56 hes born of years.

John 1956.

Today i have speak with someone in my family who work with the police, he told me to not worry even if you guys hide the other side of the sea, because if anything happen to me or any member of my family by any kind of way.

He gonna straight up goes to Interpol himself and make it start an investigation about this forum and this server.

I dint give him any informations yet about the forum, website or the peoples i tought do this, because if i will, he will already be on that case, if you think im nuts, you never seen that guy.

I tell you one last time, do ur shitty buisneess i dont cares, play and have fun i dont cares, but forgot me and my family.

I dont want to be relate to this server and forum anymore, you delete my account and all my posts as fast as you can and you leave my family alone.

That way everyone would be winner, nobody see my posts and you can keep doing what you do without me,  i move from here.

I got something else to do in my life, being chase by a bunch of crazy peoples is not in my priority.

I taked SS from important discussion on the forum before you delete my account, as a proof, i got the website, the forum and a list of 20 persons i believe it deserve a search on them.

Something happen to my family, our personal informations or whatever it is, and i swear to god im gonna do everything in my power to find you back.

Leave my family alone.

(https://i.imgur.com/sCGhcqu.jpg)









Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 09:26:29 PM
See this ^ is the reason why we need some rules around here. It has to stop...
Next time he will see his name on a souvenir he will loose it and come posting here again or call the police. :rofl:
Have you even talked to the guy?
Do we even know who that john is? I am pretty sure it is just kintel and his many other john nicknames. You do know ring62 / kintel has many many john accounts right? like johnt on RU that he played under last week  :rofl:  :sweat:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Nox on November 18, 2020, 09:41:15 PM
Let's hope you are right and nothing happen, because if something happen, you will laugh less.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 09:53:37 PM
I will look into it @Delete ME NOW! next time I see ring I will ask him if that is one of his aka I am pretty sure it is :slight_smile:  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Nox on November 18, 2020, 10:08:31 PM
You think Ring have time to smurf on a server where 10 peoples play and act that way?

Ring use hes real account on war2usa and he is friend with those peoples, he play with them everynight, nobody smurf on that server.

This is a straight up blackmaling to me.

Even if someone was smurfing, what are the chance that someone create the real name and the real years born of my father?

(https://i.imgur.com/yplgicW.png)

'' Il write to my grandson ''

Have fun, im out of here.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 18, 2020, 10:23:33 PM
Ring62 is a very very active player of the USA server he plays with Tofu all the time and with Lordvaras too there you can ask Babyshark about him. And Shepherd is the one that told me he has a billion John accounts so you can ask him to I think he plays over there too. Shepherd is the one that said to me on stream two weeks ago that Johnt was probably ring because he has many john accounts and we laughed about it because I already had guessed it was him.

On a sidenote I do know ring did argue with you two weeks ago because he said you were stupid or something like that in war2bne chat I dont remember what you guys were arguing about back then but that did happen. I know because I was about to host the next game and he was talking shit in chat and I had to PM him to join my game lol.

At the same time he is known to smurf all the time and loves trolling people so maybe its him right now I wouldn't be able to tell from here.

Like I said I will ask him because I think he will tell me if it is him he usually comes clean.
And if it is not maybe its just another dude so long as he does not directly harras you I wouldn't loose any sleep over it.

Like I said before, no one is going to go that far just to scare you over a disagreement on a freaking game.
Even if there was some kind of big ass conspiracy like you seem to believe there is, it wouldn't make any sense either.  ::)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Harrywangs on November 18, 2020, 11:52:19 PM
I am 100% for forum moderation. Cel, I liked a lot of what I read about what you posted over from the SC one or whatever it is. Other games just don't have so few people on the forums, which I think creates problems, and I think a lot of people read these forums but don't respond (from some ppl I know). Chaos is not productive.

Every single thread gets off topic and typically turns into an argument. Look at this one... It turns into the same arguments and problems everyone has had for the last 20 years, of which I couldn't give 2 shits about tbh. Let's move forward because revisiting the past seems to have never got us anywhere.

I'm confused, Burnt wants money (but won't ask or mention it?) from a tourney from 2+ years ago? I don't recall him asking for donations back then either. This is the first I'm ever hearing about it. I don't know why we would give him one cent for anything at this point. He has pretty much burned (no pun intended) all of his bridges at this point. Sad thing is, I'm pretty sure everyone thinks that is a shame, as we all liked the old Burnt.

Justin does good replay commentary (well, funny at least) but aside from that, for the most part, he's a troll and an asshole in my humble opinion. Maybe I just don't know him very well and I'll admit, I don't. Nor do I know his akas necessarily or what else he does for the server.

But from what I've seen, this just further proves it. Keep your replays, we'll make more. New people don't know who any of those other people are in the first place. If the old people want to watch a replay and they don't log on either way, how does that help us? It's just nostalgia, which is nice and fun, don't get me wrong, but using it as leverage, is just a sign of poor character. I like how you don't even want to bring the topic up and/or discuss it first? You thought it would be best to just hold replays as ransom. Then you expect for everything to be all hunky dory after that? What a guy.... What a leader... What a person.....

This is your way of taking initiative for Burnt and you thought this was going to be successful? Let me guess, we send it to your personal account and then once you have collected it all (with the exact amount of "bear some of the burden" requested ROFL), you will give it to Burnt? On top of that, why would we also contribute to someone who just left the server to bring everyone else to the new one while calling himself retarded? Makes no sense.

Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 19, 2020, 12:54:11 AM
The money is for his time to host another war2festival. We are looking for pledges for a prize pool to be collected at the time of the tourney, but I think a hundred dollars upfront is not to much considering the amount of work to be put in. The videos are a separate issue, but I think it wouldn't be if he were on board with another war2festival. I will not be the one deleting anything he might later regret, so if he wants videos to be deleted, mine are the only ones I can in good conscious delete. To be honest they mean next to nothing to me and I would rather them go than any other.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Shotgun on November 19, 2020, 04:28:44 AM
lol this retard has lost his mind
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 19, 2020, 04:30:32 AM
The last war2festival costed him 1200. I'm sure it will take much less than that to show him we care and respect his contributions. He is taking a break from the forums so I will try to work to smooth the issue over. It is not beyond repair, as il could put all videos on public whenever he wants. Xurnt is still admin and I'm not asking for people not to argue, only that we all bear some of the burden that he has bore before. I have always supported war2.usa and would like a general forgiveness of all, but one issue at a time i suppose.

Is Xurnt having money problems? If so he can man up and let us know himself. I'm sure many in the community would be fine with helping him out.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 19, 2020, 04:33:20 AM
The money is for his time to host another war2festival. We are looking for pledges for a prize pool to be collected at the time of the tourney, but I think a hundred dollars upfront is not to much considering the amount of work to be put in. The videos are a separate issue, but I think it wouldn't be if he were on board with another war2festival. I will not be the one deleting anything he might later regret, so if he wants videos to be deleted, mine are the only ones I can in good conscious delete. To be honest they mean next to nothing to me and I would rather them go than any other.

This rational makes no sense at all.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Oragorn on November 19, 2020, 05:28:52 AM
Have fun, im out of here.
I alone do not understand what does the war2ru server have to do with it? "john56" is on the war2usa server. what have we to do with it?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 19, 2020, 05:56:19 AM
Instead of having war2 cost him time and money, I think it would be prudent for him to be paid for his services. As far as I can tell, the whole dispute seems like it could have been adverted if you both were kinder to each other on this forum. I really enjoy gaming with you tora, and I consider both tk and burnt to be very good friends. We all want to see another war2festival, and I personally would really like a solution that leaves no one unhappy. Burnt is still admin of war2, and il, tk, babyshark, fuckluck and day am are still admins of his youtube. I think it would be better to condemn me instead of him for my proposing he receive money for his services.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Shotgun on November 19, 2020, 06:47:15 AM
Burnt has lost his marbles. You should have all listened to everything I had said in the past 5 or so years about banning people from these forums. The admins of these forums are just as retarded as burnt. Lots of sad human beings that lurk here now.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 19, 2020, 07:07:48 AM
Sad thing in all this situation is Xurnt doesn't have intentions to resolve questions together.
He came here and became to demand, threateningб blackmailing he will delete, get out etc.
That is not how we can achieve success in any good case.

I apreciate Xurnt and i like him, he is a great guy and a great leader, maybe the best of us.
But that is not the way.
Our team of admins gathered for years. All these years we discussed all our decisions together, developed the rules to be optimal for community, discussed them publicly, follow them.
And now one of us (even the best of us, our leader) comes here, demands to demote the whole team as they just try to making their job.
Maybe sometimes they do something wrong, they can be biased of make mistakes (as any living person), but they make their job.

If you disagree with them, let's discuss! Let's talk together with them, explain your positions.
I'm not about i agree with Tora to ban Equinox for 1 day, but i at least absolutely understand that desicion.
Equinox became toxic, all his messages last months came down to "that shitty hacking admins made hackish server", etc. Though most adequate persons disagree with him. So, Equinox, if you don't like people, don't trust them, why you stay here for months, making toxic atmosphere on forums? That is harmful for the community as every newcomer on the forum see these pieces of trash.
Equinox, just go anywhere else, far from these "hacking admins" and enjoy being there!
I think, that logic looks quite rationally, Could be a reason to discuss, but not to blame Tora and demand his demotion.

justinschmidt, I apreciate you and everything you do for community, I also apreciate your position and respect your friendship with Xurnt, I'd also be glad to be a friend of Xurnt, but i have to say to Xurnt and everyone else:
blackmail, threats is the worst way to act. It will never help us to achieve success.

Feel free to delete your videos if you think you should do that.
Though that will not make anybody happy: neighter you, not any other people.
And that will not help anybody to reach the goal.

I'd even say these videos belongs to community, not to you olny, as that were lots games of other players who probably don't want their games to be deleted, but that is between you and them.

Also, we have to make new youtube channel (probably belongs to me) to collect all the videocontent together, to promote war2 on the new BIG channel.
I can promise, i never delete content belongs to not me but other people.
I think our task as war2ru admins is to keep the history and make it available for next generations.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Shotgun on November 19, 2020, 07:12:27 AM
Sad thing in all this situation is Xurnt doesn't have intentions to resolve questions together.
He came here and became to demand, threateningб blackmailing he will delete, get out etc.
That is not how we can achieve success in any good case.

I apreciate Xurnt and i like him, he is a great guy and a great leader, maybe the best of us.
But that is not the way.
Our team of admins gathered for years. All these years we discussed all our decisions together, developed the rules to be optimal for community, discussed them publicly, follow them.
And now one of us (even the best of us, our leader) comes here, demands to demote the whole team as they just try to making their job.
Maybe sometimes they do something wrong, they can be biased of make mistakes (as any living person), but they make their job.

If you disagree with them, let's discuss! Let's talk together with them, explain your positions.
I'm not about i agree with Tora to ban Equinox for 1 day, but i at least absolutely understand that desicion.
Equinox became toxic, all his messages last months came down to "that shitty hacking admins made hackish server", etc. Though most adequate persons disagree with him. So, Equinox, if you don't like people, don't trust them, why you stay here for months, making toxic atmosphere on forums? That is harmful for the community as every newcomer on the forum see these pieces of trash.
Equinox, just go anywhere else, far from these "hacking admins" and enjoy being there!
I think, that logic looks quite rationally, Could be a reason to discuss, but not to blame Tora and demand his demotion.

justinschmidt, I apreciate you and everything you do for community, I also apreciate your position and respect your friendship with Xurnt, I'd also be glad to be a friend of Xurnt, but i have to say to Xurnt and everyone else:
blackmail, threats is the worst way to act. It will never help us to achieve success.

Feel free to delete your videos if you think you should do that.
Though that will not make anybody happy: neighter you, not any other people.
And that will not help anybody to reach the goal.

I'd even say these videos belongs to community, not to you olny, as that were lots games of other players who probably don't want their games to be deleted, but that is between you and them.

Also, we have to make new youtube channel (probably belongs to me) to collect all the videocontent together, to promote war2 on the new BIG channel.
I can promise, i never delete content belongs to not me but other people.
I think our task as war2ru admins is to keep the history and make it available for next generations.

There's not really much discussion that needs to take place. When those snowflakes originally made war2.usa they attacked our server for weeks and you didn't even ban them from the forum, they're still here, and you don't ban them. The fact is none of the admin of this forum have any leadership at all, let alone burnt. If you want proof, look at the pile of dribbling shit it's turned into. Hardly anyone even comes here anymore because every thread contains a retard talking about some war2 unrelated drama
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 19, 2020, 07:20:47 AM
Sad thing in all this situation is Xurnt doesn't have intentions to resolve questions together.
He came here and became to demand, threateningб blackmailing he will delete, get out etc.
That is not how we can achieve success in any good case.

I apreciate Xurnt and i like him, he is a great guy and a great leader, maybe the best of us.
But that is not the way.
Our team of admins gathered for years. All these years we discussed all our decisions together, developed the rules to be optimal for community, discussed them publicly, follow them.
And now one of us (even the best of us, our leader) comes here, demands to demote the whole team as they just try to making their job.
Maybe sometimes they do something wrong, they can be biased of make mistakes (as any living person), but they make their job.

If you disagree with them, let's discuss! Let's talk together with them, explain your positions.
I'm not about i agree with Tora to ban Equinox for 1 day, but i at least absolutely understand that desicion.
Equinox became toxic, all his messages last months came down to "that shitty hacking admins made hackish server", etc. Though most adequate persons disagree with him. So, Equinox, if you don't like people, don't trust them, why you stay here for months, making toxic atmosphere on forums? That is harmful for the community as every newcomer on the forum see these pieces of trash.
Equinox, just go anywhere else, far from these "hacking admins" and enjoy being there!
I think, that logic looks quite rationally, Could be a reason to discuss, but not to blame Tora and demand his demotion.

justinschmidt, I apreciate you and everything you do for community, I also apreciate your position and respect your friendship with Xurnt, I'd also be glad to be a friend of Xurnt, but i have to say to Xurnt and everyone else:
blackmail, threats is the worst way to act. It will never help us to achieve success.

Feel free to delete your videos if you think you should do that.
Though that will not make anybody happy: neighter you, not any other people.
And that will not help anybody to reach the goal.

I'd even say these videos belongs to community, not to you olny, as that were lots games of other players who probably don't want their games to be deleted, but that is between you and them.

Also, we have to make new youtube channel (probably belongs to me) to collect all the videocontent together, to promote war2 on the new BIG channel.
I can promise, i never delete content belongs to not me but other people.
I think our task as war2ru admins is to keep the history and make it available for next generations.

There's not really much discussion that needs to take place. When those snowflakes originally made war2.usa they attacked our server for weeks and you didn't even ban them from the forum, they're still here, and you don't ban them. The fact is none of the admin of this forum have any leadership at all, let alone burnt. If you want proof, look at the pile of dribbling shit it's turned into. Hardly anyone even comes here anymore because every thread contains a retard talking about some war2 unrelated drama

Agree, that is what we going to work on soon,
removing the toxicity with Equinox would be a good first step. It's a good moment to BIG changes now!
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Shotgun on November 19, 2020, 07:24:37 AM
Granted how many users have been lost due to inaction, it maybe too little too late to be honest
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 19, 2020, 09:27:05 AM
May as well try it...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Harrywangs on November 19, 2020, 10:55:00 AM
I don't think it's too late in the long term. Short term, it will take some time, yeah. If we actually have set moderation rules, as Cel mentioned, and stick to them, then I think, in time, when people hear or do happen to check it out, maybe they would come back and/or spread the word. If not, at least whoever is left can talk about things and be productive on here.

Justin you said it was for last tourney and now you say the money is for an upcoming one he might host? You just said $100 would motivate him when he spent $1,200 last time? But initially you said "We need to pay for the last war2festival before we get another one."

Sounds like you have an ulterior motive for collecting money as your ask has changed in a very short amount of time.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 19, 2020, 11:52:01 AM
Justin you said it was for last tourney and now you say the money is for an upcoming one he might host? You just said $100 would motivate him when he spent $1,200 last time? But initially you said "We need to pay for the last war2festival before we get another one."

I think he is referring to the one on 2011.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 19, 2020, 05:23:09 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/hcVxypR.jpg)

So now you are threatening my family? My dads name is Rick and he is 59 years old. I will be reaching out to the proper authorities. Me and Equinox exposed the corrupt staff here for stealing money from peoples credit cards and you bring our families into it. You are going down.

Cel, Tora, TK, and Blid are all going to jail.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 19, 2020, 06:47:30 PM
Me and Equinox exposed the corrupt staff here for stealing money from peoples credit cards
Huh?

Also, I doubt anyone knows anyone's dad's names... wtf.  Let alone the exact age they are right now.  Like once there's a birthday it will be out of date?  I don't think people are doing this intentionally.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 19, 2020, 06:58:13 PM
That is a new one  :rofl:

If there was money stolen from your credit card your bank would have some trace of payments I believe. Care to let us know what makes you think money was stolen from anyone and also if there was any money lost what was the company or person that was paid with it?

This is probably the most serious and most wild accusation I have heard so far on this forum and the good part is this is also the easiest to verify if money was stolen you with a credit card there should be a trace... :ok_hand:

I dont know what games you guys are actually playing but I do believe IL, Blid and Tora have much better things to do than to waste their time smurfing on USA server.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 19, 2020, 07:34:59 PM
To be fair if my computer/cellphone were hacked and my credit card infos were stolen and I was sure it was related to my connection to that game I probably wouldn't be still here arguing for a guy to be un-muted one year after the facts...

I would have just left everything behind I would have gone to the police for them to have a look on things with all I had. And I would have completely cleaned of my pc from scratch changed my internet provider or asked for new IP. Same for my phone I would have just changed it all, and would have avoided that place like the plague but that clearly is not what you are doing here...

Xurnt I dont know what I ever did to you but you seem to really have snapped on me for whatever reason now I am not even going to try and understand that part... I remember the first thing I told you when I got back and you told me your cellphone got hacked. I told you to wipe it clean and same for your PC and to run all the checks possible. But then what happened you told me you would not even try. Because "it wouldn't change anything", I am sorry, but it would have... I would have believed you if you even had tried to make it look like you cared... In reality that is where I drew the line of truth from lies I could never believe you from there... Someone that really got hacked would not just do nothing to protect himself from it happening again... Sure he would be paranoid but he would have done something not just stand there and gesticulate like you did...

If all the admins are corrupt as you say, I probably would not want to stay admin or have anything to do with them either... I certainly wouldn't want to stay admin of that  place...

Most importantly so far there is nothing in any of both of your millions accusations and theories that goes beyond speculations, nothing that ties all your shenanegans to anyone here...
At best maybe there is a troll, and if there is a troll he could very well not even be from RU. What if everything you are going through has nothing to do with any of the staff or people that play here? What then?

But the more I read you two guys the more I believe you are making things up as you go like seriously its a spectacle... A sad spectacle...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 19, 2020, 08:20:47 PM
A year and a half from now Xurnt you were the one guy I wanted to believe in everything.
I liked you so much you were the guy I was playing the most with and with voice chat...
I was looking up to you.

Then you melted down in summer 2019 I was very confused because I wasn't there when it all happened, I read a little bit about it as I came back and I confronted you I still have the discord conversation here. I asked you what it was all about and I was about to leave the server I told you man if they hacked you it was really bad and that we should leave it all.
And most importantly I really insisted you cleaned your stuff I was worried about you.

But then you told me :
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/778377681975640108/779152210268389396/HeSaysHeGotHackedButHeDontCare.png)

I then proceeded to ask everything you told me to ask IL, and he said he had looked at ips and there was nothing shady there and that he did not understand all it was about.
So I thought to myself ok then and I kept  digging because I really wanted to believe you but man the more I dug the less it made sense so I gave up...
Tk was right when he told you if you had actually made a little more sense everyone would have followed you and backed you up, I know I certainly would have...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: tk[as] on November 19, 2020, 08:46:33 PM
pretty sure i saw someone named TRUMP 2020 on the server... like they knew i was voting for trump in 2020. super creepy.

Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: woofy on November 19, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
I believe its possible there could be someone out there stalking players family members to harass members of the community, which is a pretty shitty act and shouldn't be brushed under the rug if proven not just a coincidence. (This includes avatars of lance's gf eating the poo, I know picka has my back but poking the bear doesn't help the community) Taunting vulnerable folks in the community, especially ones that have contributed so much to its growth, is detrimental and will only cause unnecessary issues towards the community in the long run. À la Youtubegate.

If this isn't a coincidence, please stop.

Having said that, I highly doubt credit cards are being fleeced as I'm sure we'd know by now. It's a very serious yet baseless claim. Generally people that have money to fleece are prudent with their money and would notice if 500 gold was mined from their banks.

Also, if you truly believe someone is being too much of a creep, and you think there's little anyone can do about it, do what I did and take a break from the game and community  completely. Works wonders. 

One last thing! I believe big cash prizes shouldn't be a thing for tournaments in this community. Small cash prizes are fun, but when we you start upping prizes, you start getting a lot of unwanted attention, legal and illegal. Happy to contribute $ for servers/website maintenance/coding etc, but not prize money.

I'll be back soon to reclaim my place on top of the throne as the greatest smurf player to grace the gardens of war. Justin, 1v1?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Harrywangs on November 19, 2020, 11:46:32 PM
I don't want to open the can back up but Cel, they had a SS that Angel was in that game watching. Angel, or the person who is Angel, was indeed NOT in that game watching. Aka, someone was on his name. So, if iL is checking or was checking IPs for that situation, that might be something else to check.

1) Angel doesn't watch games
2) I asked Angel the next day, he confirmed he wasn't even on.

Again, I hate to open the can back up, but that was never addressed even though I did mention it a few times in Burnt's defense.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 12:33:14 AM
Some dude could have guessed his password?
Not that it is much better but the rest though really felt like it came from a movie rather than anything tangible.
People wouldn't go that far just because they lost a game to anyone it just does not add up...
The logs Mousey showed, also did show Blid was telling the truth who ever he is and nothing else tied him up to that moment. I dont understand why Burnt wouldn't hear it? Why the fixation on Blid even if he did happen to stand there at that moment, does it make any sense to you? I dont know their history but wasn't Blid supposed to be one of his friends here?

And if Burnt was really hacked by someone and his computer or phone were compromised why did he not show any interest in cleaning his machine and making sure it wouldn't happen again? Would you not have completely wiped everything up and clean that stuff up before anything else am I crazy for assuming anyone would do that?
Am I alone here to think it is the first thing people would do in that situation?
Would you even care about your opponent accepting a loss or whatever or would you care about your whole stuff being compromised? It just makes no sense to me... No one would care about having won a game more than about being hacked...

And I dont believe someone in that server especially swift who we used to play on voice with (with Burnt), to be that stupid as to hack someone else just not to admit defeat in a video game it just makes absolutely no sense...

Not even jumping into the details of all the theories they came up with after that it just is insane at this point...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 12:46:42 AM
That said if there is still history of connections from that time somewhere I would encourage @iL to have a look for who had stolen angel's aka or if his ip match with anyone else because that is not cool, wether or not it was a lucky guess it still isn't cool...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Oragorn on November 20, 2020, 04:09:02 AM
pretty sure i saw someone named TRUMP 2020 on the server... like they knew i was voting for trump in 2020. super creepy.
Heck! I was revealed!
It's true! Russian cybercriminals from war2ru choose Trump!
To be honest, we would not have been able to hack the Pentagon if our fellow penguins from Antarctica had not helped us!
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 09:09:33 AM
I asked IL to have a look at the logs from the time period all that shenanegan happened he said he didn't want to take the time but he trusted me to have a look so I did after he sent them to me...
I took great precautions not to read more than I had to because all the messages are none of my buisness.
I ran a search to see what IPS where used to connect to multiple accounts and removed the file from my pc after the search was done.

here is what the search conclusions are when it comes to the IPS of all the players involved:

IP used by Derber was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by 00Jordanus was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by Xurnt  was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.
IP used by Angel~Fire was the same he used at least 4 days before and after the facts.

None of these IPs were the same and none shared any AKA during that period of time.

The IP Blid used to connect was used only once in the whole log history he connected with it banned lambchop and disconnected, that IP never showed anywhere else in the whole 4 month of logs there was. It could be a VPN but it was USA so IDK :thinking:

Final thoughts:
Angel~Fire was most probably in that game when it disconnected. He also reconnected after the disconnection and his IP address was still exactly the same it always was for him. The logs do show he changed his password a few days after the event though the IP address he did that from was also the same he used in that game.

So for Angel~Fire here is what I think is possible
1) Angel~Fire either lied or didn't remember or was wasted when that happened or didnt want to get involved in the whole thing (too late)
2) Someone in Angel~Fire's house used his aka to watch some games when he was away.
3) Angel~Fire should consider running all the antiviruses and checks he can because his machine was used remotely to watch some war2 (very very very unlikely, if you have remote access to a PC you probably wouldnt be watching war2 games with it  :rofl:).

That of course is if the file logs IL sent me were untouched but he assured me he is the only one person that has access to these files so that si where we are...

I would love to hear what @Angel~firE has to say now to be honest. It is also worth mentionning the only aka that used his IP is his own account during that whole period so he is not a sneaky smurfer.
There you have it...

I did that painfull lookup and took about 3 hours from my working hours because I thought I owed Xurnt at least to have a look on that and IL didnt want to do it himself...
3 hours wasted using scripts to parse these logs and make sure I was not missing anything weird.

On a sidenote The only weird activity from and IP in that whole period was Warbux MAN... WTF WITH YOUR FAILED PASSWORDS ATTEMPTS BRO LOL. Also one day in july you connected disconnected like a billion times for about 20 minutes straight wtf were you even doing @Warbux ? ;-)

Disclaimer: My search was limited to these 5 accounts and their IPS and the other accounts these IPS were used to connect to. I wont reveal smurfs all you may know is none of these AKAs were connected to by more than 1 IP.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: baRa on November 20, 2020, 09:46:56 AM
Nice thing a NON ADMIN has access to all this privy information. I now feel more safe on this server than I ever have! Maybe Burnt and equinox are on to something. Weird stuff is going on here and I don't like it one bit.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 09:56:32 AM
IL said he was the only one that had access to these logs and didn't want to spend the time himself. He only gave me the 4 month files of that period and as I said, I only searched for these 5 akas to check what it was all about.

It was a one time thing for a log that was a years and a half old.
I do not have access to these files at all besides that one he sent me once, and since I deleted the file from my pc I do not have access to it anymore... I would have to ask him to send it to me again if we needed to check something else.

First time he proposed me I said no but it was either saying yes and having a chance to know or saying no and we  would never have known anything.
IL trusted me with the informations though even if he asked me to be available for if there are next times I said no I did it once for Xurnt I wont do it again I dont enjoy wasting half a day like this often...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 20, 2020, 10:06:35 AM
Nice thing a NON ADMIN has access to all this privy information. I now feel more safe on this server than I ever have! Maybe Burnt and equinox are on to something. Weird stuff is going on here and I don't like it one bit.
I already checked the situation in Sep 2019, my result: nothing against Blid and others Burnt blamed.
Now Cel asked me to check one more, i gave him that log to let him check it himself. To make sure i didn't miss something.
I know Cel and i trust he will never use that private information for his personal benefits.
Let me know if you have any reasons for suspicion Cel in uncleanliness.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 10:21:03 AM
Next time though you can run a regex to remove all whispers and private messages @iL (removing all lines that had /w /msg /m)
Since they are probably not needed for that kind of checks  :thinking:

Also because the search only relied on checking if IP were used for different accounts you can hash the IPS next time so they are not directly readable though there is not that much you can do with an IP alone still it is something to consider  :slight_smile:.

Hopefully it wont happen ever again but if you need to send that type of file to someone else it probably would be better to do that in the future :newthumbsup:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 20, 2020, 12:05:04 PM
Next time though you can run a regex to remove all whispers and private messages @iL (removing all lines that had /w /msg /m)
Since they are probably not needed for that kind of checks  :thinking:

Also because the search only relied on checking if IP were used for different accounts you can hash the IPS next time so they are not directly readable though there is not that much you can do with an IP alone still it is something to consider  :slight_smile:.

Hopefully it wont happen ever again but if you need to send that type of file to someone else it probably would be better to do that in the future :newthumbsup:
Looks too complicated. Why i should hash and remove something? I just want someone to help, someone i trust. And i trust you. I had enough time to make sure you are a very decent man.
Are there any reasons i should't trust you?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: baRa on November 20, 2020, 12:31:51 PM
"No, you can't trust me!" Said no one ever.

Look at admin warbux, he was all gung ho and banning people left and right. Where is he now?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 02:08:59 PM
Earl Dibbles Jr - Don’t Tread on Me (Official Music Video) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2YnMPArU-c#)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Harrywangs on November 20, 2020, 04:14:49 PM
IP is an IP. I'm not very technical to debate that. That was very nice of you to check Cel.

Angel's character has never been in question as long as I've known him, he doesn't give 2 shits about drama on here, and I don't think he even drinks/gets drunk. He may have come on the forums back then to respond, as I told him about it, but I'm not looking around for any of that.

Anyways, it could have been someone else on his name or him forgetting? I guess. His response the day after was "I don’t think I played with them, I better change my PW logging on now". So, I guess it is not 100% definitive. It was enough for him to change his PW though.

Then again, a week or so later, Burnt did blame the hackers or whoever for burning his grass. So.... at that point, I'm not sure how much Brunt's mindset can be trusted anyways. Mighta had the tin foil on at that point.

Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 04:23:59 PM
I am honored that you trust me @iL  but your trust is your own and people like Bara here are right to have their own concerns or doubts same for the trust I put in you.
It is even better if you dont have to trust me at all.
That is also why I told you I did not want to have access to the server to implement the ddos protections we talked about and that you had to do it yourself. First because I dont want the pressure on my shoulders second because it is better to have only one person responsible of these things that is two times less people we the users have to trust.
For the logs, it only would take a few lines of script to hide all that stuff and next time if there is a next time you wont even have to trust me or whoever you want to do the checks for you.
Though like I said I sincerely hope you never have to  dig up stuff like that it is unpleasant at best...

That said I wonder what triggered the spook in the first place... I wasn't in that game so I wouldn't be able to tell...
There was history between these guys?
But you guys myself included asked for IP checks now we have them 1 year and a half after the facts...... But hopefully it still helps heal some wounds...
It wont bring mousey back though...  :(

(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/584356430413430794/778568513052082206/sadface.png)

How important winning or loosing at a video game must be to you that it litterally comes to this...
This hurts to look at... What a shame...  :(

@Harrywangs also worth mentioning there was one fail attempt  to log in from angel fire like about 20 hours after the game was played then immediatly followed by a successful login.
I doubt he would remember failing once to enter his password but well it is there. There was no failed attempt when he reconnected or when he logged in before the game I noted that too.

I am sorry if it was not what some people were hoping for but from the logs I was given this is what they say... I really did my best... As for Blid like I said the IP he used to login that day was never used before or after in the whole file...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 04:50:15 PM
All signs point to Blid abusing his position that day, cheating his own ladder and with the info Cel put out just shows I was right all along. So fuck you to everyone who talked shit. They hacked me, spied on me, and ruined my love for the game.

Then Blid and Tora abused there powers muting me multiple times to hide the truth. Well the truth is out there just like van told you from the beginning.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:11:30 PM
Quote from: van
Xurnt is getting very good at 1v1 and could keep up with lone for the most part... which makes me think that swift logged on jordan account, wasnt expecting as hard of a game and xurnt took the win,  which made him embarassed because that was the whole point of swift logging on his account was to get a easy win to shut xurnt up,  instead xurnt won a really close LONG game that looked like swift.   You all claim that swift is so good that he somehow couldnt lose,  which is not true at all.  I have watched a few of braviet vs swift 1v1 lately and swift was getting his ass handed to him by braviet quite easily in some of the games,  which we all know braviet is at the bottom of the elite totum pole so if braviet can take some wins from swift, its not like its impossible for xurnt who has been training with lone, to get a win.   So after the game is over,  00jordanus hosts immediately and when we make fun of him for losing, he gets all pissy like swift does when he loses and says " did you play in the game? no so stfu" .  Xurnt proceeds to tell them that he is going to take a shower,   i said oh that means hes gonna piss on you hoes.  Then he literally went to take a shower, so 00jordanus logs off, no more than 30 seconds to a min later,  blid logs on for less than a minute or so, then logs off.  I thought this was super wierd I almost even took a SS because of it


Tora the admin admitting Jordan and Blid shared accounts.

(http://i.imgur.com/akLaGDQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/eK88XYC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/s42ce3Q.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fnTHa9h.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LMqR2c2.jpg)

Jordan logged on Blids name after the game to make sure the IPs were all covered up on the server. Including Angel~fires that they used for the disconnect to ruin the ladder log.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 05:21:29 PM
Although I cannot clear IL from being some other player completely because he could have used VPN just to connect that one time to his blid account when he banned Lambchop.
His time of connection is exactly what mousey and he said it was. And he did disconnect just after the ban was done so I dont know from what the logs say he was not around when these games happened. All I can say is blid logged in only one time in the whole file, and he used an IP that never was used elsewhere for any other account.

As for the other players like 00Jordanus he played under 5 different names with the same IP but none of the names he played under used a different IP than his in the whole file.
Derber 's IP was his own and always is the same consistently too.
same for Xurnt
same for AngelFire

Apparently it was said back then that the game reports can bug sometimes and I for one certainly already saw some zombie games or games that show with the wrong names on the server so I dont know if that is really something that weird in the logs though names are very consistent there was only one game named "jordan wants one more".

IDK man from my perspective if the logs are legit there is not much aggravating evidences here.
I wish I knew what triggered all this but the IPS at least dont seem to show players exchanging accounts or anything like that.  :thinking:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:25:08 PM
I posted the evidence. If you are too stupid to understand it then it's not my fault.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 05:35:56 PM
maybe they did share accounts someday but that night I find it unlikely.
The only commands sent by blid was the ban and he disconnected after it.

If what IL said is true and no one had access to that log but him I dont see how if he did anything else it would show these are direct server logs all messages even the invalid ones are visible if you send random text to the server it shows there.
Also the IP Blid used was different than the ones 00Jordanus used.

Also how does it work to connect on Blid account to cover IPS?
Logs are not something admins have access to they are local files generated on the server by the server referencing each connections and messages relayed. The only way you can modify or access them is if IL either send the file to you or had given Blid direct access to the server itself which he said he didn't do ever to anyone.

The only possibility this holds is if IL actually modified the logs before sending them to me. I dont believe he would go that far just to cover someone who cant take a loss if that was the case...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:39:19 PM
He logged on the server to check if the logs were covered after he entered the data base. Tora says it clear as day.. Jordan had access to EVERYTHING. Van saw blid log in after the game. Angel~fire says he was never there. Hmm you don't have to be Einstein to figure this one out.

If iL told you he's never given that access to anyone before then he lied to you. I use to have it and I know Blid had it too. Then Blid gave it to Jordan.

I left my access willingly because I wasn't a power corrupt assclown like the rest of these admins have turned into. All I needed was the announce command to help out this game. These admins these days have literally turned into nazis now.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 05:46:41 PM
The thing is you do not have access to log through connecting to PVPGN you have to connect to the server filesystem to do that.
No admin can do that unless iL gives them access to it which he swore me he never did.
You would have to also use a different program to connect to it and when you are connected to the filesystem through filezilla or whatever it does not show you are connected in games.

These are two different accounts/places.

Just like the difference between your windows session account that you use to log into windows and the account you use to play the game. You can be connected to one without being connected to the other at all. If Jordan was Blid like you said and had access to that part of the server he wouldnt even have to disconnect from the game he could do it on the side...

And of course he wouldn't have to connect with Blid account.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:48:09 PM
I'm not talking about the fucking PVPGN my lord. iL has given the database access out to me and Blid probably more. You are not the first.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 05:50:26 PM
I do not have database access though, database and filesystem access is a very different thing. (he did not give me filesystem access either he said he gave it to no one ever)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:53:01 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/XPMhnsx.jpg)

Jordan can change all of the information he wants to. Blid has given him that power
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 05:57:37 PM
if you have access to the database which is already a big deal. You can modify the data the site and server uses like ladder etc. But you cant modify let alone access the files in the filesystem where the server program the database program and the log files are.
These files are not a part of the database they are automatically generated files storing connection events happening on the server these couldn't have been medled with by accessing the database.

Also if you have access to the database you usually do not access it from the game you use a different site to connect to it and modify tables that way. So if Jordan has access to the DB he does not need to connect with Blid account what so ever to change things there.

I do hope you are wrong though and that not a lot of people have access to the database of the server like you said :P
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 05:59:11 PM
No fucking shit. He logged on the Blid name to double check if everything was covered up. God you are so fucking stupid Cel just stfu already. You spamming replies is HIDING THE REAL EVIDENCE.

Quote from: van
Xurnt is getting very good at 1v1 and could keep up with lone for the most part... which makes me think that swift logged on jordan account, wasnt expecting as hard of a game and xurnt took the win,  which made him embarassed because that was the whole point of swift logging on his account was to get a easy win to shut xurnt up,  instead xurnt won a really close LONG game that looked like swift.   You all claim that swift is so good that he somehow couldnt lose,  which is not true at all.  I have watched a few of braviet vs swift 1v1 lately and swift was getting his ass handed to him by braviet quite easily in some of the games,  which we all know braviet is at the bottom of the elite totum pole so if braviet can take some wins from swift, its not like its impossible for xurnt who has been training with lone, to get a win.   So after the game is over,  00jordanus hosts immediately and when we make fun of him for losing, he gets all pissy like swift does when he loses and says " did you play in the game? no so stfu" .  Xurnt proceeds to tell them that he is going to take a shower,   i said oh that means hes gonna piss on you hoes.  Then he literally went to take a shower, so 00jordanus logs off, no more than 30 seconds to a min later,  blid logs on for less than a minute or so, then logs off.  I thought this was super wierd I almost even took a SS because of it


Tora the admin admitting Jordan and Blid shared accounts.

(http://i.imgur.com/akLaGDQ.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/eK88XYC.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/s42ce3Q.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/fnTHa9h.jpg)

(http://i.imgur.com/LMqR2c2.jpg)

Jordan logged on Blids name after the game to make sure the IPs were all covered up on the server. Including Angel~fires that they used for the disconnect to ruin the ladder log.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 06:04:33 PM
No need to be rude.
How does connecting to Blid would allow him to check that something was covered up?
Also like I said the logs show blid connected and only sent litterally one command to the server which was to ban Lambchop and disconnected afterward.
If he had sent any other command during that time on the pvpgn it would have been logged there.

So like I said the only way this holds is if IL is lying about the logs. And I am not seing what would make that worth it I am sorry...

I am not hiding anything anyone can scroll up to see what you posted before...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 20, 2020, 06:05:54 PM
Van SAW HIM LOG IN DUMBASS!!!

Angel~Fire said HE WAS NEVER IN THE GAME!!

Tora admitted JORDAN HAD ACCESS TO EVERYTHING!!

Get it through your thick head. You are such a annoying twat.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 06:21:30 PM
Blid connected 10 hours after your game was played.
The logs show him connecting banning disconnecting no other actions took place if it did it would be logged.
Angel fire used same IP that night he always does and I really would like to see what he has to say about it tbh.

I do not know what Tora admitted to but I know IL said the filesystem access was never granted to anyone else but himself and this is the only place you can access the logs from.

So like I said the only way it holds is if IL is lying about the logs.

As for them sharing account since Jordan played 5 different accounts and never used a VPN to play on these as well as his main aka I dont know why he would have made an exception for connecting to blid account...
And most importantly I dont see what he could do from blid account that he couldn't do externally anyways if he had access to the database in the first place...
And all that trouble to cover one stupid loss at a videogame? Who would go that far for one loss on a 25 years old deserted video game?

How about just unplugging and saying it was the dog or he had to leave mid game because there was something happening outside or say it was your kid playing the game lol.
Dont you think there are easier ways to go about it than going through all that trouble just for that?  :thinking:  ::)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 20, 2020, 06:26:53 PM
U know I said a lot of things to Xurnt when he had his initial meltdown. I will make it clear now. Jordan and Blid are two different people and no I don't actually think swift hacks.

You clearly said you supported my actions on the server would seem that was a lie as well.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 20, 2020, 06:32:25 PM
xS.day and justin watch HyDrA[VcK] and madness Starcraft bw fmp 1v1 ugl scw commentary - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQJD-xnlhDg#)

we bring the best product whether it be a war2 festival or a Memorial Tournament. Come try to leave your comments please so i can mute you. Tolean is the best in the world, better than dar, the rest is garbage
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: baRa on November 20, 2020, 06:33:33 PM
U know I said a lot of things to Xurnt when he had his initial meltdown. I will make it clear now. Jordan and Blid are two different people and no I don't actually think swift hacks.

You clearly said you supported my actions on the server would seem that was a lie as well.

Where's there's smoke there's fire. Why say those things in the first place?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 20, 2020, 06:49:40 PM
U know I said a lot of things to Xurnt when he had his initial meltdown. I will make it clear now. Jordan and Blid are two different people and no I don't actually think swift hacks.

You clearly said you supported my actions on the server would seem that was a lie as well.

Where's there's smoke there's fire. Why say those things in the first place?


Trying to calm someone down who is clearly mentally ill. And whom I considered was a friend at the time would seem I was mistaken.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 07:22:08 PM
Not that it changes much for the connections that night since Xurnt believes he played against swift that night and not 00Jordanus but.

What makes/made you and Mousey think @~ToRa~ that Blid and Jordan where sharing accounts?
Or that Blid shared all the access with Jordan? Is there evidence of that somewhere or it was educated speculations based on your understanding of the person?
I mean technically at this point if Blid was playing under 00Jordanus account he could have connected through a vpn just to make the ban under blid's name but still.
These 3 players were connected at the same time from 3 different IPS at one point so.
At least for that very few hours frametime if the logs are legit they were not doing it, and actually in that whole file for the 5 accounts 00Jordanus played on none ever connected with a different IP.

If you think they did share at some point and remember vaguely the time it happened maybe IL could have a look but I wont waste more time on it honestly, I watsted too much time already as it is.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 20, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
What makes/made you and Mousey think @~ToRa~ that Blid and Jordan where sharing accounts?
Or that Blid shared all the access with Jordan? Is there evidence of that somewhere or it was educated speculations based on your understanding of the person?

Well they friends and have met in real life.

But in all honesty I was just trying to comfort Xurnt at the time. Please don't take anything I said to Xurnt on FB seriously.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 20, 2020, 08:46:52 PM
Oh I understand completely ::) :-\
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Rit on November 20, 2020, 09:53:47 PM
Yup it was bound to happen, that is why I did not want to upload there anymore ::).

One place for everything was a terrible idea because there is always a guy in charge and that guy if he goes crazy or mad or is pissed about something he can do this type of things whenever he feels like it.

Better all have our own channels with our own videos and having them all linked somewhere than risking loosing it all like this on a petty move.
That way if someone wants to quit or be mad we loose that guy's videos nothing more its just a matter of removing a link from a list.

Also it is more logical that we let people that make the videos handle them its their stuff afterall, and viewers can directly pick the channels/uploader they like best, that way without having to go through a mega list of videos from guys they dont really enjoy watching anyways.

Lets start making a list, who has youtube channels dedicated to war2 they know about here?

Here some I gathered so far:

Justin = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkAWbPstBM_JpuXM2klhYOA[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkAWbPstBM_JpuXM2klhYOA[/url])
Szwagier = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/SzwagierR[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/SzwagierR[/url])
TK = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ClanAbsoluteSynergy[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/ClanAbsoluteSynergy[/url])
Cel = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/Trogallart[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/Trogallart[/url])
Fuckluck = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCErw4YiwbluYfr8HUVLTcHg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCErw4YiwbluYfr8HUVLTcHg[/url])
Frostbitten = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/FrostbittenWarcraft[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/FrostbittenWarcraft[/url])
KagaN = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCb7epOJueW7HcMpgkd5GKKw[/url])
Rogwolod = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIACM9_GDe8_xxKboPyzP9Q[/url])
Claw = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/pffflstlss[/url])
g3mini = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/war2innuendo[/url])
DAR = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWgDtL1kb9K-pcEeyvW747Q[/url])
Oragorn = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC9WWfcr3S4HxKmNpiNUQkmQ[/url])
Nik5et = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzRbzQODm_1d2wqRCvWRKPg[/url])
Mistral = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCF_g_-txdcII3c9aObJnF3A[/url])
ViTy = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC4AXW_WqKcJWTpYHHn6f3Nw[/url])
RagneR = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIebJxelxNpFbSYXSS7p6g[/url])
Zelya = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCm0Wu_FbZcdkhPRKshpyGqA[/url])
Smeagol = [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/LouieO1988[/url])
Nedro? = [url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLONzNHn6PPHNqw9xU8_bvQ[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCLONzNHn6PPHNqw9xU8_bvQ[/url])
Mousey if ever she comes back </3 : [url]http://www.youtube.com/user/mousetopherX[/url] ([url]http://www.youtube.com/user/mousetopherX[/url])

There are more but I dont necessarily know who they belong to  :slight_smile:


Ritalin-: http://www.youtube.com/user/RitalinWC2 (http://www.youtube.com/user/RitalinWC2)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: woofy on November 22, 2020, 03:03:59 PM
Updates on new video dump?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 22, 2020, 05:23:04 PM

Justin Schmidt
18 minutes ago
@Maester Gryphon get informed before you cry.



Maester Gryphon
Maester Gryphon
1 hour ago
What happened to all the wc2 games? And now only 2 starcrap games seriously wtf happened to this channel? There's millions of starcraft 2 videos including pro tournys with commentaries, its like afreakin sport in Korea and gone national. There was just one semi professional feeling warcraft 2 channel, this one, and now it's just another starcrap channel? What in the unholy hell hath happened here?


xs.day 3 vs 4 hydra[vck] Starcraft bw fmp 1v1 commentary scw ugl - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gpk69nUFyCY#)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 23, 2020, 12:31:38 PM
All signs point to Blid abusing his position that day, cheating his own ladder and with the info Cel put out just shows I was right all along. So fuck you to everyone who talked shit. They hacked me, spied on me, and ruined my love for the game.
Literally zero signs point to that.  I am not an active player at all, have nothing to do with anything, and logged on only to temp ban Lambchops because others were shy about doing it. 

Van did not see me log on later, because I know for a fact I didn't.  Not only is it my word, but the logs also confirm it. Me banning lambchops happened at a different time than all this other stuff anyway, and the only connection is a fantasy in your head. 

I have not shared any of my accounts with Jordan or given him any access to the server, and I don't have access to logs anyway.

Angelfire was asked like 4 days later if he watched a specific game did not remember it.  Who cares.  The simplest explanation is not only the most likely one, it is also the one proved by the logs.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 23, 2020, 12:46:45 PM
Tora already ratted you out before you got him in your pocket.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 23, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
Lets resume briefly Mr Burnt's position:

Logs that no one have access to except for IL are "tempered" and cannot be trusted.
What every single admin said once they started digging is wrong and cannot be trusted.
But what a friend of Burnt said, which he later admitted was just to cheer him up, before he started investigating is "Hard evidence". Because it could be compatible with part of his theory...

Here is the truth:

Van didn't lie I believe he saw blid yes, just about 9 hours after the games were played as it is backed up by the logs...
There is nothing that would have pushed anyone to log in as Blid if it was only to "cover tracks" or "check if it was covered" like Burnt said.
You dont need to connect to the game to check the ladder, or to change data on any database you have access to and even Burnt knows it.
The ladder is not even at the same place that the pvpgn server is, yet Burnt keeps saying Blid has to be in the mix because he connected that night and this only makes sense to him...

None of the facts are "hard evidence" to Burnt when they dont back up his fantasy.
His version of what happened has to be the right one and anyone that does not ride along with Burnt is part of a growing conspiracy against him,
or is stupid because they dont acknowledge his clear hard evident hear says.

If Burnt knew he had actually beaten or could beat Swift in a fair 1v1, he probably wouldn't cry about one game as he could just win again next time or move on.
So he is also lying to himself and would rather believe people would go to these crazy length just to cover one loss from Swift than accept the truth.

In conclusion:

Burnt never cared if anything was true, all he ever wanted is to hurt these two other guys no matter what and everything that stood in his way to that end...
Because he was probably pissed about them even before the games started, that is what I now believe...

If you want Burnt to consider you a friend dont ever tell him what you think but stick to what he wants to hear.

Here are the positives we get from the whole shit show:

Everyone saw right through Burnt but himself. And finally things are about to change for the better here because of that. :newthumbsup:

@woofy
There will be a new channel for youtube it is being discussed as we speak, I for one think having a list clearly visible on the site will be a better solution yet not mutually exclusive in the long run. It may help also attract other content creators too.

All that stupid drama made us discover all these cool other war2 related youtube channels and we will certainly make something great out of that too :slight_smile:

These situations probably wont ever happen again and a handfull of toxic/negative people will no longer be able to occupy 80% of the space in the forums and game with their drama.
Let alone impose their will on others by acting like thug lords.

War2 has a much much brighter future ahead, it sadly had to get worse before it gets better  8)  :wc2:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 23, 2020, 08:47:17 PM
Burnt vrs swift in a 1v1 where swift loses

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZ-EATMVf-Y#)

I gotta put it back on private so watch it now or dont watch it
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 23, 2020, 09:48:37 PM
@Cel you really believe his bullshit "trying to make me feel better" story.

Why then would he say this

(http://i.imgur.com/jo9aDrK.jpg)

Tora is just full of s*** and likes talking crap behind peoples backs. Then he gets called out on it and wants to play the PC police.

Blid shares his access with Jordan. Now Tora is another one of his puppets like tk.

---

Another funny part of your guys story is Blid says he logged in before the incident, and Cel claims he logged in after. Make up your minds. Van saw you log in right after.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 23, 2020, 10:13:40 PM
The fact that it happened before if it did, further proves the non-sense that this whole sharade is...

Swift or Jordan or anyone is not going to be going that far just to prove someone didn't loose in a 25 years old game...
Swift didnt do it back then, and logs show him and Jordan have not done it then. Why would they anyways, like you said it happened before and no one cares about it more than Burnt...

The logs show Swift was connected at the time of the game behind the same IP he always used, and Jordan was  connected in that game with the ip Jordan always used too.
In the whole log file not once have one IP been shared between any of the blid/derber/jordan accounts none...
So it does not matter what Tora said then because even if they did share account at some point in their lifetime which they categorically denied, it simply did not happen during that period of time from july to september. Not once in the whole log file ever...

Or you seriously believe that all the admins including IL are all completely going out of their way to cover up for Swift's loss under Jordan's account and for what?
No one cares as much as Burnt does...

None of these accusations make any sense and everyone knows it...
People that keep saying what Burnt wants to hear, because they fear to anger him are obviously not helping him. But at this point it is not my problem...

I dont know what made Burnt so bitter and angry about these two guys in the first place but something happened, and it has nothing to do with them hacking or whatever machiavelous plans involving them playing on each other's accounts.

And frankly at this point, it doesn't matter... This whole stupid and destructive war will stop soon, and the drama will be gone with it...  :slight_smile:
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 23, 2020, 10:18:10 PM
Cel you are brain dead.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 23, 2020, 10:27:31 PM
Another funny part of your guys story is Blid says he logged in before the incident, and Cel claims he logged in after. Make up your minds. Van saw you log in right after.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/584356430413430794/778557287870496768/Blid_logged_in_at_17h35_that_day.png?width=962&height=431)

If you actually read what people say... People said he connected like he said during the early afternoon that day... Your game was 3am in the morning, Blid login happened 1:35pm the same day...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 23, 2020, 10:41:00 PM
Lmao my game wasn't at 3am. Make up your mind cel was it before or after. Busted in your lies.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 23, 2020, 11:14:08 PM
Aug 27 06:25:25 [info ] conn_set_game: [53] game [32469] "jordan wants one more" (pass "") host "IPOFDERBER", mapsize 256x256, maxplayers 8, speed 0(unknown), maptype 2(Blizzard), gametype 3(melee), tileset 0(Unknown) map "Garden of War.pud", created by "derber"


your games started to happen around 2-3 am where the "Jordan wants one more" game happened and you guys played all the way until the one game happened where indeed we can see in the log:

Aug 27 21:36:02 [info ] game_create: game "dw" (pass "dw") type 3(melee) startver 4 created <=== This is when you create your game where you think Jordan was Swift. (so after Blid logged out)

Aug 27 21:36:03 [info ] conn_destroy: [29] "00Jordanus" logged out
Aug 27 21:36:13 [info ] _client_loginreq1: [31] "00jordanus" logged in (correct password)

he did relog with minor cases nickname prolly because he typed it fast because the IP is the same both times, like I said in the whole log files all these accounts never shared IPs.

This is what the logs said as I reported to IL after browsing them myself... All in all it does not matter when the game was played anyways because the only thing that matters here is the IPS simply do not match ever from July to september.
Not once has the IP of derber/swift been seen on Jordan's aka or the other way around... Not once...

Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 24, 2020, 12:58:28 AM
OK I was about to ask IL's logs back to check on something. Turns out I didnt need to I could still get them.
I didn't want to check on messages but at somepoint you have to as I wanted to see what started it all.
Because I know Burnt can be a dickhead sometimes but still...
The IP connections events happen separately than the login event so I could say for sure that the IP of Jordan connected before derber logged off and Jordan did connect at that time, and just before the aka was logged in but I had to check for someone else IP that I wasn't prepared for. Fortunately reading the messaged this time was pretty quick I did not have to read a lot to find this:

Quote
Aug 27 06:42:08 [info ] handle_command: [18] user 'thumb$' cmd: "/whisper derber van is on xurnt name rofl , Brb"
Aug 27 21:35:28 [info ] handle_command: [31] user 'thumb$' cmd: "/whisper 00Jordanus give me ur pasw i will kick him so bad lol"
Aug 27 21:35:43 [info ] handle_command: [29] user '00Jordanus' cmd: "/whisper thumb$ u wnat?"
Aug 27 21:35:44 [info ] handle_command: [29] user '00Jordanus' cmd: "/whisper thumb$ pw is ****"
Aug 27 21:35:46 [info ] handle_command: [29] user '00Jordanus' cmd: "/whisper thumb$ go rape him"
Aug 27 21:35:50 [info ] handle_command: [31] user 'thumb$' cmd: "/r sure "
Aug 27 21:36:01 [info ] conn_destroy: [31] "thumb$" logged out
Aug 27 21:36:03 [info ] conn_destroy: [29] "00Jordanus" logged out
Aug 27 21:36:03 [info ] sd_accept: [29] accepted connection from IPOFTHUMBS (he is using VPN)
Aug 27 21:36:04 [info ] sd_accept: [29] accepted connection from IPOFJORDAN (same IP as always)
Aug 27 21:36:13 [info ] _client_loginreq1: [31] "00jordanus" logged in (correct password)
Aug 27 21:36:22 [info ] conn_destroy: [60] "derber" logged out <== Derber logged out after. And no one logged in before the game started from there.

So no it wasn't Swift / Derber, that I triple checked, but it does look like there was something fishy here non the less. And I do owe Xurnt some appology since I had only checked his version of the facts first and didn't dig more after that. I should have obviously but in my mind it was either he is right or he is wrong turns out he was onto something here...

So who is Thumb$?

And at this point I am not an admin I dont care if you think it is not right to reveal part of these logs too much damage has been done in our community not to just go forward with the truth.
I was only trusted to be unbiaised which I am, so here it is when I find something I say it...
This has been dragged for far too loooong now and we need closure and the truth to come out, it is not ok to let Xurnt go completely crazy mad like this and not come forward to try and make things right...

So yes the logs contradicted Xurnt's version for sure, but he was not playing Jordanus either and he could at least feel that...
As a matter of fact it seems that account sharing is a thing here apparently and messing with other people's mind too.
So what do you guys plan to do about it? Is it an accepted thing here? @~ToRa~ @iL @tk[as] ?

And why did Thumb$ not just come clean about it and not let Xurnt grow crazier and crazier over it to the point he thought people were burning his grass?

To be fair this is probably the only thing that is true about Xurnt's version of the facts, Xurnt was not playing against Jordan that night...
I appologize for not finding out faster...
I am pissed that I did not read these messages before... I really thought I didn't need to because logs showed Swift/Derber was not there...

Unbelievable...
Xurnt may have become paranoid and start seing ghosts on top of that after a while but at least it didn't come out from thin air. He is not that stupid, he had good reasons to start doubting initialy at least... I hope this helps bring closure to the whole shitshow at somepoint in a near future and at least unfreeze a few tongues in the time being...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 24, 2020, 02:41:10 AM
Oh and BTW Thumb$ later appologized to Jordan saying he totally believe to have lost to Viruz playing under Xurnt's name but nope logs are very very formal...

He lost to Xurnt...

No doubt to that at all on this side, since he hosted the game the logs are 100% clear for Xurnt... So the truth is Xurnt totally sat on Thumb$ 's face that night, and Viruz had nothing to do with it or anyone else for that matter... The way I see it, Thumb$ just tried to bite larger than he could chew  :rofl:...

The thing is, this stupid drama and horrible never ending :poo: has been plaguing the forum and the community for a year and a half now and it also has been pushing players away...

It was a freaking mess, and it should never happen again...

Rules and better management of  the server will certainly make sure of that...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 08:21:29 AM
So what do you guys plan to do about it? Is it an accepted thing here? @~ToRa~ @iL @tk[as] ?

I don’t think it’s a big deal if players share accounts. So long as they aren’t stealing it.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 08:22:46 AM
Xurnt may have become paranoid and start seing ghosts on top of that after a while but at least it didn't come out from thin air. He is not that stupid, he had good reasons to start doubting initialy at least... I hope this helps bring closure to the whole shitshow at somepoint in a near future and at least unfreeze a few tongues in the time being...

Nah I think Xurnt just doesn’t care about war2 anymore. The guy never had much skill at it and so now he is just trolling here lol.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 24, 2020, 09:21:51 AM
So yes the logs contradicted Xurnt's version for sure, but he was not playing Jordanus either and he could at least feel that...
As a matter of fact it seems that account sharing is a thing here apparently and messing with other people's mind too.
So what do you guys plan to do about it? Is it an accepted thing here? @~ToRa~ @iL @tk[as] ?
Well, our rules definitely allows to make as many accounts per person as needed. But our rules says nothing about to give your account to anybody else.
I think we should add the rule to allow on deny that.
I think as that's not something covered by the rules, that's nothing we should do with that.

Also the problem declared by Xurnt is not related to someone's played against him from someone's else account.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: van on November 24, 2020, 09:46:21 AM
I showed you guys the screen shot of Jordan loggin off then blid immediately logged on and then back off and Jordan logged back on, and multiple times of Jordan saying he has everyone’s password (which only blid would have).  And I informed everyone that it wasn’t Jordan vs xurnt and showed SS and still didn’t believe him.  Swift Jordan and blid can play on the freeway none of them have done shit for WAR2 compared to me or xurnt.  Guarantee the server is highly more competitive today, because of us, not you dumb fucks.   And xurnt is way better than your prostitute paying ass tora lmao. Tora should be removed from admin for continuously running his mouth. I won’t participate in any tournament he hosts.  Thinks account sharing is ok lmao. 
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: van on November 24, 2020, 09:51:54 AM
Nice work exposing Blid and Tora as liars.  Cel should be a admin and remove Tora and blid.  Let’s have a vote.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: van on November 24, 2020, 09:54:40 AM
And you dumb fucks know damn well I don’t log on this pathetic ass forum unless something should be said.  You’re welcome the 🤴🏻 graced your  :critter: asses.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 24, 2020, 10:06:58 AM
Nice work exposing Blid and Tora as liars.  Cel should be a admin and remove Tora and blid.  Let’s have a vote.
Except i never lied and have no involvement in any of this.  if jordan let thumbs use his account to play burnt, it has nothing to do with me.  i still only logged on to put a quick ban on lambchops, one time and one time only, on one account and one account only, and nobody else used my account.  As I've always said.

so are the logs real now because they show thumbs seems to have used jordan's account?  or are they fake because they show i have absolutely nothing to do with this and am innocent of all the wild claims against me, as they always have, going back to when mouse and il checked back in the day?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 10:19:30 AM
You gave Jordan access to logs they have been tampered with.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: van on November 24, 2020, 10:23:19 AM
We need a community poll vote on having blid removed.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 24, 2020, 10:25:19 AM
You gave Jordan access to logs they have been tampered with.
If you mean me (because as I state nobody except me has access to logs to tamper), then you don't trust me, so you have nothing to talk about with me and that's really a big problem...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 24, 2020, 10:45:12 AM
He means me, even though I have no access to the logs.  They've already decided the conspiracy has to involve me somehow and will just keep trying to force me into their claims no matter what the truth shows.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 24, 2020, 10:47:10 AM
Here's some new evidence Cel uncovered that has nothing to do with Blid.  Blid must be to blame for this!
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 11:00:07 AM
The facts are all out there. Anyone who isn't blind can clearly see you are guilty.

Also makes sense that Jordan and Swift knew things I would be whispering now. Everything you type is being watched. This is disgusting.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: iL on November 24, 2020, 11:09:27 AM
Everything you type is being watched. This is disgusting.
This is the only way to know the truth sometimes.
The truth YOU asked about.

That is why nobody (except me) had that information. And i never shared it. Except such special case like this one.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 24, 2020, 11:13:04 AM
nothing is being watched because nobody has access to the logs except iL and he does not spend his time reading them.

They have been examined by Cel (and in the past Mousetopher) specifically because of, and only because of, your accusations.  Otherwise they're not touched.

Interesting thing that I didn't even remember is that jordan said all along that it was thumb$ on his account, so this just confirms what was already said.
I did log on one time that day, because I wanted to make sure we responded to Lambchops being caught with a macro, and nobody had done that yet.  iL's log confirmed that's all that I did and that it just at a totally different time from your game. 

Van could just as easily be stretching the truth or just confused.

Angelfire could have had his account stolen or be sharing it, or he could just as easily have been afk the whole game and that's why he doesn't remember it.

I just now asked Jordan for the first time about this game, and he said it was Thumb$ that was using the Jordan name in the game you beat him, so if that's true there is definitely at least some account sharing going on, which could be causing confusion for you.

Other things like your grass, van's neighbor, or tk driving a tractor over people is just noise you need to filter out.
I know you will say the logs were hacked, the forums are hacked, your messages are hacked.  Sorry, the truth is much more simple than that.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 11:15:06 AM
Tora ratted you out for giving him access.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 11:16:33 AM
Everything you type is being watched. This is disgusting.
This is the only way to know the truth sometimes.
The truth YOU asked about.

That is why nobody (except me) had that information. And i never shared it. Except such special case like this one.

Why has this never been brought up before. Zero warnings. Server has zero privacy. Everything Equinox said about the zombie network makes more sense now.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on November 24, 2020, 11:17:57 AM
"Why has this never been brought up before?"  Bro they literally looked at the logs last year for you to investigate your claims.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 11:21:59 AM
You are all so corrupt no wonder you wanted me muted. Recording peoples whispers has NEVER been brought up. This news needs to be spread.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 24, 2020, 12:07:10 PM
@XuRnT Everything you send to whatever server or site out there is logged with your IP.
No matter what server you connect to, this is why some people use VPN to stay anonymous sometimes when they visit sites they are not too proud of  :rofl:.
Some companies like google are very very effective at tracking your every move on internet that way.
The fact is, logs are kept on the filesystem of the server in most cases and help for many things including detecting attacks but also in these situations, understand what happened on the site/server to better handle problems.

Just like server security it usually is better the less people have access to them and are often never checked because it litterally take ages to parse through them if you do not know what you are looking for. In that case one game and discussions from players in that very small timeframe and even that took me 2 days...
On war2.ru IL is the only one to have access to these logs and to the filesystem, he only sent me the part where the issue happened and in that situation I think it was the right thing to do if it could help bring closure to the whole drama...

At this point not knowing was doing more harm than having the facts layed out for good...

Oh and if you have played WOW let me tell you admins had access to litterally every personal messages you sent even more quickly and easily through the game interface itself. And I bet they did not stop there the new Bnet for SC2 and Reforget probably also have these features and more. Logs in new games are much much more looked into than war2.ru since even if there is annoying drama constantly on that forum it barely ever reaches that far  that IL has to take out the shovel...
Congrats you succeeded in forcing iL to dig out the trash  :clap: :clap: :clap:

That hopefully will never happen again but you never know what the future holds...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 24, 2020, 12:19:45 PM
Recording peoples whispers has NEVER been brought up. This news needs to be spread.

Like I said it totally is not news.
All games that have some kind of moderation do it and that is a good way to catch pedophiles amongst other things.
At least IL keeps your whispers from admins unless some really big shit happens in which case he just digs out the time period where the stuff we want to check happened.
Most games will just make a tool for admins to look at anyone's messages on the fly whenever they want with ease.
Name any MMO or popular game that has dedicated servers and you can bet they do it...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: The_0ne_Cr0w on November 24, 2020, 12:57:44 PM
You all speak of corruption and evil admin... This is a private server. If you guys are not comfortable sharing what's normally shared to all the big servers in the world then just gtfo. I've been here for like a month and all I hear is some narrow minded growing-ups boomerangers crying about normal stuff  :ok_hand:

No wonder why new players don't stay.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: Cel on November 24, 2020, 01:01:01 PM
Nice work exposing Blid and Tora as liars.  Cel should be a admin and remove Tora and blid.  Let’s have a vote.
Well although I could not totally clear Blid then because I hadn't checked IPs locations yet. I just did, and actually neither Derber, Blid, Jordan and Thumb$ used VPNs that night. They all played from different states. Not even mentioning Thumb$ who was playing from a completely different country.

As for Tora I dont know if he lied or not when he said Jordan switched IPs with derber in the past.
Because like I said I only got to check that time frame from july to september and so maybe it happened further in the past and I would not be able to tell.
All I can say is from these log files in that game Angel was using his own IP and 00Jordanus was in fact Thumb$ and Derber logged after Thumb$ logged in as 00Jordanus.

And please no, I dont want to be admin I am just trying to help people see this through the best I can because it has to stop somehow...

Also @van the logs say you could have seen Blid right before the game with Thumb$ playing as 00Jordanus happened, is this your recollection of what happened? Or are you 100% sure you saw him after that game?

If Van is sure he saw it after the game not before then the question becomes: is there a known client buffering that could explain the client saving the state of the channel and just showing it back up when you return to the channel after a game before it updates? In which case it could be just that, otherwise it is Van's word vs IL's word pretty much at this point which sucks...
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 01:41:44 PM
Tora ratted you out for giving him access.

You are putting words in my mouth and rambling. Posting a couple select messages from FB doesn’t prove anything FYI.

Tell me you still think war2 players burned your lawn?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 01:51:13 PM
Tora the rat. Sold out his own master.

Messages YOU said to go ahead and post. Keep being their puppet you scrub.

Funny how this year my grass didn't turn brown.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 02:06:03 PM
1v1 newb? U quit war2 cause u suck at it lol.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 02:40:41 PM
Keep using claws hacks that bypass AH and warvideo.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 02:44:17 PM
1v1 no hacks needed to beat u lmao. Let’s play.

You think you can take me?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 02:45:38 PM
You have played 24/7 for years now and still have a 1300 elo rating. You are the definition of a scrub.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 02:50:10 PM
You have played 24/7 for years now and still have a 1300 elo rating. You are the definition of a scrub.

Let’s 1s. Bo11 winner pays loser $150.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 24, 2020, 03:23:50 PM
I will take you up on that offer, loser pays burnt the 150 buck to do our Ch0ppy memorial on that sunday in jan. We gotta plan now or something else will be on his schedule. Nothing would please me more than having 2 ch0ppy tourneys so please feel free to host your own.   I might even let you win like i always do. "why do i win when i smrf everytime but if I play on my name i never win." Come lose woofy I challenge you same thing. You both know i will crush you with humans. Go watch Xurnt crush kyle in 1v1 before i take it down. Its a previously unreleased game with with bith Xurnt and Kyle on voice that I am sure he cryed about too much for it to be released public. I remember when SPB beat him in HSC he threated to have us removed from war2 if I published it. Looks like you are doing a pretty good job of that against Xurnt whether he won or lost. Also i saw that van posted something. We should mute him for 24 hours regardless of what he posted cuz [z] = poop and [as] is the best. I thankyou cel if you are being respectful to xurnt and all that he has done for you. It really means a lot to me. You dual commentated that SPB vrs Kyle game and swift was very rude to you in it if I remember correctly. In fact I couldn't watch any more games because they banned you and I had your back so couldn't watch either. Woofy I have been asking for replays from you for years, way before you spent that time pretending to be willing to 1v1 just because you knew how much it hurt me when you would laugh and log off. Go look at the ss.war2 page. One of the last ss's were of me crushing you , and you asking for an ss. I explain to you why I have that chip on my shoulder. Its from your asshole joke. FUck you and i really am sorry that it was ch0ppy who died and not you. He was a good man. I repsect and value you, but do not act like Xurnt is the first admin to be an asshole to someone.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 24, 2020, 03:27:49 PM
Also i forgot that tolean is way better than dar.

YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nZyemRSN-A#)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: justinschmidt on November 24, 2020, 03:54:30 PM
Come pay for your friends tourney. I am not going to lose.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 03:58:33 PM
No I 1s u enough Justin. Xurnt always dodges me.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 04:03:53 PM
Asking me to play when I'm boycotting your corrupt server is hardly a dodge. I've owned you everytime we played in the past plus the steam rolls on free castles lawl.

I've payed yamon more than 150 for pizza's your money doesnt mean shit to me.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 04:24:30 PM
Asking me to play when I'm boycotting your corrupt server is hardly a dodge. I've owned you everytime we played in the past plus the steam rolls on free castles lawl.

I've payed yamon more than 150 for pizza's your money doesn't mean shit to me.

$400. We can have someone else hold onto it. $800 pot total.
Show me. You mainly played me when I was 1-2 years in. You always refused to play me in the past couple years. Keep in mind I only started playing BNE in 2015.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 04:26:47 PM
Asking me to play when I'm boycotting your corrupt server is hardly a dodge.

Oh please. You just stopped playing cause you got tired of losing.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 05:00:31 PM
You are a scrub. You have never beaten me and you never will.

http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT)[z]&player2=coke
http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2=cherrycoke (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2=cherrycoke)
http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2=~tora~ (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2=~tora~)
http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2={dbc}moonrocks (http://ladder.war2.ru/record.php?player1=XuRnT&player2={dbc}moonrocks)
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 05:12:01 PM
lmao that proves nothing bo11 GOW?

I raise to $1000. $2000 pot.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 05:15:49 PM
Keep begging for a match. You are never going to get one. You are so pathetic you had to smurf your way into the {dbc} clan lmao.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 05:31:35 PM
No redneck from Indiana could ever outspend the Tora.

Your a butcher that never went to college and probably didn't graduate High School. If you can't afford my bet it's ok.
Let me know if that wife whom you worship refuses to let you put anything up. I'll put $1000 in the pot and since you claim you are a lot better than me you have nothing to lose.

1v1 newb?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 05:37:30 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/EyZsogA.jpg)

Guy with untraceable hacks wants a series for thousands of dollars LOL

Just reminisce over all the beat downs I've given you in the past
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 05:42:49 PM
You edited that. I never said that. Keep dodging and making stuff up loser.

$1000 newb. You beat me you get to make that wife who's cock you suck every night very happy.
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 05:49:59 PM
You edited that. I never said that. Keep dodging and making stuff up loser.

LOL
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: O4L on November 24, 2020, 05:58:10 PM
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 05:58:31 PM
$1000 newb and all you gotta do is beat me bo11 garden of war on EF speed.

Do you dodge?
Title: Re: wc2 utube channel
Post by: ~ToRa~ on November 24, 2020, 06:19:22 PM
Xurnt dodges let all future generations read about his dodge in the goldmine.