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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: TSA on July 16, 2023, 08:18:11 PM
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Hi all,
I know I'm pretty new to the game and some of you might think that I'm wrong
And how would I know right?
Well, when I was super noob in my first 3-4 months, Shush was the player that would teach me new things and helped me with basic stragedies. We became buddies and I guess he got confident to tell me about a hack he was using. He showed me how it worked and proved it. I was pretty dissappointed that there were hacks you could use in this game. I love the game and I would never use anything like that to beat someone.
Here's how it works.
The hack allows him to see the enemys gold, wood, and starting location. If you ever see him play, you'll notice he never scouts, because he doesn't have to. By knowing your gold, he can see exactly what you made based on how much money very building costs.
He knows if you went mill, rax, or smith.
He will know when you start an expo. He won't know the location of your expo, but he can see that you made another hall just by watching ur gold.
I'm sorry for not coming forward about this sooner, but I had to do it for the good of the game that I love.
I also know I'm not the only person he has told, I can confirm he told someone else and probably many more with the intention of spreading the hack. Some probably passed like I did, and some probably started to also use it. If you see someome
Blind towering an enemy then its very likely that person is using it.
I can no longer play in games where shush is playing, I refuse to play with a hacker. He's not skilled at all and I can beat him in 1s fairly easy even with his hack, but in team games is another story. It's very annoying to have him as neib in 2s or 3s and he makes the perfect play against you.
If you know of someone else who uses this, come forward, its ruining this beautiful game.
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You’re not the first player to come forward and tell us about shush and his hacks.
I would advise yourself and all other players to begin running war2 insight so we can get some recorded games from him. That would give us some documented proof of his hacks.
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@Mistral
Would it be possible to fix war2insight? Every time I run it my client crashes.
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dunno
i think insight checking exe file checksum and etc
so it prob cannot work with HD version
oh but if u use default version then i dunno how it crashing, maybe u have logs
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i just tested War2BNEInSight104 and War2BNEInSight105RC2
both worked OK in default 640x480 war2.
I was able to make replay and then watch it all ok.
tried both with HD version
one said that he cannot determine war2 version (cuz exe file changed obviously)
other said it cannot find war2 at all (game not running)
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@fois made insight for HD
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ye lol try using fois insight for HD should work ok
but then i still dunno why u got crash
maybe when there is OBS in game or different game mode then insight dnt know what to do with them?
try in default calssic game first if work or not
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Shush told me a few months back that he watched a YouTube video that shows him how to build a script that reveals enemy starting locations, and their current resources in any given moment, etc.
The reason he told me this is because we were allying in a game and before our halls were done he told me “they are at 11 and 2.” I scouted the map and they were indeed those spots. I asked him how he knew and then he confessed that he had built the aforementioned program and offered it to me. I declined and told him he should not be hacking and I’ve been booting him from my games ever since.
The most concerning aspects of this all is that the hacks are non-visual, not displayed in the game client which means streaming and ss’s would not pick up on it if I understand it correctly? Next, and perhaps even more concerning is that Shush appears to be promoting the hacks and sharing them across the server, especially with other newer players(?)
But yes, Shush is 100% cheating.
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Shush told me a few months back that he watched a YouTube video that shows him how to build a script that reveals enemy starting locations, and their current resources in any given moment, etc.
The reason he told me this is because we were allying in a game and before our halls were done he told me “they are at 11 and 2.” I scouted the map and they were indeed those spots. I asked him how he knew and then he confessed that he had built the aforementioned program and offered it to me. I declined and told him he should not be hacking and I’ve been booting him from my games ever since.
The most concerning aspects of this all is that the hacks are non-visual, not displayed in the game client which means streaming and ss’s would not pick up on it if I understand it correctly? Next, and perhaps even more concerning is that Shush appears to be promoting the hacks and sharing them across the server, especially with other newer players(?)
But yes, Shush is 100% cheating.
Did he ever mention in one of the channels? We could pull the chat logs if that's the case.
I've been aware of his hacks for quite some time but I didn't think he was offering them to players.
I know he initially showed them to a couple of players for the purpose of "testing" them.
But yes if he is giving them away to players would appreciate it if more players would step forward as this shouldn't be all allowed.
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ye lol try using fois insight for HD should work ok
but then i still dunno why u got crash
maybe when there is OBS in game or different game mode then insight dnt know what to do with them?
try in default calssic game first if work or not
Ok thanks let me try it again in a bit.
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We talked in the game, game lobby, and main channel. Not sure what info was provided within the lobbies. You would need to check.
There’s a few other players that are in his circle that i am 90% plus sure that hack, but I won’t mention them here as I am not 100% confident that they do. I assume that they are using Shush’s program but that is speculation on my part.
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@Mistral @fois @iL
So I am fairly confident that Shush is utilizing pulling the mentioned information from the cache within the games memory.
I know we have spoken about this a bit in the past but it would appear we are having more players cheating with this script.
Any chance we can explore options to include some kind of catch in the AH?
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Sure thing DJ boss is not using this hack. He is not able to find gold mine on b2b…
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But if we just make the hack available for everyone it's ok right? :D
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Does the AH even work anymore? It doesn't show on the status screen now who is even using it or not.
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Does the AH even work anymore?
its dnt needed cuz i fixed spellhack and buildhack and cheat codes hack from server side from war2mod
and low level map hacks can be detected by checking screenshot using /ss
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How about this hack from shush? It was detected ?
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even big game companies for many years still cannot find ways to 100% detect read-type hacks
u can easy detect write-type, something that changes memory.
but u cannot normally fix those that only reading memory info.
some big games have anticheat systems on the levels like antivirus.
becoz if hack for example reading info just from program level then u can block it from kernel level
but then there is other problem - of course player have admin rights on his computer, so he can also go from kernel level and block is invalid.
but ok then what if antihack goes from drivers level
some big games have antihacks like those but they still was fucked up, because hacker just got to hardware level (becoz in the end computer is still just a machine) (but of course this is beyond insane and no one will do this shit for war2 prob).
so prob only way to fix hax like those read memory type is to make some insane OS-drivers level antihack antivirus
which is impossible for me
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even big game companies for many years still cannot find ways to 100% detect read-type hacks
u can easy detect write-type, something that changes memory.
but u cannot normally fix those that only reading memory info.
some big games have anticheat systems on the levels like antivirus.
becoz if hack for example reading info just from program level then u can block it from kernel level
but then there is other problem - of course player have admin rights on his computer, so he can also go from kernel level and block is invalid.
but ok then what if antihack goes from drivers level
some big games have antihacks like those but they still was fucked up, because hacker just got to hardware level (becoz in the end computer is still just a machine) (but of course this is beyond insane and no one will do this shit for war2 prob).
so prob only way to fix hax like those read memory type is to make some insane OS-drivers level antihack antivirus
which is impossible for me
Fair enough.
I think players should record their games and if they suspect someone cheated they should rewatch the insight.
Then if it looks suspect they can post the replay here on the forum for other players to make their judgement.
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even big game companies for many years still cannot find ways to 100% detect read-type hacks
u can easy detect write-type, something that changes memory.
but u cannot normally fix those that only reading memory info.
some big games have anticheat systems on the levels like antivirus.
becoz if hack for example reading info just from program level then u can block it from kernel level
but then there is other problem - of course player have admin rights on his computer, so he can also go from kernel level and block is invalid.
but ok then what if antihack goes from drivers level
some big games have antihacks like those but they still was fucked up, because hacker just got to hardware level (becoz in the end computer is still just a machine) (but of course this is beyond insane and no one will do this shit for war2 prob).
so prob only way to fix hax like those read memory type is to make some insane OS-drivers level antihack antivirus
which is impossible for me
Fair enough.
I think players should record their games and if they suspect someone cheated they should rewatch the insight.
Then if it looks suspect they can post the replay here on the forum for other players to make their judgement.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I understand, the kind of hacks that Shush is presumably using will be impossible to detect while watching the insight replay. At best, you can claim that someone using Shush's "hacks" is playing fishy. Since SS will not confirm hacks in those instances, I don't see how we can be 100% certain of someone Shush-style hacking...
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if i good remember, sush isnt good player, so who cares he hacking
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Shush = Claw.
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No need to record anything, shush's hacks work as reported by poster and that's it end of story. He told me how they work it during a game that he hosted where there was only 3 of us. He made a program that can detect who is mining what mine. He uses this to his advantage to gay someone at start without scouting. Also, he knows where u expo so as soon as you start mining that spot he goes after it. SS does shit because it does not show such outside program. Showing other people how it works is how he got caught, he just cant keep his mouth shut, yet he denies it and keeps saying, ask for SS, stupid dumb ass knows very well SS does shit.
P.S. I don't miss dellam one bit since mofo use to spoof hack my name, I guess the mofo was in love with me.
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Looks like Shush retired his “Shush” name.
Anyone know what name he is playing on now?
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Is there any chance to track IP? Or dont worth due to VPNs
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I already searched the DB’s for any matching IP’s.
He is using a vpn to play now. (I doubt he just quit.)
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He is using one of the SoloLev names, I'll figure it out that way he talks gives it away
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Yah just get smurf to send dik pic if it's tiny like thumb then it's shush, just match it to others
(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/28/1414477612322_wps_9_penis_thumb.jpg)
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One thing I will say is if I look up your IP to see your aka and see there aren't any accounts associated to it that raises questions because why would any player in 2023 have no duplicate accounts.
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to be able to view smurf accounts.
I'd say looks like a very bad idea as for me.
If someone will look and know how it works, that will mean everybody will know how it works. And how to bypass it then.
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there should be bot who inform if player X log with same IP as Y, or players could ask bot about accounts without giving IP info like player X got same IP as player X Y Z
ofc problem would be with VPN, but you could block making new account, it could be problem for new people, but you could write that they need log here at forum and ask for create account admin, I dont think so smurfs would do it xd
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Who cares ... many use wide-screen hack..it's allowed.
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I think his smurf account is
NewOrcCity
Shush is from new york city, and that
Name started appearing after I posted this.
Ofc not 100% on this, but a very good guess
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Damnnn Shush is a genius.
Making all this hack by himself.
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I haven't seen him log since. ;0 (probably banned)
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He isn’t banned.
He probably saw this thread and just smurfing at this point.
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Who cares ... many use wide-screen hack..it's allowed.
it will be very good if you just delete your account and not come again here anymore
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So I didn't know all this happened with shush....but after talking with Tora a little in game he referenced this thread. I will say that with minimal knowledge of c# or any kind of programming/coding it is relatively easy to read the memory and see resources like what is outlined.... After my brief fumbling around I will say this....
It's not a map hack per say, you simply know what the persons start location was. Not geographically or anything but like obviously on gow player 1 is at 4, player 2 at 5 etc. And if you watch the gold you can see if 6 stays or not.
I can't think of any way to detect against this without having something running on the client side that is scanning for hex readers or something other than warcraft reading the memory? Not entirely sure.... I'm not that smart.
I don't think this is a reasonable way for someone to "detect expansions" unless they write an application reading the memory (outside of just using a scanner) and alert if you see a sudden -1200 maybe? Either way...not completely terrifying. You should know when your opponent is trying to expand....if you're sitting there watching numbers on another screen it would be difficult to determine "oh they're doing this strategy". Just for clarity I haven't actually used this in a real game, just playing around with computers out of curiosity. You could definitely tell if they pscout, dual, and starting locations relatively easy. Makes me wonder how long people have been doing this and just being quiet about it.
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whoever has to hack in this game in 2024 has a serious inferiority complex. fucking psychopaths. literally. who t.f. hacks warcraft 2 lol
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We all know VPN does absolutely nothing on here, right? I guess it would in the channel but who cares about that. We keep referencing VPNs for some reason.
Also, someone has been spoof hacking lately too. Also, talking about how people are doing things/bypassing things to their advantage ("hack") are just making more people do it. We get that right?
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the hack that 00Brett is describing is a hack that Claw created at least a decade ago and showed it to me... and then sold to other people.
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the hack that 00Brett is describing is a hack that Claw created at least a decade ago and showed it to me... and then sold to other people.
Not exactly.... I know what you're talking about but CLAW's hack is way different than what I was piddling with and what shush was doing. CLAW's hack actually had a small window/application you could put on another monitor and it displayed the entire map uncovered. I'm talking about just using another application to read items in the memory....once you figure out what address is for specific items you can give them names and watch them live.... for example "Gold of person that started at 4" type stuff.
It is worth noting that both of these methods are 100% undetectable since this game is old and only peer to peer. We simply use the "server" to find games and connect with each other, from there nothing is stored on the server but everything is in everyone's local client....so reading from the memory to see this information isn't something you can flag as bad or block since your client does in fact need to know what everyone elses is doing for the game to work.