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Server.War2.ru / Re: FINALLYY EVERY 1 NEEDS THIS

« on: July 15, 2019, 09:54:46 PM »

Going to try and shorten this as it seems there are only a few things we disagree on now.

I disagree with you and I figured my lazy example would be enough for you to understand the point I was trying to get across, so I will reattempt. Right now, seeing a health bar mandates 1 (per unit) or multiple clicks. A click is an action (like P or peons), an action alters game play by freeing up time/physical clicks and thoughts for other actions.

So, hypothetically, because I'm not doing these things anymore (with the hypothetical health bar mod) I keep my choke more (1 of many examples, feel free to ask for more). If I do it the way we do it now, maybe my choke breaks because a grunt was weak and I missed it. Now, he gets in my base, and now I have to do a whole mess of other things to defend, which snowball the rest of the game. That is a HUGE effect on game play that you are failing to realize.

This is not simply just a visual. You are widely underestimating the feature. They are related, yes at different extremes, but they are indeed related and the fact that you don't realize what 1 click can do in this game is a bit concerning. Seconds/split seconds are very important. Like you said, it doesn't matter (Health Bars mod not there) but there is your better example to prove my point and to demonstrate your ignorance on this matter.

This also explains my other "silly example"s that you referred to and how they are, while more extreme, absolutely relevant. I am against (most) game play changing mods. That is not some big umbrella you are making it out to be, it's simple, game play, things that directly effect the game while you play...... Example: Not pre game mods, or watcher mods, or chat room, end game stats, map view, etc mods.

Let me explain the chop situation to you since you don't understand the value of the chop even though you like to condescendingly try to explain it to me.

Evidence: "IMO The only time the chop bars plugin can actually be a real advantage is when you want to pull a peon off lumber to build something, then you can choose the one that has been chopping the least amount of time."

If I choose to chop out of my base. Especially early game, I absolutely count the chops in my head. This way I know when to go back and close before I get raped by grunts sitting outside my base waiting to see a chop. Seconds matter. Do I count the 51 to the exact chop? Hell no, but I look around 45ish, knowing it will be any second and that I will naturally be off count. You don't have to be super smart to count to 45.

Chopping into someones base while doing other things is another time I count. When I'm doing something or upgrading something that can be foiled by my opponents chop, I count to see if I need to cancel the building to block after he chops. Aka gays.

The fact that you don't know this also shows you that, yes, you know less game play than more experienced players. People that often beat me, are more experienced and outsmart me, naturally. I am not some pro you painted me out to be. I am just above average on GOW. Swift/U8/Shotgun/00s/so many other people could tell you and me things about the game that we have no idea about, believe me.

"I honestly think that this very narrow focus and the arrogant "pro" attitude that goes with it has been, and continues to be, the single most detrimental thing to the health of the community as a whole. No, those people do not know the game better, that cliquey little scene is not "The Game". They do not own it any more than chop players, paintball players, the water map guys, free players or anyone else."

I hear you, I was never a GOW player until RU, I wasn't even a EF player. Until 3-4ish years ago? I hated GOW. But in this instance, your argument has no base. You're saying GOWers don't get to dictate the game, yet I'm saying, you can't ignore GOWers as they are 1/2 of your population at this point in time. It's not 2001 anymore. If you do something that effects GOWers only and not the rest of the game, you cannot in good conscience implement it without pissing off 1/2 of the community. You will have to deal with your hatred for now.

Quote from: Harrywangs on July 14, 2019, 04:03:40 PM

    I'm simply trying to maintain the integrity of the game with my opinion. When you say "a line showing up chopping progress" and diminish it, it really does demonstrate to me that you do not actually understand/underestimate the impact it will have.
No I really do understand it, much better than you do, because you have never even tried it. Your condescension in that statement only highlights your ignorance in suggesting that just because I have not spent the last 20 years honing my reflexes and strategies around a single style of gameplay that somehow I do not understand game mechanics every bit as well as you do.

Yeah, I already told you I did. War3 example in my answer. You do not understand the game play as well as top GOWers. You need to realize that. I do not understand chop/paintball, I don't talk to it like I do. Humble yourself.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: FINALLYY EVERY 1 NEEDS THIS

« on: July 14, 2019, 04:03:40 PM »

I'm on the anti mod side in terms of changing game play.]

Chop- You're taking away a feature of the game because it is too difficult for some people?

No. Adding a missing feature.

I should be more clear. I meant in terms of changing game play. I only have issues with the 2 subjects that were bolded. The chop and health bars.


"adding a missing feature" is a subjective input that you are speaking to as if it were objective. I'm sure Blizzard would disagree. Just because you feel it is right, doesn't mean it is.

..most people aren't good at it, so let's make it easier, type situation. This is why millennials have such a lazy ass reputation.

"Providing more information means there's another thing to consider, I don't think that makes anything easier, just allows you to make better decisions."

Again, give me auto peons, auto lust, etc etc etc. You are not saying anything to defend the fact that you are automating a feature that requires skill in the first place. Making things easier doesn't necessarily make it more fun, especially at a competitive level.

Hey, guys, while we are at it, (blah blah blah - rather silly rant). Oh, that would just destroy the game.

"Sounds like you just answered your own question."

Right and I just related those things to what we are doing to the game. Where is the disconnect at? You didn't respond to anything.

This is why millennials have such a lazy ass reputation.

"Well I don't know about you, but I turn 49 next month."

You win that one.

Health Bars- Same thing...

"There are already health bars for all selected units, your own or other players. Personally I think it would be a vast improvement to have them under the unit like any normal game does, and it would definitely make the game more accessable to new users, who I care about much more than crusty old nay-sayers.

Anyway, at this stage that doesn't exist yet. If you actually want to have any input apart from "don't do anything at all" perhaps you could be more specific about exactly what you are against. Having the info on the game screen instead of the panel on the left? or was there some other thing you were thinking about?"

Okay, and there are ways to make peons already, so why not automate it? Pointing out the game has a feature already that has to be manually done is not a valid argument here against anything I've said. Again, it is a skill set you are taking away by automating.

I do appreciate people trying to do good for the game and improve things. ....It is not that I am not grateful for all that many people have contributed.,...

"Yeah. I can feel the love.  "

My apologies, I know I was being overly sarcastic to prove my point but again, I am just so baffled by us changing the actual game itself. I honestly do appreciate it and do appreciate the things you (and others) have done for this game.

I just think we might be getting to a point where its like, what can do we do now!?!!?!

"Damn right. So what can you do apart from play the same old stuff, in the same old way, with the same old people and scare away any new players?"

I don't program at all and cannot do anything technical to help out. What I do is, be very active consistently for years. I don't ban noobs (unless they are unwilling to listen and even if i do i explain why) and offer new people information on hosting/host for them or offer them to play a 1v1 game. I also give crap to anyone who does ban noobs and let them know that this further kills the game. That is my contribution.

And we just do something to do something as opposed to really thinking about it.

"Yeah. No thought at all was put into anything, ever.

HERE'S A QUESTION: HAVE YOU TRIED IT?

Or are you just writing a huge rant against it without even trying it?
That might be the first step in putting some thought into a response yeah?"

Kind of an odd question. Don't knock it till you try it right? I haven't done Heroin, maybe I should....right? Yet, you agree that things like auto lusting ogres would ruin the game, but, have YOU TRIED THAT?!?!? lol.....Hmm... I did indeed tried it in War3TFT as that was a feature that was optional to add. Yes, it changed the game and micro.

Things like this and the double click hack, lessen my motivation for playing this game.

"Automatic gaming mouses are a sad fact of reality. I don't use them at all. Have never even owned one in my life. They give a real mechanical advantage to game play, that is totally different to providing information to allow people to make intelligent iniformed decisions.

I remember aftermarket SEGA game controllers that automatically hit the start/pause button very fast on and off to make games work in slow-motion, and that was in the 80's ffs. If you're still crying about that sort of thing you seriously need to build a bridge."

I may indeed need to be coached on this one. So, what you're saying is that the mouse itself allows it to happen with it's own hardware and cannot be stopped pretty much? Aka, nothing that can be done about it? If so, I give you this one then.

Let's also think, what new person, who isn't big into computers, wants to constantly download mods and patches and this and that for different aspects of the game. 1 DL is all it should be, period. If I got a new game and had to do all of this, I'd be out before it launched.

"Do all of what exactly?

Oh sorry. Are the people maintaining you free server and producing your free game not working fast enough for you in their spare time after they get home from work?

Development doesn't happen instantly, but yes we are working to make that simpler."

I apologize if that makes me sound ungrateful and, as I will reiterate, I do very much appreciate all the work everyone does on the technical side of things. It was just input as to barriers of getting new people into the game. Take the personal emotion out of your answer and I ask, do you agree with me though? Sorry if my initial comment was insensitive to everyone's hard work.

Also, just curious, how many top of players, or even players that would be considered good, at GOW, support this? I've seen 0 so far. I wonder if there is a reason for that....

"Oooo the "top" players....  Wait just let me sit back and be impressed for a minute...... Wow.

Really mate. The "top" players can still sit around playing each other on gow ef and banning newbs on the original version as much as they like. It's ok, none of this needs to interrupt the eternal circle-jerk, if that's what you're into."

Your responses should be logical vs emotional as this is more of a business type scenario. Are many of them assholes, sure, they even know it. But they know the game better than me or you do from a game play standpoint and their experience and skills are a value to the game. Nobody wants to watch a noob game but everyone from new-great want to watch a real good game.

I guess you would have to think of it like this though. Do you want to continuously play a game that is ruined by lessor skilled players where you are constantly doubled or tripled with nobody giving any assistance? It gets old pretty quickly. (partly why ppl smurf) I do think everything should have some sort of give and take (donate a few games to playing with everyone) but at the same time, with people's limited time and game play, they want to play good games that are fun. Not hold a newcomer's hand and diminish their own fun. Some people are here to play and have fun ONLY, not to forward the community and they are okay with the day it comes to an end. That is something that needs to be accepted too. It's just a game to some people.

This is Warcraft, not Nerf people, sack up.

"You're bleeding all over your keyboard crying about a line showing chopping progress, then you say "sack up"..... Seriously, get a grip. If that breaks your game then you're not "good" at all.  "

I'm simply trying to maintain the integrity of the game with my opinion. When you say "a line showing up chopping progress" and diminish it, it really does demonstrate to me that you do not actually understand/underestimate the impact it will have.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: FINALLYY EVERY 1 NEEDS THIS

« on: July 12, 2019, 11:48:33 AM »

I'm on the anti mod side in terms of changing game play.

Chop- You're taking away a feature of the game because it is too difficult for some people? There are so many instances, in GOW, where the chop is very important for yourself and the enemy. Why are we trying to make the game "easier" for people? If it was as easy as tic tac toe, nobody would play it. It's difficult, enjoyable, and makes people strive to be better and to pay attention to the small details that become important which make the great players the great players they are. This isn't a, well, most people aren't good at it, so let's make it easier, type situation. This is why millennials have such a lazy ass reputation.

Hey, guys, while we are at it, it is very difficult to make peons early game consistently while microing and gaying, can we please make a mod for auto peons? I would also like auto peon management, the correct peons on wood and gold at all times please. Wouldn't mind auto attack after X grunts at a rax. I mean, we already have the double click hack we somehow allow (still baffled), why not made a mod so I can lust all 9 in one second? Also, a dk radar so I know when a dk is approaching my base so I can pull peons. Auto pull too, why not. That would be much easier. Oh, that would just destroy the game.

Health Bars- Same thing, u8 already spoke pretty well to it with his example. It's a microing skill to be able to know who has what HP. Again, these are the small details that make the better players the better players. Something that you learn as you go and eventually take advantage of because you are good, and have got to a level where you can do these things that give you an advantage. Everyone can do it, but it's a matter of getting to that level.

Honesty, I'm completely taken back by this. I do appreciate people trying to do good for the game and improve things. I just think we might be getting to a point where its like, what can do we do now!?!!?! And we just do something to do something as opposed to really thinking about it. It is not that I am not grateful for all that many people have contributed but I do have a strong opinion on this and similar other situations. Things like this and the double click hack, lessen my motivation for playing this game.

Let's also think, what new person, who isn't big into computers, wants to constantly download mods and patches and this and that for different aspects of the game. 1 DL is all it should be, period. If I got a new game and had to do all of this, I'd be out before it launched.

Also, just curious, how many top of players, or even players that would be considered good, at GOW, support this? I've seen 0 so far. I wonder if there is a reason for that.... This is Warcraft, not Nerf people, sack up.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: why are we allowing USA to be advertised here

« on: June 27, 2019, 12:32:05 AM »

Hey, I'll admit, I COULD be 100% wrong, sure. Just coincidental I guess?

I agree with you. Forums should be active but should be productive and have a purpose. The history of these forums have been flame wars that lead to nothing. (different topic, not need to start it up) At least you two are communicating, even though you disagree. I can appreciate that.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: why are we allowing USA to be advertised here

« on: June 26, 2019, 11:28:22 PM »

Hey and the server is down!!! Coincidence?!?!?!?!?!?!? Timely I must say. It's been a while but at the same time, until now, the forums have been quiet. Naw, just a coincidence.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Not at one year anniversary yet!

« on: June 26, 2019, 11:12:43 PM »

Couldn't agree more IL and have no idea why we stand for it. Laziness? Ignorance?

Anyone else see anything wrong with this SS? Wtf are we doing people!??!?!?!?!?

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Server Down 5/26/19

« on: May 27, 2019, 12:05:11 AM »

Ah, okay, thanks for all the help today!

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Server Down 5/26/19

« on: May 26, 2019, 06:01:02 PM »

Next question. 2nd time this has happened now. I log on, I log off, and then I go to log back on and all the servers are gone and it's like I just installed War2BNE with East/West/Asia/Euro as my ONLY server choices.

Already reinstalled and it happened again.

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Server.War2.ru / Server Down 5/26/19

« on: May 26, 2019, 03:48:34 PM »

Hey Admins/IL are we aware the server has been down all day? I would assume you would be aware but seeing as nobody plays this game anymore, maybe not. Backup is down too. Mouse's works, like usual.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: nevermind

« on: April 18, 2019, 08:13:42 PM »

Oh well, whatever, never mind

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Server.War2.ru / Re: I'd like to take a minute to thank Blid

« on: March 26, 2019, 09:25:38 PM »

Seriously, for the last 3 weeks now, war2 has been dead as fuck. TK's SS of the channel is not something that he couldn't have about 30 of in the last 3 weeks.

I haven't seen more than 30 people on more than a couple of times. Even on the weekends it still seems like a ghost town. I know the weather is getting nicer people, but it seems everyone has taken their "break" all at once and those who haven't, are now being forced to leave and take breaks, creating even less population.

Unfortunate circumstance taking place and I hope it doesn't lead to long term negative effects as a whole. I know historically the server has it's ups and downs but this seems like a pretty bad down.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Exercise Caution with Personal Info in this Community

« on: February 21, 2019, 08:55:07 PM »

Can we please stop entertaining Babyshark's idiotic rants about things that she just won't let go. We've all heard it a million times at this point. She brings it up in every forum topic regardless of if it even fits. At this point, it's just background noise.

I'm pretty sure there was a forum topic with Koorb about his personal issues that sounded pretty serious and then Babyshark starts talking about her own BS WC related problems. That disgusts me. How selfish can you be?

This forum is finally at a point where the same 3-4 people aren't just going at each other left and right, absolutely ruining every forum topic and now we have this.

LET IT GO AND WAR2 COMMUNITY, STOP ENTERTAINING HER. You are all just enabling her to continue.

Yes, I understand the irony of me writing this message and no baby, I will not be responding to you if you respond to this. This message is for everyone else on war2.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: who the fuck is SaVaGe[iS]

« on: December 16, 2018, 12:05:53 PM »

Nope. All wrong. And no, not me.

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Server.War2.ru / Re: Warcraft 2 speedrun $$ bounties

« on: October 14, 2018, 12:13:52 AM »

U8, why don't you post in the comments about RU on the speed site? So people know. You won enough that you can make a selfless plug. For the greater good!

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Server.War2.ru / Backup Servers

« on: October 05, 2018, 07:15:23 PM »

I figure this is a good time to bring it up. Here is my question. Let's say the normal server has 67 people on. Server goes down, you go to backup server, and it only has 7 people on. Now, sure, maybe people in the past have just decided to wait but obviously this is going to take a while because this is Drama.RU. Even though you people all have (or most) jobs, should be in your 30s (mostly) and much more mature. But that is another story.

Mouse's server right now, has a whole 23 users online currently. My question is, why is that? Do people just stop playing the game because they don't want to click a couple more times before they log in? Are they anti backup servers?

I'm going to go with, a lot of people don't know about the backup servers, but that is just my assumption. How well do we advertise or show people what to do when the server is down?

Is it ever posted on the home page or forum when the main server goes down? Are there bots on the other backup servers telling people where to go? Something just doesn't make sense here and I'm curious what you guys think.

Side note: Mouse, maybe you can answer this. Why does your server not get spammed?