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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Yamon on November 12, 2015, 09:45:58 AM
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I've been playing for about 4-5 months now since i've come back to war2. And every single day i see martin18 online. This is my request. I would like kale unbanned from war2. I've seen him just want to play war2 and he says he wants to reform his hacking ways and use antihack. He is a decent player and would be a nice addition to the community as long as he is true to his word. I told him I would be watching him. I told him if i see him without antihack and he gets acused of hacking, that's it, he's gone. He also says he will stop shit talking people. But i see things this way:
#1 war2 is dead we can not afford to permaban people
#2 players who want to reform their ways should be given a second chance.
#3 if that player comes back on a new ip and just sits there all day hoping for one game, you can't help but feel bad.
#4 If a player is constantly harassed and ridiculed by the community, he will develope a grudge and start shit talking everyone until no one likes him. This happend to me many years ago, and people still don't like me for my behavior, which was a product of my environment simply. It has never had anything to do with me as a person.
I also promised kale, that i would teach him if he stays true to his end of the deal, so war2 will get a decent player out of this exchange, and one less miserable hacker.
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what, you want his martin18 name unbanned?
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yeah. If you think about it, with the new antihack system catching him again will be extremely easy and it's not really a big deal. What is a big deal is having another legit player if he holds true.
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You make him and yourself sound like victims. You guys bring things on yourselves. Of course you can relate to him because you are him except not as self destructive. I'll vote for allowing this on the condition that if Martin gets caught hacking or spending hours whispering shit talk, that yamon gets the same ban as Martin. We will see how much you really believe he has reformed if your fate is tied to his
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Kale has come to me and Tora begging for us to lobby for him with the admins to unban him. He has not stopped hacking at all to my knowledge and the guy is a huge detriment to the server. He begged me for an hour to unban him one day even though Tora and I both told him we weren't admins. I have no sympathy for this guy.
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Honestly Yamon there are plenty of other ways to better the community then trying to bring back Martin18.
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I prefer reform over ban. Banning is useless.
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Definitely no to unbanning any of martin18's names or IPs that we've banned so far. I don't blame you for not realizing this, but his apologies and promises to clean up his act are just a troll.
Before we'd all caught on to what a lowlife he is, he got a couple different admins to unban him a couple of different times, including once by myself.
For example:blid il said to me imust ask u for unbann can i get unbann pls idont talk shit more :(
I think he got banned again the very next day.
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Further, I'd add that since we don't have a hardware ban yet and he is circumventing bans anyway, he could EASILY just make a new name, not shit talk, and not hack, and assimilate into the community quite easily if he actually wanted to.
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so you're telling me he wants to get unbanned so he can get banned again? i don't understand the logic. Besides just banning him again isn't a big deal. It's more productive than constantly banning new ips, because he's always on. So if you don't want to unban him, lets make an effort to keep him off. One the other. You decide.
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You make him and yourself sound like victims. You guys bring things on yourselves. Of course you can relate to him because you are him except not as self destructive. I'll vote for allowing this on the condition that if Martin gets caught hacking or spending hours whispering shit talk, that yamon gets the same ban as Martin. We will see how much you really believe he has reformed if your fate is tied to his
skeptisicm isn't knoweldge. No one blames you for doubting martin, given his record. But you just make the same point with every sentence. Your narrative is pre-established with this thread. My point is simply that we have nothing to lose but 5 minutes of an admins time. I don't know what the deal with martin is, i don't understand what goes on in his head. But I know that he's not a troll. He either has a motive or an ulterior motive, but that's irrelevant.
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Further, I'd add that since we don't have a hardware ban yet and he is circumventing bans anyway, he could EASILY just make a new name, not shit talk, and not hack, and assimilate into the community quite easily if he actually wanted to.
no because his proxies don't allow him to play anything but a 1v1. and getting games on a new name is next to Impossible today on ru. You can join a 4v4 gow pub, with a bunch of random people, and they'll ask you your aka for no reason.
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Moreover, if you can accept that martin is a few sandwiches short of a picnic and needs special treatment, then what's the harm in that? Are you not going to cater to the individual needs of a player as an admin on a game with 50 people?
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Further, I'd add that since we don't have a hardware ban yet and he is circumventing bans anyway, he could EASILY just make a new name, not shit talk, and not hack, and assimilate into the community quite easily if he actually wanted to.
Correct, having no aka is probably the best punishment you could even give hackers. [emoji14]
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I don't really think it would be a good idea to give a second chance to a person that hacks and all he does is harass his own team players when they don't play as well as expected which is why I think war2 is really dying.
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Moreover, if you can accept that martin is a few sandwiches short of a picnic and needs special treatment, then what's the harm in that? Are you not going to cater to the individual needs of a player as an admin on a game with 50 people?
I don't accept that. I think he's simply a troll. I don't want to cater to a hacker troll who likes to ask for second chances so he can laugh when he gets them.
I don't really think it would be a good idea to give a second chance to a person that hacks and all he does is harass his own team players when they don't play as well as expected which is why I think war2 is really dying.
Yeah, and it wouldn't be a second chance. He's asked for second chances before and promised to cut the act, and then been back at it the very next day.
Last time I unbanned him, tk said:
yayy... i get to ban him again in a couple days =/
next time we're both on he will be mother fuckin me, trollin me and spamming me, spamming chat, and refuse the next ss that someone requests from him.
he gets a kick out of being a rule breaker (even though we have so few rules) and shit disturber... gets banned then asks to be unbanned a couple days/weeks later... then repeats the whole process.
This is a known thing he does.
I'll go lock 00Kale and Evil~Kale accounts and ban his current IP later today.
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That guy repeatedly abused me (for which I didnot do anything) and convinced me (on facebook) to give him a 3rd or was it a 4th chance. I talked admins (blid/il) to give him another chance and that I would personally ensure he will be clean. He followed up by another hacking and shit talking spree.
He is a huge troll and a huge liar. I doubt he will ever reform.
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^^ See, we've all dealt with this, lol. He's had so many chances. Chances from tk, from me, from lb. The promises he's giving you are lies and trolls so he can laugh at you when he fools you
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and now yamon is giving this dude names to play on... like phaneron[a]... why does he want this scumbag to play so bad
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Well when you get a guy coming to you and saying I'm sorry for all the trouble I've caused, I've changed my ways, just give me a chance and I'll never hack or shit talk anymore, and I'll stop causing the problems I've been causing ... it's normal to want to give him that chance. I would give him that chance too, if I hadn't already found out he was full of shit.
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I admire your intentions here but I agree with Blid 100%. Kale is 100% trolling. I've gone through this exact scenario with him about 2-3 years ago. He said the same stuff and had the same unban request. I did it just to see what happened, he was back to the same crap within 2 weeks literally.
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Maybe claw framed him as well
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Where is claw?
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murderedd by chickens
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I talked to Claw this morning he is still "tending" his chickens and is in good spirits. :P
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I talked to Claw this morning he is still "tending" his chickens and is in good spirits. :P
Ask him if I can borrow one of his chickens for the kids table this Thanksgiving.
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Claw wouldn't harm one of his chickens, besides assfucking it ;). I'll tell him though. LMAO
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Did Claw frame martin18?
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I'm just going by a joke he made this morning, I think we all know what a troll Claw is. Anyway http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSQLuzLyMk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHSQLuzLyMk)
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I have no idea if Claw framed anyone he is capable of anything though maybe. Kale is a total hacker and cooperating with a troll won't work.
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Did Claw frame martin18?
Thought they were the same person [emoji46].
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We must find a way to bring the fugitive Claw to justice.
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We must find a way to bring the fugitive Claw to justice.
LMFAO!
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We must find a way to bring the fugitive Claw to justice.
He still banned on the forums?
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Yes, that's what makes him so hard to track down (and thus, a fugitive).
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Yes, that's what makes him a fugitive.
Hahaha I know more about this than most. I'll just let this post ride and laugh my ass off.
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Hahaha I know more about this than most. ....
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/SG50/give-that-man-a-cookie/image.jpg)
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he aint that hard to find. he sends me random retarded messages on fb from time to time.. posts retarded shit on the war2 server facebook page from time to time
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Cpt^Claw the invisible
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He's like a ghost.
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Cpt^Claw the invisible
He's like a ghost.
A ghost that "raises" chickens and speaks different languages, but yes a ghost ;).
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Cpt^Claw the invisible
He's like a ghost.
A ghost that "raises" chickens and speaks different languages, but yes a ghost ;).
Chickens are his sex slaves.
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How could a unbann even be a discussion?
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How could a unbann even be a discussion?
Anything is possible when money, sex, and chickens are on the table....
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as i pmed you blid over week ago, show me proof, without reply, post it here