Medivh (#12) defeated Lorys.it (#13) on "Garden of War" at 23:24:49 on 04/30/2021.
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Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
i tried removing smurf/duplicate names from top 20, but a couple people literally make new names every week and get them to top 20 on ladder.
that shit got old real fast.. like 1 step forward, 2 steps backwards all the time.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Well I mean people complain that there's no new players coming in, the game is dying, Yada Yada Yada. But refuse to implement modern things to make gaming interesting. I'm not super competitive these days but it would be nice for something to look forward to (like an end to a ladder season) and just to get that "oh hey I'm #4 this season" kinda thing. As opposed to a Neverending ladder with no actual point to it. I'm sure others would agree. No matter how casual a player is everyone still likes to play competitive games. There is no real point of mods these days to be honest. If the only thing mods do is transfer stats from various names then let the user do that themselves somehow.
Ive been saying this since I came back in 2019. This game needs universal automatic updates so everyone is on the same playing field, same plug-ins etc. I get the nostalgicness of the game is important but so is keeping it up to date.
We could learn alot if we take a look at starcraft 1 BW. The game is just about as old as this but still brings in super competitive matches and tourneys. They still get updates with new map pools for the new ladder season. Can't we do that as well? Each new ladder season let's say gets a new 10 map pool to 1v1 on. It would keep things interesting instead of just GOW. Even for people watching streams imagine how interesting it would be for them when you're 1v1ing someone on the last few days of the ladder season with the #1 spot up for grabs, they also like to see an assortment of maps. Thus helping the game grow.
Maybe I'm just talking to a wall because I don't think any of this will realistically happen, just wishful thinking.
sure lets ban all smurfs, 1 player = 1 account
Well I mean people complain that there's no new players coming in, the game is dying, Yada Yada Yada. But refuse to implement modern things to make gaming interesting. I'm not super competitive these days but it would be nice for something to look forward to (like an end to a ladder season) and just to get that "oh hey I'm #4 this season" kinda thing. As opposed to a Neverending ladder with no actual point to it. I'm sure others would agree. No matter how casual a player is everyone still likes to play competitive games. There is no real point of mods these days to be honest. If the only thing mods do is transfer stats from various names then let the user do that themselves somehow.But if your willing to assist in this endeavor Bara maybe we can look more into this idea.
Ive been saying this since I came back in 2019. This game needs universal automatic updates so everyone is on the same playing field, same plug-ins etc. I get the nostalgicness of the game is important but so is keeping it up to date.
We could learn alot if we take a look at starcraft 1 BW. The game is just about as old as this but still brings in super competitive matches and tourneys. They still get updates with new map pools for the new ladder season. Can't we do that as well? Each new ladder season let's say gets a new 10 map pool to 1v1 on. It would keep things interesting instead of just GOW. Even for people watching streams imagine how interesting it would be for them when you're 1v1ing someone on the last few days of the ladder season with the #1 spot up for grabs, they also like to see an assortment of maps. Thus helping the game grow.
Maybe I'm just talking to a wall because I don't think any of this will realistically happen, just wishful thinking.
What is the point of this ladder anyway? It's a Neverending ongoing ladder with 50,000+ names on it. I've mentioned this before, but can't we revamp it and actually have it serve a useful purpose?
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
I'm sure there are alot of other great ideas we could implement. I know you will say no one cares about the ladder enough to justify the time and changes made. Obviously it's just a game and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However people still obviously care about it if they're asking questions etc.
I think it's worth looking into.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Nah. Our player base too old to take anything like this seriously. Players generally just log in play a few game and chat with friends then log off.
What is the point of this ladder anyway? It's a Neverending ongoing ladder with 50,000+ names on it. I've mentioned this before, but can't we revamp it and actually have it serve a useful purpose?There's two issues with this ladder. #1 is that people like having their old game history on there so don't want that wiped. #2 is that there's always been a concern with the skill ratings that someone will just collect free wins or stomp newbs to earn points with no risk of losing at all.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
I'm sure there are alot of other great ideas we could implement. I know you will say no one cares about the ladder enough to justify the time and changes made. Obviously it's just a game and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However people still obviously care about it if they're asking questions etc.
I think it's worth looking into.
What is the point of this ladder anyway? It's a Neverending ongoing ladder with 50,000+ names on it. I've mentioned this before, but can't we revamp it and actually have it serve a useful purpose?There's two issues with this ladder. #1 is that people like having their old game history on there so don't want that wiped. #2 is that there's always been a concern with the skill ratings that someone will just collect free wins or stomp newbs to earn points with no risk of losing at all.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
I'm sure there are alot of other great ideas we could implement. I know you will say no one cares about the ladder enough to justify the time and changes made. Obviously it's just a game and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However people still obviously care about it if they're asking questions etc.
I think it's worth looking into.
The point is just to get as high as you can, and if you can get #1, hold it and defend it.
That's not to say seasons are a bad idea. I think it could be interesting to leave the game history on there but erase everyone's ranks, or everyone's skill rating, and then see who is where at the end of a given season. However, if we go by skill rating it might just be whoever plays the most games to accumulate the most skills points, and if we go by the current rung ranking system, then we can run into accusations of dodging and having to enforce the people on top to play to let those below have a chance to gain...
I don't mean it's not worth doing, those are just the things to consider.
Just sort by ELO
Hey it was worth a shot. There are ways to make this work but if no ones interested then it is what it is. Speaking for myself, when I log on for 6 hours a week I'd prefer to play meaningful games rather then stomping in big 4v4s with random newbs. Maybe that's just me.
That is not what I said Equinox. Please read my post again. In fact I said we could do it, and still leave the records in.What is the point of this ladder anyway? It's a Neverending ongoing ladder with 50,000+ names on it. I've mentioned this before, but can't we revamp it and actually have it serve a useful purpose?There's two issues with this ladder. #1 is that people like having their old game history on there so don't want that wiped. #2 is that there's always been a concern with the skill ratings that someone will just collect free wins or stomp newbs to earn points with no risk of losing at all.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
I'm sure there are alot of other great ideas we could implement. I know you will say no one cares about the ladder enough to justify the time and changes made. Obviously it's just a game and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However people still obviously care about it if they're asking questions etc.
I think it's worth looking into.
The point is just to get as high as you can, and if you can get #1, hold it and defend it.
That's not to say seasons are a bad idea. I think it could be interesting to leave the game history on there but erase everyone's ranks, or everyone's skill rating, and then see who is where at the end of a given season. However, if we go by skill rating it might just be whoever plays the most games to accumulate the most skills points, and if we go by the current rung ranking system, then we can run into accusations of dodging and having to enforce the people on top to play to let those below have a chance to gain...
I don't mean it's not worth doing, those are just the things to consider.
This is why the staff is useless, always speaking like there no solution and just acting like if it's better to just let the game die.
Tora said, we cant do that ur community is too old for that? And whats if because of that we bring new players and get a bigger community?
Now you told us, we cant do that because peoples want there old record, why cant you save those pages and archives it?
That is not what I said Equinox. Please read my post again. In fact I said we could do it, and still leave the records in.What is the point of this ladder anyway? It's a Neverending ongoing ladder with 50,000+ names on it. I've mentioned this before, but can't we revamp it and actually have it serve a useful purpose?There's two issues with this ladder. #1 is that people like having their old game history on there so don't want that wiped. #2 is that there's always been a concern with the skill ratings that someone will just collect free wins or stomp newbs to earn points with no risk of losing at all.
Have ladder seasons of 2-3 months each with a champ of each season
End of year Tourney with all season winners
Get promoted/demoted to different tiers (like sc2, GM, diamond, gold etc)
Use MMR
I'm sure there are alot of other great ideas we could implement. I know you will say no one cares about the ladder enough to justify the time and changes made. Obviously it's just a game and doesn't matter in the grand scheme of things. However people still obviously care about it if they're asking questions etc.
I think it's worth looking into.
The point is just to get as high as you can, and if you can get #1, hold it and defend it.
That's not to say seasons are a bad idea. I think it could be interesting to leave the game history on there but erase everyone's ranks, or everyone's skill rating, and then see who is where at the end of a given season. However, if we go by skill rating it might just be whoever plays the most games to accumulate the most skills points, and if we go by the current rung ranking system, then we can run into accusations of dodging and having to enforce the people on top to play to let those below have a chance to gain...
I don't mean it's not worth doing, those are just the things to consider.
This is why the staff is useless, always speaking like there no solution and just acting like if it's better to just let the game die.
Tora said, we cant do that ur community is too old for that? And whats if because of that we bring new players and get a bigger community?
Now you told us, we cant do that because peoples want there old record, why cant you save those pages and archives it?
Then I said the issues for doing a season would be either 1) for elo/skill, people newb bashing or winbotting, or 2) for rung system, accusations of dodging.
Which one of those sounds better if we were to proceed? With those issues in mind, what do people think we should do?
You don't need to be mean about it EQ. Every mod is a volunteer, and so would be anyone thats working on a new ladder or any other project for that matter. We can be upset and disappointed but until we learn to code and program on our own we can't rely on other people. The ones with that knowledge can use it as they want, even if it is creating useless things (maybe not useless to them)
what? we don't get paid???
what? we don't get paid???
Im sure there alot of peoples who would love to take care of that for free, but you dont want no more peoples in that staff and if it happen than admins gonna spit in there face, right tora?
what? we don't get paid???
Im sure there alot of peoples who would love to take care of that for free, but you dont want no more peoples in that staff and if it happen than admins gonna spit in there face, right tora?
Still harping over the master tag challege u were running huh.
When you pick up a project to oversee you should do it for yourself and the community.
The fact you got so upset over me saying “you sucked at it” while I was drunk shows a lot lol. We didn’t even take running master tag away from you.
You just quit lmao.
Even this ladder if we gave it to you to run you would be hyped for 3-4 weeks then get pissed people don’t like all the new changes and quit.
And yes I am busier than most people you meet on a day to day basis.
I know you can't have a ladder being completely 100% legit all the time. But we could try. And do something like demote rank if inactive 3 days, that way there is constant movement and dodging isn't a big issue. No one will get rank 1 and go smurf or go inactive because he will lose rank quick. I think that's a good start. I'm not sure how the ELO or MMR systems work to know what's best or if there is another option.What then happens though is that a hypothetical top player might only play one game every few days and it's always against Paladin664 or something. The other thing that happens is if we say, well, you have to play a top 5 or top 10 player every 5 days, then the top player could log on for a few hours a couple different days and go "anyone here? need to play a top 5 person. anyone here?" and there's no one around, and then they get demoted unfairly.
You had nothing else to do to just respect my decisions, because at the end you cant even take decisions urself.
I know you can't have a ladder being completely 100% legit all the time. But we could try. And do something like demote rank if inactive 3 days, that way there is constant movement and dodging isn't a big issue. No one will get rank 1 and go smurf or go inactive because he will lose rank quick. I think that's a good start. I'm not sure how the ELO or MMR systems work to know what's best or if there is another option.What then happens though is that a hypothetical top player might only play one game every few days and it's always against Paladin664 or something. The other thing that happens is if we say, well, you have to play a top 5 or top 10 player every 5 days, then the top player could log on for a few hours a couple different days and go "anyone here? need to play a top 5 person. anyone here?" and there's no one around, and then they get demoted unfairly.
Anyway, though, this is something we can try. (Equinox, I am just trying to get feedback before deciding how to proceed. I'm not trying to stop this from happening, I'm just trying to think of all the components of it.)
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Maybe we should do a summer season. On June 1, we can have iL delete every player on the ladder's rank. The rest of their info can be left as is and I think it should work... Season could end August 29. I mean, ladder won't be turned off after August 29, but on August 29 we'll see who is in first place and won the season. Maybe we can schedule a series between #1 and #2 for that day, whoever it may be.
This gives us until June to work out how to deal with dodging or inactivity or just difficulty finding opponents!
I think there's a way to play IronMan isn't there? As I recall one of the loaders has an option to enable IronMan, maybe even to unlock it to EF
I could make the ladder only count certain maps, could certainly be done, although then people playing gow having it not count might be annoyed. So I guess this is pointing to having iL install a duplicate ladder, if he is willing.
I get that 3 months might be too long Eq but is 1 month long enough? maybe?
I think there's a way to play IronMan isn't there? As I recall one of the loaders has an option to enable IronMan, maybe even to unlock it to EF
I could make the ladder only count certain maps, could certainly be done, although then people playing gow having it not count might be annoyed. So I guess this is pointing to having iL install a duplicate ladder, if he is willing.
I get that 3 months might be too long Eq but is 1 month long enough? maybe?