Very impressive that claw was able to not only keep up, but surpass lamb chops in some of those statistics. That must take an insane amount of skill to do versus somebody using automated ogre production and automated ogre control
Insanely fast. You're so fast and accurate in the replay it almost looks ike you're able to click the barracks and type O at the same time. And click on hall and P. Very impressive speed.THX
THE LESSON WE CAN ALL TAKE HERE IS:It takes more than that. You could own him in 3 minutes every game, and also can employ sappers, cats, hall blocks and he won't know what to do.
1) DONT USE HAX!
2) IT TAKES ONE NEWBIE AND A POWERFUL HACK TO COMPETE WITH A LEGEND
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
THAT CONSENSUS IS YEARS OLD AND COULD BE A SUBJECT FOR ANOTHER DISCUSSION.Macro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
It shouldnt be tolerated any macro
this is correct. 0 tolerance for a macro like this to auto-train from all rax, it's a pure hack. & i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :PMacro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
its gooder to hax hard and NEVER get caught!
Are you really trying to convince all the people you showed your hacks to that somehow that was just in private and you don't hack all day every day?
yes
damn, that looks pretty conclusive to me. that really sucks. ;( good to catch a cheater though.
i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :P
ANY1 CAN INSIGHT AND CHECK FOR HAX IF THEY NEED TO
YOURE NOT A PART OF THE CLUB
Claw is an annoying racist yeah. and I read the whole post, but your accusation still looks theoretical, like postulating. Some people just are very fast, those two barracks are right next to each other, is this really proof?
I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot, but certainly I have no kotr build macros*. In this game my base is built the old fashioned way, that is easy to spot - for starters because I miss place my first hall - eww not a PM how noobish. That's why I put a smith below the hall, normally I do smiths next to the unused corner mine and another hall below the first one, but it is 1 space too low so I corrected with the smith. Also you can see all the peons standing around while I am frantically building rax and farms. I repair build my mound with 6 peons after claw already has ogres in droids base.
So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.it looks like you're denying using macros altogether -- so why are your ogres training simultaneously? no one but you is citing some elaborate base-building macro; from the replay it looks like you're building your base manually, training the peons & grunts manually, but once it's time to make ogres they're all training at once, the gold drops thousands at once when they all train, they stop training when there's no farms then all rax instantly train as soon as there's available farms, etc etc. whether claw is hacking or not, we're talking about you rn.
So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.
I went into that game knowing full well he would be hacking his ass off as per usual
I have no build macros, unless you count the mad bot
we're talking about you rn.
"Macro hack" sounds so noobish, like something claw would use.well let's catch one before we move on to the other. why aren't you talking about your ogres building simultaneously, which they clearly are?So do I go around build macro hacking in games? No. Do I go around bragging and claiming to be "invincible". No I don't. Do I have the skills to pump out a crap load of units when playing against this serial hacker just so I can laugh really hard at his loudmouth nazi ass and rub his nose in it - well of course I do.I went into that game knowing full well he would be hacking his ass off as per usualI have no build macros, unless you count the mad botwe're talking about you rn.
Oh, I thought we were talking about how good it is to catch a cheater :thinking:
ENOURMOUS ILLOGICAL PANICKING DUMMY SPIT REMOVED
You are a worthless piece of shit who has spent countless hours hacking and destroying the game for your own amusement.
ANYWAY IN KOTR ITS POSSIBLE TO FIND AN ADEQUATE ENEMY FOR ME. YESTERDAY I PLAYED WITH Silent~Farts AND WE'RE KINDA EVEN (BUT OF COURSE HIS MOUSE WAS 'BROKEN' AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN PWNED OTHERWISE)
ITS NOT A MATTER OF BEING INVINCIBLE, BUT RATHER STICKING TO OUR OWN LEAGUES. EQ WAS KIND ENOUGH TO PUT U IN B-, BUT YOURE MORE OF A D-. ME, ON THE OTHER HAND.... GRADE A @ KOTR
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818194400_027511[/url])
[url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521[/url] ([url]http://ladder.war2.ru/reports/gr_20190818195829_027521[/url])
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing. I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong. I do think he's caught hacking here :(
He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(
you can clearly see these 2 rax - and only these 2 rax - glitch together at 2:35, 2:50, 3:20, 3:35, 4:35, 6:55, 7:15, 9:50 and 10:05To read it where? In insight replay? Not sure if insight will show glitches, i'd say no...
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.proof it moron or stfu
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.proof it moron or stfu
https://ifotos.pl/z/qswaxnx
there is no information old version is illegal
If you can show a video or w/e with detailed explanation and prooves against Claw in your game, maybe that would partially explain your position against him, though that's still not acceptable behavior i think...ITS HARD TO PROVE BASING ON ONE REPLAY AND UNLIKE LAMBCHOPS, MY GAMEPLAY IS ABSOLUTELY TRANSPARENT. I CAN 1V1 ANYONE ANYTIME WITH WARVID/WAR2INSIGHT ON. I ACTUALLY RECORDED 3 KOTR GAMES VS SILENT JUST NOW, HAD POSTED MANY WARVIDEOS OF CHOP MAD OR ARCHERS (EVEN VS SWIFT) ON YOUTUBE. ITS A DESPERATE "NO U" ATTEMPT
Also, i'm just going to release new combat in a few days with your plugin system, but how that will look like after things happened?YEAH LAMBCHOPS IS A GOOD DUDE IF HIS ATTENTION IS SET IN RIGHT DIRECTION. SINCE THE WOOD PLUGIN HE'S KINDA LOSING IT. SUM KIND OF A SLAP ON THE WRIST OR WAKE UP CALL WITH COLD BUCKET ONTO HIS HEAD WOULD DO...
Not sure what i should do now.
Stop acting like you care u8 with your rigged version.proof it moron or stfu
https://ifotos.pl/z/qswaxnx
there is no information old version is illegal
Whats this screenie proove? You got 3 different version and they are all rigged? :rofl: :sweat: :sob:
I already told you, here the version you need.
(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])
I already told you, here the version you need.
(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])
show me rule about it
I already told you, here the version you need.
(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])
show me rule about it
There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.
I already told you, here the version you need.
(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])
show me rule about it
There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.
so if there is no rule, im clear
I already told you, here the version you need.
(http://[url=https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png]https://www.noelshack.com/2019-33-5-1565933950-correct-version-for-polish.png[/url])
show me rule about it
There no rules about it cuz admins are retard, but me and you and every high players know we should show exemple, expecially you mr grand master.
so if there is no rule, im clear
Clear hacker, yeah.
Grand master my ass, your not even a grand player.
1- Your just a trash for this game, whatever i think.
2- All this thing about legend, grand master and master mean absolutly no shit, it's all rigged like your version.
3- I dont play and encourage hacker.
1- Your just a trash for this game, whatever i think.
2- All this thing about legend, grand master and master mean absolutly no shit, it's all rigged like your version.
3- I dont play and encourage hacker.
proof it
I won almost every tour in 2017
I won almost every tour in 2017
Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.
I won almost every tour in 2017
Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.
You can search it on youtube/twitch, rules was about warvideo but i had stream its enough
well let's catch one before we move on to the other. why aren't you talking about your ogres building simultaneously, which they clearly are?
Also, i'm just going to release new combat in a few days with your plugin system, but how that will look like after things happened?
Not sure what i should do now.
Another problem is what to do with such marco hacks for future.
you can clearly see these 2 rax - and only these 2 rax - glitch together at 2:35, 2:50, 3:20, 3:35, 4:35, 6:55, 7:15, 9:50 and 10:05To read it where? In insight replay? Not sure if insight will show glitches, i'd say no...
If you can show a video or w/e with detailed explanation and prooves against Claw in your game, maybe that would partially explain your position against him, though that's still not acceptable behavior i think...
I won almost every tour in 2017
Win almost every tourneys without anti hack, yeah good one.
You can search it on youtube/twitch, rules was about warvideo but i had stream its enough
I dont cares about your streaming, i repeat my question and answer to it.
Did you ever win a tourney with anti hack?
Yes or no?
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing. I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong. I do think he's caught hacking here :(
He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(
So, there are a lot of macros from Lambchops during whole the game. For example from the game starting:
([url]http://i.piccy.info/i9/9ebdaeac78bd3a5acee058986272381e/1566290867/12035/1330457/Untitled.png[/url])
You can see that he selected Unit #1523 and move them manually. But later trigger push the next queue of commands:
Select TH, train peon, select previous unit (to continue manual control).
This macro is used during all the first part of the game. Later macros take control under barracks and grunts/ogres. At the end of game Lambchop wasn't playing at all. But more than 100 commands per net cycle were autogenerated (>1000 APM).
I can suppose that Lambchops was trying to test some very quick and dirty implementation of game AI. Because he supported his scripts at the begging of game (when you need to build the base properly) and was very passive at the end of game.
BUT. If this was AI test, why did he not mention about this? Why did he blame Claw? Maybe I missed something in replay, but I cannot see his cheats. Just chaotic manual building, like this:
([url]http://i.piccy.info/i9/572b4f58a3c53fe50e88b00270ea3b29/1566292058/9331/1330457/Untitled.png[/url])
As you can see, Donald_Trump selects barracks and pushes "O" hotkey several times as usual player. 2-4 commands per cycle.
Very strange.
Wow! Action tracker is really a great thing!
Not sure its results should be published here though, as that is a tool to detect such macro cheaters.
Publishing such logs can let hackers learn to bypass cheat detection. So i'd prefer to keep it secret.
Also would be interesting to scan the existing database of replays for cheaters, who knows who could be caught that way?..
At the end of game Lambchop wasn't playing at all.
But more than 100 commands per net cycle were autogenerated (>1000 APM).
I can suppose that Lambchops was trying to test some very quick and dirty implementation of game AI. Because he supported his scripts at the begging of game (when you need to build the base properly) and was very passive at the end of game.
BUT. If this was AI test, why did he not mention about this?
Why did he blame Claw? Maybe I missed something in replay, but I cannot see his cheats.
Just chaotic manual building, like this:
As you can see, Donald_Trump selects barracks and pushes "O" hotkey several times as usual player. 2-4 commands per cycle.
Very strange.
I've never messed with packet spying/modding/injecting for the game, although I understand there were some oldschool hacks that worked that way.
So it's not a state-of-the-art AI if even Russian noob like me noticed something was wrong. He could at least use random timing for an imitation of quick pianist's fingers.
And also I use Insight 1.04 with an autorecord script (thx to IL), and I couldn't watch the whole replay there.
It says "Corrupt replay file" after 2:19. Insight 1.05 RC1 doesn't have this problem.
I think something is launched at 2:19, something that 1.04 doesn't like & crashes.
Me & CLAW are agreed for $15 forfeit I think. I'll send my PayPal later.
Also would be interesting to scan the existing database of replays for cheaters, who knows who could be caught that way?..Yea,thats good idea to check macros, cheats
And also I use Insight 1.04 with an autorecord script (thx to IL), and I couldn't watch the whole replay there.I don't recommend to use 1.04 anymore, 1.05 is better. Though 1.05 doesn't support autorecord as 1.04 do.
It says "Corrupt replay file" after 2:19. Insight 1.05 RC1 doesn't have this problem.
I don't consider lambchops accusing you to be equivalent to fabricating evidence/framing. I think the usernames etc he provided of yours were real, and it was just his dellam conclusion/accusation that was wrong. I do think he's caught hacking here :(
He's always been a really decent guy, helpful when you have a problem, he's even helped me with a non-War2 related thing or two, so I'm disappointed in this stuff happening lately :(
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.I UNDERSTAND. CAN YOU PLEASE AT LEAST KINDLY ASK HIM TO NEVER DO THAT AGAIN, AT LEAST NOT IN MY GAMEZ
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.
I guess it’s been determined that Lamb did use a macro hack on the server.
But because he is a bad player and isn’t playing to win I guess nobody is making a big deal...U know if it were swift, SG, or, u8 it would be a huge uproar lmao.
damn, that looks pretty conclusive to me. that really sucks. ;( good to catch a cheater though.this is correct. 0 tolerance for a macro like this to auto-train from all rax, it's a pure hack. & i don't think claw made a post to call out his own hacks :PMacro builds huh. The custom community has argued that it’s legal on maps like BGH. What is the consensus about macros like this? And did Lamb or Claw use it?THE ONLY MACROHACK TOLERATED BY W2 COMMUNITY IS DOUBLECLICK. EVERYTHING ELSE SHOULD BE//IS BANABLE
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .
Yamon also caught him using macros in 2016, so this isn't something new for him.THAT WASNT PROPERLY REPORTED THEN, BECAUSE I DONT REMEMBER.
In all seriousness, who does the auto slow?
Whoever has the auto cast slow- please come out- you just balanced Warcraft 2. We won’t ban but instead promote youlmaoooo i love it
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .
been on vacation the last week... has there been any action against lamb?Lock his name for a week I think/ipban it I guess. Can’t just leave it be probably. .
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.
U know I only just watched the opening video now that video i do need to watch the entire insight at some point.PLEASE DO.
IT WAS A NORMAL GAME AND HE HACKED. ITS NOT A SIMULATION IF NOONE BUT LAMBCHOPS AGREES IT WAS A SIMULATION. HE BLATANTLY HACKED.If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.
Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.
Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.
How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.
Custom communities tend to think macros like that are okay. They are playing a different game than war2 classic/bne.
Lotta people have done it on the server over the years. Is it "okay" to do it on the server? No.
Heh that says “training simultaneous ogres,” as in training ogres simultaneously, it doesn’t say “training simulation” :) and yes there’s a rule against running macros and a rule against hacks and those are the only ways to achieve this.If there is some penalty for training simultainious ogres then I will happiy accept it provided it is applied to all players in that game who were doing this... me AND claw.
Is that all it was? Just a training simulation? If that’s all it was okay. But next time probably do that on the backup server or the mousetopher server.
Was claw running the same macro?
Hacking has never been tolerated in PBall. On east there were a lot of map hackers who played PBall because it can help a lot in PBall and was nearly impossible to prove then with no admins and all. It's never been allowed in tournaments, or fun/competitive games, with PBall players who hack or are suspected of hacking being considered scum.How is that ok? It's blatant cheating and probably even worse than map hacking.
Custom communities tend to think macros like that are okay. They are playing a different game than war2 classic/bne.
Lotta people have done it on the server over the years. Is it "okay" to do it on the server? No.
NEVER HEARD OF IT... THE ONLY ACCEPTED THING IS A DOUBLECLICK IN BGH NO AIR
MAYBE YOURE THINKING OF PBALL COMMUNITY... I THINK THEY EVEN TOLERATED MAPHACK AT SOME POINT LOL
your game is dead wow way to goNEVER POST IN MY THREADS U IDIOT