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General Discussion / Re: ATTN Russians
« on: March 02, 2022, 07:29:09 PM »
At least russians feels NATO like a hostile block.
And looks like they have reasons to think so...
And looks like they have reasons to think so...
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Get those 3 main requirements fulfilled and possible entry into Nato increases substantially. Do I think Russia will ever be a part of Nato? No, not in my lifetime but it's a possibility if the people want it bad enough.Putin told in one of his speech: a country should not solve security problems at the expense of other countries. (One of NATO principals).
I have seen videos of interviews with captured PoWs and based on their physical appearance, it almost looks like they are 15-18yrs old.Official russian meda says these are ukrainian fakes.
Interesting question about the Military requirement. Here it's called the Draft, in other places it's called Conscription and I believe Russia's military is at least 50% conscripts, if not more. Compare that to the US where the military is 100% volunteer. Volunteers always fight harder than Conscripts. IMO Ukraine should not have banned all males 18-60 from fleeing. They should have said if you want to run like a pussy, then run, because you'd be a waste of bullets anyway. Kind of like in War2 when you ally a noob who is a complete waste and would actually be better if they werent in the game at all because they are wasting a mine you could be using yourself.Our official media says there's no conscripts used in this operation. I'm inclined to believe, because of your arguments. Putin is not an idiot, he understands that much better than me and you.
Yes we do.That is sad, then many good people will die if i understand that properly from my side...
Even if our army will loss Russia cannot control this land. I think more than 90% of Ukrainian hate Russia now. Just imagine, you are still afraid of UPA (Bandera). Now all the Ukraine will be UPA.Yes, i mean army here. If russian army win, they will probably set president loyal to Russia. They will not allow nuclear weapon/probably any weapon and army for Ukraine. They will not allow integration to NATO.
Or maybe you think someone from Moscow will decide which TV-channels we can watch what books we can read and what songs we can sing?
Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il. What happened with all of you?Completely different informaion from media i think.
Yes, you were going to take Kyiv in two day. And before yesterday you had 1 soldier killed. Today 500. Do you still trust them? See above: "Previously I thought that you are quite smart guy, Il."Partially. I think they embellish reality as happens in any war.
Sanctions... All your country is nothing now. You are kicked off all the sport organization, all the culture and scientific events.Yes, looks scary a bit. Especially economic sanctions. Ruble drops down from 80 to 100 one day, government trying to hold it as possible, supply chains are being broken.
You always "understand" all the position. So, answer me to my question.Yes, personally i'd prefer to buy note that i'm sick or w/e like that. Not because i'm afraid, but because i don't want to kill fraternal people.
Tomorrow you will be taken to army. What will you do? Buy doctor's note that you are sick? What if you cannot? Will take a gun and visit Lviv to kill us?
This is your "truth"?
Interesting, so this is essentially the same type of group that the Russians have (chechen "Special Purpose Military Units"), extremists that go over the top with brutality and cruelty.Yes, exactly,
I have hope that the Ukraine citizens will drag out taking of Kiev for a very long time but I agree, eventually, it's going to crumble. If it cant be taken without minimal loss of civilians (which appears to have at least been attempted), he's simply going to carpet bomb the place, level it into the stone age and then there will literally be nothing left. Is that a victory? In his eyes, yes.Official media in Russia tells (also Putin set the same task) that russian army use pinpoint strikes to military objects, they don't use aviation or weapons of mass destruction against cities and even against enemies soldiers. Only military objects. They also don't destruct brigdes, communication channels, etc.
but I am curious, how exactly is he going to "De-Nazify" a population/government that has no Nazis in it?That is a good question. There are different assumptions, but nobody knows definitely. We just have to hope and believe Putin has a plan
I tell you what Ukraine does have a lot of that needs to be cleaned up though, oligarch corruption. It's just as bad if not worse than Russia itself.Putin said nothing about "decorrution". Only about "denazification and demilitarization"
Hoping this all calmly de-escalates.. but stilll trying to calculate all possibilities.My thoughts:
im starting to question whether putin will succeed or not.As i see here: everybody is sure he will win against Ukraine.
media in U.S. seems to say "entire world against putin right now"Yes, the entire western world. China actively abstains, possibly they will help Russia. Other asian countries also wait.
might be fake news. very well could be... U.S. media makes it sound like most russians against Putin right now.Many russians dislike Putin's activity against Ukraine, many people applaud him.
but if it's even remotely true... Putin is going to have 2 options: 1) continue with mission and risk economic collapse or militaristic retaliation from western nations (i think economic collapse is possible. western retaliation unlikely) .. or 2) turn around and appear weak.Nobody trust he will turn around. That would be absolute stupidity. We ALREADY got all the sanctions. Putin said all the risks are calculated. We have nothing but hope and believe that.
Right now Ukraine is trying to fast track its way into NATO it sounds. If that happens, Russia will be invading a NATO country... and he will have almost no choice but to retreat... or risk a war that will most likely escalate to nuclear magnitude.If NATO will take Ukraine now, that will be absolute stupidity. Putin will not stop as he ALREADY attacks Ukraine, so NATO will have to choose: to attack Russia and turn the world to WW3 or to not help Ukraine and shows weakness.
I'll put it like this, if someone is caught going against the state (either protesting in the streets or disparaging them in a public forum such as this), it's literally a minimum of 10yrs in prison. So I'm not surprised that the Russian members are quiet on this.As we can see on TV, if someone is protesting in the streets as part of the group, he will go to police and then will go home in 12-48 hours.
Lol, no one is intervening here, so Russia will most likely successfully oust the sitting ukrainian government in the coming days.Yes, most russians, same as even most ukrainians have the same thoughts.
you think russians all hate this war?Some russians hate it, some other enjoy it.
I am curious how the average Russian feels about this.There are different opinions in Russia about that.
Do they support putin. Are they against the invasion of ukraine?
.. or is Russia so oppressive that it is not safe for anybody to speak freely on the issue if they do not support putin?
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