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Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« on: December 25, 2014, 10:14:10 AM »
First of, i don't care much for stats, the ladder etc.
But can i get this guy banned? He discs when he loses and is an asshole on the server. We have rules for both of that.

I played him 1v1 on gow ef. He was being anoying entire time cause he thinks he is so great. Telling me how new i am, how i suck etc. Don't care if he does that, but discing is a bit low. Afterwards he say's: 'sorry didnt feel like you earned a victory'. 

Evil~Korn was watching the game btw

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #1 on: December 25, 2014, 11:35:49 AM »
Its yamon....
he admit on the uploaded ss that he disced on purpose. Ban him for a week.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2014, 12:23:12 PM »
I never read the rules for the server, but is discing actually against the rules?
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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #3 on: December 25, 2014, 12:27:43 PM »
Banned for 3 days. I dont have the records but I feel like he has been warned about this type of stuff in the past.

If it happens again we will move it up to a month.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #4 on: December 25, 2014, 12:29:58 PM »
I never read the rules for the server, but is discing actually against the rules?
I'm not sure if its listed in the rules but we (admins and community together) have agreed in the past that it is punishable if done intentionally.

i dont think its as serious as hacking but still pretty lousy

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2014, 01:33:43 PM »
He discs when he loses and is an asshole on the server. We have rules for both of that.

Not anymore. http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html
Being an asshole is accepted for now.

What do you guys think about to set an option: always count disc as loss?
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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2014, 04:22:15 PM »
Most starcraft pvpgns have it that way for all game types.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #7 on: December 26, 2014, 02:44:59 AM »
He discs when he loses and is an asshole on the server. We have rules for both of that.

Not anymore. http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html
Being an asshole is accepted for now.

What do you guys think about to set an option: always count disc as loss?

He discs when he loses and is an asshole on the server. We have rules for both of that.

Not anymore. http://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,163.0.html
Being an asshole is accepted for now.

What do you guys think about to set an option: always count disc as loss?

  Are you saying the server can rightfully know which player disced and which stayed ? If so, by all means, go ahead, disc as loss, other gets win.

But if youre saying both would get a loss if either disconnects, then whoever purposedly disced is not just being an asshole, but exploiting the game , which MUST be Punishable.
« Last Edit: December 26, 2014, 02:48:36 AM by SmurfKinG »

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2014, 03:50:44 AM »
Are you saying the server can rightfully know which player disced and which stayed ? If so, by all means, go ahead, disc as loss, other gets win.

Not sure it's so easy.
Here's the discussed game as i see: http://reportb.war2.ru/gr_20141225175421_000757
Grohl            WIN     
Phaneron[A]      DISCONNECT
Evil~Korn        WIN     
Of course, he should get loss to his stats instead of disc, and nothing to worry.

Other examples:
http://reportb.war2.ru/gr_20141218064123_018286
moregravy        DISCONNECT
~dread           LOSS   
DanielAG         WIN     
whatsupnigga~~   DISCONNECT
Sword!           LOSS   
How to handle that?
Or that: http://reportb.war2.ru/gr_20141214230559_016415
blUrrEdvIsIOn    LOSS   
vova1            WIN     
Sir_knowx        LOSS   
Whiteboy         DISCONNECT
$The-furious$    LOSS   
snopek           DISCONNECT
Sword!           LOSS   
Or that: http://reportb.war2.ru/gr_20141215003223_016486
MA`Zg3L8         WIN     
amazing~Not!     WIN     
8)QQ(8           DISCONNECT
Frank_Dux        LOSS   
Sword!           LOSS   
Bob-W            LOSS   
hoF~UZU_NARUTO   WIN     
NewOrcCity       LOSS   

People just drops for different reasons. Of course, that's sad for them, but who cares?
They will just get loss, that will make drop hack useless, we will keep people unbanned and save our community.

We can also handle that disc situation in external ladders http://ladder.war2.ru/  using our own logic, based on other's win/loss/disc/watch in this game to keep the most proper rating.

But if youre saying both would get a loss if either disconnects, then whoever purposedly disced is not just being an asshole, but exploiting the game , which MUST be Punishable.

The main problem is there's not not possible to approve the hack in each single situation. Well, current Yamon example is obvious, but internet connection can just disappear in any random moment, we can't punish for that.
There's not possible to check if he had some random connection trouble or intentionally ejected his network cable out.
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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #9 on: December 26, 2014, 08:19:50 AM »
I used to have a freezing issue on my windows 7 laptop which froze my screen and I couldn't ctrl alt delete out, alt tab or anything I'd have to reset my computer manually each time, they would count as disconnects which explains the 100 or so that i have on my account, but since I've gotten my windows 8 I haven't had that issue anymore. Just figured i'd bring that up as something thats an unintentional disc that isn't connection trouble.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2014, 10:16:11 AM »
they'll ban someone for no good reason but won't fix the main chat channel. Nice.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2014, 10:17:07 AM »
yeah i already removed the ban. the more i think about it the less sense it makes to ban someone for disconnecting for a few different reasons:

1) unless they admit they disconnected there is no way to know, and sometimes they might say they intentionally disconnected just to piss the other player off
2) i dont want to get in this "he said she said" b.s. where players accuse other players of disconnecting and then trying to guess who is right..

Now everyone knows Phaneron[A] disconnects if he doesn't feel like losing. If that's a big problem for you just don't play him.

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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #12 on: December 29, 2014, 09:04:31 AM »

What do you guys think about to set an option: always count disc as loss?

We should have that option.



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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2014, 09:13:13 AM »
agreed
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Re: Ban request --> Phaneron[A]
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2014, 09:58:49 AM »
agreed


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