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Warcraft II => Server.War2.ru => Topic started by: Swift on March 01, 2023, 06:47:31 PM
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Most of us are adults now, and this is just a video game that we play casually. We've got far more important things in our lives. Families, relationships, careers, hobbies, etc.
However, I think for most of us WarCraft 2 will always be more than just some "game", even for those of us who haven't played in many years, and for those of us who won't ever play again. For most of the players who log on to these forums, WarCraft 2 is/was a huge part of their life.
For myself, I can take a year or more off from time to time, and I am sure at some point I'll take several years off or never play again perhaps, however ever since I was 7 years old I have not gone a week without thinking about this game and all of the players in it.
I think there are countless players who have contributed to this community in immeasurable ways and elevated the evolution of the meta of wc2. I am going to list my Top 2 though, just to give a little appreciation.
#1 u8t3io3p
He's undeniably one of the best players and talents to ever play this game. I believe it's indisputable that his meta understanding of wc2 is top 3 all time. I believe that every single player who has either played against or with him has learned more about Warcraft 2 in the process. I know that I have personally learned quite a bit from him.
However, simply being a top tier player who has helped to change/evolve the way this game is played isn't what makes u8 the greatest contributor ever to Warcraft 2 (and it's overall average skill base.) Not even close.
What makes U8, in my opinion, the biggest contributor to WarCraft 2, is his streaming platform. He has relatively consistently been streaming for some years now, and in that time I've seen the overall average skill level of Warcraft 2 massively increase. Today, the "average players" understand so many details of wc2 that the "average players" of 15-20 years ago didn't. The Gap Between Top players and Average players was much wider in 2005, for example, than it is now. And, at least in my mind, this is largely due to players watching U8's streaming. Many noobs, and long timers watch his stream, and learn a lot from it. I also believe that everyone who doesn't watch his stream, still benefits from it, due to the collective average skill level that is rising due to those DO watch it and learn from it.
In summary, U8's Skill, But more importantly his twitch/youtube platform, makes him the largest contributor to WC2 Ever in my opinion.
#2 Mistral
Mistral's impact on WC2 is perhaps a bit more obvious, as he is literally programming improvements into the game itself. Any player can now watch any top player from "obs" mode, and observe their resource management, unit skill, upgrade hierarchy, etc. Another example: Average players can now even see the progress bar for units being built - They can see how consistent top players are when it comes to instantly building peon, after peon, etc. There's countless things the average wc2 player has insights into, all due to Mistral :D
With all of these new features, average players can get a greater insight into many of the fundamental and vital details that virtually all top players implement within their gameplay.
In 2023, you do NOT see many players upgrading second shield before second sword anymore, do you? It's a simple detail that is very important in this game, and some of us have known details like this for decades, but now everyone can know things like this thanks to Mistral ;)
This guy doesn't get even close to enough credit and appreciation that he deserves.
Thats it. That's my top two all-time contributors to WC2. In my ideal Warcraft 2 Utopia, everyone is very good at Warcraft 2 - that makes for a lot of GREAT games. So, I have a lot of respect and appreciation for anyone who contributes to the overall elevation of WC2 gameplay. A rising tide raises all boats!
There are 10-20 other players that come to mind pretty quickly, but I just wanted to name my top 2 and spread the love a bit.
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I'd like to add )LW(Sly to this list
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wow thanks :)
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
Warcraft 2 need change if community want grow up to have more people than 1 gow
1) manner( I understand you can write that someone suck no problem but going to attack ad person is not acceptale and should be banned doesnt matter if you are playing this game 1 year or 20 years)
2) maps, we need play more maps, many people are asking me at chat "hey maybe sea map?" but what I can answer? no cause finding someone who will play it(in decent lvl) is like 0%, if they see many maps maybe some of them will play? few people allready log from twitch/youtube
3) BALANCE, yes we need change it somehow that human should be able to have chance win in late game when orc got bloodlust, but it must be FOR ALL not making another "lobby mod" like did it ealier when you can pick (if you guys ever played for example Red Alert 2 alliance tanks suck hard but they patched it for have all races not only soviet)
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NTS
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Shout out to StarTale and 00Joe for putting out some great content, albeit incomplete and 5 years old. I learned a ton from those videos. I wish there were more.
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
Warcraft 2 need change if community want grow up to have more people than 1 gow
1) manner( I understand you can write that someone suck no problem but going to attack ad person is not acceptale and should be banned doesnt matter if you are playing this game 1 year or 20 years)
2) maps, we need play more maps, many people are asking me at chat "hey maybe sea map?" but what I can answer? no cause finding someone who will play it(in decent lvl) is like 0%, if they see many maps maybe some of them will play? few people allready log from twitch/youtube
3) BALANCE, yes we need change it somehow that human should be able to have chance win in late game when orc got bloodlust, but it must be FOR ALL not making another "lobby mod" like did it ealier when you can pick (if you guys ever played for example Red Alert 2 alliance tanks suck hard but they patched it for have all races not only soviet)
he's always privately told me has a great deal of respect for you.
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Shout out to StarTale and 00Joe for putting out some great content, albeit incomplete and 5 years old. I learned a ton from those videos. I wish there were more.
http://www.youtube.com/@u8t3io3p/videos (http://www.youtube.com/@u8t3io3p/videos)
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Wow so cool! anything else??? ??? 8)
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he's always privately told me has a great deal of respect for you.
(https://i.ibb.co/PQc9vzX/1111.jpg) (https://imgbb.com/)
is that enough tk?
another guy who get caught hacking calling me hacker, some guys will never grow up, and yes I dont belive anything what he wrote, he is fake person, cant trust him anything what he wrote
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sometimes when you have a crush on a girl, you tease and pick on her a little bit.
it's like that.
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Iam not buying it
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Wow so cool! anything else??? ??? 8)
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1742407016
https://m.twitch.tv/videos/1742410618
Here you have good games from last 1s tour. Semi finals and finals
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
I want nothing from it. Everything I said there is true. I also think you're an asshole. That's my early experiences with you, and Teaboy. Perhaps you are not in reality. Perhaps I am simply wrong, and you're actually a nice guy. I am open to that. I just didn't experience it when I first met you. Perhaps I was too sensitive. I also think HD is a massive advantage. Most my jokes about it, including "hacker/cheater" are in lighthearted spirit. I say these things about anyone who uses HD (not just to you), but its mostly just cuz I cant seem to DL it for myself - my PC blocks that version of WC2.
Me thinking you're an asshole, at least that you were to me, has nothing to do with me giving you respect where its due. I like your gameplay, and I think you're streaming is a net positive to the WC2 community, and I appreciate it. No matter how I feel about the way you treated me years back, these things are just true. I want you to keep playing wc2 forever, as long as u enjoy it, because it makes for a better wc2 experience for me everytime i log in or play, today, or months/years from now.
I don't care too much about what you think about me, or how you interpret me because it's just a game. I know I can be an asshole often, and in the past i've overreacted. The past is the past, it is what it is. You don't got to like to me at all, but all the respect I gave in this thread is true. And I want more people to stream, more people to get involved with Mistral in improving the game in the ways that he does, etc. It's all about the game and the community.
I love this game way too much not to respect it and the players who also love it. If someone likes warcraft 2 half as much as me, I automatically relate to them on some level.
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Shout out to StarTale and 00Joe for putting out some great content, albeit incomplete and 5 years old. I learned a ton from those videos. I wish there were more.
I recall multiple players bringing this up multiple times in the past. I was around when they were making those videos. I bet they are great! Care to share them?
I am open to teaming up with someone to do something similar and contribute to the overall elevation of wc2 gameplay~
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sometimes when you have a crush on a girl, you tease and pick on her a little bit.
it's like that.
I had no idea TK. I didn't know you had it in you haha
If you're ever in Colorado, and you want to wingman me IRL too, just hit me up. Much Love.
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imagine changing the chess board in 2023.
thats HD for war2.
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sometimes when you have a crush on a girl, you tease and pick on her a little bit.
it's like that.
I had no idea TK. I didn't know you had it in you haha
If you're ever in Colorado, and you want to wingman me IRL too, just hit me up. Much Love.
I'd get you lots of hoses.
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Shout out to StarTale and 00Joe for putting out some great content, albeit incomplete and 5 years old. I learned a ton from those videos. I wish there were more.
I recall multiple players bringing this up multiple times in the past. I was around when they were making those videos. I bet they are great! Care to share them?
I am open to teaming up with someone to do something similar and contribute to the overall elevation of wc2 gameplay~
I actually would be curious to see some tutorials about 9/11 and 4/5 neighbor wars with your commentary.
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where's ghostnuke on the list
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I just started playing again after a 5+ year break.
I come and go (take long breaks - but I've played since the Kali days).
I started watching u8t3io3p's youtube channel - not yet knowing he was a top player now.
His style of play -- and overall, his positive attitude has inspired me to play again. Good stuff.
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Also, TK, I didn't forget your teaching videos - which were awesome :)
Videos plus commentary.
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I also think HD is a massive advantage. Most my jokes about it, including "hacker/cheater" are in lighthearted spirit. I say these things about anyone who uses HD (not just to you), but its mostly just cuz I cant seem to DL it for myself - my PC blocks that version of WC2.
Can anyone create a video tutorial (for tech newbies like swift and others) on how to download and install the HD patch, including how to overcome possible glitches during installation?
We are living in the 21st century where 4k is becoming the norm, so why do players still resign to using SD when HD makes the game so much better!?
Using excuses like "I don't know how to install HD patch" is just a pathetic excuse for anyone living in this time and age imo...
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imagine changing the chess board in 2023.
thats HD for war2.
HD does not destroy the essence of the game. It enhances the gameplay and gives you a better gaming experience. But I understand some people want to be stuck in the past and refuse to embrace change.
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Also, TK, I didn't forget your teaching videos - which were awesome :)
Videos plus commentary.
thanks man. i wish i made more and kept up with it. maybe one day. it was always a pleasure playing with you. hope all is well man
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imagine changing the chess board in 2023.
thats HD for war2.
But I understand some people want to be stuck in the past and refuse to embrace change.
If you're playing Warcraft 2 aren't you already doing that
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imagine changing the chess board in 2023.
thats HD for war2.
But I understand some people want to be stuck in the past and refuse to embrace change.
If you're playing Warcraft 2 aren't you already doing that
I am. But others still make up excuses for not using the HD patch. Some even liken it to hacks. Beats me.
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Largest contributor in the last decade would be IL in truth.
He has maintained this server and done the majority of the troubleshooting which can take hours if something breaks.
Thanks @iL
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With few exceptions, war2 in its original form is a piece of art.
Many ideas/"fixes" in the last few years aim to paint over what was a near masterpiece shows how little you appreciate or understood the game to begin with.
You're just fucking the beauty of the game up and you don't even realize it.
Keep it up though. Kill the game. Keep changing shit.. you will be left with a game that barely resembles the original and nobody to play with.
Glhf
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With few exceptions, war2 in its original form is a piece of art.
Many ideas/"fixes" in the last few years aim to paint over what was a near masterpiece shows how little you appreciate or understood the game to begin with.
You're just fucking the beauty of the game up and you don't even realize it.
Keep it up though. Kill the game. Keep changing shit.. you will be left with a game that barely resembles the original and nobody to play with.
Glhf
Our friend TK always the cynic.
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Every game from Blizzard get updated with patches expect Warcraft 1 Warcraft 2 and iablo 1, most of old games got updates by community, but ofc Warcraft 2 cant have updates cause tk dont want
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U8 can defend 4 and gay the back of 5 at the same time without moving his screen b/c it's so wide! :)
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Lol
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A lot of us have contributed a lot. even if it's just by being a part of the community. Even van plays a role Even if it's a shifty role. Everyone on the forum, ladder, or server.
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
Warcraft 2 need change if community want grow up to have more people than 1 gow
1) manner( I understand you can write that someone suck no problem but going to attack ad person is not acceptale and should be banned doesnt matter if you are playing this game 1 year or 20 years)
2) maps, we need play more maps, many people are asking me at chat "hey maybe sea map?" but what I can answer? no cause finding someone who will play it(in decent lvl) is like 0%, if they see many maps maybe some of them will play? few people allready log from twitch/youtube
3) BALANCE, yes we need change it somehow that human should be able to have chance win in late game when orc got bloodlust, but it must be FOR ALL not making another "lobby mod" like did it ealier when you can pick (if you guys ever played for example Red Alert 2 alliance tanks suck hard but they patched it for have all races not only soviet)
Lol, is this a joke?
1) I've always been trying to be friendly with both old and new players. But you been very bad mannered towards me, and talking crap about me, al though I never did anything towards you (or teaboy). I have no hard feelings towards anyone in this game, but it is really sad when other talking crap towards you and behind your back...
2) Maps I put down hours of hours to make new balanced map for competitive play, because I know other RTS games have much better maps. This is a big issue in war2. But there is no chance that my maps gets played, because you refuse to even try them once. Then you tell everyone else to not play them and talks crap about them, while never ever tried them. Also I just want people to play them so I can get feed back and eventually make the best maps. I'm a skilled editor and willing to put time into this, but it's been impossible because of this closed attitude.
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ngk~laalaa. End of story.
Helped catch so many hackers with insight and elevate the gameplay of randoms (average) which Jesk, swagier etc (no offense guys, you would blow me out of the water anytime now) were a part of.
It let to more people getting access to gameplay of other players and learning and elevating their gameplay.
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
Warcraft 2 need change if community want grow up to have more people than 1 gow
1) manner( I understand you can write that someone suck no problem but going to attack ad person is not acceptale and should be banned doesnt matter if you are playing this game 1 year or 20 years)
2) maps, we need play more maps, many people are asking me at chat "hey maybe sea map?" but what I can answer? no cause finding someone who will play it(in decent lvl) is like 0%, if they see many maps maybe some of them will play? few people allready log from twitch/youtube
3) BALANCE, yes we need change it somehow that human should be able to have chance win in late game when orc got bloodlust, but it must be FOR ALL not making another "lobby mod" like did it ealier when you can pick (if you guys ever played for example Red Alert 2 alliance tanks suck hard but they patched it for have all races not only soviet)
Lol, is this a joke?
1) I've always been trying to be friendly with both old and new players. But you been very bad mannered towards me, and talking crap about me, al though I never did anything towards you (or teaboy). I have no hard feelings towards anyone in this game, but it is really sad when other talking crap towards you and behind your back...
2) Maps I put down hours of hours to make new balanced map for competitive play, because I know other RTS games have much better maps. This is a big issue in war2. But there is no chance that my maps gets played, because you refuse to even try them once. Then you tell everyone else to not play them and talks crap about them, while never ever tried them. Also I just want people to play them so I can get feed back and eventually make the best maps. I'm a skilled editor and willing to put time into this, but it's been impossible because of this closed attitude.
Did you make new maps or you just copy paste maps from warcraft 3? You are mad cause I dont want play it?
And yes your maps for chop suck
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I got no idea what you want with that, but you had no problem to call me hacker cause Im using HD patch or offend me hard cause I refused to play with you after 3 hours game
Warcraft 2 need change if community want grow up to have more people than 1 gow
1) manner( I understand you can write that someone suck no problem but going to attack ad person is not acceptale and should be banned doesnt matter if you are playing this game 1 year or 20 years)
2) maps, we need play more maps, many people are asking me at chat "hey maybe sea map?" but what I can answer? no cause finding someone who will play it(in decent lvl) is like 0%, if they see many maps maybe some of them will play? few people allready log from twitch/youtube
3) BALANCE, yes we need change it somehow that human should be able to have chance win in late game when orc got bloodlust, but it must be FOR ALL not making another "lobby mod" like did it ealier when you can pick (if you guys ever played for example Red Alert 2 alliance tanks suck hard but they patched it for have all races not only soviet)
Lol, is this a joke?
1) I've always been trying to be friendly with both old and new players. But you been very bad mannered towards me, and talking crap about me, al though I never did anything towards you (or teaboy). I have no hard feelings towards anyone in this game, but it is really sad when other talking crap towards you and behind your back...
2) Maps I put down hours of hours to make new balanced map for competitive play, because I know other RTS games have much better maps. This is a big issue in war2. But there is no chance that my maps gets played, because you refuse to even try them once. Then you tell everyone else to not play them and talks crap about them, while never ever tried them. Also I just want people to play them so I can get feed back and eventually make the best maps. I'm a skilled editor and willing to put time into this, but it's been impossible because of this closed attitude.
Did you make new maps or you just copy paste maps from warcraft 3? You are mad cause I dont want play it?
And yes your maps for chop suck
I made a collection of balanced (hopefully) maps for competitive play, inspired by other successful RTS maps. I've would love to know if they work for War2, and if they don't it would be very interesting to see why. And I'm willing to continue to work to get a set of competitive, creative, fun and balanced maps. Even if these collection I already made is not working out...
And no I'm not mad, but I'm sad that you won't support my effort to make better maps for war2, since both you and I understand this is a big issue. And also it makes me sad that you acting BM towards me and my efforts. I asked you nicely many times to give feed back on the maps, because I value your opinion and I know it will be hard to get this going if you fighting against me.
My chop map is another topic, but that is also sad. You guys talks bad about it, but refuse to give feed back what you think is wrong. I put a lot of time into it to make it balanced in time to get gold. All spots gets gold at same time with perfect chop. But I know there could be other things that makes the map unbalanced, but I would like to know what. I know for sure it is much better than many other maps that is played today, where there is no power mine in certain positions. I made an effort and tried to create a standard chop map, because there is so many that is wrong.
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every your map was from warcraft 3 and all your maps was 1v1 or 2v2, this is not warcraft 3
I REFUSED YOUR W3 MAPS
maybe now it will be clear for you?
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You have a YouTube channel called warcraft 2, and you play other games on it.
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and?
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and obv Dugs[anz]
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Aghast... I am social. I am one. I am in GOD and the Lord Christ Jesus. *cries. Has anyone appeared before me? Yet I join a game... and I say... I am one to want to play! And they looked at my name, behold -- the clouds are witness, and the formidable ground a hazard, that the very triumph of their assault on my name was ungodliness. It was, "Get out!" "Noob" "Out" "gtfo" with great hate and complications, just because I chose to use my email address as my name! Just BECAUSE I CHOSE TO USE MY EMAIL ADDRESS AS MY NAME!!!!!!! So I bend the facts? No. All are a contradiction. Terrible contributions. All an assault. Ungodliness. Terror, and horrible mischief. A huge catastrophe for the game. All hackers, losers, and in doubt, terrible hallucinations of what a warcraft player should be in any state of rightful manifestation.
I assault the borders and foundations of war2 -- that they are amiss. They are contrary. There is no substance therewith with which someone can summon not boredom, in associations with what they have done. It is a "Noob?" What is a "Noob?" And they triumph. They lay disgrace. A "Noob" ventures onward. They say.... A "Noob" ventures onward, and doesn't learn to play, ever. Trek. Trek. Trek. Trek. A contributor to war2? No. Far from it. A contributor to the holistic satisfaction of disgrace and uttermost horror of what people do not despise when they look onward for an impact upon persecution and hate, rather than some sort of welcoming clause of hope that the game is going somewhere.
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Shout out to StarTale and 00Joe for putting out some great content, albeit incomplete and 5 years old. I learned a ton from those videos. I wish there were more.
I recall multiple players bringing this up multiple times in the past. I was around when they were making those videos. I bet they are great! Care to share them?
I am open to teaming up with someone to do something similar and contribute to the overall elevation of wc2 gameplay~
you should stream with me
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Awake! Shout out! The prince of the game, of who would reckon? For he will have an assembly with you. He will hold assimilation, and tell the heap of your trouble to consolation. What is the disgrace of the player that creates conduct out of hate? What is the hate that creates conduct out of disgrace? Let all be honorable mention, to those who relinquish not the borders of conceit, to secretly charge themselves a withdrawal into this substance. I can oust the corner of display, that people go awry, and in time, they fall. Let it not be so. Let all know, that in Christ Jesus is strength. That the rapidness of a river is confounded -- but when it strokes itself into a quiet monotony, and dwindles in its curved proceedings, does it allow itself to be heard. Therefore let it not be so that it is NEVER heard, for if life be life, then Christ Jesus is nothing, but life not, and death not -- but death is sincere to life, and life is indeed sincere to Christ. The allowance of bondage to satan in your life is not construed to hurt you, the allowance of that on your life reaps corruption, innate insecurity, and hopelessness. One must know that GOD IS JEALOUS, and to have the glory of GOD in your life is one to pass bread, having taken part therefrom, knowing that GOD granted you the right to have it, being so as who you are, witness to his glory, to share that glory -- and love your neighbor as yourself, for it is witness a mountain in stead of a man, to confront GOD with his knowledge that it is intact, who made all things in the earth, and above, in the midst, and below the earth, and all that therein is, to that end that it is not robbery to think that GOD didn't bless those who know of it, rather than those who are as a beast before HIM, who go along, and know him not. Amen.