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Title: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 26, 2022, 06:29:49 PM
Do you think Russia will invade Ukraine?

How do Russian civilians feel towards Ukraine?

Do most Russians you know support a Ukraine invasion? ... Or does it seem to be something only the political/military leaders want to do?


... Biden is not in control of our country. There are people "behind the scenes" who are determining our policies, and they are using Biden as the face/messenger/scapegoat. That is kind of scary because Liberal elite/media/politicians desperately want a war with Russia. I'm nott sure why.. but the left have been hell bent on spreading anti-russian propaganda for at least 4-5 years.. Maybe more. https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/)

So it's scary because the person who will be held accountable (Biden)... Is also a person who is clearly declining in both physical, and more obviously mental health.

Basically Biden is perfect for the job. He's not Trump (because based on the 4 years Trump was President.. He would do everything in his power to avoid military conflict) Biden is a career politician that understood a long time ago he belongs to specific corporations and will serve their interests.. and when it's all over with, Biden's dementia will be so severe that everyone will feel sorry for him and not hold him accountable.

By the time the American people realize a war with Russia was such a horrible senseless act that could have been avoided, the "behind the scenes" elites who actually made the decision to invade Russia will never have to face consequences because they're behind the scenes... And the person (Biden) that the public believes made the decision to invade Russia will be in such a horrible state of mental decline that it will be impossible to charge him.


It's perfect.

The only way to avoid the conflict all together is if Putin backs off Ukraine... But the more I think about it, the more I think Putin might just be "testing the waters" to see how the U.S. responds to potential threats from Russia... Do they respond from a position of strength, or potential weakness.

There was an article posted a few years ago stating the U.S. could lose a war to China OR Russia https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns) ... But that report could have easily been created/fabricated/manufactured to convince Trump and the Public that more military spending was a good thing... or even an attempt to convince/trick China/Russia into attacking from a weak position, believing it were stronger.

No matter what.. A war where the U.S., China, and Russia is inevitable eventually. China will pass U.S. as a global super power if there is no intervention. The most common form of intervention throughout human history is war. Empires do not give up their superiority without a fight. And China/Russia are better friends than U.S./China or U.S./Russia.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 26, 2022, 06:34:26 PM
The only question is when will it happen. How wound up does the rubber band have to get before it finally snaps.

The answer is when China and Russia believe they have the power and support to overthrow the U.S.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 26, 2022, 06:35:55 PM
UNLESS you get a Trump like politician in there who is only concerned with money... and anything that gets in the way of making it, including war, are completely pointless and counterproductive
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 26, 2022, 08:03:44 PM
TK I love you man.
But your really getting deep in the deep end with posts like this. 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 26, 2022, 09:03:37 PM
I post it there knowing you're going to move it for some reason I don't understand.. but hoping it takes you more than 30 minutes to realize I posted it so other people have a chance to see it before you move it
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 27, 2022, 03:57:28 AM
I post it there knowing you're going to move it for some reason I don't understand.. but hoping it takes you more than 30 minutes to realize I posted it so other people have a chance to see it before you move it

That section is about war2. What your posting has nothing to do with war2.
Majority of members aren’t interested in reading your thesis paper on Russian / Ukrainian war games. 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 27, 2022, 06:49:50 AM
Or two people that frequent these forums, probably half of them take the time to look outside of the server.war2.ru section.

It's not like we have a couple hundred members where organization is necessary.

Literally every single person could post in the server subform and it would not get cluttered
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 27, 2022, 06:51:44 AM
Not only would it not get cluttered, there would be more interactions for every topic of discussion

I would argue that interactions / engagements are more beneficial to the community given its current position than organization
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 27, 2022, 06:54:21 AM
Now that hey topic that I wanted as many interactions as possible on has been moved to an area where it is less likely to get those interactions, I will be less likely to post certain thoughts in the future

So it's kind of a double whammy. Topics are getting moved into subforms that do not get viewed as much, so there are less interactions. And because there are less interactions, people who are seeking interactions are going to be less likely to post things altogether


It's effectively discouraging communication on a platform design for communication
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 27, 2022, 06:58:01 AM
Highly counterproductive in our unique situation where we have such a small amount of users assuming activity among the users is desired
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on January 27, 2022, 07:03:19 AM
There's only three explanations as to why it's actually happening as far as I can tell

1) OCD
2) inability to realize the negative consequences
3) desire to publicly display some sort of power on this platform
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on January 27, 2022, 11:10:41 AM
No option 4- general housekeeping? Bet your home is a squalor, you gigantic n00b
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on January 28, 2022, 11:05:08 AM
Do you think Russia will invade Ukraine?

How do Russian civilians feel towards Ukraine?

Do most Russians you know support a Ukraine invasion? ... Or does it seem to be something only the political/military leaders want to do?


... Biden is not in control of our country. There are people "behind the scenes" who are determining our policies, and they are using Biden as the face/messenger/scapegoat. That is kind of scary because Liberal elite/media/politicians desperately want a war with Russia. I'm nott sure why.. but the left have been hell bent on spreading anti-russian propaganda for at least 4-5 years.. Maybe more. https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/)

So it's scary because the person who will be held accountable (Biden)... Is also a person who is clearly declining in both physical, and more obviously mental health.

Basically Biden is perfect for the job. He's not Trump (because based on the 4 years Trump was President.. He would do everything in his power to avoid military conflict) Biden is a career politician that understood a long time ago he belongs to specific corporations and will serve their interests.. and when it's all over with, Biden's dementia will be so severe that everyone will feel sorry for him and not hold him accountable.

By the time the American people realize a war with Russia was such a horrible senseless act that could have been avoided, the "behind the scenes" elites who actually made the decision to invade Russia will never have to face consequences because they're behind the scenes... And the person (Biden) that the public believes made the decision to invade Russia will be in such a horrible state of mental decline that it will be impossible to charge him.


It's perfect.

The only way to avoid the conflict all together is if Putin backs off Ukraine... But the more I think about it, the more I think Putin might just be "testing the waters" to see how the U.S. responds to potential threats from Russia... Do they respond from a position of strength, or potential weakness.

There was an article posted a few years ago stating the U.S. could lose a war to China OR Russia https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns) ... But that report could have easily been created/fabricated/manufactured to convince Trump and the Public that more military spending was a good thing... or even an attempt to convince/trick China/Russia into attacking from a weak position, believing it were stronger.

No matter what.. A war where the U.S., China, and Russia is inevitable eventually. China will pass U.S. as a global super power if there is no intervention. The most common form of intervention throughout human history is war. Empires do not give up their superiority without a fight. And China/Russia are better friends than U.S./China or U.S./Russia.
first, i dont think there will be a war.  neither with US vs china & russia, nor russia invading ukraine... but it's inarguable that tensions have been rising.  the real left (communists) have no interest in this happening.  imo it's actually the west (and especially the US) pushing this ukraine hysteria. 

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imo it's also not even true that russia wants to invade ukraine... but the US is talking about adding ukraine and georgia to NATO, an anti-russian military alliance assembled to encircle russia.  and this would be tightening the circle around them.  very inflammatory and provocative.  the US already helped coup a more russian-friendly ukrainian government to put it into the hands of west-friendly types.

ps: lol at the meltdown over threads being in appropriate forums
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: CumSavorer4385 on January 28, 2022, 03:35:26 PM
Do you think Russia will invade Ukraine?

How do Russian civilians feel towards Ukraine?

Do most Russians you know support a Ukraine invasion? ... Or does it seem to be something only the political/military leaders want to do?


... Biden is not in control of our country. There are people "behind the scenes" who are determining our policies, and they are using Biden as the face/messenger/scapegoat. That is kind of scary because Liberal elite/media/politicians desperately want a war with Russia. I'm nott sure why.. but the left have been hell bent on spreading anti-russian propaganda for at least 4-5 years.. Maybe more. https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/ (https://nypost.com/2021/11/04/the-real-collusion-was-the-creation-of-russiagate-out-of-absolutely-nothing/)

So it's scary because the person who will be held accountable (Biden)... Is also a person who is clearly declining in both physical, and more obviously mental health.

Basically Biden is perfect for the job. He's not Trump (because based on the 4 years Trump was President.. He would do everything in his power to avoid military conflict) Biden is a career politician that understood a long time ago he belongs to specific corporations and will serve their interests.. and when it's all over with, Biden's dementia will be so severe that everyone will feel sorry for him and not hold him accountable.

By the time the American people realize a war with Russia was such a horrible senseless act that could have been avoided, the "behind the scenes" elites who actually made the decision to invade Russia will never have to face consequences because they're behind the scenes... And the person (Biden) that the public believes made the decision to invade Russia will be in such a horrible state of mental decline that it will be impossible to charge him.


It's perfect.

The only way to avoid the conflict all together is if Putin backs off Ukraine... But the more I think about it, the more I think Putin might just be "testing the waters" to see how the U.S. responds to potential threats from Russia... Do they respond from a position of strength, or potential weakness.

There was an article posted a few years ago stating the U.S. could lose a war to China OR Russia https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns (https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-could-lose-war-to-russia-or-china-report-to-congress-warns) ... But that report could have easily been created/fabricated/manufactured to convince Trump and the Public that more military spending was a good thing... or even an attempt to convince/trick China/Russia into attacking from a weak position, believing it were stronger.

No matter what.. A war where the U.S., China, and Russia is inevitable eventually. China will pass U.S. as a global super power if there is no intervention. The most common form of intervention throughout human history is war. Empires do not give up their superiority without a fight. And China/Russia are better friends than U.S./China or U.S./Russia.

(https://c.tenor.com/tnzTo8a05-IAAAAM/no-brainer-homer-simpson.gif)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Available on January 28, 2022, 04:49:40 PM
@tk, could you stop watching TV and so on, at least until you read something like this
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/401333.Age_of_Propaganda (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/401333.Age_of_Propaganda)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: CumSavorer4385 on January 28, 2022, 06:20:47 PM
He's not Trump (because based on the 4 years Trump was President.. He would do everything in his power to avoid military conflict)

lol look how retarded he is
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on January 29, 2022, 02:37:32 PM
Trump dropped a massive bomb on Afghanistan and assassinated Qasem Soleimani, luckily Iran is a sane country and didn't start WW3 over it. 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on January 29, 2022, 04:03:11 PM
Qasem Soleimani

Iran has a GDP of 191.7 billion USD per year.

It's highly unlikely a country with so few recourses would be able to start a WW3. Doesn't matter what any major government in the world does to it's citizens.
Right or wrong Iran would have to stay quite as it did with the assassination of Qasem Soleimani.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on January 30, 2022, 04:55:02 PM
Ukraine just told U.S to shut the fuck up , that there's no threat from Russia and quit war mongering.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 13, 2022, 11:36:48 AM
Currently looks like the U.S. is coming from a position of weakness. So far the only troops the U.S. are sending are to protect NATO assets. The only action the U.S. has acknowledged it will take is sanctions that Russia might feel won't impact them too negatively.

U.S has been in a constant war for nearly 20 years. American citizens overall will not support a new war with any country... But I could envision a scenario where Russia invades Ukraine, U.S. troops are near by in surrounding areas.. Then U.S. stages a false flag operation against American troops, Claiming Russia is solely responsible and that it was intentional..

Americans could be tricked into supporting our involvement if that were to happen.. or at least not resist.

... and then the elephant in the room is how does China react. China would be the domino that would create the global cascade effect if it came to Russia's aid opposing U.S. forces.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 13, 2022, 11:42:00 AM
And the U.S. currently has no clear competent leader... which means internally there could potentially be a power struggle between different u.s. agencies/entities if a clear competent leader has not been privately selected.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 13, 2022, 11:48:55 AM
Ukraine just told U.S to shut the fuck up , that there's no threat from Russia and quit war mongering.

Your government is being told to fuck off my the truckers lol.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 14, 2022, 02:33:11 PM
"truckers", there's like a small minority of protesters that are actually tuckers. most truckers are vaccinated and don't agree with the protesters.

and as usual with every right-wing protest, pigs are passive as usual.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 15, 2022, 12:37:14 PM

pig trash 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 15, 2022, 06:24:37 PM
You know Karl Marx wasn’t actually a working class person right?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 16, 2022, 01:17:30 PM
Police aren't working class
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 16, 2022, 03:03:26 PM
Police aren't working class

😂😂😂
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 16, 2022, 03:22:06 PM
also trustfund baby bitches like you aren't working class either
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 17, 2022, 06:39:47 AM
also trustfund baby bitches like you aren't working class either

I have a job. Do you work or do you collect free money from the government.
All justifiable by “communism” I’m sure.

Communists dont represent the working class and yet insist they want to help them.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 17, 2022, 11:48:49 AM
since when is being a trustfund baby bitch a job rofl


and listen you retarded shit, communism is a working class movement, that's literally its roots you brainless liberal npc american bitch.

what do you expect from a troglodyte that thinks police are working class  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 17, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
since when is being a trustfund baby bitch a job rofl


and listen you retarded shit, communism is a working class movement, that's literally its roots you brainless liberal npc american bitch.

what do you expect from a troglodyte that thinks police are working class  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Working class people in Canada and America dont support communism.
Or do you disagree with that?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 17, 2022, 11:42:39 PM
yes due to severe propaganda and the liberal virus.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 18, 2022, 06:16:38 AM
yes due to severe propaganda and the liberal virus.

Ever stop to think people would rather have freedom vs equality?
Or is that a foreign concept for you?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 18, 2022, 10:52:49 AM
haha what the fuck are you even trying to say
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 18, 2022, 01:25:24 PM
haha what the fuck are you even trying to say

Think hard it's not that difficult to understand but I don't think your able able to grasp this concept. Your political ideology is your religion would appear.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 19, 2022, 09:59:47 AM
there's nothing to think about, you're an incoherent babbling moron.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 19, 2022, 10:42:38 AM
there's nothing to think about, you're an incoherent babbling moron.

Babbling about what exactly?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 19, 2022, 11:05:18 AM
the idea that  equality somehow negates 'freedom' for one thing  :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 19, 2022, 03:31:59 PM
the idea that  equality somehow negates 'freedom' for one thing  :rofl:

If you had to choose between freedom or equality which would you pick?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 23, 2022, 07:07:41 AM
@tk, could you stop watching TV and so on, at least until you read something like this
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/401333.Age_of_Propaganda (https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/401333.Age_of_Propaganda)


Just all propaganda? 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 23, 2022, 10:54:13 PM
ukraine being slaughtered, that's why happens when you adopt a u.s/nato puppet state on russia's border, also littered with nazi rats
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 23, 2022, 11:50:29 PM
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man way too easy
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on February 24, 2022, 09:43:40 AM
ive gotta admit i didnt think russia would actually do it, figured all the media talk was just scaremongering.  i guess nato refusnig to disavow ukrainian membership while ukraine banned the russian language and its militias kept on shelling of luhnask and donetsk, combined with russian willingness for war, finally was enough.  we'll see where it goes from here.  funny it all started from protests with less than 50% support that demanded the rejection of a better trade deal with russia in favor of cozying up to western europe.  ukrainian nazis and EU lovers have really seen their country down the tubes.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on February 24, 2022, 09:44:26 AM
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man way too easy
Still an hour longer than it takes my forces to roll over you in war2
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on February 24, 2022, 11:34:03 AM
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owned
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 25, 2022, 12:20:39 PM
i suspect we will see China invade Taiwan in the coming months.

Nations are publicly tossing the term Nuclear Weappns around. I pray it never comes to that. It should not even be a topic of discussion. for anyone.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 26, 2022, 08:05:39 PM
Invalid Tweet ID

man way too easy

do you feel retarded for posting this yet
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 26, 2022, 08:06:51 PM
or are retards incapable of feeling even more retarded.

i may have made a mistake in asking the initial question. you dont have to answer it.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 26, 2022, 08:07:59 PM
Why havent any fucking russians responded to this shit.

Are they afraid their government might see it? is it that fucking oppressive in Russia?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 26, 2022, 08:24:39 PM
Maybe it will be interesting for you what russian medias talk about the situation:

The full Putin's speech right before attack to Ukraine.


Sorry, only russian. You can switch the subtitles on and translate.
I tried to find that in english part of RT, but didn't find it there. Only short videos, about 2-3 min.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 26, 2022, 11:31:54 PM
I think there is going to be a nuclear war. The whole world is turning against Putin and he will feel like he was tricked. Like they set a trap not him. He will be furious.

The only thing that will stop Putin is either the people closest to him if they dare defy him, or the people of Russia. The civilians.

Prayers for the people of Russia
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on February 27, 2022, 05:30:34 AM
I think there is going to be a nuclear war. The whole world is turning against Putin and he will feel like he was tricked. Like they set a trap not him. He will be furious.

The only thing that will stop Putin is either the people closest to him if they dare defy him, or the people of Russia. The civilians.

Prayers for the people of Russia

not sure if prayers are going to help this situation.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 28, 2022, 04:19:48 PM
Well they're not going to hurt anything
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 28, 2022, 04:24:21 PM
Well they're not going to hurt anything
Maybe it will be interesting for you what russian medias talk about the situation:

The full Putin's speech right before attack to Ukraine.


Sorry, only russian. You can switch the subtitles on and translate.
I tried to find that in english part of RT, but didn't find it there. Only short videos, about 2-3 min.


I have watched the interview. I am not so much concerned about what Putin has to say. I am curious how the average Russian feels about this.

Do they support putin. Are they against the invasion of ukraine?

.. or is Russia so oppressive that it is not safe for anybody to speak freely on the issue if they do not support putin?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on February 28, 2022, 04:30:16 PM
I think there is going to be a nuclear war. The whole world is turning against Putin and he will feel like he was tricked. Like they set a trap not him. He will be furious.

The only thing that will stop Putin is either the people closest to him if they dare defy him, or the people of Russia. The civilians.

Prayers for the people of Russia
Lol, no one is intervening here, so Russia will most likely successfully oust the sitting ukrainian government in the coming days.  What makes the nukes start flying in this, the most likely scenario?

The west was already opposing and sanctioning Russia all the time, but Russia still has their partnership with China and the rest of the developing world.  They gave up trying to work with the west here, clearly, but have another path before them.

you think russians all hate this war?  Did americans all hate the illegal war on iraq when we invaded?  nationalism allows for a lot of nonsense in the name of the nation
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on February 28, 2022, 05:14:53 PM
Quote from: tk[as


Do they support putin. Are they against the invasion of ukraine?

.. or is Russia so oppressive that it is not safe for anybody to speak freely on the issue if they do not support putin?


I'll put it like this,  if someone is caught going against the state (either protesting in the streets or disparaging them in a public forum such as this),  it's literally a minimum of 10yrs in prison.  So I'm not surprised that the Russian members are quiet on this.

It's amusing to see the gullible idiots in here be proven wrong by TK though.  I cant believe someone on this forum actually believes the complete fantasy that the russian state media has been putting out.  Not a shred of truth in any of it.  Biden is no better either (he lies just as much, if not more as the russian state media which is nothing more than an extension of Putin's own words), but the consequences of just discussing it are no where near places like Russia, China, NK, Cuba, etc.

China gets a bad rap for it's "State run media",  but many people forget that Russia has the same thing.  The US also has it's version of state run media (ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc they are all pretty much run by the deep leftist state).  But unlike the communist run countries,  the west has options OTHER than state run media that does actually carry the truth (Fox and countless talk radio shows for example).  The consequences for dissenting opinions are also not as harsh in the west compared to these dictator run places.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 06:45:46 PM
I am curious how the average Russian feels about this.

Do they support putin. Are they against the invasion of ukraine?

.. or is Russia so oppressive that it is not safe for anybody to speak freely on the issue if they do not support putin?
There are different opinions in Russia about that.
Many people support Putin, many people not.
It depends on what medias you watch.

There's a lot "opposite" medias who criticise current government. I'd say they tell the same point of view as the point of view in the USA.
Putin doesn't touch them except they cross some red lines (like explicit support for Nazism). Then such medias begin to have big problems.

There's a lot of media personalities (well-known actors, singers, scientists, etc) who condemn russian aggression against Ukraine and they condemned most russian government activity before that agression.
Some other people think that's because these they have some realty in USA/Europe and they are being afraid to loss it. Looks like nobody is being afraid of Putin, but they are afraid on USA/Europe.

But i'd say last 2-3 days that's going to be dangerous to publicly criticize Russian aggression soon. Of course that's related to popular bloggers with millions subscribers. No any problems for some random persons with 50-100 member communities.
Last 2-3 days russian government asked to not call that "a war", "an invasion", but "a special military operation".
Not sure if there will be some problems for those who ignore, but i'd say it's time for big changes in Russia.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 06:55:07 PM
Lol, no one is intervening here, so Russia will most likely successfully oust the sitting ukrainian government in the coming days.
Yes, most russians, same as even most ukrainians have the same thoughts.
Everybody understand sanctions will not stop anybody.

you think russians all hate this war?
Some russians hate it, some other enjoy it.
Putin's rating is about 75% and grows up on these events.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 07:12:34 PM
I'll put it like this,  if someone is caught going against the state (either protesting in the streets or disparaging them in a public forum such as this),  it's literally a minimum of 10yrs in prison.  So I'm not surprised that the Russian members are quiet on this.
As we can see on TV, if someone is protesting in the streets as part of the group, he will go to police and then will go home in 12-48 hours.
Much more serious if someone desecrate monuments of WW2 or something like that. That's sacred for Russia. Then it can be a several months in prison. Or that can be nothing, it depends...

What is truth? Who knows that?
Last 8 years russian official media showed how ukrainian nazi kills citizens of the east regions of Ukraine. Also these 8 years russian official media showed that Eupore/USA ignored these facts.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 28, 2022, 07:26:12 PM
im starting to question whether putin will succeed or not.

media in U.S. seems to say "entire world against putin right now"

might be fake news. very well could be... U.S. media makes it sound like most russians against Putin right now.

but if it's even remotely true... Putin is going to have 2 options: 1) continue with mission and risk economic collapse or militaristic retaliation from western nations (i think economic collapse is possible. western retaliation unlikely)   .. or 2) turn around and appear weak.

Right now Ukraine is trying to fast track its way into NATO it sounds. If that happens, Russia will be invading a NATO country... and he will have almost no choice but to retreat... or risk a war that will most likely escalate to nuclear magnitude.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on February 28, 2022, 07:28:34 PM
thank you for taking time to answer iL. Wishing for the best.. for all sides.. Hoping this all calmly de-escalates.. but stilll trying to calculate all possibilities.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 08:01:29 PM
im starting to question whether putin will succeed or not.
As i see here: everybody is sure he will win against Ukraine.

media in U.S. seems to say "entire world against putin right now"
Yes, the entire western world. China actively abstains, possibly they will help Russia. Other asian countries also wait.

might be fake news. very well could be... U.S. media makes it sound like most russians against Putin right now.
Many russians dislike Putin's activity against Ukraine, many people applaud him.

but if it's even remotely true... Putin is going to have 2 options: 1) continue with mission and risk economic collapse or militaristic retaliation from western nations (i think economic collapse is possible. western retaliation unlikely)   .. or 2) turn around and appear weak.
Nobody trust he will turn around. That would be absolute stupidity. We ALREADY got all the sanctions. Putin said all the risks are calculated. We have nothing but hope and believe that.
And yes, economic collapse is almost our new reality, russians are going to get ready to it, as possibe to get ready...

Another problem is USA: that inflation risk in USD, stock markets are growing for too long time, the question is WHEN the downfall will happen. There's a big chance these mutual sanctions can be a heavy blow to USA economic. So, it's time for you to get ready to it too...

Right now Ukraine is trying to fast track its way into NATO it sounds. If that happens, Russia will be invading a NATO country... and he will have almost no choice but to retreat... or risk a war that will most likely escalate to nuclear magnitude.
If NATO will take Ukraine now, that will be absolute stupidity. Putin will not stop as he ALREADY attacks Ukraine, so NATO will have to choose: to attack Russia and turn the world to WW3 or to not help Ukraine and shows weakness.
BTW, country being in war with someone can't join NATO, so i think that scenario is extremely unlikely.
Same as unlikely scenario that Ukraine join the EU now.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on February 28, 2022, 08:07:21 PM
I think IL’s point about American inflation is pretty spot on. As it is America has effectively stopped pumping oil. With the sanction’s on Russia one of the world’s biggest oil suppliers that will effectively exasperate runaway inflation in America even more.

We are certainly living in at a time in history we will all remember no matter what happens.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 08:13:25 PM
Hoping this all calmly de-escalates.. but stilll trying to calculate all possibilities.
My thoughts:
The most possible scenario, is Putin will take Kiev, denazify and demilitarize the Ukraine and sanctions will grow up all the time.
After that a de-escalation will happen eventually.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on February 28, 2022, 08:25:27 PM
Europe is who’s really going to get the squeeze here. Russian gas pipelines being shut down making them more reliant on more expensive gas from the US. Pulled deeper into a US-centric economic orbit.  China and even Brazil staying neutral means an alternative market to compete with the US-centric economy that is sanctioning half the world
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on February 28, 2022, 09:01:28 PM
Putin will take Kiev, denazify and demilitarize the Ukraine and sanctions will grow up all the time

I have hope that the Ukraine citizens will drag out taking of Kiev for a very long time but I agree,  eventually,  it's going to crumble.  If it cant be taken without minimal loss of civilians (which appears to have at least been attempted),  he's simply going to carpet bomb the place,  level it into the stone age and then there will literally be nothing left.  Is that a victory?  In his eyes,  yes.

Everything you said is likely to be true in the future (maybe days, maybe weeks,  who knows),  but I am curious,  how exactly is he going to "De-Nazify" a population/government that has no Nazis in it?  For example,  the president of Ukraine is literally Jewish.  Jewish and Nazi dont belong in the same universe let alone the same sentence :)

I tell you what Ukraine does have a lot of that needs to be cleaned up though,  oligarch corruption.  It's just as bad if not worse than Russia itself.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on February 28, 2022, 09:11:03 PM
US elected a black president, guess there must be no racism in the US

#1: Ukraine actually is infested with nazis.  They formally folded a literal Nazi battalion into their national guard.  They have some nazis in elected positions.  Here's a tweet from the official ukrainian national guard twitter, showing off how the nazi battalion is greasing bullets with pig lard to shoot muslim "orcs" with. Invalid Tweet ID
 These are the types of people most invested in the ukrainian identity so they have always been the most fervently anti-russia.  They admire a nationalist militia, the organization of ukrainian nationalists, that ethnically cleansed polish people, killing tens of thousands of women and children, and they fly their flag everywhere.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on February 28, 2022, 09:25:29 PM
Interesting,  so this is essentially the same type of group that the Russians have (chechen "Special Purpose Military Units"),  extremists that go over the top with brutality and cruelty.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 09:34:48 PM
I have hope that the Ukraine citizens will drag out taking of Kiev for a very long time but I agree,  eventually,  it's going to crumble.  If it cant be taken without minimal loss of civilians (which appears to have at least been attempted),  he's simply going to carpet bomb the place,  level it into the stone age and then there will literally be nothing left.  Is that a victory?  In his eyes,  yes.
Official media in Russia tells (also Putin set the same task) that russian army use pinpoint strikes to military objects, they don't use aviation or weapons of mass destruction against cities and even against enemies soldiers. Only military objects. They also don't destruct brigdes, communication channels, etc.
about 3-4 days of attacks, huge part of territories freed (or occupied, depending on point of view), but infrastructure still working almost 100%: electricity, internet, water supply and so on.
So they say carpet bombs would be unacceptable way for russian army.

Another side, as they say: nazi (ukrainian army) use their (ukrainian) civilians as a shield. They know russians will not attack with risk of killing ukrainian civilians.
Something like that...

but I am curious,  how exactly is he going to "De-Nazify" a population/government that has no Nazis in it?
That is a good question. There are different assumptions, but nobody knows definitely. We just have to hope and believe Putin has a plan :)

I tell you what Ukraine does have a lot of that needs to be cleaned up though,  oligarch corruption.  It's just as bad if not worse than Russia itself.
Putin said nothing about "decorrution". Only about "denazification and demilitarization"
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 09:40:15 PM
Interesting,  so this is essentially the same type of group that the Russians have (chechen "Special Purpose Military Units"),  extremists that go over the top with brutality and cruelty.
Yes, exactly,
chechen "Special Purpose Military Units" are being used to knock out the nazi from cities and fortified facilities. Their tasks: to attack nazi, not touching civilians.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on February 28, 2022, 09:44:26 PM
Official media in Russia tells (also Putin set the same task) that russian army use pinpoint strikes to military objects, they don't use aviation or weapons of mass destruction against cities and even against enemies soldiers. Only military objects. They also don't destruct brigdes, communication channels, etc.
about 3-4 days of attacks, huge part of territories freed (or occupied, depending on point of view), but infrastructure still working almost 100%: electricity, internet, water supply and so on.
So they say carpet bombs would be unacceptable way for russian army.

So far,  I have to admit, the evidence does support this.  There hasnt been much in the way of purposely targeting civilian populations (yet).  There have been some,  but it appears to have been possibly unintended.  Time will tell if it remains that way.  I cant say I have much hope that it will.  Have you seen the video of the tank that ran out of gas and a citizen pulled up and asked if they needed a tow back to Russia,  that was pretty damn funny lol.

Here it is,  I dont know how accurate the english subtitles are but I bet its pretty accurate based on the giggling that can be heard:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on February 28, 2022, 09:48:40 PM
One of recent videos from east Ukraine observer.
Trying to proof russians are not bad guys.

Just a video with english translation
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Zelya on March 01, 2022, 04:31:48 AM
2014. Russia occuped Crimia, started invation to  Donbass. All the initial battles where started by russians mercenaries. Read about Girkin, Borodai and others who occuped Ukainian cities during the staring period of war. Later Russia sent weapon, instructors, mercenaries and also helped with fire from its territorry.
Now they told about 8-years war. Yes it was a war and Russia has started it.
But today they officialy go to another country with regular army.  They told you that they want to destroy mistic nazi from Ukraine. Even Russian army blieved in this shit at the starting of invation. They thought that only a few pelople will fight agianst them. They thought that they will have flowers from civilians but they have bullets now. All the Ukriane is fightning against Russia now. So all the Ukriane is "nazi" for Russia. And they realized this two days ago and sterted to destory everybody. Just imagine your neighbor county tell you "I don't like your goverment, I'll send my army to destory it. And don't touch me."
You can see a lot of Russian videos. But... Two days ago they told you "no losses in Ukriane". They told you "2/3 of Ukraine is feilad in 10 hrs".  They told you "Zelensky leave Kyiv the first day of invation". Do you still believe them? I don't tell you that all the Ukrianian information is totally true. But read both sides. Comapre them. Make a decigion which information is more realisitc. Check this information later. And don't believe to people who lie you every day.
Il post here info from "east Ukraine observer". Peson who live in Moscow. But even pro-russian observers are laughing at him. Today text from Girkin (official military criminal, he started war in Cremia and Donbass and one of persons responsible for destorying МН17): "уверенно рассказывать о "скором окружении всей группировки ВСУ" могут только Юрий Подоляка". And while you believe to bloggers like Pododliaka you are as stupid as he.

Who am I? I'm 'nazi' from Lviv the main cidadel of nazi. I'm a person who 'killing Russians people last 30 years'. Some of you knows me better and they know how I 'hate Russians and Russian language'. Some of you were in Lviv and we were 'destroying Russian people from East toghther'.
But now I'm sure that Russia is the biggest shit in the world. Not all people from this crazy country, but most of them.

Russian Warship Go F* Yourself
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 01, 2022, 09:00:03 AM
^^ See, to me this began before the eastern Ukraine breakaway regions, when the euromaidan overthrew Yanukovych.  But the above post demonstrates the problem with this invasion imo.  Like, not only is there the violence and destruction that war begets, but what exactly is the plan?  will people whose country was just invaded be content to allow a new pro-Russian government?  How will it be upheld without an occupation?  Without more violence?

Best idea I can come up with is that the goal is to obtain a peace agreement very favorably to Russia (autonomy and final peace for luhansk and donetsk, promise not to join nato & neutrality, banning Right Sector, somethnig like that).
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 10:29:31 AM
Do you believe there are a lot of Nazis in your region @iL ?

In the U.S. the left will accuse someone of being racist to discredit someone. Even if the person isn't racists. They accuse them of being racist to get public support. If they say someone is racist enough, people start to believe it.

Do you think is the same in Russia? They accuse people of being Nazis just so public will support attacks on the person being accused of being a Nazi, or are there really a lot of Nazis in that region?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Zelya on March 01, 2022, 10:36:23 AM
to me this began before the eastern Ukraine breakaway regions, when the euromaidan overthrew Yanukovych.
Why now from USSR destroying? Or not from GKChP and Grobachev blocked in Crimea? Or not from Lenin and Nikolai || murdering?
Best idea I can come up with is that the goal is to obtain a peace agreement very favorably to Russia (autonomy and final peace for luhansk and donetsk, promise not to join nato & neutrality, banning Right Sector, somethnig like that).
Really? We were not in NATO and most of people didn't want to join NATO. But they came to us, occupied our territory and start a war in Donbass and later in all Ukraine. And now you tell us: give them Crimea, give them Donbass and promise not to join NATO? Are you crazy? They did this because we were not in NATO. And they will do this again and again. They tell on TV that "there is no Ukraine, this is our land".
We gave all our nuclear weapon to Russia in 1994 and they promised to defend our borders. And what we have now? Russia is fighting against Ukraine. Of course all of us want to join NATO.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 10:41:12 AM
What country you live in @Zelya
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Zelya on March 01, 2022, 10:43:03 AM
Ukraine, of course.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 10:49:42 AM
I thought so by your comment, but didn't know we had Ukraine players.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Zelya on March 01, 2022, 10:51:44 AM
Because you read nothing except this sub-forum and maybe flame.

https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,6424.msg98143.html#new
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 01, 2022, 11:01:39 AM
to me this began before the eastern Ukraine breakaway regions, when the euromaidan overthrew Yanukovych.
Why now from USSR destroying? Or not from GKChP and Grobachev blocked in Crimea? Or not from Lenin and Nikolai || murdering?
Best idea I can come up with is that the goal is to obtain a peace agreement very favorably to Russia (autonomy and final peace for luhansk and donetsk, promise not to join nato & neutrality, banning Right Sector, somethnig like that).
Really? We were not in NATO and most of people didn't want to join NATO. But they came to us, occupied our territory and start a war in Donbass and later in all Ukraine. And now you tell us: give them Crimea, give them Donbass and promise not to join NATO? Are you crazy? They did this because we were not in NATO. And they will do this again and again. They tell on TV that "there is no Ukraine, this is our land".
We gave all our nuclear weapon to Russia in 1994 and they promised to defend our borders. And what we have now? Russia is fighting against Ukraine. Of course all of us want to join NATO.
I'm saying that might be Russia's goal with this invasion, I'm not making a judgment on whether it's fair to Ukrainians.  It's obviously not.  This entire struggle between east and west has been played with Ukrainian lives as the currency.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 11:07:31 AM
Because you read nothing except this sub-forum and maybe flame.

https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,6424.msg98143.html#new

I'm not attacking you. Settle down. I asked a question. I'm working and not 100% concentrated on reading this.

Hoping for best with all civilians. In every country.

No reason people can't get along. All of humanity.. if we tried harder.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 01, 2022, 11:18:06 AM
or are there really a lot of Nazis in that region?

I didnt know about any of the Nazi problems in UK until Blid mentioned it.  They actually do have a real Nazi unit in the National Guard,  it's similar in nature to Russia's own Chechen unit.  In my opinion NEITHER side has the right to accuse the other of having extremist units because both of them have such a unit.  Anyway,  I ran across this wiki page,  even their unit emblem has a Swastika on it:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

However,  just because this unit exists,  it doesnt mean the entire population is Nazi.  According to the wiki (in 2018),  the make up of the unit was only 20-30% actual practicing Nazis.  Whether thats true or not,  I highly doubt it.  Would you join a unit that used a swastika for it's logo?  I know I sure wouldnt.

I also didnt realize there were so many Ukraine War2 players.  I had only known of 4 offhand,  but that link Zelya shows had at least 10 or 15 people at some sort of local war2 tourney.  And I know there are a bunch of Russian players.  I play with SPB a lot (on opposite teams) and I always believed he was Russian.  But the other day he was claiming to be Israeli and couldnt even spell the name.  It was weird.  I couldnt tell if he was being sarcastic, serious, or if he was truly embarrassed to be Russian.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 11:25:00 AM
He does not support Putin I believe. But he lives in saint Petersburg Russia

I believe he is Russian
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
If one of these 3 things doesn't happen soon, the U.s or other western nations will get involved:

1) Ukraine falls soon

2) Russia retreats soon

3) American public stops worrying about what's happening.

Right now most of Americans are furious at Russia. Many want us to get involved.

If this behavior continues, America would love to attack Russia either directly or indirectly by defending Ukraine with American boots on ground.

All American politicians love war..  and all Left politicians/media hate Russia.

American defense contractors are very bored and losing money now that we pulled out of Afghanistan and have no wars going on.

American defense contractors control most U.S. politicians. Republicans and Democrats.

Hopefully one of those 3 things happen. Ukraine surrenders, Russia retreats, or Americans get bored and  stop caring about it so much.

It is easy to get American support to attack Russia/defend Ukraine.

Russia invading Ukraine is bad.. but if U.S or China get involved, it is world war 3.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 12:05:32 PM
I personally think the U.S. government doesn't care too much honestly.

I think only reason Americans are following it so closely is because we get excited about whatever our media tells us to get excited about.

Media has essentially said "covid is over" .. now they need something else to talk about to distract us from how covid seemed to have magically disappeared.

Russia invading Ukraine is perfect distraction ... So American media is using it to distract us.

Truly believe American Government doesn't care too much. 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 12:08:29 PM
Out of nowhere u.s. media decided that omnicron is the last variant..  that mask mandates are over..

Very strange because it typically takes many months for new variant to emerge.. and it has not been many months since omnicron spiked in U.S. .. but they seem to know that covid is essentially over.

Doesn't make much sense.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 01, 2022, 12:18:19 PM
omg even talking covid for some reason in a thread about war.

bidens been president for over a year and covid raged during his presidency, a new variant swept the country and is now mostly receded.  That's just how it works, that's not magic.  If it were magic/fake/media-created, it would've disappeared as soon as trump left office, but it didnt.  It'll probably be back in a new variant like you reference, but the public is weary of it at this ponit and has no more stomach for further restrictions so it would seem.  so if antoher variant comes we'll do even less than we did for omicron which was already almost nothing.  just cross your fingers that the next variant is mild and not deadly or else we're in for it lol
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 01, 2022, 12:23:21 PM
It is easy to get American support to attack Russia/defend Ukraine.

Russia invading Ukraine is bad.. but if U.S or China get involved, it is world war 3.
That's why they wont do it.  Russia has a nuclear stockpile, we're not gonna go shooting down their planes and start a hot war with them.  No one gives a shit what the public thinks. 

if military industrial complex wants more money we'll just keep pumping and dumping advanced military equipment into the hands of whoever in ukraine still wants to fight
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 01, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
Maybe it will be interesting for you what russian medias talk about the situation:

The full Putin's speech right before attack to Ukraine.


Sorry, only russian. You can switch the subtitles on and translate.
I tried to find that in english part of RT, but didn't find it there. Only short videos, about 2-3 min.



Western countries aren't listening to Putin, they've ignored his concerns since terrorist Ukraine has been attacking Donbas region since 2014.

But it was known long ago that NATO was goading Russia into war,



extremely good video from 2015 titled 'Why is Ukraine the West's Fault? on youtube. Featuring John Mearsheimer' on youtube explains the situation well.


Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 01, 2022, 12:49:12 PM
Quote from: tk[as


Do they support putin. Are they against the invasion of ukraine?

.. or is Russia so oppressive that it is not safe for anybody to speak freely on the issue if they do not support putin?


I'll put it like this,  if someone is caught going against the state (either protesting in the streets or disparaging them in a public forum such as this),  it's literally a minimum of 10yrs in prison.  So I'm not surprised that the Russian members are quiet on this.

It's amusing to see the gullible idiots in here be proven wrong by TK though.  I cant believe someone on this forum actually believes the complete fantasy that the russian state media has been putting out.  Not a shred of truth in any of it.  Biden is no better either (he lies just as much, if not more as the russian state media which is nothing more than an extension of Putin's own words), but the consequences of just discussing it are no where near places like Russia, China, NK, Cuba, etc.

China gets a bad rap for it's "State run media",  but many people forget that Russia has the same thing.  The US also has it's version of state run media (ABC, CNN, CBS, MSNBC, etc they are all pretty much run by the deep leftist state).  But unlike the communist run countries,  the west has options OTHER than state run media that does actually carry the truth (Fox and countless talk radio shows for example).  The consequences for dissenting opinions are also not as harsh in the west compared to these dictator run places.

Fuck we're in retard hours now
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 12:49:59 PM
There are 14000 "known" nuclear war heads on planet earth.

The people who have the ability to deploy them are arguably no more intelligent or rational than you or I.. in fact, I would argue that they are likely less rational.

Based on human history, they will get used eventually. They were made. They're likely to be used.

Nobody eve thinks the worst will happen, until it does.

I currently think it's a low probability.. but there is a possible series events that would lead to nuclear war.  Unlikely, but it exists.

We are closer to nuclear war today than we were 2 weeks ago.

We are without a doubt entering a severe global recession. Possibly a depression.

A global depression could very quickly alter global human psychology. Alter it in a manner that makes large scale global war more socially acceptable.

Fear, anger, and desperation are some powerful emotions. Especially when it's on a global scale.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 01, 2022, 12:54:41 PM
Everything you said is likely to be true in the future (maybe days, maybe weeks,  who knows),  but I am curious,  how exactly is he going to "De-Nazify" a population/government that has no Nazis in it?  For example,  the president of Ukraine is literally Jewish.


Zelenskyy is Jewish and yet , claims Stepan Bandera was a hero, goes to war with Donbas and incorporates Azov battalion nazis into the military.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 01, 2022, 12:55:49 PM
Fuck we're in retard hours now

Retard this:

How to start and drive a Russian armored vehicle, courtesy of a hot russian chick.
https://tiktok.com/@nastyatyman/video/7069353129434713346

This should be a welcome bit of info for our Ukrainian players ;)  When you find more of these (and you will, they are running out of fuel left and right lol),  be sure to send me a couple.  They would make great offroading toys lol.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
Good interview. Subtitles on.

302 Moved (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2Cugn8JZfk#)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 07:54:27 PM
Why would Ukraine want to team with NATO and not Russia?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 01, 2022, 09:07:43 PM
Hoping this all calmly de-escalates.. but stilll trying to calculate all possibilities.
My thoughts:
The most possible scenario, is Putin will take Kiev, denazify and demilitarize the Ukraine and sanctions will grow up all the time.
After that a de-escalation will happen eventually.

I think that's the most likely scenario. Russia continues invasion with no intervention from western nations. Western media essentially stops covering the conflict within a few months. Russia takes Ukraine over time. I think less than a few years.

over time things will cool off and a balance will temporarily develop.

Most likely scenario to me.. but not ruling out other possibilities yet.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 01, 2022, 10:51:01 PM
Why would Ukraine want to team with NATO and not Russia?

Ukraine was friendly with Russia and then in 2014 U.S overthrew their government
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 01, 2022, 11:21:04 PM
Ukraine was friendly with Russia and then in 2014 U.S overthrew their government

I think we found Jon,  he's laying on the side of the road dead,  no wonder his IQ is so low:

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Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 01, 2022, 11:30:12 PM
It's also curious that neither side seems to use night vision googles.  Hell even I have night vision (scope and googles) for coyote hunting.  If my unit didnt provide me any,  you best be betting your ass that I'd buy my own night vision before going into any combat zone.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: CumSavorer4385 on March 02, 2022, 04:46:49 PM
Fuck we're in retard hours now

Retard this:

How to start and drive a Russian armored vehicle, courtesy of a hot russian chick.
https://tiktok.com/@nastyatyman/video/7069353129434713346

This should be a welcome bit of info for our Ukrainian players ;)  When you find more of these (and you will, they are running out of fuel left and right lol),  be sure to send me a couple.  They would make great offroading toys lol.


Lets see how well these tips work out for the nazi Ukrainian military in about a month !
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: CumSavorer4385 on March 02, 2022, 04:48:31 PM
Why would Ukraine want to team with NATO and not Russia?

Ukraine was friendly with Russia and then in 2014 U.S overthrew their government

The Ukrainians who like NATO and hate Russia have national heroes with very interesting "allegiance" sections on wikipedia
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 05:14:53 PM
Isn't the president of Ukraine jewish? .. and something about his dad or Grandpa being the only survivor of four children during the Holocaust?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 05:18:57 PM
I have no doubt there are Nazi sympathizers in ukraine. But It seems like accusing someone of being a Nazi is similar to liberals (who elected a president on record being blatantly racist on multiple occasionally ns lol) falsely accusing a republican they don't like of being racist.

"If we say he is racist enough everyone will believe us and stop supporting him!" .. when it's almost never true.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 05:21:11 PM
They find a few racist right wing people then say "see they're all racist we told you!"

When in reality it's a very low percentage that definitely doesn't represent what the overwhelming majority of the party values.

It's just propaganda. Manipulation. Indoctrination.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 05:22:13 PM
So when blid posts videos of a few Nazi ukranians.. that means jack shit to me. I've already seen this game played out dozens of times over the last several years in the u.s.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 02, 2022, 05:26:06 PM
There are Nazis even within Russia itself.  There are Nazis everywhere on this planet.  However there is only 1 Putin on the planet and it's clear which one is having a hissy fit atm.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 05:32:44 PM
There are definitely nazis all over.. and racists.... Just not to the degree opposing political parties would like their base to believe.

Not going to lie the more objective research I do, the more I respect Putin's actions. I can't blame the guy for doing what he is doing if the information I have right now is relatively accurate
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 02, 2022, 05:57:36 PM
It is accurate,  but then you have to stop and remember that ANY country on the planet can join Nato if they meet the requirements (which would include Russia).  So why fight against Nato rather than work towards joining it instead.  It's not like the requirements are inhumane requirements.  There are only 3 main requirements to join and none of those requirements say that you must be against Russia or China or whatever country you want to insert.  When was the last time you saw a Nato country invade another Nato country?  Or even threaten to invade another Nato country?  None that I am aware of.  Basically you must be a peaceful, democratic, free market country.  Not really that difficult if you think about it.

This actually lists all of the requirements of current countries seeking to join:  https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160627_1607-factsheet-enlargement-eng.pdf (https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/pdf_2016_07/20160627_1607-factsheet-enlargement-eng.pdf)

Does Russia meet any of these basic requirements?

1.  Peaceful -- Definitely NOT peaceful, no country can be considered "peaceful" when it's in a conflict.  Resolve all conflicts and this box can be checked.  Many will argue that the US is not "peaceful".  I would disagree.  I dont see the US invading Canada anytime soon simply because it wants the oil/land like Putin is currently doing.  Canada has more oil than all of Eurasia combined.

2.  Democratic -- This one is debatable for Russia.  It's current election corruption probably doesnt allow checking of this box, and IMO,  the USA lost this requirement in 2020 due to it's own voting corruption problems.  However,  it's not outside of the realm of possibility for Russia to achieve this and it doesnt require attacking other countries to achieve either.

3.  Free Market -- I dont live in Russia, so I cant say if it has a free market or not

Get those 3 main requirements fulfilled and possible entry into Nato increases substantially.  Do I think Russia will ever be a part of Nato?  No,  not in my lifetime but it's a possibility if the people want it bad enough.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 02, 2022, 07:15:27 PM
Get those 3 main requirements fulfilled and possible entry into Nato increases substantially.  Do I think Russia will ever be a part of Nato?  No,  not in my lifetime but it's a possibility if the people want it bad enough.
Putin told in one of his speech: a country should not solve security problems at the expense of other countries. (One of NATO principals).

Each east europe country joining NATO reduces distance to main russian cities. NATO is gradually approaching to Russia. That is unacceptable to Russia.

Also Putшт said he talked to Clinton (if i remember properly) and asked him about Russia to join NATO.
Clinton made it clear Russia is not welcomed to NATO ever...
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 02, 2022, 07:21:02 PM
Clinton made it clear Russia is not welcomed to NATO ever...

I bet Winston Churchill, Franklin D. Roosevelt, and Harry Truman would have said the same thing about Germany back in 1941.  Nothing is ever impossible :)  Germany is part of Nato and look at it's TERRIBLE history against humanity.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 02, 2022, 07:29:09 PM
At least russians feels NATO like a hostile block.
And looks like they have reasons to think so...
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 07:56:16 PM
The common theme with every person in a position of power is that they all want the same thing. More power. It's human nature for whatever reason.

Whether it's Biden, Putin, Xi, or Zelenskyy .. if they have the opportunity to oppress any nation for their own people's well being, they will.

The U.S. is the global super power right now, so they have the luxury of doing the most oppression. But if it were any other nation they would be seeking the same goals.

The unfortunate reality is people like us ... the average citizen .. we dont give a shit. We like each other. Regardless of what agendas our governments have... But we have to pay the price for their desire for control and power.

Humans are an evil species.. dont know if that will ever change.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 08:47:58 PM


interesting take on what is going on and why.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 02, 2022, 08:50:55 PM
To post youtube videos,  you have to right click on them and select "Copy Video URL".  If you copy the URL in the browser address bar,  you end up with the 302 errors you see here.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 02, 2022, 09:05:13 PM
To post youtube videos,  you have to right click on them and select "Copy Video URL".  If you copy the URL in the browser address bar,  you end up with the 302 errors you see here.
Or you can use tag "youtube" on forum: red symbol [>] in menu while editing message
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 02, 2022, 09:12:08 PM
ok fixed. thanks.

he talks fast. probably hard for some to follow.

but interesting opinions. Evidence to support opinions.

Just another piece of the puzzle. Im interested in all pieces of the puzzle.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 02, 2022, 09:37:57 PM
Why do you people watch youtube videos about this stuff. Over 30 minutes on that one. What does it say, just tell me. I wrote a post already about all the reasons, you don’t reply to it and just spit out some link to some random shit. I guess if he says what I already wrote here he might not be an idiot but I’ll assume he’s dumb until I hear otherwise
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 02, 2022, 09:48:51 PM
he talks fast. probably hard for some to follow.

but interesting opinions. Evidence to support opinions.

Just another piece of the puzzle. Im interested in all pieces of the puzzle.
Watched (with subtitles translated to russian).
That's quite similar to russian poisiton about the situation, but:
1. About Crimea:
Putin didn't pay much attention to economic part.
Priority #1 was - to save people.
There was the referendum in 2014 about Crimea, to stay in Ukraine or to move to Russia.
Official media said the were about 97% or Crimea people voted for Russia. Probably you remember CBUH, he told about that, with photos.
So, here's a real democracy in Russia as official media told us in 2014.
Much more democracy than "the main citadel of democracy - USA".
That's why russians call that not "anexia" but "reunion". Most russian people celebrated that for about several months.
Official media told us that if Crimea stay in Ukrane, ukrainian nazi would arrange a genocide there.
Relations between "pro-russians" and "nazi" was "complicated" for a long time before 2014.

Also official media told us NATO have been ready to deploy military bases in Crimea right after events in 2014.

Priority #2 was - to take contol over the sea.

BTW:
Same referendums have been organized in DPR/LPR. The result was about 70% for join to Russia.
As official media told us - Putin decided that's not enough. That's why DPR/LPR kept stay as parts of Ukraine.

2. About Ukraine in 2022:
the main trigger to attack Ukraine was (as official media and Putin told us) - intentions to put nuclear weapon (against Russia) into Ukraine. And intentions to join Ukraine into NATO.
After Ukraine join NATO, Putin would have to attack the whole alliance. Not possible.
Also not possible to have hostile nuclear weapon in 5 minutes flight to Moscow.
The red line Putin said to Biden weeks before.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 02, 2022, 10:30:49 PM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FM4JE22WQAEpWi3.jpg)

Lol.

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Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 02, 2022, 10:37:14 PM
At least russians feels NATO like a hostile block.
And looks like they have reasons to think so...

i'm sure even most observers in the west don't agree with NATO's skulduggery and antagonism but that does not justify this ridiculous war.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 02, 2022, 11:07:17 PM
lol, i see way too many morons defending nato tbh
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 03, 2022, 12:21:52 AM
i wasn't defending nato, they're warmongerers
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 03, 2022, 03:31:08 AM
Get those 3 main requirements fulfilled and possible entry into Nato increases substantially.  Do I think Russia will ever be a part of Nato?  No,  not in my lifetime but it's a possibility if the people want it bad enough.
Putin told in one of his speech: a country should not solve security problems at the expense of other countries. (One of NATO principals).

Each east europe country joining NATO reduces distance to main russian cities. NATO is gradually approaching to Russia. That is unacceptable to Russia.

Also Putшт said he talked to Clinton (if i remember properly) and asked him about Russia to join NATO.
Clinton made it clear Russia is not welcomed to NATO ever...

after World War II, the iron curtain was from Poland to the east, the Russians told us many lies, e.g. Katyn that it was a German job, in the 90s the border was moved to the east to Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, you still probably study at school that Russia  did not attack Poland, and war started when Germans attacked you
Russia lives in his own world, that it is always the best, invincible, and people are buying it, you have putin as president  for 20? years with a break when he was prime minister and you are not doing anything about it, you as the population of Russia, and now you support the conflict(of course not all, but most), hard times are ahead for Russians, very hard, you deserved it(as country), if you are not even protest, they cant arrest all russians
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 03, 2022, 05:49:28 AM
i'm sure even most observers in the west don't agree with NATO's skulduggery and antagonism but that does not justify this ridiculous war.
Our medias tell us most observers are biased in favor of the West.
They blind when they need to see agression of USA/NATO but they repeatedly exaggerate russian agression.

NATO being positioned as military block... against whom? They don't want to invite Russia. But they are happy to invite other countries from the west of Russia.

after World War II, the iron curtain was from Poland to the east, the Russians told us many lies, e.g. Katyn that it was a German job, in the 90s the border was moved to the east to Belarus, Ukraine and Russia, you still probably study at school that Russia  did not attack Poland, and war started when Germans attacked you
Yes, you right, the war for russians began in 22 Jun 1941, when Germany attacked USSR. Russians calls that part of WW2 - The Great Patriotic War.
Of course we know WW2 began in 1939 when Germany attacked Poland, but that's much less sufficient date for russians...

Honestly, i didn't look carefully about Katyn. Yes, Russian position is it was a German job. Also russians say the history is being a bit rewritten by West since that times.
Not sure whos "truth" is more truthful...

Russia lives in his own world, that it is always the best, invincible, and people are buying it, you have putin as president  for 20? years with a break when he was prime minister and you are not doing anything about it, you as the population of Russia, and now you support the conflict(of course not all, but most), hard times are ahead for Russians, very hard, you deserved it(as country), if you are not even protest, they cant arrest all russians
Well, many russians accept Putin. Who have been President before him?
Gorbachev? He destroyed the USSR - the great and powerful country. What americans would say about their president if he'd destroy USA to 50 separate countries? Not the best choice as for me.
Eltsin? Drunkard who kept destroying Russia after Gorbachev.
Several Presidents in late USSR before Gorbachev was weak and old seniles who did nothing except gradual decomposition of a big country.

And Putin came after Eltsin. Of course russians appreciated the contrast.
Ggradual recovery of cities, manufacturin, manufacturing. I remember how Moscow have been degraded in 199x, but after 2000 (when Putin came) roads, parks, buildings began to be updated.
That is what I saw with my own eyes.
I'm not an expert in manufacturing or foreign policy, but that looked also impressive as we hear from medias.

I think many people will agree 1 good president for 20 years is much better than 5 old idiots for 4 years each.

I think many russians just trust Putin, his experience and his activity. I'd say russians understand hard times coming, but who knows what would be better? To do or not to do?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 03, 2022, 05:59:17 AM
So you still belive that its good idea when he attacked ukraine if you belive he is "good"

what you had in CCCP? only army, now you can see your big CCCP army in ukraine, old tanks.... kids +2000born who will die for russia, as you see now economy sanctions are better than army
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 03, 2022, 08:06:58 AM
So you still belive that its good idea when he attacked ukraine if you belive he is "good"
I didn't say that's good idea. I said President is good, he made good decisions last 20 years, that let Russia become better.
I don't know what choice he had before attack the Ukraine.
Today i read a statement from russian official medias that Russia is ahead of NATO by 1 day. Otherwise NATO would invade to Ukraine, subdue LPR/DPR and later place nuclear weapon there.
That would be definitely a fatal russian defeat in global confrontation...

what you had in CCCP? only army, now you can see your big CCCP army in ukraine, old tanks.... kids +2000born who will die for russia, as you see now economy sanctions are better than army
Not only army. Many machines, devices made is USSR are still working now.
Fridges, vacuum cleaners, motors - are morally obsolete but working yet. They are still much more durable than modern ones from china...

I don't talk about USSR was a paradise, but it held a worthy place in the world.

I'm not happy that the situation goes as it goes now, i think that will touch the whole world: Eupore, Russia, USA, probably China and everybody else. That will be hard times for everyone of us. I just send you what russian government tells to russians and how i understand that.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 03, 2022, 09:01:50 AM
Nato would do nothing if russia didnt attack ukraine, ukraine wouldnt join NATO, and now.. sweden and finland want join nato,  congratulation putin you did it. now ukraine want join eu

Russian government are liers, your country still lie about ww2 that soviet army didnt attack poland in september, lied about katyn 45 years, and russians are asking why polish people dont like them, now everyone will dont like russians, expect russian allinace wenezuela, north korea.  russia will die inside
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 11:04:16 AM
Szwagier,  you're history is slightly wrong.  IDK where you got it from but Russia DID NOT attack Poland first.  That was the Germans.  The Russians came in a few weeks later under the guise of:  The “reason” given was that Russia had to come to the aid of its “blood brothers,” the Ukrainians and Byelorussians, who were trapped in territory that had been illegally annexed by Poland  (Sound familiar?  It's the same reason given today for Ukraine, these types of claims are all to common for starting wars,  Russia isnt the only country who has used this type of excuse in history)

Quote:  "Hitler’s troops were already wreaking havoc in Poland, having invaded on the first of the month."
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviet-union-invades-poland (https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/soviet-union-invades-poland)

So you are right, Russians did attack Poland,  but you're wrong that they were the first to do so in regards to the beginning of WW2.  Make NO mistake,  Russia DID NOT START WW2 which is what I think you were trying to insinuate.  That lies soley on the shoulders of Germany and will forever stain their history,  most Germans even today are still ashamed that it was their country that started WW2 and all it's inhumane activities.  Humans didnt come to dominate the world because they painted rainbows everywhere and lined streets with candy.  They have destroyed more species on this planet than all the other species that have ever existed COMBINED.

Every country has a dark period in history.  Russia has Stalin's mass murder through the Golags,  USA has it's mass murder of Native Americans, Germany against the Jews, and so on.  Humans are and will forever be completely immoral violent creatures.

It sounds to me like you're forgetting that 1938 ever took place where Poland invaded Slovakia and annexed it:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish%E2%80%93Czechoslovak_border_conflicts)

There isnt a country on this planet that DOESNT have blood on it's hands somewhere.  None.  Not a single one.  Including Poland.  Does it make what Russia is doing today ok?  ABSOLUTELY NOT.  But that doesnt mean you get to act like your country has been completely innocent for all of history either.  Poland hasnt been all Rainbows and Sunshine for it's entire modern history.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 03, 2022, 11:20:14 AM
Szwagier spreading lies about the USSR like the nazi rat dog he is
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 03, 2022, 11:29:29 AM
Yes cccp attack Poland 17th 16 days after germany
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 11:30:55 AM
Szwagier spreading lies about the USSR like the nazi rat dog he is

The only Nazi on these forums is you.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 03, 2022, 11:38:23 AM
Yes cccp attack Poland 17th 16 days after germany
poles huffed on nazi jizz
too many poles were friendly with the nazi dogs, which is why ussr had to do some steamrolling
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 03, 2022, 11:42:27 AM
Szwagier spreading lies about the USSR like the nazi rat dog he is

The only Nazi on these forums is you.

U asked me to unban him lol.
All the guy does is trash talk and spout nonsense with 0 evidence to back anything up.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 11:44:05 AM
U asked me to unban him lol.
All the guy does is trash talk and spout nonsense with 0 evidence to back anything up.

Thems the rules,  have been for 20+yrs of this forums existence :D  Besides,  if he wasnt here,  I'd have to direct my Nazi insults to someone else.  Any volunteers?  lol  I dont know how someone like Jon can justify their continued breathing,  it must really suck to know that there isnt a single person that believes a word they say.  But someone has to be the idiot I guess lol.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 03, 2022, 12:48:02 PM
Szwagier spreading lies about the USSR like the nazi rat dog he is

The only Nazi on these forums is you.

U asked me to unban him lol.
All the guy does is trash talk and spout nonsense with 0 evidence to back anything up.


you whine a lot and are generally a huge retard that can't even hold a debate
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 12:51:04 PM
you whine a lot and are generally a huge retard that can't even hold a debate

What most sane people on these forums do is debate.  But what you do is just completely retarded, absolutely NOT debate, and to be ignored.  You're the class idiot of the forums.  Someone has to play the role I guess.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 03, 2022, 12:51:50 PM
this shit eating retard actually hunts coyotes, wtf
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 03, 2022, 12:54:30 PM
Lol. The visuals of lance getting his fatass mauled by a pack of ravenous coyotes is just too funny to ignore
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 12:58:53 PM
You havent hunted until you hunt a hunter :P  Besides,  it's a good excuse to have all the cool nightvision gear lol.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 03, 2022, 01:34:47 PM
I've seen your picture lance,  you're about as alpha as Richard Simmons with a goatee
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 03, 2022, 02:25:33 PM
The reality is that up until recently, we have all been completely disconnected from what is going on in other countries. The only information we had easy access to was the information our government gave us via our own media.


We have all been indoctrinated to believe certain things about other countries... Many of those beliefs are completely untrue, and many of them we will never know the actual truth.


Look at us right now though. People exchanging information in milliseconds with other people all over planet earth. This is new. The first time in human history where this has been possible.

I think it's important we recognize all of our governments lie to us. They lie so we will support their agenda. And their agenda is to always gain more control and more power.. often by whatever means necessary.

I think it's very important we acknowledge that the average citizen is completely innocent in all of this. Regardless of what our opinions are, they are most likely the results of decades of indoctrination and manipulation..

Our governments are the bad actors who are manipulating us to support their own agenda.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 03, 2022, 02:31:04 PM
We are all just pawns to them. Regardless of what country you live in. Our primary function is to assist them in their search for more power and control.

If they could gain power and strength without us they would just assume kill us all
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 03, 2022, 03:23:02 PM
The reality is that up until recently, we have all been completely disconnected from what is going on in other countries. The only information we had easy access to was the information our government gave us via our own media.


We have all been indoctrinated to believe certain things about other countries... Many of those beliefs are completely untrue, and many of them we will never know the actual truth.


Look at us right now though. People exchanging information in milliseconds with other people all over planet earth. This is new. The first time in human history where this has been possible.

I think it's important we recognize all of our governments lie to us. They lie so we will support their agenda. And their agenda is to always gain more control and more power.. often by whatever means necessary.
Agree 100%
I think it's very important we acknowledge that the average citizen is completely innocent in all of this. Regardless of what our opinions are, they are most likely the results of decades of indoctrination and manipulation..
Yes, exactly!
That's quite interesting for me to compare our initial data for reasoning. All of us draw the right conclusions from various source data, that's why we come to completely different results.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 03, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
You havent hunted until you hunt a hunter :P  Besides,  it's a good excuse to have all the cool nightvision gear lol.

Do you eat the coyotes?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 03, 2022, 04:59:52 PM
Do you eat the coyotes?

Nope, I give them to the local pig farmers for feed.  They grind it up or something,  idk.  The diary farmer guy pays me by the quarter dozen.  They kill his baby calves.  They also wreak havoc on the deer population.  Coyotes are an invasive species in this area and procreate faster than rabbits it seems.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 03, 2022, 05:21:39 PM
Do you eat the coyotes?

Nope, I give them to the local pig farmers for feed.  They grind it up or something,  idk.  The diary farmer guy pays me by the quarter dozen.  They kill his baby calves.  They also wreak havoc on the deer population.  Coyotes are an invasive species in this area and propagate faster than rabbits it seems.


Interesting didn’t know this was a thing.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 03, 2022, 07:42:25 PM
Now in russia you cant protest to stop war or you will go to army and fight for mother russia, can you tell me @iL  is there any country will same law?00
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 03, 2022, 10:25:19 PM
Now in russia you cant protest to stop war or you will go to army and fight for mother russia, can you tell me @iL  is there any country will same law?00

Iran, Isreal, Saudi, China, etc. I think a lot of countries don’t allow protesting in the street.
Probably not the average Russian on the streets fault this is all happening.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 04, 2022, 03:55:20 AM
Now in russia you cant protest to stop war or you will go to army and fight for mother russia, can you tell me @iL  is there any country will same law?00
Their declaration is not just "stop war". They mean "stop the Russian invasion against the Nazi regime of Ukraine".

How do you think: if someone will take to the streets in Poland with a demonstration: "Stop the war, help the Russians end the Nazi threat in Ukraine!" - what Poland government will do?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 04, 2022, 04:14:23 AM
All will laugh cause they are idiots :rofl:
Putin just said yesterday Ukraine people and russian people are same, so nazi are russia also :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 04, 2022, 10:12:22 AM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 04, 2022, 12:18:52 PM
All will laugh cause they are idiots :rofl:
Indeed, it would look absurd, like a torchlight procession of Nazis in the center of Moscow or Beijing

Putin just said yesterday Ukraine people and russian people are same, so nazi are russia also :rofl:
This is the attitude of many Russians towards the peoples of Russia and Ukraine. The Nazis are just very mentally ill people. They need to be caught and treated. You should only kill them if there is no other way out, for example, if they threaten to kill other people.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 05, 2022, 03:54:59 AM
Nazi people right now are only in russia, did you see leader of group Wagner? With nazi tattoos
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 05, 2022, 09:32:21 AM
Szwagier, If there are Nazis in Poland , then the whole country is automatically Nazis ? Stupid fat pig . Putin said that Poles do not like Russians , but they will gladly accept refugees from Ukraine . So he replied that you would shelter the same Russians, stupid psheks. It was necessary that Stalin allowed Hitler to destroy and exterminate your entire nation , since there are no dumber bastards in the whole world )
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 05, 2022, 09:34:41 AM
I will buy a two-room apartment in Kiev, inexpensive, can be repaired
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 05, 2022, 12:41:39 PM
Szwagier, If there are Nazis in Poland , then the whole country is automatically Nazis ? Stupid fat pig . Putin said that Poles do not like Russians , but they will gladly accept refugees from Ukraine . So he replied that you would shelter the same Russians, stupid psheks. It was necessary that Stalin allowed Hitler to destroy and exterminate your entire nation , since there are no dumber bastards in the whole world )

Putin said that stupid idiot, we hate you cause u are liers, u were liers, u are liers, u will be liers

you are too dumb to understand it
Soon russians people will be too poor to buy anything and thats great, since u still defene putin
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 05, 2022, 03:27:42 PM
It is impossible to close sanctions and stop trade , air travel with such a huge country as Russia . In which 40% of all natural resources are oil , gas , gold , metal , wood and more . But if we were the size of Poland , then your dreams would become reality :D Ukraine has been destroying Donbass and Lugansk for 8 years , killing children , but no one cares . You hypocrites
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 05, 2022, 08:44:06 PM
russia send weapon to ukraine in 2014, but its was only "green people" xD I knew ur idiot but didnt expect ur so big


remember who attacked mh17?
Oh right it was russia since only russia got this weapon/missle
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_17
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 05, 2022, 10:01:07 PM
A major aviation accident that occurred on April 10, 2010. The Presidential airliner Tu-154M of the Polish Air Force was flying PLF101 on the Warsaw-Smolensk route, but when landing at the Smolensk-Severny airfield in heavy fog, it collided with trees, overturned and crashed to the ground. All 96 people on board were killed - 88 passengers and 8 crew members, including Polish President Lech Kaczynski and his wife Maria Kaczynska, as well as well-known Polish politicians, almost all the high military command and public and religious figures. They flew to Russia on a private visit as a Polish delegation to mourning events on the occasion of the 70th anniversary of the Katyn shooting.
Date: April 10, 2010
____________________________
I think that all your aggression towards Russia started from this point . But believe me , Kaczynski is alive , he 's just being held hostage . When we take over Poland we will put him as our puppet
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Droid on March 06, 2022, 03:32:37 AM
Bad news — we have 50-85% dumbfucks like RusArmy in Russia now.
Good news — he's the only one on the server.

Don't even waste your time arguing with them please.

Zelya is absolutely right.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 06, 2022, 09:07:22 AM
The United States is prepared to battle Russia down to the last Ukrainian.

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Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 06, 2022, 05:40:45 PM
Headline of article is: "Russia, without evidence, says Ukraine making nuclear "dirty bomb"." --->https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-without-evidence-says-ukraine-060619443.html (https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-without-evidence-says-ukraine-060619443.html)

Does anyone know if there is any evidence to support Russia's claim?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 06, 2022, 09:49:26 PM
I feel like the U.S. is using Ukraine as a puppet. A pawn.

the u.s. can't directly fight Russia without direct threat of nuclear war.

The u.s./nato clearly want to continue their progress east towards Russia.

What better way than to gain the support of their border country Ukraine and set up a situation where you indirectly wage war.. Or get Ukraine to fight the war on your behalf?

The Western nations seemingly made the decision to funnel  weapons of war inito Ukraine to resist the Russian invasion.

They've apparently implemented extremely harsh sanctions already, cut off almost all access to global financial markets, and seem to be leaning towards dealing a final economic blow to russia.. stop buying oil/gas.

I'm not happy to say it... But i think we're closer to nuclear war today than we were last week.

I'd put the probability of a nuclear conflict closer to 30% to day. probably 10% or less last week.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 07, 2022, 09:10:46 AM
I feel like the U.S. is using Ukraine as a puppet. A pawn.

the u.s. can't directly fight Russia without direct threat of nuclear war.

The u.s./nato clearly want to continue their progress east towards Russia.

What better way than to gain the support of their border country Ukraine and set up a situation where you indirectly wage war.. Or get Ukraine to fight the war on your behalf?

The Western nations seemingly made the decision to funnel  weapons of war inito Ukraine to resist the Russian invasion.

They've apparently implemented extremely harsh sanctions already, cut off almost all access to global financial markets, and seem to be leaning towards dealing a final economic blow to russia.. stop buying oil/gas.

I'm not happy to say it... But i think we're closer to nuclear war today than we were last week.

I'd put the probability of a nuclear conflict closer to 30% to day. probably 10% or less last week.
I mean most of this is definitely correct, until you get to the 30% chance of nukes.  That seems extremely high when NATO has said they're not getting directly involved.  The innocent folks at NATO simply want to turn Ukraine into Russia's Iraq war, that's all.  (Hope the Ukrainians don't mind!)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 07, 2022, 12:52:40 PM
The west is increasingly pushing Putin into a tighter corner. Seemingly constantly adding more pressure.

We are intentionally trying to collapse the entire Russian economy. That will directly impact china and other Russian allies.

I think it's highly unlikely the US initiates a nuclear war.. but with all of these sanctions and military support to Ukraine, we are already committing acts of war.

I'm increasingly seeing a scenario where Russia gets support from its allies to wage a full scale war against Western Nations.. which would almost definitely include nuclear weapons.

That's where the 30% is coming from in my mind. Still relatively low.. but we are poking a bear that has the ability to bite back.. especially if it's other bear buddies defend him
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 07, 2022, 02:13:27 PM
lot of these sanctions and stuff hurt the russian people more than the government. it feels like an attack on the russian people.

visa and mastercard stopped working in russia, so russia now uses unionpay (china). u.s hegemony eroding.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 07, 2022, 04:31:19 PM
The only power any government has is the power the people give it.

So I agree that initially it's going to hurt the Russian people. But it probably won't take long for the Russian people to start playing the blame game if they have to endure too many hardships.

That's when people start waging war against their own government.

The easiest way to prevent something like that happening is by unifying the nation by declaring a common enemy.

This is why the bloodiest wars are often fought during economic turmoil.

The closer we get to a global recession or depression, the more eager everybody will be to place blame on somebody else, which will likely result in war.. and if citizens from different nations are collectively feeling the hardships, the more likely multiple nations are to wage war against each other

This could potentially be an extremely frightening time in human history
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 07, 2022, 04:32:32 PM
Fear, anger, desperation... Insanely powerful emotions. And everybody feels them.. from the poorest of poor to the richest of rich.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 07, 2022, 08:07:23 PM
This is good news. The requests seem very appropriate. Let's see how Ukraine/west respond.

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-115703035.html
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 07, 2022, 08:36:02 PM
This is good news. The requests seem very appropriate. Let's see how Ukraine/west respond.

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-115703035.html
This is nothing.
This is what they repeated last 8 years. Except "change its constitution to enshrine neutrality". That's a new condition.
This is what Ukraine never did and will never do.

I'm a little confused: if Urkaine will accept all these conditions, what Russia will do? Just stop the operation and move all the the military out?
Will look extremely stupid, as Putin considers they will just ignore all these conditions after they sign that.
Except to "Ukraine cease military action". That's not possible i think. Nobody can stop them now. Even temporary, as a trick.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 07, 2022, 08:57:45 PM
Let's see how Ukraine/west respond.

Regardless of whatever it says,  the word "demands" means that it should be completely ignored.  When you attempt to dictate what someone else should or should not do, then it's time that you go ignored.  You can ASK someone to do something,  but if you demand it,  you deserve to get your face beat in,  or worse.  The only exceptions to this rule are parenting.  Russian military personnel are learning this the hard way.  Whether that lesson propagates to it's insane leader is yet to be seen.  Putin's mental stability has deteriorated far beyond what is required for leading a country,  the same can be said for Biden.  They are both completely unfit for office, mostly due to their age and the inevitable mental decline at those ages.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 07, 2022, 09:42:40 PM
i didnt see putin demanding anything.

he offered conditions that he would like met if military operations are to seize.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 08, 2022, 02:12:37 AM
What are the conditions?  ::)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 08, 2022, 05:35:17 AM
Tk , yo my niga .  BLM! Do you really think that Russia can be killed by sanctions? )) Look at how much gas and oil costs now . It is faster for the European people and Americans to get angry at their government because of such tower prices. It doesn 't work , my friend . And if the USA starts a war , then you will never win and will be destroyed along with Europe . Do you need it ? Soon most of the sanctions will be lifted , because it will not be worse for Russia , but for you . Noob
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 08, 2022, 05:39:16 AM
When Russian disabled people are banned from performing at the Paralympics and cats are not allowed to compete :D What can we talk about here ? Rotten America and rotten Europe will fall at Russia's feet more than once for their actions and hypocrisy :sweat:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 08, 2022, 08:07:05 AM
When Russian disabled people are banned from performing at the Paralympics and cats are not allowed to compete :D What can we talk about here ? Rotten America and rotten Europe will fall at Russia's feet more than once for their actions and hypocrisy :sweat:

Only thing Americans will get mad about is the lack of good vodka and that’s it. 🧐
Unsure if that’s enough to make us think twice about Russia.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 08, 2022, 09:00:40 AM
Yes , we don 't have a huge inventory turnover with you . Europe will suffer the most , which , like faithful dogs , listens to the commands of the USA . Karma will get Americans sooner or later))
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 09:06:18 AM
The only power any government has is the power the people give it.

So I agree that initially it's going to hurt the Russian people. But it probably won't take long for the Russian people to start playing the blame game if they have to endure too many hardships.

That's when people start waging war against their own government.
never happens.  US has been blockading cuba for 60 years.  US has had a tightening noose of sanctions on venezuela for the last decade.  US has been starving iran (after US quit the deal under trump at no fault of iran's), syria and now afghanistan.  None of these governments have fallen.  I know your post continued on in another direction about uniting people against the other but i am just saying, the history of sanctions is simply that people have just suffered under the existing regimes, all the time
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 09:08:13 AM
When Russian disabled people are banned from performing at the Paralympics and cats are not allowed to compete :D What can we talk about here ? Rotten America and rotten Europe will fall at Russia's feet more than once for their actions and hypocrisy :sweat:

Only thing Americans will get mad about is the lack of good vodka and that’s it. 🧐
Unsure if that’s enough to make us think twice about Russia.
lol wrong, americans cry about gas prices all the time.  the US is apparently moving to ban oil imports from russia, lets see what happens.  biden administration is already frantically calling up iran and venezuela trying to strike deals with them to release more oil after having tried restrict theri sales and topple their governmetns for the last several years
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 08, 2022, 12:07:19 PM
What are the conditions?  ::)


stop being lapdog of u.s
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 12:13:11 PM

lol.  Need to make a megathread about the nazi situation in ukraine.  Here is nato supplying advanced weaponry directly to Nazis
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 08, 2022, 12:45:22 PM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 08, 2022, 01:14:30 PM
Russia is not Cuba or Iran . Stop air communication with Russia , try to fly around it now xD stop buying oil and gas from it , try now to keep prices , as well as metals , wood . The USA will break its teeth and Europe even more so .
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 08, 2022, 01:49:37 PM
i didnt see putin demanding anything.

he offered conditions that he would like met if military operations are to seize.

So,  if I come to your house,  beat you over the head with a bat and then lay a set of "conditions" in front of you to get me to stop beating the fuck out of you,  what would you call them?  I'd call them DEMANDS.  Again,  anyone demanding anything from anyone else forcefully rather than ASKING in a civilized manor completely deserves to get their face beat in or worse.  The point still stands,  demands only belong in parenting and absolutely nothing else.

The Russian military personnel are learning this the hard way.  If they dont have the brains or courage to desert/surrender,  then they deserve to get their face bashed in for trying to demand something of the people they are attacking.

This war only ends 1 way.  With the untimely death of Putin which will need to come from someone within his inner circle.  Bending to his demands will only lead to MORE demands.  It will likely be demands of other countries like Poland, the baltics, and eventually the whole of europe,  we've seen this before,  history likes to repeat itself when lessons learned fade away.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 02:18:07 PM
I don't see reason to think Russia would abandon its current plans just because Putin was taken out of the picture.  It can end another way, with Russia capturing the entire southern border and then advancing on Kiev, leading to Ukraine agreeing to terms accepted by Russia.  It can also end a third way, with Russia's advances stalling or with a prolonged insurgency that convinces Russia to withdraw, agreeing to terms accepted by Ukraine.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 08, 2022, 02:36:27 PM
It is a pity that America has not been punished for the huge number of wars that it has unleashed , staged genocide and exterminated millions of people . It's funny to read Americans saying that Russia needs to be punished. The time will come and your puppets will go against you .. and I will mix the USA with shit, deservedly.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 04:30:22 PM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 08, 2022, 05:04:22 PM
Quote
President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on special measures in the field of foreign economic activity to ensure Russia's security.

The Head of State instructed to establish a ban on the export of certain products and raw materials outside the country by the end of the year, the list of which will be determined by the government.

"In order to ensure the safety and smooth functioning of the industry, I decree... To ensure the application of the following special economic measures by December 31, 2022"

Looks like Putin is raising the stakes.
Things become to be serious...
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 08, 2022, 06:40:52 PM
I don't think Putin calculated private western  companies waging war against Russia as well.

SpaceX, McDonald's, visa, Netflix, Mastercard, apple... Many others.

Western nations are going to collapse the entire Russian economy. Completely collapse it.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 08, 2022, 06:42:42 PM
Russia will be the most poor nation on planet earth if he doesn't retreat, or if Russia, china, and others don't wage a wold war and win it.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 08, 2022, 07:31:21 PM

L
I don't think Putin calculated private western  companies waging war against Russia as well.

SpaceX, McDonald's, visa, Netflix, Mastercard, apple... Many others.

Western nations are going to collapse the entire Russian economy. Completely collapse it.
No spacex or Netflix or mcdonalds… my god  :rofl:

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Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 08, 2022, 08:24:39 PM
SpaceX is probably the biggest deal of all of them. Had the biggest impact. Gave the people of Ukraine the ability to communicate with the rest of the world. Post pictures. Videos. Made the invasion real for the rest of the Western nations.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 08, 2022, 08:25:28 PM
Elon has a vendetta against russia
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 08, 2022, 08:41:55 PM
SpaceX is probably the biggest deal of all of them. Had the biggest impact. Gave the people of Ukraine the ability to communicate with the rest of the world. Post pictures. Videos. Made the invasion real for the rest of the Western nations.

In the otherside of the coin, Elon also blocked access from Russia, which essentially cuts them off from the rest of the world.  Giving dishes to Ukrainians was the right move, but blocking Russians was a mistake.  Just makes it harder for them to get information thats NOT provided by their shitty state controlled media.  Cutting off Russians access to information from the rest of the world like North Korea is a REALLY bad plan.  It's also the same reason I've been campaigning at my day job to NOT support cutting the 5 backbones into Russia or geofencing them which in turn would turn them into another North Korea.  The reason given for cutting them is to protect from DDOS attacks originating from Russia.  It's a weak excuse and pales in comparison to giving Russian people information they need to see IMO.

In other news,  this one was funny.  Check out #10 haha

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 09, 2022, 03:33:08 AM
I don't think Putin calculated private western  companies waging war against Russia as well.

SpaceX, McDonald's, visa, Netflix, Mastercard, apple... Many others.
Pretty sure he did.

Import substitution is that Putin was talking about last 8 years, since Crimea.
Visa, Mastercard processing centers for Russia are moved to Russia. Now they tell us Visa and Mastercard will keep work in Russia, for russian operations only. Not working outside.
Also integration with chinese payment systems kept enforcing last 8 years. Should go much faster now...

Facebook is an example Russia began asking for an exit last days. Facebook, twitter, instagram have some problems is Russia last days. Works much better via USA VPN as for me. And they say that is action from russian side.

Quite possible Russia will follow the way of China: The Great Firewall of China and same for Russia.

The most interesting question for me is what they announce about "a ban on the export of certain products and raw materials outside the country".
Putin usually do what he announces before.

Another interesting question is Taiwan. Looks like something is going to happen there...
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 09, 2022, 07:17:28 AM
Russia will be the most poor nation on planet earth if he doesn't retreat, or if Russia, china, and others don't wage a wold war and win it.
How can you be so stupid ? Or is this your schizophrenic dream ? The USA will become the poorest country faster than Russia . Because America has nothing , not even shale gas , stolen European gold in storage and a dollar bill that in fact costs nothing . The whole world does not hold on to America , we have huge markets for China and India , Turkey and other countries . You have fallen in my eyes as a player and as a person , TK ass
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Droid on March 09, 2022, 09:31:46 AM
I don't think Putin calculated private western  companies waging war against Russia as well.
Of course he didn't. He seemed to believe in his own propaganda (or maybe just crazy for real). His army was the strongest from his point of view. In fact RusArmy acted just like our alternatively gifted user with the same name.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 09, 2022, 09:44:23 AM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 09, 2022, 11:37:46 AM
LMFAO,  wasnt there someone here who had chickens at one time?  He better go hide his chickens!  haha

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 09, 2022, 11:58:10 AM
Well,  so much for the "He didnt use conscripts" claim.  His own defense minister just admitted that they did (I wonder how long he'll live now lol).  But that was already known by the rest of the world anyway.  It makes up about 70% of the invasion force.  It also explains why the PoWs in a video I posted here a week ago looked like my 20yr old nephew,  they did not look like veteran military guys to me at all (which are usually 28-35yo or older).  They still havent admitted that they make up the majority yet,  but that will become undeniable in the coming future as more of them end up as PoWs and corpses recovered by Ukrainians (those recovered by Russian military are incinerated on the spot).  Now you know why Russian units are carrying around Mobile Incinerator units.  It's an attempt to hide the truth,  not of body count as previously claimed,  but of body age.  Pretty hard to gauge the age of something that has been incinerated.  It's not impossible to gauge body count based on size of ash piles though.

Putin using conscripts is like you trying to rape someone's ogies with just peons.  Its not going to end well.  I still dont see the logic in having done that,  but facts are facts,  he did.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 09, 2022, 03:06:00 PM
Russia will be the most poor nation on planet earth if he doesn't retreat, or if Russia, china, and others don't wage a wold war and win it.
How can you be so stupid ? Or is this your schizophrenic dream ? The USA will become the poorest country faster than Russia . Because America has nothing , not even shale gas , stolen European gold in storage and a dollar bill that in fact costs nothing . The whole world does not hold on to America , we have huge markets for China and India , Turkey and other countries . You have fallen in my eyes as a player and as a person , TK ass

who might you be.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 09, 2022, 03:07:08 PM
im the same shitty person i've always been btw. as far as my playing goes, im drinking (often borderline drunk) and high every time i log on

if i played sober it wouldnt be fair.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 09, 2022, 04:19:10 PM
I don't think Putin calculated private western  companies waging war against Russia as well.
Of course he didn't. He seemed to believe in his own propaganda (or maybe just crazy for real). His army was the strongest from his point of view. In fact RusArmy acted just like our alternatively gifted user with the same name.
Do you think that Russia has a weak army ? And this is said by a person living in Russia . Lick the ass of the Americans more , though you still won 't be your own for them , you will forever remain a stupid drunk Russian with a balalaika and a second - rate person for them .
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 09, 2022, 05:13:28 PM
Who might you be?

I don't have any interest in having a long conversation with a troll account if that's what's going on
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on March 09, 2022, 06:04:02 PM
It also explains why the PoWs in a video I posted here a week ago looked like my 20yr old nephew,  they did not look like veteran military guys to me at all (which are usually 28-35yo or older).
Yes, Putin looks stupid here. I thought he said truth and that was ukrainian fake.

Putin looks very angry at his military leaders who made an idiot of him. As he told, he gave an order to categorically exclude the involvement of conscripts to perform any tasks on the territory of Ukraine.
Now they say: "one of the units performing the tasks of providing the rear was attacked", "A number of servicemen, including conscripts, were captured".

Looks like a mistake of the commanders, otherwise why would he say that there are no conscripts?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 09, 2022, 07:03:41 PM
Looks like a mistake of the commanders, otherwise why would he say that there are no conscripts?

Yep, someone DEFINATELY fucked up sending in the peons to do an ogies work.  Whether that was Putin or someone under him, we'll never know,  he will make sure of that.  But it really doesnt matter since he's the man in charge and he will have to take the blame.  Personally,  I do think it was his decision.  He believe he grossly under estimated the Ukrainian will to resist and didnt want to put his best units in harms way needlessly.  Big mistake.

What we will see is a scapegoat.  Putin placing the blame on someone else,  trying to shift it away from himself (all politicians do this,  Biden is the biggest one of them all, nothing is ever his fault according to him,  fuckin jackwad).  But that's wrong because even if he DIDNT make this decision,  he had PLENTY of knowledge or access to information to know that this is what was going down and which units were in use.  He is after all,  the guy in charge and the boss always takes the blame even if it wasnt their doing.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 09, 2022, 07:36:25 PM
Who might you be?

I don't have any interest in having a long conversation with a troll account if that's what's going on

He’s RusArmy.
I will say Rus I don’t know many players that talk highly of your war2 skills.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 09, 2022, 08:26:24 PM
Good interview. Dont agree with everything, but interested in all opinions.. I watched it on 1.5x speed because it's long otherwise.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 09, 2022, 08:41:42 PM
Putin threatens 15 years in prison for anyone spreading "Fake news" regarding the war in ukraine.

Shitty.

Impossible to have intelligent discussion with Russians when they are not allowed to discuss their beliefs freely.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 09, 2022, 10:32:12 PM
lol lance posting propaganda  from ukraine nazis official twitter account  :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 09, 2022, 10:34:21 PM
Putin threatens 15 years in prison for anyone spreading "Fake news" regarding the war in ukraine.

Shitty.

Impossible to have intelligent discussion with Russians when they are not allowed to discuss their beliefs freely.


 czech republic   said they will execute you for supporting russia.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 10, 2022, 02:10:38 AM
Well if it meant you are removed of the ability to steal oxygen from us actual humans since you're a complete waste of meat,  then yes.  I'd be all for executing Jon.  Jon sure as shit doesnt have the fucking balls to volunteer to fight for his country thats for sure or he'd be sending us all selfies of him in his bad ass tank chasing Ukrainians chickens because his own unit cant feed itself.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 10, 2022, 05:56:09 PM
What are the conditions?  ::)



stop being lapdog of u.s

Me or Australia?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 10, 2022, 05:58:38 PM

lol.  Need to make a megathread about the nazi situation in ukraine.  Here is nato supplying advanced weaponry directly to Nazis

Why are you surprised far-right nationalist extremists would be first to sign up to defend their country?  "ERMAGAHHHD, PRO-NAZIS ARE DEFENDING THE NATION!"  -Twitter
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 10, 2022, 08:31:25 PM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 10, 2022, 08:51:19 PM

lol.  Need to make a megathread about the nazi situation in ukraine.  Here is nato supplying advanced weaponry directly to Nazis

Why are you surprised far-right nationalist extremists would be first to sign up to defend their country?  "ERMAGAHHHD, PRO-NAZIS ARE DEFENDING THE NATION!"  -Twitter
The point is NATO is directly arming and training literal Nazis. That is a bad thing to do and those are bad people who should be destroyed. Also seems like it might have very bad repercussions when this is all over. Empowering the most fanatical psychopaths to use as proxies, hmm… Imagine when the fight with Russia is done and actual Nazis are the most powerful armed faction in Ukraine. Last time those guys had some power they murdered 100,000 Poles. Then there was that Hitler guy… so ERMAGAHHHD.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 10, 2022, 10:01:34 PM
What are the conditions?  ::)



stop being lapdog of u.s

Me or Australia?



ukraine 

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 10, 2022, 10:11:32 PM

lol.  Need to make a megathread about the nazi situation in ukraine.  Here is nato supplying advanced weaponry directly to Nazis

Why are you surprised far-right nationalist extremists would be first to sign up to defend their country?  "ERMAGAHHHD, PRO-NAZIS ARE DEFENDING THE NATION!"  -Twitter
The point is NATO is directly arming and training literal Nazis. That is a bad thing to do and those are bad people who should be destroyed. Also seems like it might have very bad repercussions when this is all over. Empowering the most fanatical psychopaths to use as proxies, hmm… Imagine when the fight with Russia is done and actual Nazis are the most powerful armed faction in Ukraine. Last time those guys had some power they murdered 100,000 Poles. Then there was that Hitler guy… so ERMAGAHHHD.
confused, do u think nato's directive is to enrich nazism in ukraine to breed a new hitler? seems a little dramatic. 

u can still be socialist and disapprove of putin's intention of reforming the ussr by bombing hospitals and intentionally killing civilians. the guy is a nutjob, what's everyone's take on his anti-assassination table? holy shit, another paranoid dictator... much like that Hitler guy.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 10, 2022, 10:30:51 PM
nazis aren't protecting their country, they put it in harm. they're one reason russia is in their country. ukraine needs denazification.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: woofy on March 10, 2022, 10:39:49 PM
nazis aren't protecting their country, they put it in harm. they're one reason russia is in their country. ukraine needs denazification.
this is only the viewpoint of putin. the whole world needs denazification, where is putin? his objective is to reform the ussr, and it's no secret. history is being written right now and it's looking grim for putin, his cronies, and his followers. 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 10, 2022, 10:39:58 PM
nato's intention has been to encircle and trap russia.  to do so they brought the baltics (estonia, latvia, lithuania) into nato in the 2004, they supported a successful coup in ukraine in 2014 and attempted a coup in belarus in 2020. 

(https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/20031025/CSF986.gif)

now check out russia's western border in the above.  people usually arent just doing things because theyre "nutjobs."  russia struck ukraine to try to bring it back from the west, and because the russian populations in the east have been in a low level civil war with the rest of the country for years now.  for the security of the russian state, they do not want their western border surrounded by an enemy military alliance.  russia is not actually attempting to "reform the USSR" and thats propaganda.


since at least 2014, the west has been using far right ukrainian nationalists as a proxy tool to separate the country from russian influence.  now they are arming and training them directly to fight the russians.  they use these people because they are a useful and enthusiastic tool against russia.  the problem with that is that theyre nazis.  no, im not saying nato's "directive" is to make a new hitler.  i am saying working arm-in-arm with nazis is bad, and nato doesnt care because they're only focused on their goal of countering russia and these guys will fight to the death. 

this is a bad tactic because #1 nazis are the worst, if youre working with nazis to fight your war then you have no moral high ground.  #2 because racist nazi trash having power is going to be really bad for local minority populations (jews, immigrants, etc) and neighboring countries, and #3 blowback.  like, how did pumping up the mujahideen in afghanistan go?  it led to 9/11.  far right nationalist extremists defending their country... turned into isis. 
these nazis in ukraine are probably already now the most potent military force in the country thanks to the mutual eagerness of themselves and nato.  unless russia crushes them.... theyre gonna dominate the ukrainian military and political landscape postwar.  That is BAD
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 10, 2022, 10:54:07 PM
nazis aren't protecting their country, they put it in harm. they're one reason russia is in their country. ukraine needs denazification.
this is only the viewpoint of putin. the whole world needs denazification, where is putin? his objective is to reform the ussr, and it's no secret. history is being written right now and it's looking grim for putin, his cronies, and his followers. 

the problem is nazis in ukraine are embedded in power and have lots of influence. they're  not just some random nazis on the street.
and no it's not the viewpoint of Putin...
western media was covering nazis in ukraine for years..
can't embed vidoes on these dumb forums anymore, you can go to youtube and type ukraine nazis and find vice and bbc documentaries from years ago.


Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 11, 2022, 01:20:04 AM
Cant do youtube?  Seems to work for me.

Also looks like Russia should be dealing with Nazis (Such as you Jon, since you are after all,  a Nazi)  in their own country first before worrying about other country's problems.  Remember when I said there were Nazis right in Moscow.  Well,  that's nothing new as you're proof of that but there's also this video from 2004 and it talks about just that.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 11, 2022, 04:53:38 AM
Man you guys make me laugh 😂😂 😂

You socialists and communists would be raking in the $$$ if you redirected your time thinking about things that made actual money.
But I guess hypothesizing about Russian and NATO war games is more fun.

GL HF crew! 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 11, 2022, 04:57:29 AM
nato's intention has been to encircle and trap russia.  to do so they brought the baltics (estonia, latvia, lithuania) into nato in the 2004, they supported a successful coup in ukraine in 2014 and attempted a coup in belarus in 2020. 

(https://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/cf_images/20031025/CSF986.gif)

now check out russia's western border in the above.  people usually arent just doing things because theyre "nutjobs."  russia struck ukraine to try to bring it back from the west, and because the russian populations in the east have been in a low level civil war with the rest of the country for years now.  for the security of the russian state, they do not want their western border surrounded by an enemy military alliance.  russia is not actually attempting to "reform the USSR" and thats propaganda.


since at least 2014, the west has been using far right ukrainian nationalists as a proxy tool to separate the country from russian influence.  now they are arming and training them directly to fight the russians.  they use these people because they are a useful and enthusiastic tool against russia.  the problem with that is that theyre nazis.  no, im not saying nato's "directive" is to make a new hitler.  i am saying working arm-in-arm with nazis is bad, and nato doesnt care because they're only focused on their goal of countering russia and these guys will fight to the death. 

this is a bad tactic because #1 nazis are the worst, if youre working with nazis to fight your war then you have no moral high ground.  #2 because racist nazi trash having power is going to be really bad for local minority populations (jews, immigrants, etc) and neighboring countries, and #3 blowback.  like, how did pumping up the mujahideen in afghanistan go?  it led to 9/11.  far right nationalist extremists defending their country... turned into isis. 
these nazis in ukraine are probably already now the most potent military force in the country thanks to the mutual eagerness of themselves and nato.  unless russia crushes them.... theyre gonna dominate the ukrainian military and political landscape postwar.  That is BAD



I’ve heard you mention the term “nazis” a lot not just here in this thread but in other threads over the years.
Would you be able to explain what this label “Nazi” actually is? Or who the Nazis actually are and what their beliefs are?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 11, 2022, 08:01:40 AM
Cant do youtube?  Seems to work for me.

Also looks like Russia should be dealing with Nazis (Such as you Jon, since you are after all,  a Nazi)  in their own country first before worrying about other country's problems.  Remember when I said there were Nazis right in Moscow.  Well,  that's nothing new as you're proof of that but there's also this video from 2004 and it talks about just that.


Nazis existing is not the same as an explicitly Nazi military division being armed to the teeth with sophisticated weapons of war.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 11, 2022, 10:34:11 AM
Nazis existing is not the same as an explicitly Nazi military division being armed to the teeth with sophisticated weapons of war.

Oh,  you mean like the terrorist Chechen units (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadyrovites) that Russia has?  BOTH sides have armed extremist groups and Russia is even bringing in the Syrian terrorists.  Therefore the whole argument of "they have a dedicated Nazi unit" is completely invalidated because Russia also arms extremist groups.  Neither side should have either of these dedicated units,  but that's not reality.  The reality is that Russia is the invasive species and that cannot be debated.  Therefore it's well within Ukraine's rights to defend itself by any means necessary which would include matching military arsenals such as extremist groups.  For example,  when you talk about nuclear war,  it's never in the context that only 1 side will use them.  It's discussed as MUTUAL destruction which means BOTH sides will use these absurd weapons that really shouldnt exist.  But this is reality and they DO exist.

Once the war is over,  THEN it will be time to discuss whether these Nazi AND Chechen Jihadist terrorist units are still needed or not.  But I dont think greasing bullets with pig lard rises to the level of inhumane activity,  it's just a symbolic gesture that the receiver likely wont even be aware of anyway and would feel no different than if the led wasnt greased.  If those units can be proven to have done something inhumane or considered as a war crime,  then they can be prosecuted after the war is over.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 11, 2022, 12:00:11 PM
so when the war is over zelensky or whoever will just politely ask the nazis, who have grenade launchers and who knows what else, to disband?  to come in for a trial?  not sure if that will fit within the goals of the nazis who are sure to have ideas of their own and are in a far more powerful position than a chechen goon squad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_on_Fire
youtube.com/watch?v=2AKpsBF-bvo
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 11, 2022, 12:07:00 PM
those Chechens own
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 11, 2022, 12:10:00 PM
i wonder what cbuh is up to.  anyone know? Hopefully not at war!
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 11, 2022, 12:27:39 PM
so when the war is over zelensky or whoever will just politely ask the nazis, who have grenade launchers and who knows what else, to disband? 

Well the same can be asked about the Chechen terrorist unit.  Were they held accountable for all the inhumane shit they did like rape, torture, and war trophy stealing?  I think not.

See, you cant call the kettle black when the pot itself is also black.  It doesnt work that way.  The whole "denazification" bullshit excuse for an invasion is just that,  complete and utter bullshit because there are more Nazis IN Russia itself than any other part of the world.  Like right there in Moscow,  they have beat and killed people without repercussions,  even won "elections" if you want to call it that.

The point is that BOTH sides have completely psychotic killers,  so they have no business complaining about each other's extremist units.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 11, 2022, 01:07:48 PM
Almost 450 extremists from various nationalities arrive to Idlib to fight against Russian troops, after leaving Syria and passing through Turkey.

Relatives of extremists that have arrived in Ukraine told Sputnik that senior fighters from terrorist group Hayat Tahrir al-Sham (the rebranded version of Jabhat Al-Nusra, i.e Al-Qaeda) have held a number of meetings with senior leaders in the Turkistan Islamic Party group and Ansar Al-Tawhid and Hurras al-Din groups, and agreed on allowing a number of all their fighters to enter Ukraine through Turkish soil.

https://english.almayadeen.net/news/politics/450-arab-and-foreign-extremists-from-idlib-arrive-in-ukraine

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 11, 2022, 01:40:17 PM
Almost 450 extremists from various nationalities arrive to Idlib to fight against Russian troops, after leaving Syria and passing through Turkey.

This doesnt surprise me at all since Russia is doing the EXACT same thing by bringing in it's own Syrian mercenaries.  Using Enemies of Enemies in your favor has been a wartime strategy since the dawn of time.  So it doesnt surprise me one bit that the Ukrainians were able to find other Syrians who would jump at the chance to attack their Syrian enemies using more modern equipment that the Ukrainians have.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 11, 2022, 01:48:58 PM

US suddenly ominously talking about chemical weapons, not good
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 11, 2022, 02:02:48 PM
Almost 450 extremists from various nationalities arrive to Idlib to fight against Russian troops, after leaving Syria and passing through Turkey.

This doesnt surprise me at all since Russia is doing the EXACT same thing by bringing in it's own Syrian mercenaries.  Using Enemies of Enemies in your favor has been a wartime strategy since the dawn of time.  So it doesnt surprise me one bit that the Ukrainians were able to find other Syrians who would jump at the chance to attack their Syrian enemies using more modern equipment that the Ukrainians have.


how is an anti-muslim nazi group going to fight together with islam fundamentalists is my question 🤣
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 11, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
how is an anti-muslim nazi group going to fight together with islam fundamentalists is my question

Simple.  Just look up history and you'll discover how that's done.  It's easier than you think.  When your enemy has a MUTUAL enemy,  you're enemy suddenly becomes a TEMPORARY ally.  That's happened 10000s of times through out all of human history,  including the last 30 years where it's happened many times.  Your own Nazi party did it in WW2 when they invaded Poland together with the Russians.  Then your Nazi party invaded Russia.  Lucky for us,  Nazis are generally extremely stupid (as proven by your own IQ of being less than that of a rock).

US suddenly ominously talking about chemical weapons, not good

Anything Biden says is just an outright LIE and Putin knows it.  Putin doesnt give two shits what Biden says,  nor should he.  Biden is a fucking pussy and literally lies about anything and everything.  There's a reason why Putin waited to invade Ukraine.  If he had done it with Trump in office,  he'd have started WW3 for sure because Trump wouldnt hesitate to help the Ukrainians with what they truly need which is military hardware, including air hardware because he's not a weak appeaser like Biden.  Putin knew this which is why he didnt invade.  He only invades when there are weak appeasers in office such as Biden now and when he was VP with another fuckin appeaser pussy of a pres,  Obama.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 13, 2022, 01:28:42 PM
i wonder what cbuh is up to.  anyone know? Hopefully not at war!
CBUH has now moved back to live in Crimea looking for Moscow , got married and is happily spending time drinking a cocktail on the Black Sea coast .  Thanks to Blind for an adequate opinion about the war and Russia .
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 13, 2022, 03:58:37 PM
denazify ukraine, u.s puppet state
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 15, 2022, 03:22:17 AM
NATO may reconsider its decision not to interfere in military operations in Ukraine if Russia uses weapons of mass destruction, Polish President Andrzej Duda said in an interview with the BBC.

"If you ask me, can [Russian President Vladimir] If Putin uses chemical weapons, then I think Putin can use anything now, especially in such a difficult situation," Duda said.

According to Duda, everyone hopes that it will not come to chemical weapons. "But <...> if he uses weapons of mass destruction, it will change everything," the Polish president believes. According to him, in this case, NATO "will have to sit down at the table and really think seriously about what to do," because then the danger will threaten the whole world.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview with Die Welt newspaper said that after the statements of the Russian Defense Ministry about American biological laboratories in Ukraine, the West should be on the alert, because "perhaps Russia itself is planning operations with chemical weapons.
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Is this jerk ready to sacrifice Poland?) Guys want to fight
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 15, 2022, 09:35:52 AM
Because Russia says there are biolabs in Ukraine, we therefore highly suspect they are planning to use chemical weapons?  This is what western sources have been shouting for days.  It doesn't even make sense.  What does one have to do with the other? 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 15, 2022, 09:36:27 AM
There's a reason why Putin waited to invade Ukraine.  If he had done it with Trump in office,  he'd have started WW3 for sure because Trump wouldnt hesitate to help the Ukrainians with what they truly need which is military hardware, including air hardware because he's not a weak appeaser like Biden. 
So you're saying Trump would have started WW3, which is... good somehow?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 15, 2022, 09:43:26 AM
denazify ukraine, u.s puppet state
The reason I don't just cheerlead for Russia is because the Russian communists (the few that actually exist) and the Russian left is mostly against this war.  Like, for good reason, it's causing death and destruction on both sides, it's alienating Ukrainians that had been more sympathetic to Russia, it's causing economic suffering in Russia (and we can decry the sanctions but Russia knew they'd be coming and chose this anyway).  Like, yes, I think the west instigated this and has been pressing in on Russia's borders for years despite all the warnings this would happen, and I think Ukraine has a big nazi problem, and all that.  But Russia invading their neighbor is not just "good" or anything like that
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 15, 2022, 11:32:22 AM

ukraine back at it.  Nazis
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 15, 2022, 01:04:43 PM
So you're saying Trump would have started WW3, which is... good somehow?

Yes absolutely,  and thats EXACTLY why Putin DIDNT invade.  He knew he wouldnt be able to get away with it.  That's called a STRONG leader that actually has a deterrence factor.  Not a fucking weak sorry excuse for a pile of useless skin molecules like Biden and Obama that just lets dictators take whatever the fuck they want.

As a wiseman once said:

“Let me tell you something you already know. The world ain't all sunshine and rainbows. It's a very mean and nasty place and I don't care how tough you are it will beat you to your knees and keep you there permanently if you let it.”

― Sylvester Stallone, Rocky Balboa

Right now, Biden is letting Putin beat people to their knees and keep them there permanently because he like his party predecessor Obama, he too is to weak to fight back.  Zelenski on the otherhand,  now THAT man is a fucking leader.  As far as leadership and strength, he outclasses Putin, Biden, and Obama COMBINED.  The Russian military isnt all it's cracked up to be.  The only foot they have to stand on are the nukes and chemical weapons that they have that can barely hit the broad side of a planet.  Conventionally,  they are trash compared to China or the US as is being proven in Ukraine right now by getting their asses handed to them by a rag tag team of farmers with tractors hauling away their tanks and armored vehicles.  However, having tanks hauled off by tractors is not as embarrassing as just handing over BILLIONS in military hardware for free like Biden did though.  That was just mindblowing.  I dont get how any homosapien species animal could be that stupid and still make it past birth without killing themselves.  I've seen bonobos with more common sense than that and they are among some of the least intelligent primates.


BTW,  Take notice of Putin's retaliatory "Sanctions list" that names specific people that he is sanctioning.  Notice how it lists Hunter but not Biden's other 3 kids,  it lists the Clintons but not Trump.  These are all CORRUPT people that Putin has something that he can take away from them.  So his list should actually be a list that the US uses for investigations into why Russia has things that they can take away (bank accounts and corrupt payments comes to mind).  These are the people that should immediately be removed from office.  So I'm down with Putin and letting him sanction these people and remove them from office/job.  Americans should thank him for providing a list of corrupt officials that have been dealing with Russia behind closed doors.

The individuals included on the list are President Biden, Hunter Biden, Clinton, Secretary of State Antony Blinken, Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin, national security adviser Jake Sullivan, CIA Director William Burns, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Gen. Mark Milley, White House press secretary Jen Psaki, deputy assistant national security adviser Duleep Singh, Director of the Agency for International Development Samantha Power, Deputy Treasury Secretary Adewale Adeyemo  and president and chairman of the Export-Import Bank Reta Joe Lewis.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 15, 2022, 06:09:04 PM
LOL,  "And thats the end of it!"  LMFAO,  this chick needs to be president :D

https://www.tiktok.com/@nunyabeezwaxes/video/7075451740082015531 (https://www.tiktok.com/@nunyabeezwaxes/video/7075451740082015531)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 15, 2022, 10:59:38 PM
denazify ukraine, u.s puppet state
The reason I don't just cheerlead for Russia is because the Russian communists (the few that actually exist) and the Russian left is mostly against this war.  Like, for good reason, it's causing death and destruction on both sides, it's alienating Ukrainians that had been more sympathetic to Russia, it's causing economic suffering in Russia (and we can decry the sanctions but Russia knew they'd be coming and chose this anyway).  Like, yes, I think the west instigated this and has been pressing in on Russia's borders for years despite all the warnings this would happen, and I think Ukraine has a big nazi problem, and all that.  But Russia invading their neighbor is not just "good" or anything like that


russia may  have known sanctions would happen but not any near the severity that they did, it's a total attack on the russian people.

i'm not cheerleading russia , i just understand it's far lesser evil than the amerikkkan empire and nato.
i also find the mainstream media, through its lies and hypocrisy make it impossible for me to sympathize with ukraine.  you want to cry over a child dying, yea that's bad, why were children being bombed being ignored when ukraine was doing it? literally everything the media is crying about russia doing, ukraine was doing during the donbass war, yet again those crimes were ignored.
it's just infuriating.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 16, 2022, 05:35:33 AM
Because Russia says there are biolabs in Ukraine, we therefore highly suspect they are planning to use chemical weapons?  This is what western sources have been shouting for days.  It doesn't even make sense.  What does one have to do with the other? 

The Poles have somehow quieted down , they do not want to discuss their president 's schizophrenia
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 16, 2022, 10:54:18 AM
So you're saying Trump would have started WW3, which is... good somehow?

Yes absolutely,  and thats EXACTLY why Putin DIDNT invade.  He knew he wouldnt be able to get away with it.  That's called a STRONG leader that actually has a deterrence factor.  Not a fucking weak sorry excuse for a pile of useless skin molecules like Biden and Obama that just lets dictators take whatever the fuck they want.
Lol if you want to engage in ww3 nuclear apocalypse brinksmanship over......... ukraine.  Seems pretty stupid to me. 

Ukraine was in the Soviet Union before, and has never been in EU or NATO.  you wanna risk it all to get them in? 
arent "conservatives" supposed to be turning back to america-first/isolationist shit?  where did that go and why are you willing to throw it all away for this?

Americans are in dire dire need of a reality check.  Fat and stupid and arrogant after years of calling in drone strikes to blow up afghan weddings and kidnapping and torturing chauffeurs and thinking that's what it's always like to be at war.  We have no idea what real war with a serious power is like.  here's someone who found out:

(https://i.imgur.com/D9gRHNW.png)
https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/06/ohio-veteran-henry-hoeft-heading-ukraine-fight-russia-legion/9376048002/ (https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/2022/03/06/ohio-veteran-henry-hoeft-heading-ukraine-fight-russia-legion/9376048002/)

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Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 16, 2022, 01:08:47 PM
Lol if you want to engage in ww3 nuclear apocalypse brinksmanship over......... ukraine.  Seems pretty stupid to me.

That's why you're the snowflake that follows (you lack confidence) and Trump is the leader (he doesnt lack confidence) who protects you from those that would tell you what you can and cant do.  To stop a bully,  it must be CRYSTAL CLEAR that you're not bluffing and that's easy to do when you are stronger and have more confidence than the other person in every sense of the word.  That's called DETERENCE.  Something else to ponder,  it's actually in Bidens favor that he let Ukraine fall because that would protect his own son from anymore investigations of corruption in Ukraine,  one could make a VERY good argument that this is the true reason Biden is dragging his feet and always 3 steps behind because others have literally had to force his hand to do something to help out.  For example,  Pelosi was going to send aid to Ukraine without the consent of Biden.  When that came to a head,  Biden begged her not to do it so that he could then take credit for sending any aid which is exactly what happened.  That's a perfect example of others forcing his hand to do shit he didnt really want to do in the first place.  I dont like Pelosi one single bit,  but we agree on at least one thing,  Ukraine cannot go it alone without help which is exactly what Biden wanted to do.  Pelosi is even in favor of sending no only Migs,  but Patriot batteries as well.  Niether of which Biden wants,  but I think in the coming weeks she's going to use the same tactic to twist Biden's arm and get the Patriot batteries in there and maybe even the Migs.  If there's one thing Biden hates more than anything,  it's others taking credit for things which he could have done that would make him look like he was actually doing something.

Anyway,  the point is that actions or LACK of actions speak louder than words.  NO COUNTRY invaded another country,  let alone Putin,  on Trump's watch (something neither Biden nor Obama can claim) and that speaks louder than any words ever can.  So under Trump,  there wouldnt ever be a WW3,  that's the point.  Why?  Because he's not AFRAID of a WW3 since he's confident enough to believe he'd win (confidence breeds success,  thats just a fact of life).  That's a much different philosophy than being completely afraid of WW3 and having NO confidence that you'd win which is why one would be so scared of a WW3 (lack of confidence breeds FAILURE,  that too is just a fact of life and reality),  especially if someone threatens them with it like Putin is currently doing.  In war2 words:  Biden is a DODGER because he's scared of losing.  You cant be afraid of losing and expect to also be able to deter anything or anyone.  Thems just the facts of reality.

Ukraine was in the Soviet Union before, and has never been in EU or NATO.  you wanna risk it all to get them in?

Ukraine was never a willing participant in the USSR,  that's just a historical fact that cant be debated so there's no point in doing so.  As for not being in Nato,  the same could be said about Mexico, Australia and many others.  They are not NATO countries either.  So if Putin decides he wants them all,  what then,  let Putin's stooges roll up in there just because they arent in Nato?  Thats absurd.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 16, 2022, 01:34:45 PM
lance is a diaper shitter  :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on March 16, 2022, 01:56:52 PM
Because Russia says there are biolabs in Ukraine, we therefore highly suspect they are planning to use chemical weapons?  This is what western sources have been shouting for days.  It doesn't even make sense.  What does one have to do with the other? 

The Poles have somehow quieted down , they do not want to discuss their president 's schizophrenia

no we know that our goverment is shit, not like you who think putin is best xD

and I dont want waste my time on you or jon who belive comunism is better than capitalism xD
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 16, 2022, 02:10:21 PM
where do you get the idea capitalism is good? that's a bizarre idea only the truly demented brainwashed could believe.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 16, 2022, 03:16:02 PM
where do you get the idea capitalism is good?

The entirety of all of human history would be a good starting point to prove why capitalism has and always will be superior and has also resulted in fewer genocides when compared to communism which has resulted in genocide 100% of the time it's used,  including Russia who killed more people during the Stalin period than all of WW2 combined and then there is Mao, another communist asshat who killed more people with his absurd socialist/communist policies than all wars combined since the dawn of history.  Is capitalism perfect?  No,  nor should it be,  it's a constant struggle as is life itself.  It cannot function properly without Rule of Law (for example, laws against monopolies which are in and of themselves, communistic in nature).  But even though it's not perfect, at least it's end goal isnt the annihilation of it's own people for the benefit of the few in power,  thus it has resulted in far fewer incidents of human genocide since it's end goal is competition (you win some you lose some) rather than annihilation (only 1 side ever wins,  the one thats in power).

There is only ONE benefit that communism has ever had on humanity and that is population control.  It's killed so many people that it has indeed had a major impact on keeping the global population lower than it otherwise could have been.  It's debatable of whether that's a good or bad thing,  but it is an effect that cant be disputed.  So I guess if you're for annihilating your own population to help out with population control, then communism is definitely the policies you should champion.  But also include yourself in the culling,  the rest of us who actually have lives to live dont want you around.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 16, 2022, 06:28:03 PM
Lol if you want to engage in ww3 nuclear apocalypse brinksmanship over......... ukraine.  Seems pretty stupid to me.


That's why you're the snowflake that follows (you lack confidence) and Trump is the leader (he doesnt lack confidence) who protects you from those that would tell you what you can and cant do.  To stop a bully,  it must be CRYSTAL CLEAR that you're not bluffing and that's easy to do when you are stronger and have more confidence than the other person in every sense of the word.  That's called DETERENCE.  Something else to ponder,  it's actually in Bidens favor that he let Ukraine fall because that would protect his own son from anymore investigations of corruption in Ukraine,  one could make a VERY good argument that this is the true reason Biden is dragging his feet and always 3 steps behind because others have literally had to force his hand to do something to help out.  For example,  Pelosi was going to send aid to Ukraine without the consent of Biden.  When that came to a head,  Biden begged her not to do it so that he could then take credit for sending any aid which is exactly what happened.  That's a perfect example of others forcing his hand to do shit he didnt really want to do in the first place.  I dont like Pelosi one single bit,  but we agree on at least one thing,  Ukraine cannot go it alone without help which is exactly what Biden wanted to do.  Pelosi is even in favor of sending no only Migs,  but Patriot batteries as well.  Niether of which Biden wants,  but I think in the coming weeks she's going to use the same tactic to twist Biden's arm and get the Patriot batteries in there and maybe even the Migs.  If there's one thing Biden hates more than anything,  it's others taking credit for things which he could have done that would make him look like he was actually doing something.

Anyway,  the point is that actions or LACK of actions speak louder than words.  NO COUNTRY invaded another country,  let alone Putin,  on Trump's watch (something neither Biden nor Obama can claim) and that speaks louder than any words ever can.  So under Trump,  there wouldnt ever be a WW3,  that's the point.  Why?  Because he's not AFRAID of a WW3 since he's confident enough to believe he'd win (confidence breeds success,  thats just a fact of life).  That's a much different philosophy than being completely afraid of WW3 and having NO confidence that you'd win which is why one would be so scared of a WW3 (lack of confidence breeds FAILURE,  that too is just a fact of life and reality),  especially if someone threatens them with it like Putin is currently doing.  In war2 words:  Biden is a DODGER because he's scared of losing.  You cant be afraid of losing and expect to also be able to deter anything or anyone.  Thems just the facts of reality.

Ukraine was in the Soviet Union before, and has never been in EU or NATO.  you wanna risk it all to get them in?


Ukraine was never a willing participant in the USSR,  that's just a historical fact that cant be debated so there's no point in doing so.  As for not being in Nato,  the same could be said about Mexico, Australia and many others.  They are not NATO countries either.  So if Putin decides he wants them all,  what then,  let Putin's stooges roll up in there just because they arent in Nato?  Thats absurd.

Oh yeah let’s risk nuclear annihilation over Ukraine, a country most Americans can’t find on a map. It’s only literally on Russia’s border and they just risked it all to invade… Hm who do you think is going to call who’s bluff here?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 16, 2022, 07:19:38 PM
It’s only literally on Russia’s border and they just risked it all to invad

The same could be said about Germany invading Poland to begin WW2.  "It's literally only on their border".  What a completely absurd way to think.  There is no "only" when dealing with psychopathic maniacs who possess nuclear weapons and/or massive military strength.  Using your method of thinking,  we'd all be speaking German right now and the population of the world would probably be less than 10% of where it is today.  Lucky for us, the Japanese were stupid enough to give the US a reason.  Had they not,  the idiots in power were of the same mindset you have in that they were completely ok with maniacs taking over entire countries so long as their own was left alone and didnt react until those maniacs finally reached their own borders.  The biggest mistake of WW2 by the US was not entering it sooner where it could have saved 6 million jews and likely never having a need to use their own nukes on Japan.  A lesson learned but is quickly forgotten by people like you.

The best way to start and win a war, is to deter the war from ever beginning in the first place (AKA:  You won before it ever even began).  Thats the lesson of WW2 that people are quickly forgetting.  Hitler, Hirohito, and Mussolini saw that the west was weak and they all took advantage all at the same time.  The same is happening all over again right before our eyes.  History is repeating because lessons of the past have been lost.  The point is that WW3 would never begin under Trump's watch because Trump isnt afraid of a WW3 because he's confident enough to know he'd win.  That confidence is what deters others from ever even thinking about doing something that could possibly start a WW3 (AKA:  Deterrence).  Biden is NOT a deterrent for anything.  That has been proven many times over since he took office and it's only going to get worse until he's replaced by someone who ISNT afraid to stand up to bullies and isnt afraid to enter a WW3.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 16, 2022, 08:48:09 PM
Only argument an intelligent man lost is with an idiot.

Sad thing is, idiots tend to think they are in fact intelligent.

Side note. Smart people don’t advertise they are smart they simply go about their way and if they are smart people will in turn agree.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Rus on March 16, 2022, 09:36:02 PM
It’s only literally on Russia’s border and they just risked it all to invad

The same could be said about Germany invading Poland to begin WW2.  "It's literally only on their border".  What a completely absurd way to think.  There is no "only" when dealing with psychopathic maniacs who possess nuclear weapons and/or massive military strength.  Using your method of thinking,  we'd all be speaking German right now and the population of the world would probably be less than 10% of where it is today.  Lucky for us, the Japanese were stupid enough to give the US a reason.  Had they not,  the idiots in power were of the same mindset you have in that they were completely ok with maniacs taking over entire countries so long as their own was left alone and didnt react until those maniacs finally reached their own borders.  The biggest mistake of WW2 by the US was not entering it sooner where it could have saved 6 million jews and likely never having a need to use their own nukes on Japan.  A lesson learned but is quickly forgotten by people like you.

The best way to start and win a war, is to deter the war from ever beginning in the first place (AKA:  You won before it ever even began).  Thats the lesson of WW2 that people are quickly forgetting.  Hitler, Hirohito, and Mussolini saw that the west was weak and they all took advantage all at the same time.  The same is happening all over again right before our eyes.  History is repeating because lessons of the past have been lost.  The point is that WW3 would never begin under Trump's watch because Trump isnt afraid of a WW3 because he's confident enough to know he'd win.  That confidence is what deters others from ever even thinking about doing something that could possibly start a WW3 (AKA:  Deterrence).  Biden is NOT a deterrent for anything.  That has been proven many times over since he took office and it's only going to get worse until he's replaced by someone who ISNT afraid to stand up to bullies and isnt afraid to enter a WW3.
Thanks to the Soviet soldiers for the fact that you now live not in America , which is captured by the Third Reich . And so modestly you mentioned the Japanese .. my God. The only country in the world that has used nuclear weapons against civilians . And you 're a jerk , you 're still saying something bad about Russia . The whole world together with Russia has not staged as many wars as one America against all
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 16, 2022, 10:45:01 PM
where do you get the idea capitalism is good?

The entirety of all of human history would be a good starting point to prove why capitalism has and always will be superior and has also resulted in fewer genocides when compared to communism which has resulted in genocide 100% of the time it's used,


if you look at the history of modern famines they vast majority  have been in capitalist countries . and the only 'communist famines' happened during a world war, lol.



  including Russia who killed more people during the Stalin period than all of WW2 combined and then there is Mao, another communist asshat who killed more people with his absurd socialist/communist policies than all wars combined since the dawn of history.



this is stupid and probably trolling


Is capitalism perfect?  No

that's for damn sure. billions people in poverty in the world while majority of the earth's wealth concentrated in the hands of the minority.
every city across the globe is plagued with the same issues, poverty, homelessness, drug abuse, depression, suicide. capitalism is quite fucked to put it mildly.


,  nor should it be,  it's a constant struggle as is life itself.  It cannot function properly without Rule of Law (for example, laws against monopolies which are in and of themselves, communistic in nature).  But even though it's not perfect, at least it's end goal isnt the annihilation of it's own people for the benefit of the few in power,  thus it has resulted in far fewer incidents of human genocide since it's end goal is competition (you win some you lose some) rather than annihilation (only 1 side ever wins,  the one thats in power).

capitalism just makes it own rules, and those rules are generally harmful to poor people and the environment. and it's entirely existence was built on genocide and racial slavery.


There is only ONE benefit that communism has ever had on humanity and that is population control.  It's killed so many people that it has indeed had a major impact on keeping the global population lower than it otherwise could have been.  It's debatable of whether that's a good or bad thing,  but it is an effect that cant be disputed.  So I guess if you're for annihilating your own population to help out with population control, then communism is definitely the policies you should champion.  But also include yourself in the culling,  the rest of us who actually have lives to live dont want you around.

nice nazi opinion, but capitalism seems to do a excellent job at destroying the psyche of every one in its orbit. from materialism, celebrity worship, individualism, degradation of altruism and heightened greed.
fuck amerikkka for spreading this brain disorder to the world, we're irreversible fucked because of capitalism.
 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 17, 2022, 03:08:49 AM
Quote from: {Lance} on March 16, 2022, 03:16:02 PM
  including Russia who killed more people during the Stalin period than all of WW2 combined and then there is Mao, another communist asshat who killed more people with his absurd socialist/communist policies than all wars combined since the dawn of history.



this is stupid and probably trolling

I see, so you're embarrassed about your own country's history and brush it off as trolling.  I'm sure the 9 million dead will appreciate you ignoring they ever existed.  Stalin killed roughly 9 million people (that we know of) give or take a few million which is far more than the 5-6 million that Hitler incinerated.  It took Stalin more time to reach those numbers than Hitler who did most of it in 1.5yrs but time doesnt really matter when talking about sending people into eternity.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 17, 2022, 12:15:06 PM
well you can't even get your own story right, just making up numbers like most flailing morons who can't bother to have a semblance of critical thought.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 17, 2022, 01:14:49 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/eWq1hIz.jpg)

cry ab it
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 17, 2022, 01:45:27 PM
Move to North Korea or China and find out what true communism in all it's glory actually feels like.  Everything is provided to you by the state (especially if you're an elite in power),  no one owns anything at all (except for the elites in power) so there's no whining about property, the food supply is the same for everyone (except for the elites in power), everyone gets the same amount of cash (except for the elites in power), oh ya,  it's an absolute paradise and perfect example of what Communism provides.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 17, 2022, 02:46:30 PM
that's why every average person who lived under communism said it was good and owned, use critical thinking.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 17, 2022, 02:59:08 PM
Ya,  everyone being equally poor is SUCH a great way to live.  No,  fuck that shit.  If I work harder than you do,  you're god damn right I'm going to be pissed if I still get the same as the assclown sitting on the couch playing call of duty collecting state shit.  You wont know what true wealth is until you've experienced it and you absolutely cannot do that under an abhorrent communistic policy driven system UNLESS you're the elite politician whos making all the rules.  "Rules for thee not for me".  That's the motto of a communist state.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 17, 2022, 05:04:23 PM
Ya,  everyone being equally poor is SUCH a great way to live.  No,  fuck that shit.  If I work harder than you do,  you're god damn right I'm going to be pissed if I still get the same as the assclown sitting on the couch playing call of duty collecting state shit.  You wont know what true wealth is until you've experienced it and you absolutely cannot do that under an abhorrent communistic policy driven system UNLESS you're the elite politician whos making all the rules.  "Rules for thee not for me".  That's the motto of a communist state.

Yeah that’s the thing with communism you get lazy free loading people like Jon here that wants to eat the fruits hard working peoples labor without contributing.
There is a reason the transition from socialism to communism has never exisited.
Most people aren’t lazy and don’t like taking care of free loaders.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 17, 2022, 11:01:54 PM
Ya,  everyone being equally poor is SUCH a great way to live.  No,  fuck that shit.  If I work harder than you do,  you're god damn right I'm going to be pissed if I still get the same as the assclown sitting on the couch playing call of duty collecting state shit.  You wont know what true wealth is until you've experienced it and you absolutely cannot do that under an abhorrent communistic policy driven system UNLESS you're the elite politician whos making all the rules.  "Rules for thee not for me".  That's the motto of a communist state.

yea but what does your fake made-up idea have anything to do with communism?
we already established the average person who lived under communism enjoyed it more
cry ab it
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 17, 2022, 11:07:26 PM

Yeah that’s the thing with communism you get lazy free loading people like Jon here that wants to eat the fruits hard working peoples labor without contributing.
There is a reason the transition from socialism to communism has never exisited.
Most people aren’t lazy and don’t like taking care of free loaders.
what's this diaper shitter talking about and why is he spewing boomer rhetoric?  🤣🤣

plus isn't this kid just some trundfund baby? wtf does this dork know about working?  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 17, 2022, 11:36:26 PM
Uhm,  you realize that image you used is just a photoshopped image from a paid Russian state Twitter user who's sole purpose is to spew out communist propaganda right (not the actual gallup site).  I thought you posted it as a joke,  but you actually think it's a REAL image from some sort of gallup poll?  You need serious help in the research dept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/q9hj2o/communist_uses_misleading_outdated_and/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/EnoughCommieSpam/comments/q9hj2o/communist_uses_misleading_outdated_and/)

This is the original source of that image,  it's NOT from a "gallup poll" as shown in the image,  that's just a total lie:  twitter.com/istrebki/status/1449355835713495042

Post the ACTUAL poll research from the SOURCE site where the question asked was exactly as worded in the photoshopped image and maybe someone will believe you.  Until then,  you're still proving that you have the IQ of a rock,  which is an insult to the rock.  Asking residents if they like the direction of their country atm does NOT equate to asking if they liked communism better.  That's like asking someone if they liked their experience at walmart and when they reply no,  then you publish a poll that says people would much prefer being in a burning building than shop at walmart and post it as some sort of fact,  which would be completely absurd.  That's exactly what the original Twitter user did and was quickly laughed at for such a retarded and absurd attempt to spew disinformation.

Now "cry ab it".  Dipshit.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 18, 2022, 12:07:31 AM
first of all you don't know what photoshopped means  and you post on nazi subreddits  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 18, 2022, 12:22:53 AM
Thanks for confirming that you now know that the photo you showed and tried to pass off as "fact" is actually just a total lie since you cant post the actual source article.  You cant,  because I already did it for you,  it's from that paid russian state twitter user that I proved as the source and it's clearly 100% fake.  Absolutely nothing on it has any basis in fact or history.  I wouldnt be surprised if you were that twitter user since that image doesnt appear in very many places around the web.  It's a very unique image that only a select few would even know exists.  The owner of that twitter account also speaks a lot like you do and is obvious they have no interest in fact, history,  nor have any semblance of an IQ,  the grammar is very similar as well.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 18, 2022, 01:09:37 AM
Invalid Tweet ID

owned

cry about it
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 18, 2022, 06:17:06 AM

Yeah that’s the thing with communism you get lazy free loading people like Jon here that wants to eat the fruits hard working peoples labor without contributing.
There is a reason the transition from socialism to communism has never exisited.
Most people aren’t lazy and don’t like taking care of free loaders.
what's this diaper shitter talking about and why is he spewing boomer rhetoric?  🤣🤣

plus isn't this kid just some trundfund baby? wtf does this dork know about working?  🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Don’t assume you know me personally I do work. Where do you work?
Why should hard working people take care of people who don’t want to work?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 18, 2022, 12:11:32 PM
You are truly demented thinking that a poll taken by a corrupt agency over 30 yrs ago has any relevance to anything at all in today's world.  Given the date,  even if that data were true (which I know it's not),  it's COMPLETELY irrelevant since it's human nature to disapprove of CHANGE to begin with.  You cant poll someone BEFORE a change and then expect their answer to be relevant AFTER they have gone through the change you fucking retard.

Face it,  you're not going to be able to defeat humans that actually posses the ability to think for themselves and have common sense.  That's why communists always lose and it's citizens are so easy to control.  They possess neither.

Cry about that.  LMFAO.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 18, 2022, 12:16:36 PM
Move to North Korea or China and find out what true communism in all it's glory actually feels like.  Everything is provided to you by the state (especially if you're an elite in power),  no one owns anything at all (except for the elites in power) so there's no whining about property, the food supply is the same for everyone (except for the elites in power), everyone gets the same amount of cash (except for the elites in power), oh ya,  it's an absolute paradise and perfect example of what Communism provides.
china is succeeding wildly, as america continues to create its own collapse
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 18, 2022, 12:18:46 PM
china is succeeding wildly, as america continues to create its own collapse

Well duuuuuuuuh,  when you actively participate in stealing IP and have Slave labor camps to produce things,  of course you're going to be able to be successful compared to a capitalist state that has to PAY its labor force and doesnt steal IP.  And if you want to call the Uyghur Genocide "succeeding wildly" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide),  well,  then I guess you support human genocide.  Where in the US is there an equivalent to that currently.  AFAIK it only existed pre-1865 and has since been outlawed because it's not right.  Even in today's US prisons,  prisoners are paid for work.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext.

You are correct about the US however.  It's destroying itself from the inside out because it's allowing communists in it's government which indeed ARE destroying it from the inside out (AOC and all her coherts, Biden, Harris, Sanders and just about every dem in the senate are all self proclaimed "democratic socialists" which is just another fancy name for communist).  Communist party activities/gatherings/participation, etc are actually supposed to be illegal in the US but they are now masquerading around as "Socialist Democrats".   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 18, 2022, 01:47:58 PM
Face it,  you're not going to be able to defeat humans that actually posses the ability to think for themselves and have common sense. 

those people barely exist anymore, capitalism ruined all critical thought. only consume, consume products but also western media propaganda.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 18, 2022, 01:49:19 PM
china is succeeding wildly, as america continues to create its own collapse

Well duuuuuuuuh,  when you actively participate in stealing IP and have Slave labor camps to produce things,  of course you're going to be able to be successful compared to a capitalist state that has to PAY its labor force and doesnt steal IP.  And if you want to call the Uyghur Genocide "succeeding wildly" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_genocide),  well,  then I guess you support human genocide.  Where in the US is there an equivalent to that.

Neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeext.

You are correct about the US however.  It's destroying itself from the inside out because it's allowing communists in it's government which indeed ARE destroying it from the inside out (AOC and all her coherts, Biden, Harris, Sanders and just about every dem in the senate are all self proclaimed "democratic socialists" which is just another fancy name for communist).  Communist party activities/gatherings/participation, etc are actually supposed to be illegal in the US but they are now masquerading around as "Socialist Democrats".   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954


China isn't stealing anything (typical whining yanks who get out-competed start crying cheating, stealing, etc) and there is no Uighur genocide.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 18, 2022, 01:59:20 PM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 18, 2022, 02:01:19 PM
yea that's what a prison looks like lol.


you'll find worse things at Guantanamo and cia black sites
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 18, 2022, 10:10:04 PM
Politics is akin to a religion at this point.
Attacking someone’s political beliefs is akin to attacking their religion in this day and age.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 20, 2022, 05:27:53 PM
You are correct about the US however.  It's destroying itself from the inside out because it's allowing communists in it's government which indeed ARE destroying it from the inside out (AOC and all her coherts, Biden, Harris, Sanders and just about every dem in the senate are all self proclaimed "democratic socialists" which is just another fancy name for communist).  Communist party activities/gatherings/participation, etc are actually supposed to be illegal in the US but they are now masquerading around as "Socialist Democrats".   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954
I'm sorry, but this is pure brain damage.  The United States is extremely dedicated to capitalism. 

* Bernie, AOC, etc are not communist at all (they do not support a dictatorship of the workers, they do not support state ownership of enterprise).
* Bernie, AOC etc are completely powerless and are unable to achieve any of their objectives even with Biden in the presidency and Dems controlling both houses.  For example, no Medicare for All, free college, student loan forgiveness, ambitious climate action plan.  Nothing of the sort, as the insurance companies, banks and loan companies, energy companies etc will never allow any of that and remain in complete control even with a Democratic government.
* Obama himself intervened to stop Bernie from winning the Dem primary, calling Pete Buttigieg and others and encouraging them to drop out and endorse Biden to circumvent Bernie winning.
* The country as a whole is further away from having a strong assertive government than it ever has been
* If that anti-communist law was actually constitutional and being enforced, that enforcement alone would prove that the United States is not a ""free"" country since certain political opinions would be outlawed.

Like, you are seeing a movement that was completely defeated and stymied, and not only do you fear it, you believe it's actually somehow in control despite the movement accomplishing absolutely nothing.  What does this say about... everything?  The US is so right wing that people on the right are charged up and scared about absolute nothings, while they get win after win (and the right will easily win the next House and the Presidency in the next elections, and the left probably won't even be on the ballot).
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 20, 2022, 05:30:15 PM

Opposition Platform has 43 seats in parliament and publicly opposes the Russian invasion. Utterly indefensible and undemocratic move regardless of whether the party can be adequately defined as "leftist."

Ukraine is now officially fascist and anti-democratic.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 20, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
* Bernie, AOC, etc are not communist at all (they do not support a dictatorship of the workers, they do not support state ownership of enterprise).
Incorrect,  they have all come out and publicly stated that they are "Democratic Socialists" which is not the same as a Socialist.  A democratic socialist's goals are more akin to communism to the point where it's basically just an alias for communism. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism  "With the association of social democracy as policy regime[111] and the development of the Third Way,[25] social democracy became almost exclusively associated with capitalist welfare states,[112] while democratic socialism came to include communist and revolutionary tendencies.[113]"

You are mixing up Social Democracy with Democratic Socialism.  They are similar but have different philosophies of achieving the same goals.  For example,  AOC more than once has stated she wants the govt to own ALL the property in the US so that she could "level the playing field" as far as who gets to live where.  She has also stated that large corporations such as Walmart, Amazon, Google, etc should be Govt controlled so that the Executive Officers incomes could be regulated and that revenue used elsewhere or even eliminated completely and replaced by government officials.  Those are all communistic ideas.  Therefore it's pretty obvious that anyone who's a Democratic Socialist is also a communist at heart.

Bernie, AOC etc are completely powerless and are unable to achieve any of their objectives
Biden continues to refuse to revert energy policy because of the "Democratic Socialists" blocking it so that he cannot set it back to what Trump had which gave the US it's first taste of actual true energy independence for the first time in it's history.  They have accomplished MORE than they should have which is why the US is currently going parabolic to the downside where as Trump had it going parabolic to the upside.  Under Trump the border was being secured,  countries werent invading each other, and the US didnt depend on anyone else for it's energy.  That was all destroyed on the first day of Biden's presidency and it's been getting worse ever since,  to the point where countries are invading each other because Biden is viewed as weak (because he's being controlled by the Democratic Socialists and has no brain to make decisions of his own), the US depends on energy from outside it's own borders, and it's southern border is being invaded by soon to be voting fraud criminals as they will all vote illegally and for the party that let them in (the communists).  The best way to get someones vote is for them to enable you to do things you otherwise would not have been able to do (such as rob stores in San Fran with little to no repercussions, cross over the southern border illegally with no repercussions,  etc).

Obama himself intervened to stop Bernie from winning the Dem primary, calling Pete Buttigieg and others and encouraging them to drop out and endorse Biden to circumvent Bernie winning.
Thats actually a sign of how a communist behaves.  Communists fear competition since they cant control the outcome,  Sanders is not as easily controlled as Biden,  thats just a fact thats been proven over and over ever since he came to office.

* The country as a whole is further away from having a strong assertive government than it ever has been
This couldnt be further from the truth.  If it were,  there wouldnt be so many 2A and 1A arguments going on right now.  The govt is becoming to controlling and has been eroding both 2A and 1A ever since Clinton came to office,  it's been getting worse ever since.

* If that anti-communist law was actually constitutional and being enforced, that enforcement alone would prove that the United States is not a ""free"" country since certain political opinions would be outlawed.
I agree with you on this one.  However,  it's a law and it should be enforced until it's repealed.  That's how Rule of Law works.  I would be for repealing it.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 21, 2022, 07:56:52 AM
* Bernie, AOC, etc are not communist at all (they do not support a dictatorship of the workers, they do not support state ownership of enterprise).
Incorrect,  they have all come out and publicly stated that they are "Democratic Socialists" which is not the same as a Socialist.  A democratic socialist's goals are more akin to communism to the point where it's basically just an alias for communism. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism  "With the association of social democracy as policy regime[111] and the development of the Third Way,[25] social democracy became almost exclusively associated with capitalist welfare states,[112] while democratic socialism came to include communist and revolutionary tendencies.[113]"

You are mixing up Social Democracy with Democratic Socialism.  They are similar but have different philosophies of achieving the same goals.  For example,  AOC more than once has stated she wants the govt to own ALL the property in the US so that she could "level the playing field" as far as who gets to live where.  She has also stated that large corporations such as Walmart, Amazon, Google, etc should be Govt controlled so that the Executive Officers incomes could be regulated and that revenue used elsewhere or even eliminated completely and replaced by government officials.  Those are all communistic ideas.  Therefore it's pretty obvious that anyone who's a Democratic Socialist is also a communist at heart.
lol you think im gonna confuse these terms?  ive been a communist for like 15 years i know what all this stuff is.  truth is this, they call themselves democratic socialists, not communists.  just like i said, communists support a dictatorship of the workers.  democratic socialists dont.  they just want to vote in socialism.  but on top of that, regardless of what any of them call themselves, theyre not democratic socialists either.  theyre social democrats.  look at bernies policies, it's just capitalism with strong social programs, and he constantly cites the nordic states, which of course would be a big improvement, but none of those are socialist or democratic socialist.  those are social democracies.  in conclusion, the proper understanding of these terms shows us that this one powerless movement on the left in the US is multiple steps away from communism, if they even could do anything.  not only can they not, even joe-ass biden cant pass his boring tired old liberal shit because they dont want to/manchin & sinema dont agree to...

so to recap, not only is bernie not a communist, not only is democratic socialism not communism, not only is bernie not actually a democratic socialist (instead being a social democrat), not only does bernie & co not have any power to pass any social democratic policies, but also old ass dem biden cant pass his basic shit.  and you think communism is ruining america
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 21, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
and you think communism is ruining america
It's not a thought.  It's a historical fact.  Anything socialist/communist has failed miserably (Social Security, Welfare system, Obamacare, Urban criminal policies etc). 

ive been a communist for like 15 years
It is curious though that you have hidden the fact that you're a communist for so long,  this is the first I've seen you admit such anyway.  At least you're out of the closet now I suppose.  Do you also live in a communist country?  If not why not move to one?  I hear Cuba has great beaches and North Korea has excellent mountains for skiing,  Venezuela has some nice weather,  China has every kind of terrain feature one could want, and Russia is doing awesome things these days.  There are some great communist states to give yourself to so that someone else can wrap a leash around you like a dog if that's your thing.  I hear communists are often also into the Sub/Dom BDSM thing and like leashes, whips, and chains lol.

Explain why someone would want a dictatorship of workers let alone a dictatorship of anything when it comes to government.  The only dictatorships I have ever approved of are parental,  and MAYBE within a private company (I couldnt work for a place like that,  I have as a young kid and would never again),  the company I have worked in for the past 20+yrs votes on things publicly within the company (not public to the world) that would affect all or most of its employees,  unions do the same thing but I disapprove of unions fundamentally for other reasons.  Previous to that I was self employed.  Previous to self employment I worked at Ames Dept store (similar to Walmart) as a HS student and would never work at a place like that ever again,  the dictatorship was far to obvious.

Excerpt from a Communist Workers Party site (https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm (https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm)):

In addition to suppressing the exploiters, the dictatorship of the proletariat must also suppress all sorts of bad elements who try to wreck our young socialist society. As Lenin said,

... these elements of disintegration cannot ’reveal themselves’ otherwise than in the increase of crime, hooliganism, corruption, profiteering and outrages of every kind. To put these down requires time and requires an iron hand . . . The misfortune of previous revolutions was that the revolutionary enthusiasm of the people, which sustained them in their state of tension and gave them the strength to suppress ruthlessly the elements of disintegration did not last long. (Lenin. “The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government,” Collected Works, Vol. 27)


Translation:  We must partake in human Genocide with an Iron Fist (as evidenced by Russia's current absurdity,  China's current  Genocide against the Uighurs as well as ALL past and current communist states).  In otherwords,  Communism BREEDS GENOCIDE as it's basic to it's core because of it's need to dictate what you should and shouldnt be doing for ruling elite's own personal gain.  For those that dont understand what a proletariat is,  it's just a fancy term for Workers.  So  Dictatorship of Proletariat is the same as Dictatorship of Workers (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proletariat)).  Not sure why Blid didnt use the correct term since they are one in the same.

That whole entire Communist Workers Party page is utterly disgusting.  It's full of enemy this, destroy that, crush those, suppress them,  suppress that,  etc etc  VERY violent.  I dont understand how a modern human could read that and not see that it's just an excuse for the ruling elite to take power over everything you own for their own benefit.  It literally tries to justify human genocide MULTIPLE times.  There just simply is no form of communism/socialism that works without partaking in human genocide, violence, or suppression/oppression.  None.  So it doesnt surprise me that it's outlawed in the US via the anti-communist act of 1954,  Socialism/Communism are very cruel and violent methods of governing.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 21, 2022, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: {Lance}
Well if it meant you are removed of the ability to steal oxygen from us actual humans since you're a complete waste of meat,  then yes.  I'd be all for executing Jon. 



Quote from: {Lance}
That whole entire Communist Workers Party page is utterly disgusting.  It's full of enemy this, destroy that, crush those, suppress them,  suppress that,  etc etc  VERY violent.


 :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Certified MENSA Genius Brain (smart) on March 21, 2022, 02:30:12 PM
ive been a communist for like 15 years
It is curious though that you have hidden the fact that you're a communist for so long,  this is the first I've seen you admit such anyway.
you must not have been paying attention

https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3408.msg56013.html#msg56013
https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2399.msg41211.html#msg41211

if we had the old occult forum you would see those kind of posts going back years.  Nothing in the closet about it lol, i've been arguing of its virtues here for years
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 22, 2022, 03:11:25 PM
ive been a communist for like 15 years
It is curious though that you have hidden the fact that you're a communist for so long,  this is the first I've seen you admit such anyway.
you must not have been paying attention

https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,3408.msg56013.html#msg56013
https://forum.war2.ru/index.php/topic,2399.msg41211.html#msg41211

if we had the old occult forum you would see those kind of posts going back years.  Nothing in the closet about it lol, i've been arguing of its virtues here for years

Nope never saw any of those at all.  Course I wasnt to active at those times either,  I rarely come here and only the recent Russian invasions have peaked my interest since many of the people here would be affected by it.  However with the free speech rules you help apply here,  it never crossed my mind that you would have supported such a suppressive party ideal considering free speech is communism's #1 enemy.  Take Jon for example,  he's a complete waste of meat but I didnt agree with his being muffled.  Jon cant debate his way out of his own way but you seem to have a grasp and ability to debate which I enjoy even though I would NEVER support any ideas as they relate to communism in the least.  I just cannot support what I read at the link I posted earlier.  Trying to justify suppression and human genodcide is just disgusting.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 22, 2022, 10:57:36 PM
(https://i.imgur.com/vmIUdpf.jpg)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on March 23, 2022, 01:07:02 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/vmIUdpf.jpg)

If we go through your post history do you actually post anything with evidence to support your views? Or do you just troll 9 times out of 10?
How does a post like this contribute to a meaningful debate may I ask?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 23, 2022, 01:36:21 PM
new rule: you actually have had to read at least one non-fiction book in your lifetime to  post in this thread, tora get out
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 23, 2022, 03:00:20 PM
new rule: you actually have had to read at least one non-fiction book

Oh good, so we wont be seeing anymore of Jon then since beating it to Hustler magz doesnt qualify as reading.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 23, 2022, 07:08:26 PM
Looks like Finland could be the next Nato country.  Polling in 1998 reported 28% of Finland citizens supported it.  Polling taken just this past week shows 60%.  Voting among the member nations has also reached 93% as opposed to 41% in 1998.  Putin sure does know how to increase interest in Nato's membership LMFAO.  The last time Russia tried to invade Finland it got REKT.  They lost roughly 168,000 vs 26,000 in 1939.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on March 24, 2022, 01:23:45 PM
Looks like Finland could be the next Nato country.  Polling in 1998 reported 28% of Finland citizens supported it.  Polling taken just this past week shows 60%.  Voting among the member nations has also reached 93% as opposed to 41% in 1998.  Putin sure does know how to increase interest in Nato's membership LMFAO.  The last time Russia tried to invade Finland it got REKT.  They lost roughly 168,000 vs 26,000 in 1939.


what western indoctrination through media can do to a mfer
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 27, 2022, 06:39:02 PM
After Biden's public comments i'd give nuclear war a 40-50% right now.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 28, 2022, 07:47:07 AM
The problem with being around the 50% range is it could easily jump from a 50% chance to a 100% chance and a couple minutes
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 28, 2022, 11:41:01 AM
After Biden's public comments i'd give nuclear war a 40-50% right now.

I had no problem with it at all.  Biden spoke his mind (whats left of it anyway which is like 0.001%) and now he's being told that he cant do that because it makes him appear strong, mean, and alpha,  like Trump.  This is something Trump would have said and had NO regrets about it.  Biden needs to come out with a no,  fuck you,  I meant every word,  now sit your pussy ass down and let a real man handle this shit.  That's what Biden needs to do if he's to reclaim any semblance of respect from 70% of the US that are not pussy snowflakes worried that a pin drop might offend someone else.  The way you keep people in line is that you put them there,  purposely,  with conviction.  If you just let people walk all over you,  they will continue to do so and others will quickly pick up on it and do it as well (such as China).  Of course that will never happen though since he's actually a pussy and bows down to his handlers,  he's a good little puppet and he will obey.  This slip up statement if you want to call it that is the ONLY time I actually liked anything he said and if he doesnt tell his puppet masters to shut the fuck up,  it'll probably be the last time I like anything he says.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on March 28, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
When a sitting president says something to that affect during a public, it will be interpreted as a policy statement. Not just some "this is how i feel" statement. He's president. Not some random guy on the street.

Was insanely irresponsible of him to publicly make that statement.

....but im glad he did it. I love transparency. Everyone needs to say whats on their mind. cut the bull shit. thats how we identify and hopefully resolve issues one way or another.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 28, 2022, 11:24:28 PM
It's not irresponsible at all.  If dictators know you mean business,  they wont go attacking other countries.  But he showed a sliver of resolve MONTHS to late.  If this were Trump,  Ukraine college students would be partying right now instead of slingin led at commies since Putin wouldnt have attacked in the first place.  Why?  Because Trump means what he says and he doesnt give two shits what anyone thinks about what he says.  Thats called leadership.  And leadership keeps the assclowns like Putin from doing shit they shouldnt be doing.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on March 30, 2022, 01:19:01 PM
Run ya filthy commies run.  Ukraine done whooped some serious ass and even encroached INTO Russia on some of it's counter offensives.  Forces headed back to Belarus and some north eastern parts of Russia.  Russians have lost nearly 7x more troops in the span of a month than the US has lost in the last 49 years,  now thats an ass whoopin lol.  I'll be the first to admit,  I did not expect the Ukrainians to win but seeing that come to light is rather cool.  Those led slingin' spring breakers and farmers with tractors really put the hurt to ol' Putin's ruskies haha.

If any of our ukrainians players hauled off some russian armored vehicles,  I'll take one for 4 wheelin fun :D  I'll even pay for the shipping lol.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on April 03, 2022, 12:50:55 AM
Seemed to be desire to negotiate. Maybe some negotiations were made.. but increased tensions with Russia demanding nations supporting Ukraine pay for fossils fuels in rubles.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 04, 2022, 11:03:46 AM
Seemed to be desire to negotiate. Maybe some negotiations were made.. but increased tensions with Russia demanding nations supporting Ukraine pay for fossils fuels in rubles.

Thats laughable.  It's going to end in a failed attempt at saving the value of the RuBBLe by trying to force other nations to buy RuBBLes at inflated prices vs other currencies.  Ditch the RuBBLe now while you can and buy BTC, Monero,  or hell even at this point Doge would be better and Doge is a complete joke.  Like.  Literally.

The RuBBLe has less than 2yrs left in it according to the current TEN year death spiral chart pattern that it's in.

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/VFbbJ6YHTLq3Gb8QRm0-oA.png)

Vs a chart like this which is nothing but Ascending Triangles,  I think I'm goin with Bitcoin instead of RuBBLes.

(https://img001.prntscr.com/file/img001/CaOdOEGOQIiLDWEmF6Vd-g.png)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 05, 2022, 09:44:30 AM
‘Many US commentators have never BEEN to countries they comment on, see entire world from Washington perspective’ – Stephen Kinzer


extremely true
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 05, 2022, 01:02:44 PM
‘Many US commentators have never BEEN to countries they comment on, see entire world from Washington perspective’ – Stephen Kinzer


extremely true


Common sense dictates that you dont have to experience everything in order to know something is completely absurd.

So why dont you pack your bags and head to North Korea.  Tell us what you think...... if you make it back that is because you sure as shit wont be able to tell us from within it.  LMFAO.  I can tell you that it's a fucking shithole and I can do that without ever having been there because I have enough common sense to know that it's a fucking shithole just based on observations of it's actions and what others have to say about it that actually have been there.  Reporters very rarely experience things themselves,  thats why they are called REPORTers.  They report on OTHER's experiences,  not their own.  BTW,  that comment was taken out of context for an agenda purpose,  it's also not exactly what he said word for word either, it was paraphrased,  again, for agenda purposes.  This guy was talking about how reporters are not REPORTING.  They arent using people's experiences,  they are using govt talking heads words as if they were gospel,  when clearly they are just propaganda and more often than not,  just outright LIES.  Thats what he was referring to.  He was NOT insinuating that other countries are angels and great places which is what you're trying to insinuate.

Common sense and thinking for one's self is something that commies simply dont have because their own philosophy forbids it and their repressive/oppressive government will go out of it's way to insure that the peons dont start thinking for themselves by beating them into submission (IE: Putin's crackdown on independent media outlets).  Literally.  It's all explained here in very black and white:  https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm (https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm)

The bottom line is that Free Speech and Free will is communisms #1 enemy.  That's on full display in Russia right now in the form of 15yrs in prison for those media outlets/reporters that have different opinions than the state.  And it's been on full display in China, North Korea, Cuba,  Former USSR, current Russia, etc for decades,  pushing into centuries here pretty soon.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 05, 2022, 02:49:57 PM
 

it was the west that first  banned RT and other media not parroting Washington's narrative.

  social media is banning anything that isn't pro-ukraine, pro-nato garbage.

i can't even point out the 'Uighur genocide' is blatantly fake news on reddit without being banned

don't talk about censorship , it's your goofy ideology that's being blared into the mainstream while actual facts get drowned out.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 05, 2022, 02:54:53 PM
i can't even point out the 'Uighur genocide' is blatantly fake news on reddit without being banned

Well,  that actually IS a real problem,  the Uighurs actually are being killed and imprisoned by the thousands.  That's a provable fact and isnt really the debate,  the debate is whether the Chinese have the right to persecute and kill them in the first place.  The chinese ruling party dont deny that it's being done,  they just deny that what they are doing isnt legal.  They openly admit to the "re-education" camps,  which are actually just prisons very similar to Nazi concentration and death camps.  Whether you can post about it being fake or not,  there are posts about it all over the place for BOTH sides in both FB and Twitter.  People posting videos and then other morons such as yourself saying "it's all staged".  As long as the post is anti-right, pro-left, or neither left or right,  it's allowed to be posted and the genocide isnt a left nor right issue.  It's a human genocide issue and thus it doesnt have any censoring from the anti-right outfits such as Twitter, FB, and Googlieshmooglie.

BTW,  Putin says you shouldnt even be on twitter, fb, reddit to begin with.  Why are you trying to access something your own president says is banned from being accessed.  Maybe we should turn you in for being a traitor to Putin's laws.  I hear there's now a paid program for people to narc on others doing things they shouldnt,  such as accessing twitter and reddit.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 05, 2022, 11:40:44 PM
they're re-education camps for Islamic terrorists , being Uighur isn't relevant.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 06, 2022, 11:24:56 AM
they're re-education camps for Islamic terrorists , being Uighur isn't relevant.

Uh huh,  you just said it was all and I quote: "blatantly fake".  Now all of a sudden it's "only for terrorists"..... who have never been tried and convicted of an actual terroristic crime.  So which is it.  Blatantly fake or actually real.  It cant be both.  Typical commie,  not able to think for one's self and use common sense to come to a common sense conclusion.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 06, 2022, 02:38:47 PM
what's blatantly fake is the idea that there is a genocide and that it's targeted against Uighur people.

what's not fake is re-education schools which are set up for  terrorists, i guess a more humane alternative to torturing them to death like the u.s does in Guantanamo.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghur_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 06, 2022, 02:59:54 PM
Ahh yes,  Gitmo,  the completely legit WARTIME prison set up to imprison PoWs picked up on the battlefields,  not CITIZENS just roaming around in China minding their own business.  You do realize that all of the "torture techniques" were done as a direct result of consultation with...................... THE CHINESE.  Later when these were discovered by US COURTS (not chinese, russian, cuban, or international courts),  they were banned by the US congress & supreme court,  not the Chinese (who still do it).  You know whats even more amusing,  this is actually stipulated in your own link LMFAO.

"A May 2008 report by the Inspector General of the United States Department of Justice claimed that American military interrogators appeared to have collaborated with visiting Chinese officials at Guantánamo Bay to enact sleep deprivation of the Uyghur detainees.[24][25] A bipartisan Senate Armed Services Committee report, released in part in December 2008 and in full in April 2009, concluded that the legal authorization of "Enhanced interrogation techniques" led directly to the abuse and killings of prisoners in US military facilities. Brutal abuse believed to originate in China torture techniques to extract false confessions from American POWs migrated from Guantanamo Bay to Afghanistan, then to Iraq and Abu Ghraib.[26][27]"

So, while the US corrected it's processes,  the Chinese never have and never will.  Why?  Because that's what communism is,  just like this link says:  https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm (https://www.marxists.org/history/erol/ncm-8/cwp-d-of-p.htm) which is a part of the communist handbook born of marxism,  suppress with an iron fist by any means necessary including killing, torture, and "re-education",  quote:  "they can (and must) be remoulded and re-educated"

Another gem,  comes directly from your own wonderful "Lenin".
"In addition to suppressing the exploiters, the dictatorship of the proletariat must also suppress all sorts of bad elements who try to wreck our young socialist society. As Lenin said,

... these elements of disintegration cannot ’reveal themselves’ otherwise than in the increase of crime, hooliganism, corruption, profiteering and outrages of every kind. To put these down requires time and requires an iron hand . . . The misfortune of previous revolutions was that the revolutionary enthusiasm of the people, which sustained them in their state of tension and gave them the strength to suppress ruthlessly the elements of disintegration did not last long. (Lenin. “The Immediate Tasks of the Soviet Government,” Collected Works, Vol. 27)
"

^---  That quote is utterly DISGUSTING to any sane modern upright homo sapien.

This handbook on communism goes on to justify human genocide which is why EVERY communist state to ever have existed has partaken in Human Genocide because Human Genocide is literally one of it's core philosophies.

Keep diggin man,  your hole will soon be deep enough to tunnel through the entire planet so that we can stick a rod through it and call it a candy apple.  You just dont have the intelligence nor common sense to talk or debate anything since you're not capable of seeing facts that are right in front of your face because you're on ideology as stipulated in the Marxist handbook PROHIBITS IT.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 06, 2022, 10:30:00 PM
>Ahh yes,  Gitmo,  the completely legit

stopped reading here
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 07, 2022, 09:25:57 AM
>Ahh yes,  Gitmo,  the completely legit

stopped reading here

Maybe post some actual content with real talking points and references that support your views?
Your not really refuting anything here in this thread, your just saying “your wrong I’m right.”
Or is that too difficult?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 07, 2022, 11:06:58 AM
you have a lot of good advice for yourself. you should take it sometime.
 
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 07, 2022, 12:08:29 PM
He cant do that because nothing would corroborate anything he says since none of it is true or makes any common sense.  He's not capable of thinking for himself because it's literally against his own political philosophy (as evidenced by the writings of Karl Marx himself, the founder of modern communism which I've already posted as evidence to this fact).  Free speech, free will, and free market are the #1, #2, and #3 enemies of communism.  Free speech and Free will are requirements for self thinking.  Without them, one simply cannot think for ones self because the requirements for it are not allowed.  This is why he's not able to think for himself and simply follows & believes whatever Putin says (or any communist leader for that matter since he's just a peon whos sole job is to obey) regardless of whether it makes any sense or not.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 07, 2022, 12:32:06 PM
communism owns and is correct, but what that has to do with modern Russia i don't know.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on April 07, 2022, 06:26:58 PM
communism owns and is correct, but what that has to do with modern Russia i don't know.

Can you site some actual articles and facts from the 21st century proving this point? Or are we to simply take your word for it?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 07, 2022, 07:42:05 PM
communism owns ME
Fixed it for you
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on April 08, 2022, 08:25:55 PM
curious if Russians are hearing this story, and if they are what angle is the Russian media taking other than "It was not us."



Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 09, 2022, 12:44:14 PM
Whatever it was,  youtube decided it needed to censor facts.  Youtube is just as bad as russian state media when it comes to censoring things that it doesnt agree with.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on April 09, 2022, 01:23:10 PM
The train station bomb that killed like 50 Ukraine citizens.

Is Russia media talking about it? If so what are they saying about it?

 They're denying they dropped the bomb on Western Media.

Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 09, 2022, 02:31:39 PM
are you talking about the incident with the Tochka-U missile, a missile Ukraine is known to use? In a region Ukraine is regularly known for shelling since the Donbas war began?

seems a bit absurd to think it was Russia, but media hysteria won't accept the idea of Ukraine committing war crimes. And that's the danger of this insane anti-Russian hysteria, it allows Ukraine to get away with this.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 09, 2022, 04:10:13 PM
I look at it like this.  Had the Russians not invaded,  this attack would have never taken place.  Therefore,  the Russians are to blame.  Period.  Regardless of who fired what, where, and when.  BOTH sides use these SOVIET made missiles.  However,  there is currently only video of the Russians using them.  Both sides have confirmed that it was 2 Tochka-U missiles which rules out the idea that it was unintended.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 09, 2022, 04:14:41 PM
makes sense if you're a dumb guy that thinks Putin woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine for no particular reason or provocation.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 09, 2022, 04:54:16 PM
makes sense if you're a dumb guy that thinks Putin woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine for no particular reason or provocation.

Which is exactly what he did.  Sucks to have history and facts not fit with your agenda doesnt it.  Putin's plan all along has been and will always be to regain all the land that was previously considered "USSR" even if said lands dont want to be a part of his insane plans as has been seen by the Russians getting their ass kicked all over Ukraine,  up one side and down the other.  Its pretty embarrassing to have your ass handed to you by a bunch of farmers with tractors and college spring breakers with their used beer bottles.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on April 09, 2022, 08:09:18 PM
makes sense if you're a dumb guy that thinks Putin woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine for no particular reason or provocation.

Which is exactly what he did.  Sucks to have history and facts not fit with your agenda doesnt it.  Putin's plan all along has been and will always be to regain all the land that was previously considered "USSR" even if said lands dont want to be a part of his insane plans as has been seen by the Russians getting their ass kicked all over Ukraine,  up one side and down the other.  Its pretty embarrassing to have your ass handed to you by a bunch of farmers with tractors and college spring breakers with their used beer bottles.



nope, that's not Putin's intentions you dumbfuck. He has no "insane plans", he wants Ukraine to stop being a u.s puppet state and a threat  to Russian security, quite simply. He doesn't give a fuck about taking all of Ukraine, that was never in the plans... but now , Donbas is Russia forever, such as Crimea. Ukraine has only themselves to blame.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on April 10, 2022, 05:03:11 PM
Is Russia media talking about it? If so what are they saying about it?
The Russian media say that it was another provocation, the same as in Bucha, only even more rude and sloppy:
1. Tochka-U is not being used by Russian troops, but is used by Ukrainian ones.
2. Tochka-U hit from the side of the Ukrainian troops. This can be judged by the location of the debris.
3. The serial number preserved on the side of the rocket reveals its Ukrainian origin. And that serial number was photographed by Western journalists to let people know the truth.

In general, for the last week, the Russian authorities have been saying almost every day that the Ukrainians are going to arrange one or another provocation with the massacre of the civilian population, the purpose of which is to shift the blame to Russia.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on April 10, 2022, 05:26:17 PM
The general concept of the Russian government:
Ukrainian Nazis consider Eastern Ukrainians to be second-class people, they hide behind civilians as human shields, they put their military equipment in kindergartens and hospitals so that the Russians cannot shoot at them, they kill civilians to pass it off as Russian aggression.
The Nazis also said they would not abide by the Geneva Convention on the Treatment of Prisoners of War, they tortured them. They use cluster bombs, place mines insecurely fixed in the sea, which is prohibited by all international agreements.
And much of this they do under the guidance of NATO instructors.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 11, 2022, 11:20:30 AM
3. The serial number preserved on the side of the rocket reveals its Ukrainian origin. And that serial number was photographed by Western journalists to let people know the truth.

This one seems like it could be verified.  Where is the journalist's article who posted these?

HOWEVER,  I could see the defense saying that the missiles were stolen and fired at civilians for the purpose of placing blame on the other party.  If I were a general with absolutely NO conscience at all and I got ahold of serialized weapons,  you can bet your ass I'd do the most terroristic things with it if it gave me some sort of advantage (which putting fear in people does have as far as war is concerned) because it would be easy to place blame on the other side simply by saying "See look, serials match those of the opponent, it wasnt us!".  Again,  if Russia hadnt invaded,  none of this would even matter.  Therefore I stick by the opinion that ALL of it is Russia's fault regardless of who does what, when, where, and why.  As the old saying goes,  All is fair in Love AND in War.

The rest of it is obvious government propaganda garbage that simply cant be verified by 3rd parties,  likely because it's completely untrue (which is common for govt propaganda anyway)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on April 11, 2022, 10:14:45 PM
This one seems like it could be verified.  Where is the journalist's article who posted these?
No idea. All I know is that some Western journalists took pictures of it.
I don't know if they have already written this article or not.
I saw this serial number in Russian telegram channels...

If I were a general with absolutely NO conscience at all and I got ahold of serialized weapons,  you can bet your ass I'd do the most terroristic things with it if it gave me some sort of advantage (which putting fear in people does have as far as war is concerned) because it would be easy to place blame on the other side simply by saying "See look, serials match those of the opponent, it wasnt us!".
This is also one more argument:
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2. Tochka-U hit from the side of the Ukrainian troops. This can be judged by the location of the debris.
Although I have no idea how to check the serial number or flight direction. This can probably be easily verified if you have some experience.

I would also say that such provocations are not good for Russia, since Russia is very weak in the information war.

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putting fear in people does have as far as war is concerned
I think the result would not be instilling fear, but embittering the enemy.
The media regularly reports on the brutal killings of civilians by the Ukrainian military, this only leads to a desire to quickly rid the world of this threat of Ukrainian Nazism.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on April 11, 2022, 10:59:55 PM
Although I have no idea how to check the serial number or flight direction. This can probably be easily verified if you have some experience.

For missiles, you really cant judge origin location all that much because they do not fly in straight lines like a bullet where trajectory can be calculated.  Even these dumb missiles such as the Tochka-U fly in irregular paths.  It's not that they dont have navigation,  it's that their navigation is terrible (very outdated) and often end up in places they were not intended.  A bullet doesnt have a navigation system at all.  It flies in a more or less straight and very calculable path based on bullet weight,  wind conditions,  etc.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on May 01, 2022, 08:29:32 PM
finland and sweeden likely joining Nato.

China likely invading Taiwan soon.

World War 3 is looking pretty 50/50 to me at this point.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on May 02, 2022, 07:39:11 AM
If China invades Taiwan, the United States will have a much more direct form of retaliation, whereas one could make the argument their retaliation against Russia is more indirect
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on May 02, 2022, 05:21:44 PM
If China invades Taiwan, the United States will have a much more direct form of retaliation, whereas one could make the argument their retaliation against Russia is more indirect

If China invade Taiwan we bringing TWN-Cancel to the states.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: {Lance} on May 03, 2022, 11:23:46 AM
China will invade Taiwan.  It's no longer a question of if,  it's a question of when.  It'll certainly be during the tenure of a leftist president.  That's about the best guestimate we can do right now since it's obviously clear which side of the isle is easier to bully around as has been proven in recent history (obama and now slow Lie-den).
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Warbux on August 16, 2022, 08:56:29 AM
i dont think ww3 with china us or russia will happen yet... there waiting on a few more technical advances i see this happening in this decade tho maybe around or right befor 2030.. but i do see proxy wars ramping up until then
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: iL on September 30, 2022, 06:29:07 PM
A big political event happened in Russia today.
Appreciate the rhetoric, I never heard that before from Putin:

Vladimir Putin Illegal Annexation FULL Speech and Ceremony - ENGLISH Sept 30th, 2022
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tora is a simp bitch for billionaires on October 01, 2022, 11:46:42 PM
very good speech, i couldn't find it on youtube, had to use odysee, because western mainstream dog media eliminates all free speech.

the title appears to be nonsense though, calling it an "illegal annexation"  :rofl: :rofl:
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on October 03, 2022, 05:20:22 PM
Rumble FTW
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on October 11, 2022, 11:16:22 AM
Ww3 less than 12 months out I think.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: ~ToRa~ on October 14, 2022, 08:11:58 PM
who will fight? I nominate Jon to fight in the war and Idc which side he fights on.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: aLfReD on April 27, 2023, 02:57:42 PM
Are the parks still nice?

What does man on tv say?

Where is Cbuh?
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on May 15, 2023, 08:52:17 PM
I think nuclear war closer to 60-70% now

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-war-report-leak-rcna84451?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma&taid=6462cb0a5571eb000186854c (https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/zelenskyy-ukraine-russia-war-report-leak-rcna84451?cid=sm_npd_ms_tw_ma&taid=6462cb0a5571eb000186854c)
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: aLfReD on June 24, 2023, 11:13:12 AM
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on June 24, 2023, 12:50:59 PM
The CIA appears to have infiltrated the Wagner group.

Russia is falling.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on June 24, 2023, 03:17:10 PM
CIA report is likely accurate.

Russia has not yet fallen though. Likely lots of Ukrainian blood to be spilled in near term to prove Putins strength
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on June 26, 2023, 03:42:18 AM
please TK stop writing anything, you are not good in that
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on June 26, 2023, 05:55:49 AM
Dumb polish siding with immoral west.

You know we trying to let kids have sex change surgeries?

Western influence = Satan influence.

Pray for Putin.
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: Szwagier on June 26, 2023, 10:18:19 AM
please TK stop writing anything, you are not good in that
Title: Re: ATTN Russians
Post by: tk[as] on June 27, 2023, 10:32:04 AM
U8 want Poland to sexualize kids like u s a

Pedophile