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Title: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on May 19, 2021, 06:58:29 PM
:pig: :wc2: WAR2 LADDER SUMMER SEASON 2021  :wc2: :pig:
June 1 to August 29

  • On June 1, all ladder rankings will be removed; records and game histories will be left intact
  • Players will then be ranked on the ladder as they play qualifying games
  • Activity rules: The #1 player must defend their title against the #2 player once every 10 days or face demotion
  • After each successful defense, the player will earn one CHAMPION POINT

 :chuckisthemuscle: GRAND FINALE  :chuckisthemuscle:
If the player who is #1 on the final day of the season does not have the most CHAMPION POINTS, they will face off against the CHAMPION POINT leader in a series to determine the Summer Season champion!!!

Qualifying maps: BNE / GOW FREE
Qualifying resources: ALL
PlayerCHAMPIONSHIP POINTS
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Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Available on May 20, 2021, 02:13:27 AM
defend their title against the #2
: TBD
rules? BO? / KOTH? / demotion to #? / ... so much unsaid

Quote
qualifying games
working the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?


P.S.
Also wondering why always spam this section when there (https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?board=18.0) is a more appropriate one. Maybe it would be worth starting to use it for its intended purpose?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on May 20, 2021, 05:21:27 AM
what is TBD? prolly played the map but ive forgotten.

is this like june july august whole summer as i call the summer months here in the nortic circle. or only june?
i wont b playing much but occasionally yes. this is actually good. why not at least try? thats good that u dont delete old historic stats. this ladda has been on ages. it is golden history imo.

oh sorry  i read again. from june till august. too lazy to erase old text :]]
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on May 20, 2021, 05:31:53 AM
ffs. made a post and deleted it accidently.

defend their title against the #2
: TBD
rules? BO? / KOTH? / demotion to #? / ... so much unsaid

Quote
qualifying games
working the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?


P.S.
Also wondering why always spam this section when there (https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?board=18.0) is a more appropriate one. Maybe it would be worth starting to use it for its intended purpose?


me and i think most of the others check out only this Server.War2.ru section. no1 uses rly other sections. me myself maybe post 1 post a year in the replay or tourney section. 99.89% time i just quickly look Server.War2.ru section. so no reason to post important topics elsewhere. other sections r kinda waste.


about ladder. maybe add DISC COUNT AS LOSS option? shouldnt b 2 hard to make technically. it would be fair. there is brassies n italianos for example who disc often. it is frustrating to search the game results and post it in the forums and admins fix the ladder stats if they bare do it. anyway im kinda used to find the game reports kinda quick due experiment :D





tip for ppl
http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/ (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/)
there u can see all 1v1s played. just click some of ur latest games which if uve played from ladder.war2.ru site. then update the http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/ (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/) site after hour. check out games played afterwards of the game u clicked earlier. there r ur newest played games. oldest games top, newest games bottom. use home and end buttons in kb to make it quicker :]
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on May 20, 2021, 09:26:20 AM
defend their title against the #2
: TBD
rules? BO? / KOTH? / demotion to #? / ... so much unsaid

Quote
qualifying games
working the same way as any games is counted for today? so bad watcher can spoil it?


P.S.
Also wondering why always spam this section when there (https://forum.war2.ru/index.php?board=18.0) is a more appropriate one. Maybe it would be worth starting to use it for its intended purpose?
Title defenses work as programmed into the existing ladder.  I think it's a bo5.  Demotions are down to rank 10.

what is TBD? prolly played the map but ive forgotten.
Hah it's short for To Be Determined.  Map etc I'm listening for feedback.  I should be able to customize which games get recorded (not guaranteed, but I think so), however if I change from the standard to any custom settings, those will be the only games the ladder records during this season.  I think that's probably fine.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Szwagier on May 20, 2021, 10:26:52 AM
Would be fun if gow will be just disabled
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on May 20, 2021, 10:51:55 AM
That might be cool
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: tk[as] on May 20, 2021, 11:04:57 AM
awesome stuff!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: tk[as] on May 20, 2021, 11:05:23 AM
TBD - to be determined
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Nox on May 20, 2021, 04:48:02 PM
Would be fun if gow will be just disabled

Would be fun if you just be disable too, but we gonna make with you, dont worry  :sob:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Szwagier on May 21, 2021, 02:04:49 AM
Like allways equinox hasnt got any ideas, expect attack me  :poo:

Did you learn finally towerbug or you need another 10k games/hours?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on May 21, 2021, 03:59:57 AM
oh tbd :D thx guys. see, all of us arent native english speakers :D

didnt even know delete is  equ. he acts like faggot everywhere 247. i wonder why ppl even respond to him or play with him.

Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Shotgun on June 01, 2021, 04:22:30 AM
Still looks normal
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 01, 2021, 12:30:56 PM
Yep..? Happening or not?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 01, 2021, 09:21:37 PM
Going to ping iL, he asked for a reminder and I didn’t give him one yet! Gogogo
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Shotgun on June 02, 2021, 05:45:22 AM
Looks like a lot of players are gone but heaps of inactive names remain, so no one can in theory climb the ladder. Needs to be wiped totally clean to work.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 02, 2021, 06:27:02 AM
hold ur horses. dont delete many years of history. btw. i wish ppl played more f. f is great :]]]
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 02, 2021, 09:18:51 AM
Don't worry, we are not erasing your wins/losses, or your game history.  You'll see it's all still in there. 

Yes though, I am seeing that some ranks were not fully reset or not reset properly.  We will work on that.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 02, 2021, 09:20:28 AM
not counted by the ladder

http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20210602095334_004626 (http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20210602095334_004626)

another one is also missing from the reports site entirely.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 02, 2021, 09:50:50 AM
I'm attempting to make this special Summer Ladder Season be gow free! 

the ladder should be counting BNE maps only, but not counting garden of war.   so i think it's correct it didn't count that game. right now i think gow BNE counts but we will remove that too in just a moment.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 02, 2021, 11:53:10 AM
thats good . im fine with that. it just better for me :]]
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 02, 2021, 11:53:44 AM
spbwar 1v1??
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 02, 2021, 12:59:35 PM
Looks like the ranks still aren't working quite like we want them.  We'll get it sorted out though... but just know if you're trying to get started on the season, that while games will be recorded, they won't get the rungs up and going yet.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on June 02, 2021, 02:43:10 PM
my suggestion is you gota make it more unique from normal ladder to make it interesting

i suggest every player can play every player in this league 3 or 5 times u don't have to complete all 5 games but premotes playin more

 the top 4players with most wins have play off with the same standard maybe 7 games each

this also premotes more active players the chance to win the league

there should be stats like the old league i made that you deleted the thread blid (back up stats this time)


i can help with stats just need a good reporting and fact keeping systen

so list for stats

Both players starting postion and strategy day 12, 2RAX RUSH, etc
what tier the game got to ( fort) etc other stat ideaz to be discussed


then at end i can work out what strategy won most. spot vs spot win ratios etc

this way also keeps communitu interested on other players outcomes
 and a deeper insight into match up imbalances
get jstin n others to cover league games etc
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: WillTheRealKoorbStandUp on June 02, 2021, 02:47:09 PM
the ladder site too buggy also. need to make basic input site wea players can update games and admin approves it mayb
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 02, 2021, 03:00:37 PM
Koorb I think your idea is more in line with a league- also can be cool. This is just a “season” of the ladder, so it’s a lot like the regular ladder on purpose .
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Szwagier on June 05, 2021, 04:31:03 AM
I think ladder is not working
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 05, 2021, 10:23:14 AM
Yeah, so there's two things:
1) We're only currently counting non-GOW BNE/classic maps.
2) The rungs currently need fixing.  We need to make it so unranked players (which will be everyone) get slotted into the ladder after they play a game that counts.  iL said I'm more familiar with the ladder so asked me to do it, but the ftp login info he sent me didn't work, so he tried something and I still can't get in.  I apologize for the delay.  Not 100% certain but I do think I can fix it quickly once I get access.

Very sorry it's taking so long!  my initial assumption was that it would already rank people correctly, as long as their current ranks were null.  But I think instead the code adds unraked people to the ranks correctly when they play their first game, not when their rank is null, so I think I just need to add like "|| rank = null" to the new player section of the code... and then reset everyone back to null ranks again.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on June 05, 2021, 11:15:25 AM
Yeah, so there's two things:
1) We're only currently counting non-GOW BNE/classic maps.
2) The rungs currently need fixing.  We need to make it so unranked players (which will be everyone) get slotted into the ladder after they play a game that counts.  iL said I'm more familiar with the ladder so asked me to do it, but the ftp login info he sent me didn't work, so he tried something and I still can't get in.  I apologize for the delay.  Not 100% certain but I do think I can fix it quickly once I get access.

Very sorry it's taking so long!  my initial assumption was that it would already rank people correctly, as long as their current ranks were null.  But I think instead the code adds unraked people to the ranks correctly when they play their first game, not when their rank is null, so I think I just need to add like "|| rank = null" to the new player section of the code... and then reset everyone back to null ranks again.

Dont waste ur time nobody cares about the ladder since you remove the best map of the entire game.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 05, 2021, 03:20:46 PM
so games played in this month other than gow countin or not before ur fix blid??
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 07, 2021, 08:34:50 AM
theyre counting for your record and getting logged, but as far as the ranking system goes, ill be resetting the ranks again once we have the ranking system working, so you wont get anything out of any games except a nice win on your record.

i still couldnt get in so im just gonna see if il can email me the files and i email back and then he can put in the changes i ask for...  :omg:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: LoRyS.iT on June 11, 2021, 08:53:32 AM
its still fucked up isnt it?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on June 11, 2021, 12:25:46 PM
Should probably just restore it to normal if you can't reset it for a series...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on June 11, 2021, 02:51:53 PM
Nice summer ladder
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Harrywangs on June 11, 2021, 05:23:42 PM
I know nothing about this but I'm going to attempt to sound like I do. If this is such an issue, is it possible to restart everything but put it on a different URL so the old one still works and now you have a new one with everyone at 0-0-0.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on June 15, 2021, 09:24:23 PM
Should we restore the  normal ladder?

This one still broke?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Rus on June 17, 2021, 06:41:29 PM
Dude, just bring back the old version of ladder . You didn't make a new one, you broke the old one. :poo: :peon:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Swift on June 18, 2021, 09:19:32 AM
Who decided to start not including Garden of War.pud games on the ladder? At minimum this should have been left to a vote, for actual active players.

Was it you Blid, the guy who hasn't even played in like ten years?

WarCrafft II = Garden of War. It's a bad move on so many levels to exclude it from the ladder. Whether temporary or not.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: LoRyS.iT on June 19, 2021, 06:09:01 AM
restore the ladder :fro:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on June 19, 2021, 10:15:56 AM
restore the ladder :fro:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on June 19, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
Was definitely worth trying i think assuming it was a seamless transition, but i think its been a month now and ive seen people like Lux playing multiple non-gow bne maps, and current rankings show only 1 person in the top 20 has played a game in the last 4 years.

Who is LuSteD btw? anyone know his aka?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on June 23, 2021, 10:36:50 PM
R.I.P war2 ladder?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on June 24, 2021, 04:04:16 AM
@Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) ? Brain not so smrat
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Rus on June 24, 2021, 06:35:13 AM
Give me his home address and I'll send the Russian mafia to him >:D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on June 24, 2021, 08:21:33 AM
Give me his home address and I'll send the Russian mafia to him >:D
Lol
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Szwagier on June 24, 2021, 09:15:20 AM
Give me his home address and I'll send the Russian mafia to him >:D
Leave droid Alone!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 24, 2021, 01:42:38 PM
Yah obviously ive failed pretty hard here so far.  In fact I haven't even gotten to look at the code yet though.  iL gave me ftp information but my computer is from my work and they have some bullshit on it that blocks ftp.war2.ru.  iL also gave me a link to where he uploaded the ladder code but the link doesnt work?  he didn't write back when i asked if he could just email it to me.  i will try to get to another computer so i can finally get in through the ftp :X  it would be a pretty spectacular failure to try to do something fun and end up just breaking shit, which has been the case so far.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: BHC-JesK on June 24, 2021, 04:46:20 PM
can't you just restore the last backup or some quick fix like that?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 25, 2021, 07:50:17 AM
yeah im sure il could and it would also be easy to take out the one small anti-gow change we made.  heres the shameful thing though, i do have another computer so id like to take a look at this first, it's just that with all ive got going on in my life right now the inconvenience of digging it out has kept me from trying that yet.  let me make an effort to do so today and then we'll see where that gets us

UPDATE: i got out the other computer and got on the ftp and got a look at the files... i think i can figure out how to handle this next time i get some free time.  in fact i even had an idea to improve the method we were using for this contest.  we'll see.  ill keep following up.

UPDATE 2: Threw in a first attempt at a fix. I figure this won’t quite do the trick but we’ll see

UPDATE 3: looks like it's working i think!  just need to make the standings page stop showing all the unranked/rank 0 people, but:
Quote
Maciek (#1) defeated Adam-w (#2) on "Gold Separates East&West L" 19:29:16 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 19:13:26 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 19:02:21 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:56:16 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:49:16 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:33:14 on 06/26/2021.
Theboy (#0) defeated OmEd (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:13:36 on 06/26/2021.
OmEd (#0) defeated Theboy (#0) on "Garden of War" 18:01:17 on 06/26/2021.
i changed it so that GOW games still DO get recorded.  however you see all those people sitting at rank 0 despite playing... the GOW games are getting recorded into your game history, because i figured you all would still want that.  however the only players that actually got rankings were the ones playing gseps.  and the winner got rank 1 and the loser rank 2.  seems right...?  it's working maybe!

oh yeah it's workin alright... although this emoji version of garden of war TE seems to have sneaked through:

iLLxSaSaGe (#5) defeated bjculp14 (#6) on "Fierce ocean combat" 20:54:08 on 06/26/2021.
Gobethron (#3) defeated RusArmy (#4) on "8) Garden of War TE" 20:19:57 on 06/26/2021.
Maciek (#1) defeated Adam-w (#2) on "Gold Separates East&West L" 19:29:16 on 06/26/2021.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on June 26, 2021, 05:51:39 PM
Just save the whole things, then when its save update that god damn stupid ladder you love so much on website as souvenir archive, and reset this whole thing to ZERO!|

There 45k players and smurfs in this fake ladder, new players see that ladder and when they com on the server they see 15 players log on, what a shame, we just look like old delusional server with fake ladder lol.

Reset this things to zero, keep it clean and updated, make it look profesionnal!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 26, 2021, 07:25:01 PM
Don't you worry my friend, that is just what we're doing.  i will get all the unranked people removed from the main standings page - they will only be on a backup page.  so the only people on the main standings will be the active ones.  AND i plan to do a new season after this one with a different map requirement, resetting the ladder and making everyone unranked again, and so on.  So the ladder will keep getting cleared out for every "season" but all the old records and players will be retained on back-up
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on June 26, 2021, 07:29:33 PM
Don't you worry my friend, that is just what we're doing.  i will get all the unranked people removed from the main standings page - they will only be on a backup page.  so the only people on the main standings will be the active ones.  AND i plan to do a new season after this one with a different map requirement, resetting the ladder and making everyone unranked again, and so on.  So the ladder will keep getting cleared out for every "season" but all the old records and players will be retained on back-up

Oh my god thank you very much.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on June 26, 2021, 07:42:09 PM
bug report: ladder seems to be counting the right games and updating the ranks right, but records/streak/elo are getting reset to zero.  I have backed up all the standings now so that records won't be lost. actually although this is unintentional i think I like records starting over? You can still click to see full PvP records and I can still make total record display also I think. either way it needs a look from me tomorrow, there’s a bug there
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on June 27, 2021, 06:32:16 PM
Everything seem to work fine now!
Thanks!

That Would be great if you also can delete the game report in every profile players... When you click on a name in the ladder it bring you to the individual games reports player, but old games reports are still there. Wich is really confusing!

Would be cool to only have games reports from this season.

Also for future improvement if you guys got time and motivation.

Wg always talk about IGL, and there something really great about igl..

http://www.igl.net/war2/ (http://www.igl.net/war2/)

THey call this hall of fame but i think its more like a records pages.

It would be great if someone could build a script for a kind of record pages like that on the ladder.war2.ru website.

We could make different records..

More wins with orc, more wins with humans, winning streak, Highest elo, Most win on gow ef, most win on pos, most wins on b2b etc etc etc.

This kind of records will bring peoples to be more open on different maps and races without banning old gow from the ladder.

After a season we could also make a Random map tournament with every winner of every different reccords..

This records pages will bring alot of new things to the ladder, alot of motivation for new players and will open peoples to play different setting race and map.

I dont think it will be so hard since the ladder is also link and relate to the war2ru server game report.

Anyway thanks for the work you done here, its already a big big step!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Mad-Luster77 on June 28, 2021, 11:39:22 PM
Ahh I remember IGL.  That's what we used for War2 around the time I stopped playing.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Rus on June 29, 2021, 06:11:10 AM
Everything seem to work fine now!
Thanks!

That Would be great if you also can delete the game report in every profile players... When you click on a name in the ladder it bring you to the individual games reports player, but old games reports are still there. Wich is really confusing!

Would be cool to only have games reports from this season.

Also for future improvement if you guys got time and motivation.

Wg always talk about IGL, and there something really great about igl..

[url]http://www.igl.net/war2/[/url] ([url]http://www.igl.net/war2/[/url])

THey call this hall of fame but i think its more like a records pages.

It would be great if someone could build a script for a kind of record pages like that on the ladder.war2.ru website.

We could make different records..

More wins with orc, more wins with humans, winning streak, Highest elo, Most win on gow ef, most win on pos, most wins on b2b etc etc etc.

This kind of records will bring peoples to be more open on different maps and races without banning old gow from the ladder.

After a season we could also make a Random map tournament with every winner of every different reccords..

This records pages will bring alot of new things to the ladder, alot of motivation for new players and will open peoples to play different setting race and map.

I dont think it will be so hard since the ladder is also link and relate to the war2ru server game report.

Anyway thanks for the work you done here, its already a big big step!

Very correct ideas , even if Blind does some of them, it will be super
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on July 03, 2021, 08:27:15 AM
Yes I can def c how popular this New ladda system and the whole server right now is. Well done...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: BHC-JesK on July 17, 2021, 03:04:24 PM
@Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart)
Is the elo system broken or not resetted for everyone? Some guys have like 100 points vs others 1300 points. Shouldn't everyone start with a base elo like 1200 or something?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 17, 2021, 04:46:22 PM
Yeah when players get added to the new seasonal scoreboard, most people are moved in with 0 score instead of the default 1300, while a select few are getting 1300. 
if only my primary computer didn't block ladder.war2.ru I would’ve fiddled with it much sooner :/  Makes it much harder to do work on this as much as I'd want to.  I just took a stab at correcting it
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 17, 2021, 09:21:46 PM
Yeah when players get added to the new seasonal scoreboard, most people are moved in with 0 score instead of the default 1300, while a select few are getting 1300. 
if only my primary computer didn't block ladder.war2.ru I would’ve fiddled with it much sooner :/  Makes it much harder to do work on this as much as I'd want to.  I just took a stab at correcting it

I already told you this Elo bug 2 weeks ago and you answer me same thing as jesk, now jesk told you that and you fix it in only one day, ur a joke bro lol.

Btw lot of peoples got this error ( You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right syntax to use near '-50' at line 1 ) Wich mean, cant get in the ladder.

Including me!

Just feel like ur a troll and a lazy ass mofo.

Good job clown.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 17, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
I’m actually the most busy I’ve been in my life, and I can’t do ladder stuff while at work cuz the site is blocked, but JesK pinged me at the exact moment when I had a few minutes at home by myself to take a look. Definitely not trolling you bro, you were one of the main people who suggested seasons in the first place right?

What page do you get that error on, Ive never seen it. Is it the main standings home page?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 18, 2021, 12:24:48 PM
Warning: In one week I will come through and demote all those in the top 20 with no qualifying game in the last 10 days by 30 spots, while if #1 does not defend his title by then he will be demoted by 10 spots.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 19, 2021, 01:15:41 PM
you were one of the main people who suggested seasons in the first place right?

Yeah and im like the only one who cant play it, go fuck yourself please, fucking troll.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 19, 2021, 07:23:57 PM
What do you mean?
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 19, 2021, 07:31:46 PM
What do you mean?

What do i mean, gonna be 3 weeks im excluded from the ladder, the only thing i wanted is to start a season from the beggining, gonna be 15 years im waiting for this and you just destroy all of it, thank you very much.

Go troll someone else.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 19, 2021, 07:43:06 PM
But you’ve never told me the issue. Can you explain?? You said something about an SQL error and I quoted it and asked what page you were getting it on. Now it sounds like you’re saying games aren’t counting, but then where are you seeing the error? Like I need some info here if I’m going to have any chance of fixing it!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 19, 2021, 08:01:12 PM
But you’ve never told me the issue. Can you explain?? You said something about an SQL error and I quoted it and asked what page you were getting it on. Now it sounds like you’re saying games aren’t counting, but then where are you seeing the error? Like I need some info here if I’m going to have any chance of fixing it!


http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search (http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search)

You surely did something to having this happening, no reason why it happen to me more then any other ones, stop trolling.

The proof that you are trolling is the fact that you keep trying to act like if you did nothing and you dont even know wich error i speak, if you do a normal search on the ladder for my name it bring you directly to that error.



Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Delete mine too on July 19, 2021, 08:56:15 PM
This is a SQLi.... you should patch.

Put any sql statements in the username. If you put ' as a username you will get this sqli....


Wow who tf recovered my account! I had changed this password to random junk and it's back now hmmm...
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 20, 2021, 10:53:52 AM
Mr Delete mine, can you elaborate?  You can send me a PM if you want.
But you’ve never told me the issue. Can you explain?? You said something about an SQL error and I quoted it and asked what page you were getting it on. Now it sounds like you’re saying games aren’t counting, but then where are you seeing the error? Like I need some info here if I’m going to have any chance of fixing it!


[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=equinox&Search=Search[/url])

You surely did something to having this happening, no reason why it happen to me more then any other ones, stop trolling.

The proof that you are trolling is the fact that you keep trying to act like if you did nothing and you dont even know wich error i speak, if you do a normal search on the ladder for my name it bring you directly to that error.





LOL, it is definitely not a troll, look:
http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=blid&Search=Search (http://ladder.war2.ru/?player=blid&Search=Search)
 
Same thing happens on my name.  From what I can see doing some quick poking, this happens if you do a search for any player who is not yet on the seasonal ladder.  I noticed search works for every player I tested that is ranked on it, and gets that error for every player who is not.  So, clearly, nothing to do with trolling you.

I'll have to see if I can find a way to fix that, it would seem the issue is the search is finding a match, but the match isn't part of the table being pulled, hence an error.  I don't know when I'll work on it since as far as I can tell it's not very important.  But is this stopping you from participating in the ladder, or is that a separate issue?  I would think you play one game on a non-gow bne map, and get ranked, you can search for your name too.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 20, 2021, 05:25:42 PM
I already played game in the beggining of the season and it dosent rank me, anyway dont lose ur time, i will not play ur trash season waste of time.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on July 20, 2021, 06:30:24 PM
I think Nox has a mild case of schizophrenia
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 20, 2021, 06:45:44 PM
I think Nox has a mild case of schizophrenia

This server die, thats a good thing, maybe a better server with more relevant admins whos actually cares about us will take charge of us in a near future.

Enjoy ur 20 active players.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on July 23, 2021, 06:33:34 AM
ive played some games. cant find them from the ladder.


how about we bring back the old system. IL can u do it plz if blid busy. pasiba
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 23, 2021, 03:24:26 PM
Ripe are you playing non-GOW maps?
http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE%5Beur0%5D (http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE%5Beur0%5D)

I see you are playing and it’s being recorded, but you need to play non-GOW BNE maps for it to count this season. If you have been doing that let me know
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: TNARICK on July 23, 2021, 03:28:38 PM
Spend your time and resources helping duda's league and making sure people play their matches. That's your best bet. Make him a website dedicated to his league. 2 people wanted this ladder. Equinox and baraman. One can't play in it and the other one disappeared.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on July 25, 2021, 05:22:39 AM
 http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE (http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE)[WaSTed]

 ive played gow with my wasted nick and theyve been recorded ??
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on July 25, 2021, 05:46:38 AM
Just return ladder back to normal and leave it alone.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on July 25, 2021, 07:50:18 AM
yes plz agree with kangaro0
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 26, 2021, 10:16:47 PM
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=RipE[/url])[WaSTed]

 ive played gow with my wasted nick and theyve been recorded ??

Yeah I saw that the BNE game counted. it wasn’t supposed to, I think it was because the map name was mistyped in the code. If that was the case, I fixed it the other day
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 10:15:15 AM
Equinox can play in it.  He played Lux twice in non-gow maps, and was automatically added to the ladder by doing so.  it's counting players as it should.  Does look like i need to take another look at how elo is being added but otherwise it's all systems go

Warning: In one week I will come through and demote all those in the top 20 with no qualifying game in the last 10 days by 30 spots, while if #1 does not defend his title by then he will be demoted by 10 spots.
Standings have been flushed

Winner of this season will have their name added for all time to the champions page on the ladder, as the champion of this season.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 11:26:55 AM
can play what, are you kidding me, i got 64 points for my win vs lux.

Ur ladder is broken and after almost 2 months it's still not fix properly, worst season ever bro.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 11:36:28 AM
Yes, you can play, get ranked, and move up in the standings, become a champion!!!  You can play and it's working.

"64 points"-- Elo is meaningless except for fun. we're not ranking by elo.  but i already said i need to take another look at it.  Ill add the starting 1300 to your score manually and youll be fine.  meanwhile ill take another crack at fixing the issue when i get the chance.  i only have the opportunity to work on this once in awhile, and i put in some changes last time that i thought might handle this but i guess they didnt.  ill try again soon
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 11:39:00 AM
Yes, you can play, get ranked, and move up in the standings, become a champion!!!  You can play and it's working.

"64 points"-- Elo is meaningless except for fun. we're not ranking by elo.  but i already said i need to take another look at it.  Ill add the starting 1300 to your score manually and youll be fine.  meanwhile ill take another crack at fixing the issue when i get the chance.  i only have the opportunity to work on this once in awhile, and i put in some changes last time that i thought might handle this but i guess they didnt.  ill try again soon

The fuck are you kidding me ELO is the most important ranking, no thanks im not gonna support lazy trash working.

Have a good day.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 11:42:14 AM
You're not being very nice Equinox.  It's the first season so just consider this a beta.  I put this together for people like you and it took some effort.  I'm not ignoring issues and have already made other updates and fixed other issues.  I will adjust your elo and you'll be fine, and I'll take another look at the issue causing some players to start @ 0. 

Also, elo is expressly NOT how we are naming champions or ranking players, it's just a column at the end of the standings for people's enjoyment, but I'm glad you like it.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 11:50:45 AM
You're not being very nice Equinox.  It's the first season so just consider this a beta.  I put this together for people like you and it took some effort.  I'm not ignoring issues and have already made other updates and fixed other issues.  I will adjust your elo and you'll be fine, and I'll take another look at the issue causing some players to start @ 0. 

Also, elo is expressly NOT how we are naming champions or ranking players, it's just a column at the end of the standings for people's enjoyment, but I'm glad you like it.

I think ur a troll bro, ive been really patient, but in 2 months you just have trolled me over and over... For more then 1 month i was exclude from the ladder, for the other month my elo is break up...

You say you got no time but its gonna be 2 MONTHS BRO! 2 MONTHS! If you canT fix some stupid shit like this in 2 months, then maybe you are irrelevant as admin on this server, thats what i think, sorry.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 11:56:44 AM
You shouldn't abuse people who are trying to contribute, because that makes it no fun to contribute.  You were added to the ladder as soon as you played a non-GOW game, which is how it works.  Same with Ripe.  I already fixed your elo score.  It's all good. 

Work is incremental.  I'm very busy and can't access the site on my regular computer, but we're making progress.  All the games get counted and players get ranked fine.  Your elo also will be fine from here.  The ladder and the season are pretty much in good working condition, and i should know how to easily reset the ladder and put in new restrictions for future seasons, which will be fun.  Winners at the end can be added to the champions page, it'll be cool.

Now I'm not a programmer, and never have done any coding outside of this project, but i learned a little and built this just for this community.  I thought I found the issue with the elo and corrected it but apparently not.  Again, this is not my trade and im not a pro at this, but I will try again.  Please try to have some patience and some manners.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 12:11:53 PM
You shouldn't abuse people who are trying to contribute, because that makes it no fun to contribute.  You were added to the ladder as soon as you played a non-GOW game, which is how it works.  Same with Ripe.  I already fixed your elo score.  It's all good. 

Work is incremental.  I'm very busy and can't access the site on my regular computer, but we're making progress.  All the games get counted and players get ranked fine.  Your elo also will be fine from here.  The ladder and the season are pretty much in good working condition, and i should know how to easily reset the ladder and put in new restrictions for future seasons, which will be fun.  Winners at the end can be added to the champions page, it'll be cool.

Now I'm not a programmer, and never have done any coding outside of this project, but i learned a little and built this just for this community.  I thought I found the issue with the elo and corrected it but apparently not.  Again, this is not my trade and im not a pro at this, but I will try again.  Please try to have some patience and some manners.

Comming from someone who start a server 3 months ago.... It would sound good, but comming from someone whos is admins here since the last 15 years..... It just proof how all those admins and staff are irrelevant.

When the server cant fix properly the ladder that we have for the last 15 years, it just show how lazy and useless you guys have been..

When you wanna be admin and act like one, then responsabilitys com with it.

It's not about manner, it's about truth.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 12:24:03 PM
Well, this is the first season of a new project, and the new season model is basically fully functional and working.  Im very busy in my personal life and have limited access as well, as ive already said, so you will just have to bear with us with the small bugs.  That's just the facts and they aren't changing.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 12:37:48 PM
Well, this is the first season of a new project, and the new season model is basically fully functional and working.  Im very busy in my personal life and have limited access as well, as ive already said, so you will just have to bear with us with the small bugs.  That's just the facts and they aren't changing.

Congratulation, you guys almost made something good for us after 15 years, better then just show on the forum to talk about NBA and politics all day long and goes complaint about burnt after.  :newthumbsup:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: DenzelWW on July 28, 2021, 01:18:23 PM
LOlllllll imagine Equinox as admin he will insult all of you np yup
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 02:18:55 PM
LOlllllll imagine Equinox as admin he will insult all of you np yup

Equinox as the main admin will save that game for ever, np.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: {Lance} on July 28, 2021, 02:30:58 PM
The fuck are you kidding me ELO is the most important ranking, no thanks im not gonna support lazy trash working.

Elo is a shit ranking system and has been since the advent of modern online games.  It's designed for a completely different environment in an age where the internet didnt even exist let alone online games (1940s).  ELO is easily saturated/exploited by "grinding" points from lower ranked players which is backwards to how one should gain rank.  A ladder rating system is a far better ranking system for CURRENT players in an online environment.  ELO is nothing more than a fun aspect of modern gaming systems that suffer from the "grinding" problem.  When you're playing a game in-person that can take hours or even days to complete, ELO becomes much more accurate.  But when you're playing an online game that can end in 5 minutes,  it's completely worthless.  The original BNET SC/War2 ladders proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt in very painful ways.  The Champions of the BNE ladder were mostly no-name 24x7 point grinders with the exception of the first few ladder seasons.

Ladder systems reward those who actually beat higher ranked players.  Elo rewards those who have the most time to waste.  Modern games use ELO not because it's a good system,  but because its GOOD FOR BUSINESS.  What better way to make money than to encourage people to play your shit game 24x7 to grind points,  especially if it's a subscription based game (such as WoW).  It also helps the game become more popular as it keeps players online for as long as possible which can artificially increase a game's perceived "popularity".  The more people online,  the more likely you're going to stay online as well.  The fewer people there are to play with,  the more likely you are to log off also.  So dont confuse ELO with superiority when it comes to Ranking players vs a Ladder ranking system.  It's simply a pointless argument.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 03:42:17 PM
The fuck are you kidding me ELO is the most important ranking, no thanks im not gonna support lazy trash working.

Elo is a shit ranking system and has been since the advent of modern online games.  It's designed for a completely different environment in an age where the internet didnt even exist let alone online games (1940s).  ELO is easily saturated/exploited by "grinding" points from lower ranked players which is backwards to how one should gain rank.  A ladder rating system is a far better ranking system for CURRENT players in an online environment.  ELO is nothing more than a fun aspect of modern gaming systems that suffer from the "grinding" problem.  When you're playing a game in-person that can take hours or even days to complete, ELO becomes much more accurate.  But when you're playing an online game that can end in 5 minutes,  it's completely worthless.  The original BNET SC/War2 ladders proved that beyond a shadow of a doubt in very painful ways.  The Champions of the BNE ladder were mostly no-name 24x7 point grinders with the exception of the first few ladder seasons.

Ladder systems reward those who actually beat higher ranked players.  Elo rewards those who have the most time to waste.  Modern games use ELO not because it's a good system,  but because its GOOD FOR BUSINESS.  What better way to make money than to encourage people to play your shit game 24x7 to grind points,  especially if it's a subscription based game (such as WoW).  It also helps the game become more popular as it keeps players online for as long as possible which can artificially increase a game's perceived "popularity".  The more people online,  the more likely you're going to stay online as well.  The fewer people there are to play with,  the more likely you are to log off also.  So dont confuse ELO with superiority when it comes to Ranking players vs a Ladder ranking system.  It's simply a pointless argument.

Im not gonna even read that because the first line you write is total lie.... Elo is a bad system into teams games, true, but elo is the most accurate and the best system ever to rate 1v1.

You just cant trick and cheat elo in 1v1, elo is base on ur personal performance, you can play whatever trash you want and try to abbuse it, but you will never reach best players if you dont play them and dont beat them.




Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: {Lance} on July 28, 2021, 04:26:05 PM

You just cant trick and cheat elo in 1v1, elo is base on ur personal performance, you can play whatever trash you want and try to abbuse it, but you will never reach best players if you dont play them and dont beat them.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight,  so this is why stuff like this exists on thah interwebz:  https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/)

Pay VERY close attention to how much emphasis it places on TIME rather than RANK OF PLAYERS YOU PLAY.

Nox,  ELO is not for online games.  It's a BUSINESS decision to attract players under the guise that it's actually ranking people when it really isnt.  All it does is reward those who have the most time to waste.  Thats why there are literally 100s of guides online on how to "grind" elo points for just about every game you can think of that uses ELO as a ranking system.  You wont find such a guide for a Ladder system because its NOT POSSIBLE to "grind" up a ladder without playing players above you.  Its mathematically not possible where as it's VERY possible with ELO which is why there are "howtos" on how to do just that.  Cheat the system.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 04:35:57 PM

You just cant trick and cheat elo in 1v1, elo is base on ur personal performance, you can play whatever trash you want and try to abbuse it, but you will never reach best players if you dont play them and dont beat them.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiight,  so this is why stuff like this exists on thah interwebz:  https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/24yjv9/diamond_guide_to_grinding_elo/)

Pay VERY close attention to how much emphasis it places on TIME rather than RANK OF PLAYERS YOU PLAY.

Nox,  ELO is not for online games.  It's a BUSINESS decision to attract players under the guise that it's actually ranking people when it really isnt.  All it does is reward those who have the most time to waste.  Thats why there are literally 100s of guides online on how to "grind" elo points for just about every game you can think of that uses ELO as a ranking system.  You wont find such a guide for a Ladder system because its NOT POSSIBLE to "grind" up a ladder without playing players above you.  Its mathematically not possible where as it's VERY possible with ELO which is why there are "howtos" on how to do just that.  Cheat the system.

The fuck dude i just told you elo is bad in teams game and you com back to proof ur points with LoL wich is a team games...

Bro chess have been ranked his entire history by elo systeme and it's not an Online game, ELO system is perfect in 1v1 but trash in team games.


Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: {Lance} on July 28, 2021, 04:43:25 PM
Nox, you're not understanding the TIME issue.  Did you know that chess is a game that can take hrs, days, even weeks?  You cant "grind" chess wins in a chess league due to the time factor UNLESS the league implements speed rounds which is perfect for grinding ELO.  The standard time limit for a Chess game is generally 60 to 90 minutes.  The avg game time for an online 1v1 game like War2 is 5-15 minutes.  Your also not understanding that its POSSIBLE to grind out ELO points.  And if it's possible,  it WILL be done which is why guides exist to show how to grind ELO points for ANY game you want to mention.  Thats just how things work.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on July 28, 2021, 04:43:28 PM
it's like this... you can beat up weaker players and never play anyone better than you, and this will still keep boosting your ELO.  You just have to keep playing a bunch.  On the other hand you can't climb a rungs-based ladder without beating people ranked above you.

Now, i will say, since literally every 1v1 game is recorded on our ladder and nobody cares about maximizing elo (and doesn't care much about rung rankings either) we don't really have the problem of dodging, so elo ends up looking pretty good as a measure of skill. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on July 28, 2021, 10:37:09 PM
it's like this... you can beat up weaker players and never play anyone better than you, and this will still keep boosting your ELO.  You just have to keep playing a bunch.  On the other hand you can't climb a rungs-based ladder without beating people ranked above you.

Now, i will say, since literally every 1v1 game is recorded on our ladder and nobody cares about maximizing elo (and doesn't care much about rung rankings either) we don't really have the problem of dodging, so elo ends up looking pretty good as a measure of skill.

There a point where abusing of weaker players dosent work anymore, maybe an abuser dont play better then him, but the weaks players that he play would play against better player then him, wich allow better players to get over the abuser... If you wanna gain more points in a ELO systeme then you got to play better then you, if you only play weak peoples with poor elo then you gotta keep winning 3 points per games instead of 32.

You cant abbuse 1v1 elo ladder.

Maybe in begginning of season, but there always a time where elo gonna fix himself and gonna start to give more or less points for a win.

So keeping playing newbe with poor elo will not do anything.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: {Lance} on July 29, 2021, 08:42:39 PM
winning 3 points per games instead of 32.

You just proved my point for me.  This is called "GRINDING".  Look up the word,  I know english isnt your first language but the word "Grinding" means doing something repetitively in order to SLOWLY gain something.  IE:  Win 3 points instead of 32.   You just proved that the ELO system CAN be abused......... 3 points at a time (although thats not really correct, but its good enough to show you that you're wrong).  It doesnt matter if it's 3 points 300 points or 0.0000001 points.  The problem is that it's a number GREATER than 0.  Since that's the case,  people can and WILL abuse it by simply playing 1000s upon 1000s of games.  In a rung ladder system,  the ONLY way to climb is to play someone ABOVE you.  In otherwords,  the number is ZERO chance of "grinding" anything in order to cheat/abuse the ladder.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on July 30, 2021, 11:47:25 PM
Well, this is the first season of a new project, and the new season model is basically fully functional and working.  Im very busy in my personal life and have limited access as well, as ive already said, so you will just have to bear with us with the small bugs.  That's just the facts and they aren't changing.

Just put the ladder back to how it was, this new "model" hasn't made anyone play more often. Then you wont have to tell us about your busy personal life etc.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on August 04, 2021, 04:20:36 PM
some1 gimme a clear answer. what is this ladder now? so all 1v1s counts when NON-GOW MAPS? have i understood correct?

Sincerely urz, RIPESTICKZ0R <3


Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 06, 2021, 08:48:44 AM
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.

gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on August 08, 2021, 10:04:35 AM
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.

gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking

Put gow in that damn ladder you slow brain.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 08, 2021, 12:22:09 PM
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.

gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking

You know I have stayed out this thread up to this point but I think I do need to side with EQ.
This whole ladder redone has been a random zoo for weeks.

I get the premises  unfortunately aside u8 nobody plays anything other than Gow and have little interest to.
I think it is better to just put the ladder back to the way it was before all these changes came about but that’s my opinion.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: LoRyS.iT on August 08, 2021, 12:47:54 PM
You are correct, all non-gow BNE count.

gow games still are recorded, they just don't impact ranking

You know I have stayed out this thread up to this point but I think I do need to side with EQ.
This whole ladder redone has been a random zoo for weeks.

I get the premises  unfortunately aside u8 nobody plays anything other than Gow and have little interest to.
I think it is better to just put the ladder back to the way it was before all these changes came about but that’s my opinion.

THIS.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Zelya on August 13, 2021, 03:41:43 AM
Put player's name and press search:

"You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MariaDB server version for the right syntax to use near '-50' at line 1"
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Zelya on August 13, 2021, 03:50:03 AM
Player East_ok:

http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok (http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok)


Page has "err" text only.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on August 15, 2021, 10:49:49 AM
i actually enjoy this. other maps than gow, ive always enjoyed. and here we see the real skills after all not just gow skills. watch the scoreboard, it is at least interesting.

will try playin more.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on August 15, 2021, 10:50:29 AM
however games site isnt working http://ladder.war2.ru/games.php (http://ladder.war2.ru/games.php)

does it even count games atm?...

Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on August 15, 2021, 05:43:44 PM
fix the ladda. im out untill.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Rus on August 15, 2021, 06:28:36 PM
is the ladder not working ? I have played 5-7 1c games on one vs one and gsew maps , I do not see the results .
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 26, 2021, 11:34:25 AM
Old news obviously but everything i can tell that was just a standard outage.

Meanwhile...
Player East_ok:

[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/player.php?player=East_ok[/url])


Page has "err" text only.

iL did a security fix to stop sql injections that impacted this.  I told him about the bug awhile back... will try to remind him
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on August 26, 2021, 11:40:22 AM
i think the gow/ef community was what was the last bit of glue holding this community together.

i think creating this ladder had unintended consequences.

since it's implementation, i have not seen any of the "top 10" aggressively battling for rank.

i personally dont even look at the ladder any more.

not something i would have predicted.. but it appears to be what has happened.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 26, 2021, 12:49:16 PM
Hmm I don't think anyone has "battled for rank" on the ladder in years.  When top players do a 1v1 series I don't think it's been because of the ladder for a long long time.  People liked having it so they could track their game histories but that's the only thing I think most anyone was using it for.  Am I terribly wrong?  If anything this should have increased interest in ranks because now there is actually an "end" to the ladder and someone will be declared a winner.  Normally there's never anything like that so there's even less point.

I'll switch GOW back on for a one-month September season.  Maybe that will be a better introduction to the "season" and "champion" format we're trying here since as I well know GOW is mostly the only thing anyone cares about.  But that takes away the intentionality of playing these games and of it being a ladder-- then players kind of just get autoranked from playing normally.  That's fine I guess but then it's not really of interest that much, imo, so in October I would roll back out a Halloween themed season with no GOW.

That's my current plans anyway, unless we get a flood of people saying they actually care about rankings on the old format.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: ~ToRa~ on August 27, 2021, 06:11:17 AM
That's my current plans anyway, unless we get a flood of people saying they actually care about rankings on the old format.

Blid are you serious? Who actually supports this ladder idea of yours?
“Flood of people” lol we only have 20-40 active players most of which aren’t even watching the forums. Lmfao.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Player on August 27, 2021, 10:33:19 AM
I like the idea and it looks like there’s a lot of activity on the ladder for maps other than GOW.  The season concept seems better than doing nothing.

Maybe throw some money at the season winner Tora?  Top 3 or something. 
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Swift on August 27, 2021, 11:33:03 AM
Since when did blid hijack warcraft 2
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on August 27, 2021, 12:26:33 PM
Since when did blid hijack warcraft 2
heh a few people requested this and i thought it would be fun so I tried to implement it!  I don't want to abandon it immediately unless there's enough feedback to that effect

That's my current plans anyway, unless we get a flood of people saying they actually care about rankings on the old format.

Blid are you serious? Who actually supports this ladder idea of yours?
“Flood of people” lol we only have 20-40 active players most of which aren’t even watching the forums. Lmfao.
Flood in war2 speak just means a handful of people haha. But there's been a few people expressing some support too, so i'm not hearing a clear consensus to dump the project.  like i said, though, i will enable GOW for the September season which i think will satisfy a lot of people.  Then we'll go from there.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Harrywangs on August 27, 2021, 12:59:53 PM
You noob, that is because of Duda's league!! :)
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on September 02, 2021, 01:07:38 PM
im on blids side even tho i hate lefties. this ladder system was great. maybe one in winter too? normal ladda fall n spring n non-gow summer winter??

anyway? how does this now go? it is september 2. what rules, when works, whats happening, tell me the news , plus fukk me into ass plzz  :ok_hand:
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on September 03, 2021, 08:49:25 AM
I think your ladder idea has been a complete failure. You're clutching at straws that there are people who agree with you. There might be 2 or 3. Seasons was a good idea but you need to include Garden of War. The only reason other maps have been playing was because of Duda's league. Nothing to do with the ladder. Change it back to how it was or run seasons with GOW in it.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: ~ToRa~ on September 03, 2021, 10:28:04 PM
Since when did blid hijack warcraft 2

Well Blid does have control of the ladder so if he decides something not much the player base can do.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: tk[as] on September 04, 2021, 12:00:30 AM
Good intentions. Worth trying. Unfortunate outcome imo.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on September 07, 2021, 01:10:12 PM
sg u r wrong.

me and many ruskies played other maps and lorys etc.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on September 07, 2021, 01:13:43 PM
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on September 08, 2021, 04:52:23 AM
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.

Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Szwagier on September 08, 2021, 06:48:17 AM
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.

Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Most maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitc
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on September 08, 2021, 09:29:22 AM
Most maps u
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.

Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Most maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitc

You answered your own question, most classic maps. No one plays the ladder maps and not all classic maps were remade there. Most people play Gseps which is very imbalanced in itself not to mention extremely repetitive. Without GOW as the staple map this game died 10 years ago and that's a fact.

Also looks like ripe has play 9 games on the new ladder system since it's been out, he's really making full use of it :\
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on September 08, 2021, 10:03:05 AM
Just ban u8 from the server, this dude brainwash everyone and it kill the game.

How the hell the most famous hacker of all time is leading the server, good one.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: maciek on September 08, 2021, 11:24:19 AM
Just ban u8 from the server, this dude brainwash everyone and it kill the game.

How the hell the most famous hacker of all time is leading the server, good one.
+1
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Szwagier on September 08, 2021, 11:30:26 AM
Most maps u
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.

Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Most maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitc

You answered your own question, most classic maps. No one plays the ladder maps and not all classic maps were remade there. Most people play Gseps which is very imbalanced in itself not to mention extremely repetitive. Without GOW as the staple map this game died 10 years ago and that's a fact.

Also looks like ripe has play 9 games on the new ladder system since it's been out, he's really making full use of it :\

I disagree, lot of people left special new people cause we are playing only gow/chop, our biggest problem is bad manner special for new players, on modern games people like equinox would be banned
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on September 08, 2021, 01:46:26 PM
Go read other forums and watch videos on youtube, since 2021 everyone complaint about moddler and peoples who try to play with code sources..

It's actually the most discuss topic on blizzard and alot of compagny at the moment, i could give you tons of forum threads and tons of videos on youtube where everyone complaint about it.

Blizzard are fighting moddlers like you everyday and find solution for those things to not happen anymore.

You are a little troll who have hacked this games for years, a little troll who have get ban from twitch, a little troll who have destroy this game by influence everyone to take bad decisions and now this server is barely reaching 30 players.

Server have never been so bad since my departure on the server and thats exactly why i left, so you all can see it by ur own eyes.

Why do you think blizzard get rid of all those games they have made around 1995 and 2000, cuz peoples like you where trying to moddling it and they were also using corrupted ports to hacks peoples, not only they get rid of it but they remaster it so peoples can enjoy new safe version without peoples like you.

You are a troll, a hacker, a liar, a manipulator and you dont deserve to be part of this community anymore by ur selfish and useless behavior.

I got every games of blizzard and activision and never have been ban from anywhere.

But i can assure you if you try to do what you do here on warcraft II it would take 1 months and you will get ban like twitch did to you cuz ur a coward cheater!

Being a cheater is part of you, cheat the game, cheat the twitch, cheat admins mentality weakness, and not only you are a cheater but you also think peoples are stupid cuz they dont have any interess in cheating the game.

Thats the truth!
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on September 09, 2021, 04:05:51 AM
Most maps u
just because "pros" didnt get to play gow 247 in ladder doesnt make this failure.

with little fixes it works fine. and it was and it is a good idea. we have played gow enough. lets lets the real skills.

u can always play that ur gow and i do too sometimes. it just doesnt couunt in ladder. i dont rly feel that it is even wrong cuz old gow is unfair map with the 6-8 thing.

swift vs u8. every time each of them has s9 or 6 loses. it messes up the real series. the real statistics.

Most maps are unfair. GOW is unique in that every game is different. It is the reason people still play this game TBH. Do you know that...you and ruskies can play GOW even when its an active ladder map? :D
Most maps? Like what? Most classic are imbalanced, and they were fixed in ladder folder like gow hsc mitc

You answered your own question, most classic maps. No one plays the ladder maps and not all classic maps were remade there. Most people play Gseps which is very imbalanced in itself not to mention extremely repetitive. Without GOW as the staple map this game died 10 years ago and that's a fact.

Also looks like ripe has play 9 games on the new ladder system since it's been out, he's really making full use of it :\

I disagree, lot of people left special new people cause we are playing only gow/chop, our biggest problem is bad manner special for new players, on modern games people like equinox would be banned

I don't think new people leave because of maps that we play. The game is simply old and will not attract new people who wish to put time into learning it. That is the sad truth.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: RipE[Eur0] on September 09, 2021, 12:46:14 PM
u r wrong again sg.

other maps "some of them" r unbalanced too. but the trick is. we all dont know all of the maps. its always a surprise a little for one or both. thats the thing,

and put that old gow in ur arse. it has always been a disaster . ive played it cuz every1 does so i have to. bne gow shud b the main map if ppl seriously wanna play gow. it is fair at at least.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Nox on September 09, 2021, 02:46:36 PM
Can we have statistics of the most played maps this month?

Oh gow 80%

Chop 15%

Other maps 5% on duda league.

Probleme solve ripe, ur delusional.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Harrywangs on September 09, 2021, 05:29:06 PM
When I came back 10ish years ago I was forced to play GOWF because nobody played anything else. Before that I NEVER played GOW and hated it because that is all anyone used to play back on BNET. At that point, there were a lot more people playing on RU. So, I don't think the lack of diversified maps has anything to do with it.

As SG basically said, people are getting old, the game is old, and younger people don't want to play this given the other choices out there. We can give it the ole college try in an attempt to revive it but let's face it, it is what it is. Enjoy it while you can.
Title: Re: ANNOUNCING: War2 Ladder Summer Season - Garden No More
Post by: Shotgun on September 10, 2021, 03:41:16 AM
Yes the best chance to to keep current players and past players happy and active. Recruiting new players is kind of pointless IMO.