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defend their title against the #2: TBD
qualifying gamesworking the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?
defend their title against the #2: TBD
rules? BO? / KOTH? / demotion to #? / ... so much unsaidQuotequalifying gamesworking the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?
P.S.
Also wondering why always spam this section when there (https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?board=18.0) is a more appropriate one. Maybe it would be worth starting to use it for its intended purpose?
Title defenses work as programmed into the existing ladder. I think it's a bo5. Demotions are down to rank 10.defend their title against the #2: TBD
rules? BO? / KOTH? / demotion to #? / ... so much unsaidQuotequalifying gamesworking the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?
P.S.
Also wondering why always spam this section when there (https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?board=18.0) is a more appropriate one. Maybe it would be worth starting to use it for its intended purpose?
what is TBD? prolly played the map but ive forgotten.Hah it's short for To Be Determined. Map etc I'm listening for feedback. I should be able to customize which games get recorded (not guaranteed, but I think so), however if I change from the standard to any custom settings, those will be the only games the ladder records during this season. I think that's probably fine.
Would be fun if gow will be just disabled
Yeah, so there's two things:
1) We're only currently counting non-GOW BNE/classic maps.
2) The rungs currently need fixing. We need to make it so unranked players (which will be everyone) get slotted into the ladder after they play a game that counts. iL said I'm more familiar with the ladder so asked me to do it, but the ftp login info he sent me didn't work, so he tried something and I still can't get in. I apologize for the delay. Not 100% certain but I do think I can fix it quickly once I get access.
Very sorry it's taking so long! my initial assumption was that it would already rank people correctly, as long as their current ranks were null. But I think instead the code adds unraked people to the ranks correctly when they play their first game, not when their rank is null, so I think I just need to add like "|| rank = null" to the new player section of the code... and then reset everyone back to null ranks again.
restore the ladder :fro:
Give me his home address and I'll send the Russian mafia to him >:DLol
Give me his home address and I'll send the Russian mafia to him >:DLeave droid Alone!
Maciek (#1) defeated Adam-w (#2) on "Gold Separates East&West L" 19:29:16 on 06/26/2021.i changed it so that GOW games still DO get recorded. however you see all those people sitting at rank 0 despite playing... the GOW games are getting recorded into your game history, because i figured you all would still want that. however the only players that actually got rankings were the ones playing gseps. and the winner got rank 1 and the loser rank 2. seems right...? it's working maybe!
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 19:13:26 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 19:02:21 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:56:16 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:49:16 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:33:14 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:13:36 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:01:17 on 06/26/2021.
Don't you worry my friend, that is just what we're doing. i will get all the unranked people removed from the main standings page - they will only be on a backup page. so the only people on the main standings will be the active ones. AND i plan to do a new season after this one with a different map requirement, resetting the ladder and making everyone unranked again, and so on. So the ladder will keep getting cleared out for every "season" but all the old records and players will be retained on back-up
Everything seem to work fine now!
Thanks!
That Would be great if you also can delete the game report in every profile players... When you click on a name in the ladder it bring you to the individual games reports player, but old games reports are still there. Wich is really confusing!
Would be cool to only have games reports from this season.
Also for future improvement if you guys got time and motivation.
Wg always talk about IGL, and there something really great about igl..
[url]http://www.igl.net/war2/[/url] ([url]http://www.igl.net/war2/[/url])
THey call this hall of fame but i think its more like a records pages.
It would be great if someone could build a script for a kind of record pages like that on the ladder.war2.ru website.
We could make different records..
More wins with orc, more wins with humans, winning streak, Highest elo, Most win on gow ef, most win on pos, most wins on b2b etc etc etc.
This kind of records will bring peoples to be more open on different maps and races without banning old gow from the ladder.
After a season we could also make a Random map tournament with every winner of every different reccords..
This records pages will bring alot of new things to the ladder, alot of motivation for new players and will open peoples to play different setting race and map.
I dont think it will be so hard since the ladder is also link and relate to the war2ru server game report.
Anyway thanks for the work you done here, its already a big big step!
Yeah when players get added to the new seasonal scoreboard, most people are moved in with 0 score instead of the default 1300, while a select few are getting 1300.
if only my primary computer didn't block ladder.war2.ru I would’ve fiddled with it much sooner :/ Makes it much harder to do work on this as much as I'd want to. I just took a stab at correcting it
you were one of the main people who suggested seasons in the first place right?
What do you mean?
But you’ve never told me the issue. Can you explain?? You said something about an SQL error and I quoted it and asked what page you were getting it on. Now it sounds like you’re saying games aren’t counting, but then where are you seeing the error? Like I need some info here if I’m going to have any chance of fixing it!
But you’ve never told me the issue. Can you explain?? You said something about an SQL error and I quoted it and asked what page you were getting it on. Now it sounds like you’re saying games aren’t counting, but then where are you seeing the error? Like I need some info here if I’m going to have any chance of fixing it!
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search[/url])
You surely did something to having this happening, no reason why it happen to me more then any other ones, stop trolling.
The proof that you are trolling is the fact that you keep trying to act like if you did nothing and you dont even know wich error i speak, if you do a normal search on the ladder for my name it bring you directly to that error.
I think Nox has a mild case of schizophrenia
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE[/url])[WaSTed]
ive played gow with my wasted nick and theyve been recorded ??
Warning: In one week I will come through and demote all those in the top 20 with no qualifying game in the last 10 days by 30 spots, while if #1 does not defend his title by then he will be demoted by 10 spots.Standings have been flushed
Yes, you can play, get ranked, and move up in the standings, become a champion!!! You can play and it's working.
"64 points"-- Elo is meaningless except for fun. we're not ranking by elo. but i already said i need to take another look at it. Ill add the starting 1300 to your score manually and youll be fine. meanwhile ill take another crack at fixing the issue when i get the chance. i only have the opportunity to work on this once in awhile, and i put in some changes last time that i thought might handle this but i guess they didnt. ill try again soon
You're not being very nice Equinox. It's the first season so just consider this a beta. I put this together for people like you and it took some effort. I'm not ignoring issues and have already made other updates and fixed other issues. I will adjust your elo and you'll be fine, and I'll take another look at the issue causing some players to start @ 0.
Also, elo is expressly NOT how we are naming champions or ranking players, it's just a column at the end of the standings for people's enjoyment, but I'm glad you like it.
You shouldn't abuse people who are trying to contribute, because that makes it no fun to contribute. You were added to the ladder as soon as you played a non-GOW game, which is how it works. Same with Ripe. I already fixed your elo score. It's all good.
Work is incremental. I'm very busy and can't access the site on my regular computer, but we're making progress. All the games get counted and players get ranked fine. Your elo also will be fine from here. The ladder and the season are pretty much in good working condition, and i should know how to easily reset the ladder and put in new restrictions for future seasons, which will be fun. Winners at the end can be added to the champions page, it'll be cool.
Now I'm not a programmer, and never have done any coding outside of this project, but i learned a little and built this just for this community. I thought I found the issue with the elo and corrected it but apparently not. Again, this is not my trade and im not a pro at this, but I will try again. Please try to have some patience and some manners.
Well, this is the first season of a new project, and the new season model is basically fully functional and working. Im very busy in my personal life and have limited access as well, as ive already said, so you will just have to bear with us with the small bugs. That's just the facts and they aren't changing.
LOlllllll imagine Equinox as admin he will insult all of you np yup
The fuck are you kidding me ELO is the most important ranking, no thanks im not gonna support lazy trash working.
The fuck are you kidding me ELO is the most important ranking, no thanks im not gonna support lazy trash working.
Elo is a shit ranking system and has been since the advent of modern online games. It's designed for a completely different environment in an age where the internet didnt even exist let alone online games (1940s). ELO is easily saturated/exploited by "grinding" points from lower ranked players which is backwards to how one should gain rank. A ladder rating system is a far better ranking system for CURRENT players in an online environment. ELO is nothing more than a fun aspect of modern gaming systems that suffer from the "grinding" problem. When you're playing a game in-person that can take hours or even days to complete, ELO becomes much more accurate. But when you're playing an online game that can end in 5 minutes, it's completely worthless. The original BNET SC/War2 ladders proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt in very painful ways. The Champions of the BNE ladder were mostly no-name 24x7 point grinders with the exception of the first few ladder seasons.
Ladder systems reward those who actually beat higher ranked players. Elo rewards those who have the most time to waste. Modern games use ELO not because it's a good system, but because its GOOD FOR BUSINESS. What better way to make money than to encourage people to play your shit game 24x7 to grind points, especially if it's a subscription based game (such as WoW). It also helps the game become more popular as it keeps players online for as long as possible which can artificially increase a game's perceived "popularity". The more people online, the more likely you're going to stay online as well. The fewer people there are to play with, the more likely you are to log off also. So dont confuse ELO with superiority when it comes to Ranking players vs a Ladder ranking system. It's simply a pointless argument.
You just cant trick and cheat elo in 1v1, elo is base on ur personal performance, you can play whatever trash you want and try to abbuse it, but you will never reach best players if you dont play them and dont beat them.
You just cant trick and cheat elo in 1v1, elo is base on ur personal performance, you can play whatever trash you want and try to abbuse it, but you will never reach best players if you dont play them and dont beat them.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiight, so this is why stuff like this exists on thah interwebz: https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/)
Pay VERY close attention to how much emphasis it places on TIME rather than RANK OF PLAYERS YOU PLAY.
Nox, ELO is not for online games. It's a BUSINESS decision to attract players under the guise that it's actually ranking people when it really isnt. All it does is reward those who have the most time to waste. Thats why there are literally 100s of guides online on how to "grind" elo points for just about every game you can think of that uses ELO as a ranking system. You wont find such a guide for a Ladder system because its NOT POSSIBLE to "grind" up a ladder without playing players above you. Its mathematically not possible where as it's VERY possible with ELO which is why there are "howtos" on how to do just that. Cheat the system.
it's like this... you can beat up weaker players and never play anyone better than you, and this will still keep boosting your ELO. You just have to keep playing a bunch. On the other hand you can't climb a rungs-based ladder without beating people ranked above you.
Now, i will say, since literally every 1v1 game is recorded on our ladder and nobody cares about maximizing elo (and doesn't care much about rung rankings either) we don't really have the problem of dodging, so elo ends up looking pretty good as a measure of skill.
winning 3 points per games instead of 32.
Well, this is the first season of a new project, and the new season model is basically fully functional and working. Im very busy in my personal life and have limited access as well, as ive already said, so you will just have to bear with us with the small bugs. That's just the facts and they aren't changing.
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.
gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.
gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.
gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking
You know I have stayed out this thread up to this point but I think I do need to side with EQ.
This whole ladder redone has been a random zoo for weeks.
I get the premises unfortunately aside u8 nobody plays anything other than Gow and have little interest to.
I think it is better to just put the ladder back to the way it was before all these changes came about but that’s my opinion.
Player East_ok:
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok[/url])
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That's my current plans anyway, unless we get a flood of people saying they actually care about rankings on the old format.
Since when did blid hijack warcraft 2heh a few people requested this and i thought it would be fun so I tried to implement it! I don't want to abandon it immediately unless there's enough feedback to that effect
Flood in war2 speak just means a handful of people haha. But there's been a few people expressing some support too, so i'm not hearing a clear consensus to dump the project. like i said, though, i will enable GOW for the September season which i think will satisfy a lot of people. Then we'll go from there.That's my current plans anyway, unless we get a flood of people saying they actually care about rankings on the old format.
Blid are you serious? Who actually supports this ladder idea of yours?
“Flood of people” lol we only have 20-40 active players most of which aren’t even watching the forums. Lmfao.
Since when did blid hijack warcraft 2
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.
with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.
u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.
swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Most maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitcjust because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.
with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.
u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.
swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Most maps uMost maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitcjust because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.
with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.
u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.
swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Just ban u8 from the server, this dude brainwash everyone and it kill the game.+1
How the hell the most famous hacker of all time is leading the server, good one.
Most maps uMost maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitcjust because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.
with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.
u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.
swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
You answered your own question, most classic maps. No one plays the ladder maps and not all classic maps were remade there. Most people play Gseps which is very imbalanced in itself not to mention extremely repetitive. Without GOW as the staple map this game died 10 years ago and that's a fact.
Also looks like ripe has play 9 games on the new ladder system since it's been out, he's really making full use of it :\
Most maps uMost maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitcjust because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.
with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.
u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.
swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
You answered your own question, most classic maps. No one plays the ladder maps and not all classic maps were remade there. Most people play Gseps which is very imbalanced in itself not to mention extremely repetitive. Without GOW as the staple map this game died 10 years ago and that's a fact.
Also looks like ripe has play 9 games on the new ladder system since it's been out, he's really making full use of it :\
I disagree, lot of people left special new people cause we are playing only gow/chop, our biggest problem is bad manner special for new players, on modern games people like equinox would be banned
since there is no reply from blid and his ladder project is dead, it feels like one of the main features is missing for months now. i think this hurts the game.It's possible to restore victory conditions (gow) to count new gow games as ladder.
@iL
is it possible for you or another admin to restore the old ladder? would a separate non-gow ladder be possible? deleting the main reason this game still exists (gow) from ladder sounds like a very bad idea to me
since there is no reply from blid and his ladder project is dead, it feels like one of the main features is missing for months now. i think this hurts the game.It's possible to restore victory conditions (gow) to count new gow games as ladder.
@iL
is it possible for you or another admin to restore the old ladder? would a separate non-gow ladder be possible? deleting the main reason this game still exists (gow) from ladder sounds like a very bad idea to me
Not sure how to count games already played