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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #30 on: September 19, 2017, 10:02:51 PM »
But Lambchops didn't even say he believed in it; he said he didn't really but that it'd be nice.

Yes. One thing I am sure of is that humans aren't infallible, and that if God exists, none of the human religions (Christian/Muslim/Judaism/Bhuddism etc.) have 100% got it right. So if I do ever meet God I'm pretty sure she will be something else entirely.

As for the world being messed up, surely for a creator, the only point in creating something is to give it free will and see what it does by itself, otherwise it's not a creation - it's a mural.
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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2017, 07:21:23 PM »
from what i found out you dont meet god at all.....and he likes you to be holy as he is..well gone back general listening to music ill be there by meself.

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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2017, 08:15:56 PM »
i know u got some haunted locations in aus..

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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2017, 08:42:08 PM »
my main objective is to own all our haunted houses in my family..but my dam dog killed my great aunts ducks she still hates me ..im out of the house that raised all my family roots

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2017, 09:16:58 PM »
its why your a thinker and not a psychic

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2017, 09:33:15 PM »
al copone was a liar lol yeah right

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« Reply #36 on: September 23, 2017, 10:03:32 PM »
im bitchy its a trait ..everyone is one the same page how great :thumbsup:

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #37 on: September 23, 2017, 10:18:46 PM »
but fixing to go to the bar and run the jukebox..tip the bartenders by the rounds u own the place

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2017, 11:55:00 PM »
yal right good luck

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2017, 06:32:38 AM »
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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2017, 10:46:00 PM »
If a pilot crashes a jet plane and then the plane is damaged, that doesn't prove that the jet plane wasn't amazingly designed.

human body that you say was created by the infallible god vs a jet designed by fallible humans isn't really an apt comparison.

some flaws of the body i am referring to:  our use of the pharynx for both ingesting as well respiration. this can and has led to choking if we aren't careful.

extremely narrow birth canals on women, leading to tremendous pain. previously a leading cause of death for women was giving birth, improvements in medicine fixed this.

the blind spot in our vision (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_spot_%28vision%29)

 
so you probably want to be careful with this argument, you are indeed unwittingly claiming god is fallible when linking the greatness of god with the human body, that is far from the perfect machine you believe.

When studying the human body, it is undeniable that it is a marvelously designed machine.

Just because things go wrong occasionally does not prove lack of design. Most people in the world have successfully exited from a woman's birth canal, and when you consider that there are over 7 billion of us, I'd say its success rate is remarkably high. Most people manage breathing and eating alright without choking to death the vast majority of the time.

You take for granted the capability. You assume function, that things should work. If evolution is true, and everything is just a random accident, why should anything work?

Even studying any section or component of the body, such as the eye, the ear, the conception, gestation, and birthing of a child, the ability to walk, speech, the brain, the sense of taste, the sense of touch, our ability to feel emotions and thoughts that we know are real things but are invisible things that still somehow take up real estate in our physical, biological brains, and you're not hard-hearted about it, you'll find yourself more amazed than words can describe!

We are truly fearfully and wonderfully made!!

Think about this:

Imagine you were given all the money and supplies you could ever want, and a team of workers to do your bidding, and you were supposed to design out of raw materials, a robotic entity that can do everything that the human body can do...it would be an impossible feat.

Take a look at this paper on bipedal robots. The author says they fall down when slightly pushed, they walk very slowly, and can't take corners without slowing down significantly.

https://www.ihmc.us/users/jpratt/publications/JPratt_HuroSotBook2003.pdf

Advanced scientists have worked for years and years, using tons of money and effort, trying to design something that walks on two legs like a person.

Their best efforts are still defeated by something as simple as uneven terrain.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/2/9/14563036/bipedal-two-legged-robot-cassie-agility-robotics

The design of the human leg and foot, which we take for granted, is so complex and advanced that the smartest people in the world today don't fully understand all its workings.

Even if 30 years from now, humans were able to design something that more closely mimics human movement and doesn't topple at the first nudge, there would still be tons of things that it wouldn't do that the human leg does.

The human leg can feel hot and cold, touch, wind, pain. The human leg can heal itself when cut or scraped. The muscles in the human leg can become stronger and faster with regular use.

If you can't see the beauty and the design, it's because you don't want to see it!

It's not because it's not there!




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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #42 on: November 16, 2017, 06:45:22 PM »
Same seminar, better quality video (less blurry)

100 Reasons Why Evolution is So Stupid! - Dr. Kent Hovind - YouTube

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #43 on: November 17, 2017, 12:20:56 PM »
Questions your Evolutionist Professors Don't Want You to Ask

1. How did life originate? Evolutionist Professor Paul Davies admitted, “Nobody knows how a mixture of lifeless chemicals spontaneously organized themselves into the first living cell.”1 Andrew Knoll, professor of biology, Harvard, said, “we don’t really know how life originated on this planet”.2 A minimal cell needs several hundred proteins. Even if every atom in the universe were an experiment with all the correct amino acids present for every possible molecular vibration in the supposed evolutionary age of the universe, not even one average-sized functional protein would form. So how did life with hundreds of proteins originate just by chemistry without intelligent design?

2. How did the DNA code originate? The code is a sophisticated language system with letters and words where the meaning of the words is unrelated to the chemical properties of the letters—just as the information on this page is not a product of the chemical properties of the ink (or pixels on a screen). What other coding system has existed without intelligent design? How did the DNA coding system arise without it being created?

3. How could mutations—accidental copying mistakes (DNA ‘letters’ exchanged, deleted or added, genes duplicated, chromosome inversions, etc.)—create the huge volumes of information in the DNA of living things? How could such errors create 3 billion letters of DNA information to change a microbe into a microbiologist? There is information for how to make proteins but also for controlling their use—much like a cookbook contains the ingredients as well as the instructions for how and when to use them. One without the other is useless. See: Meta-information: An impossible conundrum for evolution. Mutations are known for their destructive effects, including over 1,000 human diseases such as hemophilia. Rarely are they even helpful. But how can scrambling existing DNA information create a new biochemical pathway or nano-machines with many components, to make ‘goo-to-you’ evolution possible? E.g., How did a 32-component rotary motor like ATP synthase (which produces the energy currency, ATP, for all life), or robots like kinesin (a ‘postman’ delivering parcels inside cells) originate?

4. Why is natural selection, a principle recognized by creationists, taught as ‘evolution’, as if it explains the origin of the diversity of life? By definition it is a selective process (selecting from already existing information), so is not a creative process. It might explain the survival of the fittest (why certain genes benefit creatures more in certain environments), but not the arrival of the fittest (where the genes and creatures came from in the first place). The death of individuals not adapted to an environment and the survival of those that are suited does not explain the origin of the traits that make an organism adapted to an environment. E.g., how do minor back-and-forth variations in finch beaks explain the origin of beaks or finches? How does natural selection explain goo-to-you evolution?

5. How did new biochemical pathways, which involve multiple enzymes working together in sequence, originate? (This video simply explains the concept of a short biochemical pathway.) Every pathway and nano-machine requires multiple protein/enzyme components to work. How did lucky accidents create even one of the components, let alone 10 or 20 or 30 at the same time, often in a necessary programmed sequence. Evolutionary biochemist Franklin Harold wrote, “we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations.”

6. Living things look like they were designed, so how do evolutionists know that they were not designed? Richard Dawkins wrote, “biology is the study of complicated things that have the appearance of having been designed with a purpose.”4 Francis Crick, the co-discoverer of the double helix structure of DNA, wrote, “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.”5 The problem for evolutionists is that living things show too much design. Who objects when an archaeologist says that pottery points to human design? Yet if someone attributes the design in living things to a designer, that is not acceptable. Why should science be restricted to naturalistic causes rather than logical causes?

7. How did multi-cellular life originate? How did cells adapted to individual survival ‘learn’ to cooperate and specialize (including undergoing programmed cell death) to create complex plants and animals?

8. How did sex originate? Asexual reproduction gives up to twice as much reproductive success (‘fitness’) for the same resources as sexual reproduction, so how could the latter ever gain enough advantage to be selected? And how could mere physics and chemistry invent the complementary apparatuses needed at the same time (non-intelligent processes cannot plan for future coordination of male and female organs).

9. Why are the (expected) countless millions of transitional fossils missing? Darwin noted the problem and it still remains. The evolutionary family trees in textbooks are based on imagination, not fossil evidence. Famous Harvard paleontologist (and evolutionist), Stephen Jay Gould, wrote, “The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists as the trade secret of paleontology”.6 Other evolutionist fossil experts also acknowledge the problem.

10. How do ‘living fossils’ remain unchanged over supposed hundreds of millions of years, if evolution has changed worms into humans in the same time frame? Professor Gould wrote, “the maintenance of stability within species must be considered as a major evolutionary problem.”

11. How did blind chemistry create mind/ intelligence, meaning, altruism and morality? If everything evolved, and we invented God, as per evolutionary teaching, what purpose or meaning is there to human life? Should students be learning nihilism (life is meaningless) in science classes?

12. Why is evolutionary ‘just-so’ story-telling tolerated? Evolutionists often use flexible story-telling to ‘explain’ observations contrary to evolutionary theory. NAS(USA) member Dr Philip Skell wrote, “Darwinian explanations for such things are often too supple: Natural selection makes humans self-centered and aggressive—except when it makes them altruistic and peaceable. Or natural selection produces virile men who eagerly spread their seed—except when it prefers men who are faithful protectors and providers. When an explanation is so supple that it can explain any behavior, it is difficult to test it experimentally, much less use it as a catalyst for scientific discovery.”

13. Where are the scientific breakthroughs due to evolution? Dr Marc Kirschner, chair of the Department of Systems Biology, Harvard Medical School, stated: “In fact, over the last 100 years, almost all of biology has proceeded independent of evolution, except evolutionary biology itself. Molecular biology, biochemistry, physiology, have not taken evolution into account at all.”9 Dr Skell wrote, “It is our knowledge of how these organisms actually operate, not speculations about how they may have arisen millions of years ago, that is essential to doctors, veterinarians, farmers … .”10 Evolution actually hinders medical discovery.11 Then why do schools and universities teach evolution so dogmatically, stealing time from experimental biology that so benefits humankind?

14. Science involves experimenting to figure out how things work; how they operate. Why is evolution, a theory about history, taught as if it is the same as this operational science? You cannot do experiments, or even observe what happened, in the past. Asked if evolution has been observed, Richard Dawkins said, “Evolution has been observed. It’s just that it hasn’t been observed while it’s happening.”

15. Why is a fundamentally religious idea, a dogmatic belief system that fails to explain the evidence, taught in science classes? Karl Popper, famous philosopher of science, said “Darwinism is not a testable scientific theory, but a metaphysical [religious] research programme ….”13 Michael Ruse, evolutionist science philosopher admitted, “Evolution is a religion. This was true of evolution in the beginning, and it is true of evolution still today.”14 If “you can’t teach religion in science classes”, why is evolution taught?

(Taken from https://creation.com/15-questions-for-evolutionists)

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Re: Discussion on the Origins of the Universe, Life, and Mankind
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2017, 10:00:23 PM »
I see that in spite of numerous believers in the ideology of evolution, there has been a paucity of response to these rational questions listed above.

I just finished watching this video by Dr. Jason Lisle on how scientific discovery in Astronomy shows that the universe cannot be billions of years old. Evolution is not based on science - it's a religion promoted aggressively with ardent fervor.

The Bible says that the heavens declare the glory of God. The Bible has always been right when experts of the day throughout history have contradicted it, and been proven wrong.

Creationists love science. God made the world, the natural laws, the stars, the sun, the earth, the planets, and it's absolutely breath-taking and amazing to learn about what God, in His infinite wisdom and glory, has made!

Take a look!

Dr Jason Lisle - Astronomy Reveals 6,000 Year Old Earth - YouTube


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