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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: tk[as] on July 25, 2021, 07:03:16 PM

Title: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 25, 2021, 07:03:16 PM
Regardless of how you feel about Burnt ... he made that facebook page. He spent money advertising it. Probably close to $500.. if not more. He got all of the old school war2 players there. He invited the new ones. He added nearly all of the content.

It has value. He put value into it. Taking ownership without permission from the owner/creator is called stealing. That facebook group does not belong to you. It never did. Give it back to Burnt.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: van on July 26, 2021, 12:04:21 AM
I agree he wasn’t even a admin it was me and burnt only as Admins and he used some link from the two pages to  un admin us both.  It’s his page not the communities, there is two separate groups.  Tk give him a ban from the server til he gives it back to him.  Np :ok_hand:
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Zelya on July 26, 2021, 02:42:27 AM
Give it back to Burnt.
To post more gym videos?
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: justinschmidt on July 26, 2021, 04:16:01 AM

Posted by: Zelya
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Quote from: tk[as] on July 25, 2021, 07:03:16 PM
Give it back to Burnt.
To post more gym videos?

Zeyla - XuRnT has already opened war2combat youtube to everyone again so they can grow it and  have access to the content they contributed so far. I watch every video that nik5et and f*ckluck make, but am tired of being the only other one spending time to make videos. We would be thankful and honored if any anyone wanted to download all of the content for future preservation. I am sorry I removed all of the russians as admins from the youtube channel especially since no one has asked for it back.

Ritalin - XuRnT promised you he wouldn't remove you. He kept his word and didn't know you were removed until I told him. I think he told me he was gonna reinstate you and called me an instigator. No one has apologized except van, who is sorry for owning too much in this attached jpeg

I am sorry

PS Buy a lifetime membership for only 5$ harold wanglers (and others) to say you are sorry
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:25:48 AM
Give it back to Burnt.
To post more gym videos?

It doesn't matter what he does with it. It's his. Whether we agree with it or not. Ritalin stole it from him. Twice now
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:31:27 AM
If Ritalin wants a Warcraft 2 Facebook page with lots of users and lots of content than he needs to go out and spend the time/money/energy to create one. Not steal it from someone else. The end.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:40:36 AM
If Burnts Facebook page isnt returned today I'll be starting a poll to see how the community feels about a  ban on Ritalin until it is returned.

But the really messed up part is I dont think ritalin even plays war2. So it would be more symbolic I guess.

Dude don't even play war2, but has the balls to steal from members of the war2 community.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:42:01 AM
But if the community supports it, I'll lock all accounts and any IP addresses until its returned.. assuming he doesnt make it right today.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 06:54:07 AM
Make the poll cause I don’t support it.

Say what you want to say about Ritalin but he advertising the game.
Xurnt isn’t doing anything for the game.
Idk how this FB page came about but you can’t ban Ritalin or lock ip addresses etc.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:03:32 AM
We will see if Ritalin gives it back or not. I will make the pool at the end of the day if not. Just to be clear Ritalin used to be admin on my Facebook Warcraft 2 page with even more users than burnt Facebook page. He never made any contributions to it. The only thing he did was add other admins that ended up removing me for literally no reason. From my own Facebook page.

Even after that I left him as an editor on my Facebook page which gives him a whole lot of control to do anything with content that he wants to do. It's been probably a couple years now and he has never done anything with it. So there will be no benefit to the community if Ritalin is allowed to steal and maintain a Facebook page that never belonged to him
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:11:49 AM
We will see if Ritalin gives it back or not. I will make the pool at the end of the day if not. Just to be clear Ritalin used to be admin on my Facebook Warcraft 2 page with even more users than burnt Facebook page. He never made any contributions to it. The only thing he did was add other admins that ended up removing me for literally no reason. From my own Facebook page.

Even after that I left him as an editor on my Facebook page which gives him a whole lot of control to do anything with content that he wants to do. It's been probably a couple years now and he has never done anything with it. So there will be no benefit to the community if Ritalin is allowed to steal and maintain a Facebook page that never belonged to him

Sounds like you got a person grievance with Ritalin. I don’t know all the details of it but I will say this.
The server was started by IL so then does it belong to IL? I would say no and I think he and most players would agree. The server is a community abd no single person “owns” it.

Xurnt may have started that Facebook page but other players have been maintaining it over the years.
Can’t come back and be like “I own this I’m shutting it down.” Ritalin like all of us are active and inactive at times.
I see nothing wrong with him coming back to advertise the game. (Especially considering the one you want to give the advertising rights back to has openly declared he hates the server and wants it to die.)
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:16:58 AM
I literally just said I left him as editor. If I had a personal grievance against him what I give him any type of high-level control over my page? I have a problem with people stealing things that don't belong to them. That's what I have a problem with. If you or anybody else is pretending that this is about putting a Facebook page in the hands of somebody else who is likely to do something productive with it you are just lying to yourself and the rest of the community. That is not what this is about. This is about stealing something from somebody that you don't like. If there are any grievances here it is you and some other people against Burns. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend like I'm not super disappointed in a lot of things burnt has done, but that does not justify stealing anything from him.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:20:20 AM
It's not mine. It's not yours. We didn't create it. We didn't put money into it. It's not Ritalin. This is a childish attack on burnt. Retaliation for some of the things he has done in the way he has acted. If Ritalin doesn't give it back I assure you that in one or two months it will essentially be a dead Facebook group. Just like it has been while Ritalin was admin of it prior to this, and just like my page was when he was admin on that. This is just some petty b******* to make burnt mad and steal something from him. Yeah f*** that
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:26:09 AM
It's not mine. It's not yours. We didn't create it. We didn't put money into it. It's not Ritalin. This is a childish attack on burnt. Retaliation for some of the things he has done in the way he has acted. If Ritalin doesn't give it back I assure you that in one or two months it will essentially be a dead Facebook group. Just like it has been while Ritalin was admin of it prior to this, and just like my page was when he was admin on that. This is just some petty b******* to make burnt mad and steal something from him. Yeah f*** that


Lol this isn’t an attack by Ritilin on Xurnt man….lol.
Ritalin just wants to advertise the game and he is using the war2combat Facebook page is all it is……Like I said this seems to have less to do with the war2combat FB group and more about getting back at Ritalin for how he wronged you awhile back…
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:30:53 AM
I have twice as many users on my Facebook page. I told Ritalin he could advertise as much on there is he wants. And make any changes. Different designs. Upload any content. If you are going to advertise something wouldn't you want to reach a larger audience? I'm also assuming Ritalin has had admin abilities on burnt Facebook page for a while now. He is perfectly capable of advertising anything he wants to advertise on that page. He did not have to steal it from burnt. The creator of. The person that put the most time and energy into it. That is no excuse
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:31:24 AM
He stole something that didn't belong to him.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:34:58 AM
There is nothing stopping anybody in this community from creating their own Facebook page. Their own YouTube channel. Their own server. Their own Forum. Their own ladder. But apparently some of them would rather just steal somebody else's after they laid the foundation input into all the work
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:51:57 AM
Ok TK whatever your opinions may be this is something not really related the server.
Not like Ritalin hacked or attacked someone on the server.
I don’t think there is a case here to ban and lock Ritalin’s ip addresses for advertising on the war2combat channel regardless of who started it.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 08:00:10 AM
We will see how the community feels about it. If they're cool with ritalin stealing that page so be it
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 08:02:43 AM
Or Ritalin can give it back. Take control of my Facebook page that has more users, and all will be right in the world
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 11:28:38 AM
Last time only I answered people question, I have(had?) Admin also
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Harrywangs on July 26, 2021, 12:02:41 PM
I know nothing about how this works and maybe others feel the same? (I'm assuming)

You gave him admin and he booted you? Then he booted Xurnt? How do you steal a FB page?

So, all FB admins have the same rights and can fuck each other over basically? I also have no idea what this Facebook group is. Just having a bunch of people who used to play on it so that you don't lose contact?

If we're possibly banning him from the server, he must be playing, otherwise it would be futile.

GREENWAVE?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I probably need more details above but I'm not sure I feel this is a banable offense unless this is some official proprietary war2 page. Otherwise, it seems more personal (moral) and something that we shouldn't have justification over. Dick move or not.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Rit on July 26, 2021, 12:19:31 PM
I'm going to need a little time to respond to all of this.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:06:20 PM
Yes. Any admin can remove any admin I believe after they have been admin 30 days.

So for example 30 days after ritalin gave mousey admin to my FB page, she was able to remove me.

FB doesnt give the creator of the page any "super admin" abilities on the FB page.

So basically my understanding is Burnt made the page years ago. Before I was ever an admin on the server.

He invited all of his war2 contacts to the page.. contacts he saved over the years. Emails etc.. he spent a few hundred dollars around the same time I did advertising the FB group to attract new members to the community. He uploaded different videos.. different events.. and at some point gave Ritalin admin access.

Unless ritalin has been smurfing or something.. flying under the radar.. he had no involvement in the community the past years.

Seems he came back out of nowhere, still isnt playing, but seemingly out of the blue took over burnts FB page without his permission. Removed burnt.. and is now editing all of the existing information on it to take it over as his own.


Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:11:15 PM
Why need time? You stole something that didnt belong to you. You've had plenty of time to respond. You've been logged on almost the entire time.

It's a pretty simple explainstion... just get on with it 
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 26, 2021, 01:12:46 PM
i dont know how i feel about rit taking control of the facebook page.  maybe he shouldnt have, maybe it was stealing, idk.  seems to me it's between those guys and facebook though, why is it that the server administration should take a side?
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:18:24 PM
Its definitely server related.

Weren't bans put in place when certain members doxed other members of the community on FB?

if someone were able to get the super admin password for this forum, demoted anyone else that could take it back, would we not be looking to permanently ban that member from the community?

The page is a part of this community that Ritalin had no right to steal. Just like this forum is a part of the community that ultimately belongs to il.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:19:24 PM
If we dont agree with what iL does with the forum.. or disagree with something he does outside the forum.. it doesnt give anyone the right to hijack it. Right?
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 01:20:08 PM
burnt wanted kill it, I dont see past 2 years that he removed someone from admins



Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:21:16 PM
But.. we can make a new forum if we aren't happy. Just like Rit had the ability to make his own war2 FB page. But he didnt do that. He took over what someone else already built without their permission
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:22:17 PM
burnt wanted kill it, I dont see past 2 years that he removed someone from admins

I dont know how true that is.. but even if it were true.. it's his to kill. It belongs to him.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 01:23:51 PM
dear god no there was X people who helped him

tk stop drink/take drugs/smoke weed or you will be dumb soon as equinox

both of you are playing 20? years and you both dont know basic like heal coil 50 hp

(https://i.ibb.co/nQr0CYg/tkisstupid.png) (https://ibb.co/mhJB82D)


burnt edited webside link from en.war2.ru to nascar.com, I dont see also (expect yesterday) that he(rit) removed ANYONE from admins
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:28:46 PM
He created it. He put almost all of the work into it. He financed all advertising for it with his own money. It's his. Nobody else's. He can do what he wants with it because it's his.

If someone isnt happy about that, they can make their own very easily. Not steal something that belongs to someone else.


I wasn't happy with it years ago. I made another one.

I wasn't happy with the forum years ago. I made another one.

Tupac wasn't happy with our server. He made another one.

Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
he didnt remove anyone from admin - which word from that you dont understand that? I will try help
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:32:31 PM
Neither me or burnt have admin abilities on there.

What do you not understand about that
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 01:41:54 PM
Tk what’s going on? You have been writing essays all morning about how Ritalin did xyz and needs to be banned…Not like you.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:53:21 PM
It's always been like me 2 stand up for somebody who just got f***** over. I hate thieves. I hate liars. I hate cheaters. I'm not even a big fan of burnt and I know this is wrong. I'm not going to do nothing about it
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 01:54:17 PM
If it happened to anybody else in the community I would be doing the exact same thing
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
It's always been like me 2 stand up for somebody who just got f***** over. I hate thieves. I hate liars. I hate cheaters. I'm not even a big fan of burnt and I know this is wrong. I'm not going to do nothing about it

Idk man it feels very personal almost like you got a personal vendetta against Ritalin and less to do with anything he did to Xurnt.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 02:02:56 PM
The dude is still a editor on my facebook page. I literally said I'd give it to him in place of burnts. So I'm not sure how you would come to that conclusion.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 02:07:57 PM
A guy that has had full access to my war2 FB group, and burnts FB group has done little to nothing with either one of them over the last few years. He isnt/hasn't been involved with the community in at least a couple years as far as I know.. and then he takes a war2 page (game he's not even involved with) from the person who created it.


If that doesnt bother you.. then we either have a completely different set of values, or you dislike burnt so much that you're willing to justify Ritalin actions.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 02:12:16 PM
If that doesnt bother you.. then we either have a completely different set of values, or you dislike burnt so much that you're willing to justify Ritalin actions.

Well I mean Xurnt isn’t here making endless posts demanding the war2combat FB page given to him with and xyz.
That’s why I’m saying something feels off here.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 02:15:01 PM
He made a post about how Ritalin stole it. Ritalin implied the same thing to me a week or ago when I was half paying attention. 

Doesnt seem like many others will stick up for him... so I will.  Not because I like burnt or dislike rit.. it's just the right thing to do so that's what I'm going to do.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 02:20:08 PM
@iL  @Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)  @tk[as] 

 I feel backstabbed. Not just by Blid, Tora, tk and iL. By a small vocal portion of the community.

Wonder why I'm pissed?

You turned your backs on me because I'm a nice guy. Van needs friends too. But you take my friendship with him and look down on me. Van texts me all the time to see how I'm doing. Stays a real friend. Van never talks shit to you if you treat him with respect. Van might have raged more times on me then anyone else as his partner yet you can't handle his words.

The thing is because of my relationship with van you have let the admins in charge take total power over the server and release a dictatorship over things.

You have let them mute me because of nothing. There is a General Discussion and a Moderated section of this forum. Just like the War2occult forums that they claimed to be. They have the War2occult grunt in the corner of the forums. Blid muted me for nothing and Tora muted me after I made a thread saying to unmute Equinox. Did nothing wrong.

iL has stood by and done nothing for punishment. There have been no apologies.

Ritalin has stolen my Facebook groups and pages that I put money into. None of you speak up.

Let me take a second to give you my war2 resume. There is a reason that
I've played probably less then 10% of the games that most of you played. I spent my time promoting this game. Doing things that most of you have probably had no idea that I was doing.

Talked Ldir into starting the server.

I use to collect AIM aol instant messanger names of War2 players. Connected to thousands to come to the server.

Collected MSN names.

Scrounge through archive.org for players emails. Thousands on a emailing list.

Advertised on myspace.

Advertised on YouTube videos of anything RTS videos to thousands of videos.

Pioneered warcraft 2 YouTube videos.

Commentaries.

Hosted hundreds of tournaments some of the most prestigious.

Payed thousands in prizes.

Started DHR DW and made z clan for new players.

Played with more new players than anyone else on the server.

Organized new vs new games.

Archived screenshots for nostalgia of the old days.

Gave Yamon pizza money.

Sent messages to thousands of people who mentioned warcraft 2 on Twitter.

Advertised in hundreds of RTS Facebook groups.

Started the warcraft 2 server group Facebook and war2 combat pages.

Advertised to vk members.

Posted on hundreds of forums.

Streamed on twitch Facebook and YouTube.

War2 discord parties.

Advertised all my own tournaments.

I have done more than all of the admins on this server combined. They don't even reach ten percent together.

Yet Tora can mute me and tell me to catch covid.

What I want is results. You can either

A: Pay me 100k in warcraft 2 retirement money.

B: Take down the War2occult grunt.

C: Apologies and demotions.

Don't stand for this corruption. Make your voice heard. I'll be busy working out until then on YouTube.com/war2combat if you support me. I have long been retired and maybe never will play again. My last game was for van who's father passed away. I played that day to support him. I might play vs. Justinschmidt.

So when I'm gone and hundreds of players leave their testimonials to me then remember what side you were on.


He made a mention of it here along with a lot of other random lines that have been all too common for Xurnt.
Look all I'm implying here is this multi hour thread doesn't seem rational. And the other commentators here aside van who will always side with Xurnt have more or less agreed....
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 02:31:06 PM
If rit doesnt give the page back.. we put it to a vote and go from there.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Rit on July 26, 2021, 03:55:46 PM
It wasn't even the gym videos that ended up being the issue. The two times that I removed Burnt as admin were due to sabotage to the group. He got so upset with whoever on the server/forum that he had a childish fit and started changing everything in the group to some extremely irrelevant shit. So I removed him as admin. I think that the reaction I had to this sabotage was pretty justified for any admin in their right mind to do. Not long after I removed him as admin, he started messaging me about how I'm a thief and stole his group. I let him know how disappointed I was with the current state of the server, forums, and Facebook pages. I gave him his admin back and told him to do as he pleased to ruin it.
 
So... recently I noticed that some changes were being made in the Facebook group. Anything related to en.war2.ru was being changed to War2USA. Of course, again, it's because Burnt was upset with the admins and had some childish fit. Now, generally I would have been okay with this and just ignored it. So what? He's changing it to a new server. But this isn't just any server. It's a server that Archer started. The one who hacked RU for everyone's passwords and posted them on a website. Not sure if he's still involved with War2USA. But to top it off, tupac runs this server. And we all know that tupac is notorious for trying to crash the RU server with bots. Not only that, but long ago tupac hosted his own server prior to this one and the goal was to steal passwords. In my own stupidity and ignorance, I created an account on this server with the same password I used on RU. It took me a while to recover my account on RU. So now this server is going to be advertised to all of the followers on the group and facebook pages? When these changes were made, there were a few curious people saying "Wow! There's a USA server now? What happened to RU?" So I'm sitting back wondering if I'm going to allow this to happen so that someone with probable malicious intent can have access to many passwords. And this isn't just some RU security issue, it is an issue with their other online accounts as well if they were to use the same password.
 
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Just to be clear Ritalin used to be admin on my Facebook Warcraft 2 page with even more users than burnt Facebook page. He never made any contributions to it. The only thing he did was add other admins that ended up removing me for literally no reason. From my own Facebook page.
 
Even after that I left him as an editor on my Facebook page which gives him a whole lot of control to do anything with content that he wants to do. It's been probably a couple years now and he has never done anything with it. So there will be no benefit to the community if Ritalin is allowed to steal and maintain a Facebook page that never belonged to him
 
For the record, I was posting every single day on the War2 Tides of Darkness page, War2Combat page, and the War2Server group with scheduled posts that would post to each. I did this for months. I think I even may have hosted a tournament at some point too. But eventually life happened and I was unable to dedicate any more time to it. On very rare occasions, I still post content.
 
I'm not really sure why you seem to have this grudge against me. I added mousEtopher as an admin to the War2 Tides of Darkness page because it was the obvious thing to do for any level headed admins at the time. I'm not even sure if I even knew at the time that this was your page. Perhaps she wasn't aware of this either? I'm not sure why she removed you but it obviously looks like she gave it back to you. Whether you had a cry baby reaction to this (which is what happened) or a mature reaction, I'm sure it would have had the same result with you being added back again. For some reason, your initial reaction is to think that someone has malicious intent to take your page and become the most powerful war2 being in the entire universe. That certainly was not the case there nor is it the case here with Burnt.
 
I think we really need to stop with the this is mine and that is mine mentality. I’m not taking his page and group to make it my own. What I did is try to put it back in the hands of level headed community members who have the right intentions to promote the game. These pages and groups should be for the community and you guys refuse to see it that way due to childish and narcissistic behavior. This entire thread is based on the assumption that I’m the same way. But I’m not.  You’re only concerned about yourselves and it shows. 
 
I’d like to address more in this post but I simply just don’t have the time for it today.  And I will never have the time to sit around and type up a million responses to each and every reply.

I’m sure burnt has been running around to everyone he possibly can trying to make me out to be this terrible human being that has it out for him.  But it’s simply just not true. 

Anyway, have your poll or whatever to ban me from all the things.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 06:23:26 PM
my vote is ban
Spoiler
tk
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:35:44 PM
Your justifications are irrelevant in my opinion.

You took something that didn't belong to you. And that's literally the only thing that matters in my mind.

If you like it, but didnt like the owner.. it was time for you to make your own.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:38:22 PM
my vote is ban
Spoiler
tk

with the direction this community is going.. we will all be self banned within 12 months.. it will look like GOG.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 06:40:28 PM
Your justifications are irrelevant in my opinion.

It is just your opinion at the end of the day.
Make your poll if you want but I don't think you have much of a case here.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: TNARICK on July 26, 2021, 06:47:33 PM
my vote is ban
Spoiler
tk

with the direction this community is going.. we will all be self banned within 12 months.. it will look like GOG.

.RU the server that Tora killed with his admin abuse.

If I would have made this thread it would have been in the flame war section by now. Further proof he is unfit to be a fair admin of the forums.

Demote Tora
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Szwagier on July 26, 2021, 06:50:46 PM
my vote is ban
Spoiler
tk

with the direction this community is going.. we will all be self banned within 12 months.. it will look like GOG.

.RU the server that Tora killed with his admin abuse.

If I would have made this thread it would have been in the flame war section by now. Further proof he is unfit to be a fair admin of the forums.

Demote Tora

You started it when you spam that you owned Swift  or someone log on blid or something like that
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 06:51:17 PM
If I would have made this thread it would have been in the flame war section by now. Further proof he is unfit to be a fair admin of the forums.

This is fairly out of character for TK.
Your a known troll that makes endless crap posts about nothing and constantly brags about all your past accomplishments while openly admitting you don't play war2 and have no intention to ever again.
See the difference? Or is your IQ to low to grasp that?
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 06:59:03 PM
The only thing out of character about what im doing right now is giving a rare shit... I've got countless complaints about you over the last 12 months but i just dont give a shit enough to say/do anything about it. If they go to iL (im assuming they are) and he isnt doing anything ... or if they wont come to the forums and be transparent about what they're upset about.. They're stuck with you.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:05:05 PM
None of this even matters. Server/game is on its last breath. Ritalin isnt going to do shit for the server just like he never has. The only good thing that can come out of this before it finally dies is give the page back to burnt so he can reflect on what he did 10-20 years from now when none of us even think about eachother any more.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:07:00 PM
None of this even matters. Server/game is on its last breath. Ritalin isnt going to do shit for the server just like he never has. The only good thing that can come out of this before it finally dies is give the page back to burnt so he can reflect on what he did 10-20 years from now when none of us even think about eachother any more.

Server isn't dying we been hearing this for last 10 years. It was here last year it will be here next year.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:09:53 PM
If you cant see what's happening your blind or not paying attention.  Its over.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:10:03 PM
The only thing out of character about what im doing right now is giving a rare shit... I've got countless complaints about you over the last 12 months but i just dont give a shit enough to say/do anything about it. If they go to iL (im assuming they are) and he isnt doing anything ... or if they wont come to the forums and be transparent about what they're upset about.. They're stuck with you.

Hey man i'll step down right away if that's what the community wants. Make a poll and ask everyone if they would like me to.
Majority does I will step down without question.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:12:42 PM
If they dont care enough to say it publicly, I dont care enough.

As soon as it becomes too difficult to play in a game that doesnt take 15 mins to join, or join a game with someone you can tolerate.. its over.. and we are right at that point.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:14:26 PM
If they dont care enough to say it publicly, I dont care enough.

As soon as it becomes too difficult to play in a game that doesnt take 15 mins to join, or join a game with someone you can tolerate.. its over.. and we are right at that point.

I do play more games than you do each week. I don't have issues getting games.
Now if I log on at 6am will I get a 4v4? Probably not but I log on now at 7:15pm eastern I can play until I need to knock out and you can to no issues.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: iL on July 26, 2021, 07:15:16 PM
Regardless of how you feel about Burnt ... he made that facebook page. He spent money advertising it. Probably close to $500.. if not more. He got all of the old school war2 players there. He invited the new ones. He added nearly all of the content.

It has value. He put value into it. Taking ownership without permission from the owner/creator is called stealing. That facebook group does not belong to you. It never did. Give it back to Burnt.
Well, I don't know who is the owner (primary owner) of the page, but what I have to say:

Burnt doesn't want to act together with other war2.ru admins, he opposes himself to others. He also uses his onwership for issue ultimatums against others. As happened with youtube channel belongs to him.

I'm very happy we have official war2.ru site/server/discord resources, the main advantage is these resources are being managed by serveral different people who respect each other and that guarantees some stability from someone's emotional impulse.

The problem with resources (like FB group/page, youtube channel) belongs to Burnt, we can't consider them a part of our war2.ru project, we can't invest our forces into these resources, as we can loose them any moment if Burnt decides us unworthy to remove our partnership for some strange reasons.

About ethic side: I think the question is not about the owner, but about people who spent their resources/time to promote/advertise the page.
If you created the page some years ago and then do nothing with it, and other people used to make it popular, you don't have moral right to consider it your own page.
I'm not about Burnt now, I don't mean he didn't pay attention to that page, I just don't know, it's common example.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: TNARICK on July 26, 2021, 07:21:09 PM
IL you let your forum admins mute me and tell me to catch covid. Why the fuck would I support you with my resources.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:23:09 PM
IL you let your forum admins mute me and tell me to catch covid. Why the fuck would I support you with my resources.

I think it's about supporting the community not "IL."
The fact you see IL as the "owner" of war2 server RU and this forum shows your own personality and speaks volumes to your contributions over the years.
You didn't do any of your contributions for the community you did it for yourself and your own ego.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:24:49 PM
Il is the owner of the server wtf ? And the forum lol
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: ~ToRa~ on July 26, 2021, 07:27:45 PM
Il is the owner of the server wtf ? And the forum lol

IL would disagree as would the rest of the community. I don't know why that's such a hard thing to comprehend.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: tk[as] on July 26, 2021, 07:34:19 PM
They can disagree all they want.. but as soon as iL decides he's done with it there's nothing anyone can do about it except try to pay him for the rights to a dead community, or go to USA or GOG.. which are also dead.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: iL on July 26, 2021, 07:38:16 PM
IL you let your forum admins mute me and tell me to catch covid. Why the fuck would I support you with my resources.
I don't think muting you and telling to catch covid was correct. But why not just let them unban and apologize?

When you provide some place to post war2-related videos or some social media, that service should be provided on the declared puprose.
Of course it's your decision how to provide YOUR place, but I'd prefer to not use the place that can disappear with all my content.
I'd say I can accept the risk if you ban me from your social for some reason, but not the risk that social can just disappear.
Though I'd prefer to use the place being managed by sereval people, not the only one person who decides everything.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: iL on July 26, 2021, 08:27:51 PM
Il is the owner of the server wtf ? And the forum lol
Yes, technically I am.
But I never considered the server/forum my own thing.
Server is nothing without community, that's why I think it's OUR server/forum, not mine.
I can guarantee I will never disable/power off the server to achieve some personal goals or whetever.
I'd say that's reasonable behavior for public resource.

Also, I think would be a good practice: when you share some resource for community, you declare: it's for community.
That means you shouldn't just remove any content or the whole resource when you wish. And you should appoint some more admins if community asks you.
That will reduce your personal rights on the recourse, but make others sure their efforts will not just disappear.

Or you should declare: it's your personal page/group, etc.

Unfortunately Burnt's youtube/FB groups/pages have not been declared as personal, many people spent much time promoting/filling them, implicitly considering it's public, and one day shit happened suddenly, when Burnt decided to remove it...
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Rus on July 26, 2021, 08:56:06 PM
All 5 years that I have been on the server-it dies every year. And everyone is going to go to war2usa. Even if the RU server ever dies and there is not a single living player left, I will play with bots, but in the same place . :stuck_out_tongue:
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Harrywangs on July 26, 2021, 09:11:14 PM
IL you let your forum admins mute me and tell me to catch covid. Why the fuck would I support you with my resources.


Oh yes, THIS was the straw that broke the camel's back about you supporting and being a contributing member of the community. Not the swift meltdown event that u8  mentioned...... Try another argument that isn't completely full of shit.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: TNARICK on July 26, 2021, 09:41:00 PM
My pages were all still war2 dedicated until then Harrywangs. Keep being a douche.  The swift stuff is where blid muted me.

Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 26, 2021, 10:06:01 PM
I muted you when you had a psychotic break and thought war2 players were setting van’s farm on fire and poisoning your neighbor’s grass or whatever. It was nothing personal, it was just the right thing to do when you were in that state. It seemed like you needed a break before you got even more lost in fantasy
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: TNARICK on July 26, 2021, 10:49:57 PM
I was fine and what you did was admin abuse. You need to step down like Tora or get rid of the war2occult grunt.

There is a general discussion and a moderated discussion. You moderated me in the general.

Tora muted me for saying to unmute equinox. At least you think you were doing a good thing. Tora just couldn't handle getting owned on the forums time after time again.

First time Tora muted me Justinschmidt set the YouTube vids private. 2nd time he muted me and told me to catçh covid I changed my links on my Facebook group.

Tora is the cause of death of Warcraft 2.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Nox on July 26, 2021, 11:13:23 PM
I muted you when you had a psychotic break

Are you doctor now?
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Delete mine too on July 26, 2021, 11:24:24 PM
It wasn't even the gym videos that ended up being the issue. The two times that I removed Burnt as admin were due to sabotage to the group. He got so upset with whoever on the server/forum that he had a childish fit and started changing everything in the group to some extremely irrelevant shit. So I removed him as admin. I think that the reaction I had to this sabotage was pretty justified for any admin in their right mind to do. Not long after I removed him as admin, he started messaging me about how I'm a thief and stole his group. I let him know how disappointed I was with the current state of the server, forums, and Facebook pages. I gave him his admin back and told him to do as he pleased to ruin it.
 
So... recently I noticed that some changes were being made in the Facebook group. Anything related to en.war2.ru was being changed to War2USA. Of course, again, it's because Burnt was upset with the admins and had some childish fit. Now, generally I would have been okay with this and just ignored it. So what? He's changing it to a new server. But this isn't just any server. It's a server that Archer started. The one who hacked RU for everyone's passwords and posted them on a website. Not sure if he's still involved with War2USA. But to top it off, tupac runs this server. And we all know that tupac is notorious for trying to crash the RU server with bots. Not only that, but long ago tupac hosted his own server prior to this one and the goal was to steal passwords. In my own stupidity and ignorance, I created an account on this server with the same password I used on RU. It took me a while to recover my account on RU. So now this server is going to be advertised to all of the followers on the group and facebook pages? When these changes were made, there were a few curious people saying "Wow! There's a USA server now? What happened to RU?" So I'm sitting back wondering if I'm going to allow this to happen so that someone with probable malicious intent can have access to many passwords. And this isn't just some RU security issue, it is an issue with their other online accounts as well if they were to use the same password.
 
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Just to be clear Ritalin used to be admin on my Facebook Warcraft 2 page with even more users than burnt Facebook page. He never made any contributions to it. The only thing he did was add other admins that ended up removing me for literally no reason. From my own Facebook page.
 
Even after that I left him as an editor on my Facebook page which gives him a whole lot of control to do anything with content that he wants to do. It's been probably a couple years now and he has never done anything with it. So there will be no benefit to the community if Ritalin is allowed to steal and maintain a Facebook page that never belonged to him

For the record, I was posting every single day on the War2 Tides of Darkness page, War2Combat page, and the War2Server group with scheduled posts that would post to each. I did this for months. I think I even may have hosted a tournament at some point too. But eventually life happened and I was unable to dedicate any more time to it. On very rare occasions, I still post content.
 
I'm not really sure why you seem to have this grudge against me. I added mousEtopher as an admin to the War2 Tides of Darkness page because it was the obvious thing to do for any level headed admins at the time. I'm not even sure if I even knew at the time that this was your page. Perhaps she wasn't aware of this either? I'm not sure why she removed you but it obviously looks like she gave it back to you. Whether you had a cry baby reaction to this (which is what happened) or a mature reaction, I'm sure it would have had the same result with you being added back again. For some reason, your initial reaction is to think that someone has malicious intent to take your page and become the most powerful war2 being in the entire universe. That certainly was not the case there nor is it the case here with Burnt.
 
I think we really need to stop with the this is mine and that is mine mentality. I’m not taking his page and group to make it my own. What I did is try to put it back in the hands of level headed community members who have the right intentions to promote the game. These pages and groups should be for the community and you guys refuse to see it that way due to childish and narcissistic behavior. This entire thread is based on the assumption that I’m the same way. But I’m not.  You’re only concerned about yourselves and it shows. 
 
I’d like to address more in this post but I simply just don’t have the time for it today.  And I will never have the time to sit around and type up a million responses to each and every reply.

I’m sure burnt has been running around to everyone he possibly can trying to make me out to be this terrible human being that has it out for him.  But it’s simply just not true. 

Anyway, have your poll or whatever to ban me from all the things.

Atleast I can say you joined some shit server I made in my childhood. And we can say you stole burnts account as an adult. Intime you lost your foothold as I gained mine.

Archer has never contributed too war2usa ever. I could of installed his hole punch way before ru made one... if you didn't use his code :)

Now you're false accusations about bots. Are you sure you aren't the bot person? Makes sense you been around long enough and know how to abuse the system.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Delete mine too on July 26, 2021, 11:30:22 PM
Ritalin is a dirty malicious hacking botter. The apple didn't fall far from the tree did it. You thief how could you steal an account and try to reference me rofl! You rotten freak loser. Hacker cyber criminal theif!!!! Off with your hands.
Title: Re: Rit alin is a fucking theif
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 27, 2021, 06:09:37 AM
I was fine and what you did was admin abuse. You need to step down like Tora or get rid of the war2occult grunt.
You werent fine man